@@leexgx Is it $500? Because that's what the locks with integrated GPS trackers cost. On the plus side, you'll get (superior) Medeco keyway and keys with it.
I own one of these locks. I have it mounted on an automatic garage door. After getting my garage door broken into several times I finally found a padlock that nobody can pick. They might cut it off but they aren't going to pick it or bump it. I paid 225 for my lock and it's not brass I had it shipped from Bowley Lock Company in Canada to Georgia, U.S.A. It took me a while to learn how to unlock it with the key but once you get used to it it's as easy as any other lock. That key is not going to bend or break in your pocket. There is nothing made cheap about this lock. That key is stainless Steele. I love my padlock.
Does the key ever snag anything? I wear my keys on my belt loop, and I could definitely see that key ruining a sweater, catching a nylon strap, or snagging on other things. Has that been a problem?
@@ectoa5093 well, he apparently did try to pick a one-sided bowley core ( 636 ) and failed, so I guess it's fair that he didn't attempt to pick the two.sided one
I love that despite all the warding and the idler making both tensioning and picking monumentally difficult, they still took the time to make security pins in there. It almost feels unsporting at that pont, like adding a fourth phase to the boss fight.
Uhhhh- Well, “difficult”. I think it’s basically impossible if you only use traditional to modern methods. You’d need a picking tool that’s shaped like that specific key to even have a chance to get to the pins. Amazing craftsmanship to make such a lock. I hope they can make similar locks, more compact, maybe cheaper.
It's because the cost difference between standard and security pins is so marginal that when you're making a lock the costs well north of $100 not adding security pins is just disrespectful to the customers at that point (this is realistically the case at any lock over $20 but that's besides the point)
I figure at some point putting more tines into the key will make the metal shroud less effective since you now only have to reach around 45 degrees rather than a full 180 with the original lock.
Because he is being pro company and looks more like an ad, he could be harsh about it like the brass is so soft, easily cut with a 10$ powered reciprocal saw
@@shable1436 they make a steal one, and sure lol, try that, be my guest, you'd be there screaming away for 3 mins. HEY, HI, IM STEALING YOU SHIT! And of course he's pro company, he's a lock geek, this is the first real advance in mechanical lock tech in out lifetime, this lock is a big fucking deal. Looks like your down 18::1 on your opinion as well, yikes.
Another selling point: the key looks like an ancient artifact straight from an Indiana Jones movie. It'll probably unlock an ancient door under the Eiffel tower leading to the chamber of the Forgotten Kings that contains the real Mona Lisa.
I watch this channel, and I don't care about locks. I watch "Forgotten Weapons", and I _really_ don't care about guns. I just enjoy mechanisms, and skilled people explaining them to dumb-me :-)
They gave him the smaller door lock before thus and he went down the list of picking method and why they wouldn't work. Bowley is the gold standard of unpickable
Customer: "Hey Mr. Banker, why do you have two separate safe doors, side-by-side on your vault?" Mr. Banker: "The first one had a Bowley lock and we lost the keys. It was the easiest solution..."
@@georgiykireev9678 Sufficient brute force will destroy ANY lock. Think diamond drill or plasma cutter. The point of the lock is to make you use brute force.
Ever see the episode of The Andy Griffith Show where they forget the combination to the safe so they install a screen door in the alley to get in? Hilarious.
@@DavidFMayerPhD personally, i'd go for a sledgehammer... if you hit it downwards, you're only fighting 2 parts, depending on what they use to lock the loop in place, it could be easier than cutting the loop or drilling the body
The only additional protection this adds over regular locks is the 0.000000001% of people who could possible pick it. Better off buying a $30 padlock 🔐
@@TheNuclearBolton I'm a fairly recent lockpicker myself and many cheap padlocks like that don't really require much skill as far as I'm aware of. It usually requires tools tho. There are rake-able locks in that price range. I even showed a co-worker who has never done it before and she picked up a lock in a couple of minutes, first try
@@Shuffle_Gaming yeah especially i work as a Landscaper and we secure our (wooden) tool chests with padlocks if someone really would want our tool they would break the chest or attack literally anything else. locks are honestly only there to keep people from casually stealing your shit. if someone wants to steal your stuff they will find a way
Thing is, this wouldn't be an original concept and he wanted to try and approach the project with no prior knowledge of locks. It's what made his original locks actually very impressive and difficult to pick (lpl didn't actually pick any of them he just exploited other weaknesses which are more easily removed)
@@terrorhuhn9192 Yeah, you could build a very specialized tool that could open this easy. I have some ideas about the design. But such a tool would never be proliferated beyond a handful of ethical enthusiasts with a high degree of manufacturing capability who would never try to pick a lock they didn't own themselves. It would never have a commercial market, so they'd have to be custom made by said enthusiasts, and even if the plans were made available publicly, no criminal would spend the time and money to custom build their own for a lock they're probably never going to see in the real world anyway. The threat model becomes a state actor with an unlimited budget and they're probably not targeting you unless you're doing something very illegal or very unusual. And that that point, what is the chances for a sneak-and-peek over more kinetic alternatives by some tier 1 types at 3 AM ending with you in a head bag or body bag? If they wanted to do a sneak-and-peek, I'm sure they could always just destroy the lock, replace it with an identical one, and you wouldn't know the difference anyway. Heck, they could replace your whole door. They'd get things down even to the scuff marks and paint chips. Is there a weaker part in your security, such inadequate intrusion detection? A lock this good is only good for forcing a destructive entry so you can file a police report and insurance claims. Or, for simple enjoyment by lock nerds who like knowing they have one of the most secure locks on the market. I would say the latter is the majority of Bowley's current customer base.
Stuff made a similar concept where the pins weren't accessible to picking, although he used a different method to achieve that. It was actually quite a good design. He didn't know enough about bypass methods to guard for them though so that's how lpl got through it. With some tweaks it would be a good lock.
when I found this channel I were wondering if there was a lock he couldn't (or at least wouldn't try to) lockpick, and now I found a video. I feel like I have just experienced the satisfaction of scratching an itch I didn't even know I had.
Also Bowley: And ya know what, add a spool pin and serrated pin just in case somebody manages to get a pick in there, just to make it that much harder.
@@majan6267 And 500€ is not even a lot for a bike. You can easily spend thousands for a bike. Now put in some E-bike components and you are looking at a 3000-5000€ bike if you want premium everything.
I think it's the first time I've heard LPL give a compliment to a lock. The engineering on this thing is awe inspiring. I'm a mechanic and this is so interesting to me!
I own a Bowley 543 in hardened Stainless and I can say after 2 years outdoors in the Pacific Northwest with once weekly use, it still looks as good as the day I bought it. Beautifully made product and as LPL says, the key is much more robust than it appears. Great conversation piece for many people, lock nerds, machinists, people in high theft areas...
11mm shackle! Awesome as it means it will work in most self storage units. What people don't realize is that if a lock can be picked leaving no signs, your insurance won't pay. Forced entry will be required to bypass this. This lock defeats storage places with rotten employees or managers.
I didn't think of that. It'll at least make it less of an easy target than someone else's storage. Motion sensors that "phone home" are probably better, though.
@@ChickenPermissionOG that is absolutly correct. Without any sign of damage on lock insurance company won't pay you. Luckilly thiefs know that and usually make sure there are visible scratches (made after succesful lock picking) just so your insurance company pays you. What is the source of that? Thiefs who got caught tella the police and that part of information (after the case is closed) is not secret so they told to tv/news reporters.
@@ChickenPermissionOG Why doubt it? You think insurance will pay without an investigation? Claim are rejected if there's no clear proof. Insurance companies are businesses not charity.
yeah tough luck 'cos if you're going to steal a bike you're more likely to come prepared with lock breaking tools, and breaking a chain with a ramset sounds pretty impossible to me.
I think that Bowley's willingness to let LPL disassemble their lock on video speaks to the excellence of the design. Whats really smart about it is if you were to invent a pick for this, it would somehow have to be able to push in, then BACK DOWN the lock and still be able to push the pins in... and even if you COULD make a pick that complex, the components would be so thin that torsioning the lock would make them snap. It's impeccable engineering.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that this one is probably the closest a lock will ever get to being “pickproof” in a long time. Edit: I’d like to reiterate that I said PICK-proof. A cutting wheel and a blowtorch is not lock picking
The thing is, that this here is a commercially mass produceable lock, while the stuff made here one is so incredibly specific and has so many unreliable parts, that you cant realistically mass produce it
I love technology like this. Fascinating the amount of science and tech that goes into creating a mechanical device. That said if that was a key you had on your keyring, it looks like those two "hooks" might snag on everything... clothing, etc.
The elegance of this lock really puts me in a good mood about human beings in general. Also, thanks for keeping your channel and videos simple: no music, no swirling logos, just the good stuff.
Thanks to you, if I ever need a secure lock I will consider Bowley locks. Because they're just genius! Make the lock pick proof by adding in a mechanism where only the key can get access to the pins? Brilliant!
@@sarasotauptoseattle Were those two locks ones where you just put something inside and jiggle it around and it opens? So basically were they Master Locks?
@@hulksmash3429 No. They were combination padlocks. I didn't use any tools. I just put tension on the shackles and moved the dials until I felt them set, then "Presto".
@@Cailloumax That generates noise, and noise brings unwanted attention. Running around with tools big enough to break through this giant thing also attract some attention.
@@BMikeAD actually good point. in a workshop I know of in canada, the main measure is inches, so American machinery can be used. which makes sense for a machined lock...
j Walster that’s not the reason we use imperial. Canada is not fully metric due to our roots being tied to the UK (before they were metric) and our close proximity to the US so when they began the conversion to metric in the 70’s there was a lot of resistance so it’s a big mish mash of both. We use kilometres instead of miles and litres instead of gallons at gas stations but when talking about length and weight, we usually use feet/inches and pounds. Height, weight, how much you bench, the length of a room, size of your tv, length of a piece of lumber or a pool, etc. We use mainly imperial in government documents, even our height is listed in centimetres on our drivers licences but in everyday life we use imperial for height and weight.
He said in the video he’d need to make a custom tool to pick it so it’s probably a lot of work to make a tool that’d only be usable on a very specific lock.
@@caster269 I think the u-shape pick also needs to be pin-specific because of the pin shield. You cannot pick all the pins with the same lenght tool. If there's a key, sure it's pickable, but I guess this would need 5 to 9 custom single picks and a lot of time.
I started lock picking recently thanks to this channel. And I have found a lot of joy in this hobby. That being said, I've never had a nerd gasm like I have after seeing this lock.
the lock is only like 150$ about. Its expensive but its not crazy expensive for a high security lock. You use this for applications where the thing youre protecting is worth far more than 150$, maybe something like a storage unit or shed, where the tools and materials you have inside are far more valuable.
@@jeffperron3915 its not, its just the internet, you can never tell when people are being sarcastic or not without things like voice infliction or facial reactions. Youd be surprised at the number of people on here who actually think dumb things that youd expect were sarcastic.
Never thought i'd find these videos so enjoyedable but damn the random lock facts and the excitement watching you pick it hoping you fail but knowing you're going to open it everytime is a thrill.
Oh, I finally understood what he meant by "You will dump a lot of pins" in regards to disassembling it while it's unlocked. The actuator goes in a hole that is just big enough for the ball bearings to fit through, so when the lock is unlocked, the ball bearings are stuck to the magnet of the actuatory and if you try to pull out the locking mechanism, the lock will gut itself because you're effectively pull the bible off the core, which is being held inside the lock body by the bearings. If the lock is locked, the bearings are out of the way and stay inside the lock nody while you pull out the mechanism
Such a beautifully designed piece of work and without a keen eye the likelihood of someone breaking into it is just so minimal that you would not even have to worry.
This may be one of my favourite LPL videos just because you can tell how excited he is to be playing with a new toy :) Always fun watching him tear apart a terrible lock, but seeing this is definitely a highlight too.
@@Chetanarora2308 what? i cant hear you, i have my airpods in. also not sure if you're joking about it or not, but wireless in-ear headphones have been a thing for a while and apples suck just as much as the rest
That is why the keyring goes into ur left pocket and ur phone WITH the headphones I to the right pocket of ur pants. This way it can be easily avoided and wouldnt even have to shed 2 brain cells to come up with that idea.
Dude your voice is top-tier ASMR material. I love just listening to your commentary, I sometimes put you on autoplay for background noise while I'm working on my projects. Keep it up!
I think it would be a good option to have the lock without any company or other identifiers on it. Reason being, might prevent someone from looking up videos on how to pick or otherwise circumvent the lock.
zwz • zdenek Honestly I think it'd be interesting to see if a theif tries and fails and possibly gets caught instead of moving to easier targets to steal from.
I don't think any thief, even unaware of what lock he's facing, would spend more than a minute on this before figuring out that he doesn't stand a chance.
As far as the key goes even if it is strong and won’t break I would honestly worry about it getting fought on something. I wouldn’t mind seeing like a rubber cap or something for the key
The design makes it get caught on stuff such as rubber bands, another Keychain if you have multiple, hair ties if your female and use them, etc. Rubber cap would be great
Those dang ball bearings (that lock the shackle) are a pain in the rear to get back into the lock, lol there fun as the holes in the hole there don't sit right at the bottom. I own a Stainless 543 lock and had a lot of fun getting those back in without the other one falling out lol its fun! Other than that the locks are a absolute beast! Plus like others have said the keys are one of the strongest keys I've ever seen and made totally of solid steel!
@@MrPeelcam hmm... Should a trust a Canadian that they aren't part of a Canadian cult?... IDK... Seems suspicious. Haha I'm just kidding, I have no clue what's going on, I'm just joking around because I'm bored. Side note, go chug some syrup and say sorry to someone for absolutely no reason, this is what comedy media tells me you people do LMAO prove you're a normal Canadian and not a cult follower, cults never apologize. And they are far to bitter to enjoy sweet things like syrup, or so I'd like to assume.
"My name is Tessa. I am seven years old, and I watch your videos and they are so good. You're so good at doing locks." - my daughter and your biggest fan.
I saw the 12 minute video length, and thought, "This one must be very, very difficult to defeat." That appears to be true in this case. Very nice design! Thanks for your fun to watch videos, LPL!
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