You know the video's serious when LPL doesn't bother picking it twice to make sure it wasn't a fluke and instead just spends the remaining time shaming Honeywell.
@@bloodstoneore4630 when you license your name, you agree to use your reputation to sell it, so it's all on honeywell. And we know what happened. They wanted easy money, so they licensed it to a Chnese product. I can't wait until it costs companies too much money to operate in China.
I’d like to see an “LPL Approved” series of videos where he shows decent products in a given product category. Like in this example, we’ve seen him take down numerous crappy safes but what would be a decent safe for home use that he could recommend?
As a lawyer, he said he wouldn't do a "recommended" kind of series because people might sue him for advertsising something that failed to protect their goods
Well, he once talked about a bike lock that he used on the cheaper of his bikes. That costs about half of the bike itself. The nicer bike? He just never leaves it anywhere. Because no convenient bike lock is secure enough, and no secure enough lock is convenient enough. And in the comments of that video people told stories of how their bikes got stolen WITH the thing they were attached to. Fences, for example.
@@polyacov_yury I also remember seeing a video that came from a security camera where a bike thief found a nice bike with a lock he couldn't defeat. The thief bent the rims of both tires in retaliation.
@@InformatrIIcks That's an invalid argument in so many ways. As if people could sue a random Joe let alone a company for basic advertisement of something they mistakenly thought was a pristine product. This logic translates to any recommendation of anything, since anything can end up hurting people, eg. recommend a shovel and people can trip over it. Recommending something doesn't constitute a contract of responsibility to cover for any undesirable occurrence as a result (and if it did, that's what disclaimers are for). This broken logic could further translate to being able to sue for something negative not happening, eg. my running shoes did not break my ancles like I had intended. It's just lunacy. If this was true nobody advertise or recommend anything.
You usually get what you pay for there, there are quality tools mixed in with the junk, some of which are better designed and built than most name brand tools. Don't buy anything made of cast iron from there, especially if its blue, and if its too cheap to be legit, its not
He could always go the way of awards shows "and the winnner is........................". Or in his case "the tool we'll use to open this lock is.........................................a piece of string!"
This is so like the Network Security world. Big companies buying up shit to re-brand it and not knowing a damn thing about it. Slap a security term on the product and charge the shit out of customers.
@@MrFester Oh wait, that sounds like.... VPNs :o I always find it funny that every VPN company's first argument is security while it barely provides any more security than your standard internet provider :'')
Never gonna happen. Much like Master Lock, LPL is ignored because they've made the determination that the massive majority of their product buyers will never look for, or see an LPL video.
Yeah sure they will stop taking money from people for a product that doubles in price just cause they put logo on.... Cause that's how they will make more money. Sure
Excellent type of safe to open. I been wondering about this type of safe/lock for some time. Always enjoy your topic quality videos and hearing your very professional voice.
@Ad Lockhorst even then, a lot of companies produce the shoddiest possible product in their core industries, under their own names, and wonder why they can't keep customers.
@@westcoaststacker569 Hey, leave me out of this! 🤬 However, I do agree. What's worse is that products are actually engineered to fail (Dyson puts a lot of R&D into this), as do most electric companies. Plus, the people making the decision to cut quality don't care as they probably be long gone and cashed out their options before the company implodes. So they're driven to maximise profits over EVERYTHING.
Just watched this video getting dressed for a bike ride. Knowing I will not want to get my new shower caddy set up after biking, I went to cut the little zip ties and two of them were on so tight I couldnt get scissors under. So I thought, well, these should be shimmable if I can find a tiny rigid... Cheap button on the table with a sharp pin clasp from an event... If I rotate the zip tie as far as it will go to apply a little tension and try to peel the gripper back... It will slide a little bit open and the scissors are in! Thanks LPL!
I used to have a safe similar. I found out if you hit the top of it while putting tension on the handle, it would open. It was easier to do if you bounce it a little on a mattress.
I use the top of the lid of a thin Crayola marker for that sorta lock. Fits nicely and available in many colors and smells. In 1992 I had a nice mountain bike secured with what was at the time the best of the best bike lock ( kryptonite U bolt thing ). The bike was taken from my deck, the lock was left open where the bike had been, and a black marker lid left beside it.
@@Kittyreaper And? Your point being? Do you think a company as big as Amazon isn't capable of researching whether the products they "choose" are good or bad? No. They choose profit margins over quality products. Because shoddy products break, and then you have to buy another, from Amazon, of course.
@@bLackmarketRadio No, I never thought that and I agree with what you said. I'm simply saying the two examples aren't at all parallel, so I found it a poor comparison.
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These safes are amazing! I put one in every room of my house, and when people come to rob me, they are none the wiser that i hide my keys under the couch.
that might actualy work a safe in every room and be sure to fill them with lead bars then they have no idea which one has the gold just need a safe slightly better then this say to keep them out for at least a min or two
Yeah, safes everywhere, but the diamonds are hidden in a particular ceramic cat in the basement. GOOD LUCK BUDDY. Only way you're getting the loot is by systematically cleaning the house and that hasn't been done in decades.
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Try bouncing it on the couch and turning the knob at the moment of highest G. A friend has a safe that looks strikingly similar, but a different brand. He forgot his combination and this is how we opened it. They used a simple solenoid to actuate the lock, and bouncing it on the couch (or hitting it with a mallet) is enough to make the solenoid move.
I worked for Honeywell, or rather Moneywell as I used (and still) like to call them, and you're absolutely right. Money rules. They will sell you junk and laugh about it. One instance I recall, a thermostat had a nasty habit or becoming the heating element (e.g. caught fire). They recalled them, created a new model number with lower rating specs and put them back on the shelves. Problem solved, minimum money wasted. I wouldn't buy anything branded Honeywell.
If I have learned anything from this channel, it is that finding a good (small) safe that will actually keep your items secure is harder than finding the gold at the end of a rainbow.
I used to work at Harbor Freight around a decade ago. Back then they sold this exact same safe with a different brand name badge on it. LPL, you should check if the old flaw still exists that I found in the models from 10 years ago. With the old one, you could turn the whole safe upside down, drop it from about an inch off the table and turn the lock just as it struck the tabletop and it would open w/o any key or picking at all.
I bought that exact same safe and along with it was my trust in Honeywell going down the drain. I believe this is not the only video where this exact same safe was shown to be excessively "unsafe". There are 2 holes on the bottom of this safe where you can jimmy a screwdriver to open the internal locking mechanism.
@@michaelesposito2629 by saying "key", I mean the pass code and the technique prescribed by Honeywell to open. By saying "without the key" I mean using other techniques other than what is prescribed by Honeywell.
Swapnil Vengurlekar Yeah. I obviously know what you mean. Except, once again, you still need a tool. And your joke falls even flatter, because a key would take just as little time as the tool.
Bravo! I'm so glad to see you tear down companies that rest on their laurels. I won't buy any Honeywell product now knowing they put their 'good name' on such trash. Hope those extra bucks were worth it.
An interesting project for those with time and skill: A web page that separates all the various videos of lock picking done on this channel by types of locks or devices. Could be interesting to see it in such a format
@starshipeleven you want to bring back the mentality to buy quality, if you tariff the shit out of china its economy will crumble, and most manufacturing will go back to usa, will raise jobs and income in america, will bring back quality products in america. will remove the shithole mentality in america
I'm just curious about something: have companies ever threatened you (Lawsuit or otherwise) for exposing their somewhat questionable products? As I said, just being curious. I love your channel. Thank you
The company who went closest to taking up a fight with LPL was Ottolocks. They claimed LPL manipulates the videos to make it appear as though the locks were unreliable.
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Pretty sure a small piece of semi rigid wire inserted into an opening by the key cylinder or behind the keypad can also be used to push the magnetic bolt that prevents the knob from turning if you don't have they tube cylinder tool. That's all the key does anyway, push that bolt down.
I have a stack-on safe of similar design but slightly larger. I got it used with no keys and when the batteries died in it once all I had to do was use my fist to smack it hard on the top while turning the handle and it opened after two "thumps" lol. I only keep spare car keys and low priority items in it that I don't want my son to have easy access to. Otherwise I've got a nice Liberty rifle safe for valuables.
Honeywell’s stocks were just wiped out in a few seconds... not because of the LPL’s scathing review. It is because they kept their stocks in one of their safes 😁
I am starting to become convinced that the only way to get a true security product is to buy one and modify it. For instance with this safe, you would be better off putting your valuables in it and welding the mechanical key mechanism to where it no longer works so you must have the combination or never gain entry without tools to completely demolish the safe itself.
@@tuanoful That's rough. Yeah, he didn't seem to address the main locking mechanism so maybe it will be fine if you can disable the mechanical mechanism.
This is the LPL, and one of the strongest points of this box is how easy it is to upgrade it's security. After putting my valuables in here, my cat picked it open and decided to take a nap in it, massively upgrading the security. This new feature does however come with a few exploits. With several pieces of cat food, I can easily bypass this second layer of security. Another low-skill attack is simply to use a laser pointer or to jiggle this piece of string, luring it out and leaving you with only the original 'security' features. In short, I wouldn't recommend it if you want anything more than the appearance of security.
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