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14" vs 16" MacBook Pro 2023 - DO NOT BUY the 14" M2 Max! 

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@MaxTechOfficial
@MaxTechOfficial Год назад
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@gorgonismztruth1551
@gorgonismztruth1551 Год назад
thats dirty that apple is ripping koi the 14" buyer like that sad..
@TBLA-by2nf
@TBLA-by2nf Год назад
Max Tech - Have you had the chance to review the Galaxy Book 3 Pro 360 and if so what do you think of the speakers on that compared to a new mac book pro?
@caldorius
@caldorius Год назад
@@JeanLucConnery no, because both in the test above have faster ssd (1TB), so it’s not limiting any of the machines. I wonder how does 30 cores 14” work compared to 38 in the same tests. I wonder if it is the sweet spot between power and price again..
@jamesstarr7912
@jamesstarr7912 Год назад
Why aren't we using the same charging solution on both if were doing identical tests? They both need to be on usb c or both on magsafe for it to be accurate.
@romanmihalik3002
@romanmihalik3002 Год назад
What are the parameters of the USB charger you have used for 14"?
@seangandy6756
@seangandy6756 Год назад
Honestly the 14" being more portable is handy for a lot of things. While I agree the 16" screen is fantastic, I think the 14" would still suit 95% of what I would want to do
@ZhinoBeamen
@ZhinoBeamen Год назад
I think is more like save up 200 dlls and maybe upgrade de RAM or the SSD if you are going for the 14 “
@Kailan910
@Kailan910 Год назад
totally agree, i'd prefer a 14 size wise.
@JonathanJK
@JonathanJK Год назад
It would be interesting to see a comparison between the high end 14" with the low or mid range as well. That way we know how much faster the Max really is. Some of us could skip the CPU upgrade and save ourselves some cash while still claiming portability.
@kugick
@kugick Год назад
Exactly looking forward for this. I would also probably be more comfortable with the thermals of the M2 Pro, so I'm quite interested!
@nivekverse
@nivekverse Год назад
Am also looking forward to this. Currently holding back on making a purchase.
@sherylkingstone
@sherylkingstone Год назад
I really want a test of 14” pro vs 14” max with same stats. 32gig ram
@phillipprice7472
@phillipprice7472 Год назад
I'd be interested in seeing a performance comparison between the 16" M1 Max and the 14" M2 Max
@frostgodx
@frostgodx Год назад
Finally it’s posted! This is the one I’ve been waiting for. Thank you
@spcysos
@spcysos Год назад
Did you think the 14” was not going to throttle as much? I mean for the $200, this is the obvious choice for power and screen real estate. I love the portability of the 14” but other than that your comment makes me wonder why you were waiting for this video? We’ve all basically known what was going to happen if you’ve watched the other videos about the M2 chips.
@caldorius
@caldorius Год назад
Could You compare 30 and 38 cores? I wonder if it’s sweet spot of 14” again.
@milanstojanov
@milanstojanov Год назад
This!
@TheeeBruiser
@TheeeBruiser Год назад
Still nothing
@rhoderzau
@rhoderzau Год назад
Great testing as always. I don't agree with the outcome though...the 14" M2 Max is still the faster than the 14" M2 Pro for the development due to the memory bandwidth and if you want a 14" form factor and do some gaming, the 14" M2 Max is still going to do better than the 14" M2 Pro
@assyriannuni6
@assyriannuni6 Год назад
nice, the 14 inch is being charged via type c and the 16 inch is MagSafe.. idk if that causes a different in benchmarks
@frostgodx
@frostgodx Год назад
Note: ALL of the temp issues are completely resolved with a simple custom fan curve as apples stock one is extremely lazy. The only real difference at that point is clock speed which will have you see basically a 5% or less difference between the 2. Enough to where most people won’t care. That said the 16” is still much more comfortable with temps on the keyboard in use, still has the better battery by a LOT this year, speakers etc but most people out there still love the 14” through and through because it’s the perfect size for everyday use and the 16” still feels unwieldy. Another thing to note here is that both of these completely destroy the M1 Max 32-core gpu models (even the binned 30-core beats it by a margin) so it’s all gains this year regardless. Just be sure to get TG pro and set better more active fan curves up and your golden. (Anything below 60% fan speed is almost not audible).
@frostgodx
@frostgodx Год назад
@@Arjuna1901 No, if that’s your primary use case you’ll see next to no difference at all.
@akthem84
@akthem84 Год назад
I hope you share with us the video link of the TG pro performance boosts when it is ready
@sanaullah949
@sanaullah949 Год назад
How should we change the fan speed?
@domantasbronusas
@domantasbronusas Год назад
Thanks will try that when receive it. I needed max model for encoders and light gaming when on train or smth (but still need 14 inch i dont care about 16 inch one)
@tc102167
@tc102167 Год назад
Wonder if the store bought 14” max with 30 core instead of 38 core has the same throttling issue? Maybe apple configured it that way as the sweet spot for that size notebook?
@NinjaKiller1022
@NinjaKiller1022 Год назад
This is the video I was waiting for!! I just ended up getting the 16” M2 Max MacBook with 64GB of RAM and 4TB of storage. The great thing is that this video validated my reasoning for getting the 16” over the 14”. I’m super excited to get the computer as I’m upgrading from a 2009 MacBook Pro 13”. 💻 Thanks to MaxTech, for all the help. ❤
@JonathanJK
@JonathanJK Год назад
Damn, that's a sweet upgrade.
@NinjaKiller1022
@NinjaKiller1022 Год назад
@@JonathanJK I know, and my excitement can’t be contained. I was super excited just seeing other people getting their, as well as those that have the M1 versions. It’s going to up my productivity by a long shot.
@BhanuPratap-tt6qj
@BhanuPratap-tt6qj Год назад
Hey friend can you please tell me that how long you got security patch update on your old MacBook pro 13 2009, because I also thinking to purchasing a MacBook but haven't owned yet.
@JonathanJK
@JonathanJK Год назад
@@NinjaKiller1022 I had a 2012 rMBP die on me and went with a 2017 iMac and then bought the M1 Air. That machine was already crazy faster than the iMac, but I upgraded to the M1 Pro for the extra ports and screen. I love this machine and can't imagine the speed boost you're going to get!
@NinjaKiller1022
@NinjaKiller1022 Год назад
@@JonathanJK I was really tempted to get the M1 Max Pro, but decided to hold out just a little longer. I still think the M1 variants are extremely capable. I will definitely update you when I get mine next week.
@Acerdmen
@Acerdmen Год назад
It could be interesting to see what happens if the fan profile is manually modified to be way more aggressive (as you can do with the Mac Fans Control software). I wouldn't be surprised that the type of people that would be running the tasks where these machines throttle, specially the 14", wouldn't mind having the fan noise kicking in harder and sooner. Perhaps maintaining that max speed continuously since the beginning could help out reduce that aggressive throttling, especially in the 14".
@theyehsohz
@theyehsohz Год назад
That's what I said when I got my 15" 3900 desktop cpu laptop, until I can hear it in screaming in the next room over and that's just 3000 rpm but 6300 rpm sounds more like a server
@Acerdmen
@Acerdmen Год назад
@@theyehsohz Fair enough! I was talking from experience using my M1Pro 14", as even when its fans are maxed out, they sound almost as much as my old windows machine being idle.
@theyehsohz
@theyehsohz Год назад
@@Acerdmen dear lord, that sounds awful
@Acerdmen
@Acerdmen Год назад
@@theyehsohz I meant that they are very quiet in the Mac! They sound less when they are maxed out than any high performance windows machine I've used with their fans at min speed. @lukemiani just made a comparison between a maxed out M2 Max 16" and the incredible MSI Rider with the 4090, and he included a brief sound comparison of them when their fans are maxed out. Huge difference in noise levels.
@spetz911
@spetz911 Год назад
I knew that 14 inch is throttling like crazy, but I ordered M1 Pro for work anyway, because I don’t use GPU much. Yesterday I spend a whole day compiling things, but a fan barely spins anyway.
@rvarm21
@rvarm21 Год назад
If you dont use the GPU so much just take the Pro because the CPU performance is the same and just save the money or invest it in more RAM or storage
@ellandill
@ellandill Год назад
@@rvarm21 you have to order max if you want > 32GB ram
@spetz911
@spetz911 Год назад
Sorry, I’ve actually got a base M1 Pro. I think single core performance and memory are still main limitations.
@rvarm21
@rvarm21 Год назад
@@spetz911 maybe you should have upgraded to 10-core M1 Pro but i dont think the performance would be much different compared to the 8-core
@rvarm21
@rvarm21 Год назад
@@ellandill yep thats true
@jamesstarr7912
@jamesstarr7912 Год назад
I feel like them not using the same power source might have something to do with it. If the 14 isn't on magsafe and is on usb the test showing it having a different wattage might actually be due to the fact it's being charged over usb c and not the same as the 16.
@z3thon
@z3thon Год назад
I was thinking the same thing honestly.
@helioguerra9193
@helioguerra9193 Год назад
Me too
@parjau4554
@parjau4554 Год назад
Another highly detailed, information-rich video. You guys are really putting in the hours! Don't know about calming down - it does speak of authenticity! I personally think the 16" is worth a lot more than $200 over the 14" (though both are very expensive). If your main computer is a laptop, 16" is the way to go.
@joesalyers
@joesalyers Год назад
I saw this same sort of results last year. It's the high power mode in the 16 inch that that makes the difference, high power mode isn't available for the 14 inch. At first I thought it was about the fan noise but I was wrong. I saw the same sort of results when I bought the 14 inch M1 Max last year and sent it back to get a 16. The High Power mode option is more than just an aggressive fan curve, it allows the Max chip to get almost 10 more watts of power. That is why the 16 inch comes with a 140 watt power brick vs 96 watt for the 14 inch, this is also relative to the battery capacity as well. So if pure performance is what you are looking for the 16 inch is the very beat options. So the extra cost is more than just screen size its also higher power and better thermals.
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@nicholas9262
@nicholas9262 Год назад
I would configure my 14 inch to M2 Mac BUT only 30 gpu cores instead of 38. 32gb ram and 1tb ssd, and to upgrade from the 67w charger to the 96w charger
@lamelama22
@lamelama22 Год назад
So now I'm curious.... 14" pro vs 14" max w/ same specs otherwise. How much benefit would the max give, if at all? It only ends up being like $200 diff at the higher tiers. 16" not in the cards for me, I don't want a giant laptop.
@domantasbronusas
@domantasbronusas Год назад
Exactly its absolutely useless to buy 12 core 19 as it isnt that different in price of max. Its like cheap gpu core for 170-200 usd. I also read 12 19 and 12 30 is almost same in terms pf throtling, judt that 10 core one is less throtling but then you loose some other good stuff. I think you just have to let fan run faster and that is all
@aclaylambisabirdman6324
@aclaylambisabirdman6324 Год назад
I have the mid tier 14 in and choose it over the 16 in base model due to portability, having a 16 in is like having an additional responsibility everywhere you go, the 14in is like a cool buddy that helps you at work, life, and get the girl.
@quazimoto5241
@quazimoto5241 Год назад
🤣
@familiarjoe7290
@familiarjoe7290 Год назад
100% agreed, the portability makes it a true mobile laptop. Crazy difference from my 2016 16” despite that one being way thinner.
@aclaylambisabirdman6324
@aclaylambisabirdman6324 Год назад
@@familiarjoe7290 totally!
@Epicgamer_Mac
@Epicgamer_Mac Год назад
Yea just play "I like you" by Post Malone and pretend ur showing off the amazing speakers to her 😂😂
@pandareverse
@pandareverse Год назад
Is it the you have the 14" on USB-C for power and the 16" on Magsafe for power? Could that make any difference, especially because the 14" had a hard time to pull power?
@danielnum9564
@danielnum9564 Год назад
I was a bit confused here… was High Power Mode turned on for all the 16" tests? Also, did you guys let the computers cool down between tests? I see the stress test started around 12:11 PM, and the Blender BMW test was performed at 12:35 PM. Considering they were tied in the second Blender test, I was wondering if the 14" was still too warm when you ran the first one.
@ultrakapitalist4882
@ultrakapitalist4882 Год назад
Can anyone tell me something about the throttling thing with the 14" M2 Max with only 30 GPU cores? Same problem? I don't want the 16" because of the mobility. Maybe I am going for the M2 Pro in a 14" if even the smaller M2 Max is throttling because of the heat!
@EuropeanLord
@EuropeanLord Год назад
Good question, I'm wondering how much faster M2 Max 14" is compared to M2 Pro 14". I don't really care if 14" is 20% slower than 16" unless Max 14" is slower than Pro 14" due to throttling then we have a huge problem as it then starts to smell of a scam...
@gauhausdesign
@gauhausdesign Год назад
I would love to see a test of the 16" MacBook Pro M2 Max in closed-clamshell mode. Does it make a difference in heat and thermal throttling
@rohanhammond2289
@rohanhammond2289 Год назад
Now we really need to see a base model M2 Max chip 14in vs the 38core varient!
@rogelionunez47
@rogelionunez47 Год назад
What’s better? 30GPU or 38GPU on a MacBook M2 Max? Is it worth going for the extra 8?
@maxxroach8033
@maxxroach8033 Год назад
Typing this on my 14" M2 max 30 core GPU (32gb ram, 1TB SSD). I haven't had any issues or noticed performance drops. I can have Xcode running simulator, VScode, and safari with RU-vid no issues. Will probably be getting the M3 14 inch next year and further proof it too. 64GB ram and 4TB SSD maybe? ;)
@rhoderzau
@rhoderzau Год назад
It feels like the 14" needs a high power mode to ramp up the fans faster
@mikitayotravel
@mikitayotravel 10 месяцев назад
I’m not sure if anyone of you’ve noticed but 16 inch is charging vs 14 inch is not (15:24) you can clearly see that 14 inch is connected to usb c. When connected to the charger, the laptop has a stable and continuous power source, allowing it to potentially deliver higher performance for more demanding tasks. For the best performance, especially during resource-intensive tasks, it's generally advisable to use your MacBook Pro while connected to the charger. Well it’s not an honest review. Seeing that weird white capable connected to 14 inch laptop makes me think that he wanted to create an illusion they both being charged.
@lupinearsenalALT
@lupinearsenalALT Год назад
Interested in seeing a 16" M1 Max 32 core vs. 16 M2 Max 30 core comparison.
@milanstojanov
@milanstojanov Год назад
This please, 14”! 🙏
@Epicgamer_Mac
@Epicgamer_Mac Год назад
Yes! I've been waiting for that since they came out.
@fsdafas749
@fsdafas749 Год назад
would there be any difference in throttling when comparing the 14 inch 38 core vs 30 core base M2 Max?
@vgnruz
@vgnruz Год назад
Great Video, Request…. Can you perform the same type tests and stress tests and “Compare” the Results for especially the 14” 2021 M1 Max, but also the 16” 2021 Max and show us the difference. This could help many Consumers make an informed decision, albeit purchase 2021 M1 Max, 2023 M2 Max or wait for M3 Max upgrade.
@vgnruz
@vgnruz Год назад
Understood, but first whose going to look 2yrs back through their channel with all the content they put out, plus they advise and help their subscribers and consumers decide on whether to hold off for the M3 or purchase the discounted M1, so it addresses everyone whom are interested that their advising, and yes, more views and subscribers for their channel as well 👍 win/win
@vgnruz
@vgnruz Год назад
@spacecadet, the intent was merely requesting and/or suggesting on behalf of those interested, for a data set comparison, if the guys want to edit some slides showing the Comparison Data Sets for one of their Purchase Recommendations future videos, that would be Appreciated, if not no worries and then just food for thought going forward. It was simply a “request”, nothing more. Thank you for your valuable time to point out constructive criticism. Have a Blessed Day🙏
@yirung12
@yirung12 Год назад
Tbh it's unlikely to hit both CPU and GPU at full load simultaneously in most workflows. The 14 inch is still gonna run hotter but it's just fine. I have the 14 with 30 GPU cores and the performance is shockingly similar to the 16 inch 38 core version.
@eiga0114
@eiga0114 Год назад
It is quite unlikely to happen, even more in such a huge intensity. This video review is absolutely disconnected with 99% of workflows.
@domantasbronusas
@domantasbronusas Год назад
@@eiga0114apple is actually kinda mindful and they probably tested on normal conditions. These test are too extreme
@philb6990
@philb6990 Год назад
Ok nice comparison. But now is 14” M2 Max 12 CPU 30 GPU variant better the non binned ?
@newstreetpicturesltd.5912
@newstreetpicturesltd.5912 Год назад
Yes! I'd like to see a 30GPU vs 38GPU comparison with 32gb of memory - PLEASE!!
@kevinc-727
@kevinc-727 Год назад
On 14” the mid-size M1 Max was clocked faster than the biggest M1 Max, is M2 Max the same? Helpful to find out which model 14” is fastest because less throttling
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@Piketom1
@Piketom1 Год назад
IMHO, the best configuration of the 14” is the M2 pro. It’s nice that Apple gives you the option to have more portability with the same hardware but if you truly need the performance of the M2 Max, you are better served with the 16.”
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@domantasbronusas
@domantasbronusas Год назад
Its not best financially unless you buy binned one with 1tb. If you opt for 32 gb ram its just a few pennies to get max chip with two encoders and better graphics. Also its better resselability as it max will always sound better than pro and people associate max with 3k price while pro with 2k
@Phenixzero
@Phenixzero Год назад
Would that 30c M2 MAX or M2 Pro is sweeter spot for 14” MBP? Cause 38c cost you extra $400 , this could give you extra 32G ram or 1TB SSD which is way much practical for most people
@Epicgamer_Mac
@Epicgamer_Mac Год назад
Great point, and I'm waiting for a vid on that from these guys! Cmon Max Tech!
@AzVfL
@AzVfL Год назад
What? In my country, the 16" is a €600 extra, and I believe $500 in USA. Does the difference become smaller when upgrading?
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@petercarlsson6606
@petercarlsson6606 Год назад
I think you're mising the point sometimes. Everything isn't power and specs. Sometimes the 14 is better than the 16 because the 16 may be to big and bulky to lug around and use on a bus or train. Or you just want a 14 because it has a better form factor.
@MarshallFlores
@MarshallFlores Год назад
Would love to see a H2H test of the 14" vs the 16" in clamshell mode, driving multiple 4K/5K monitors.
@jeromescott2113
@jeromescott2113 Год назад
Thank you for the detailed comparison . My work computer is a 14" ThinkPad, and I find that it's too small for me. I can understand the appeal for people that travel frequently, but I think the 16" is a better value. The performance differences alone make it worth going for the larger one in my opinion. Then when you consider the larger screen, better speakers and longer battery life, it is easily worth $200 more.
@Freshbott2
@Freshbott2 Год назад
Is there any chance you guys would do it for the 30 core variants? It would be nice to know if that’s within the 14” thermal limits so they’re equal.
@InformaticFields
@InformaticFields Год назад
Agree!!!!!
@Epicgamer_Mac
@Epicgamer_Mac Год назад
agreed
@Epicgamer_Mac
@Epicgamer_Mac Год назад
@nabil libre Shouldn't be, especially in the 14" chassis, the 30-core may not have quite as much raw grunt but it also doesn't throttle
@Freshbott2
@Freshbott2 Год назад
@nabillibre922 dunno, after I posted this I bought the 32c M2 Max 14” and think there’s no harm in getting the 38 if you can pay for it. I thought it would roast. Instead, the fan barely comes on. In Metro LL Redux on medium (there’s no visual difference after medium) it’s generally around 120fps and the fans take like 5 mins to come on and they sit at their minimum speed. Observation through parallels is around 90+ fps and the fans sit at about 50%. Go the better one if you want to.
@Monkwrestler
@Monkwrestler Год назад
For me the portability of 14" is just too important
@jayjudd6518
@jayjudd6518 Год назад
For USA people Fahrenheit would make them realize that 100 Celsius is 212 degrees Fahrenheit that is boiling of water. 42C is 105F I believe.
@mr.bond2023
@mr.bond2023 Год назад
Good breakdown
@scottscottsdale7868
@scottscottsdale7868 Год назад
That shows how well engineered the hardware is.
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@shrugalic
@shrugalic Год назад
@@theoneonly5368 You might want to look that up. India seems to have almost twice as many YT users in general… the Max Tech audience might differ, ofc.
@TA-yz3ff
@TA-yz3ff Год назад
What about the 14 inch MacBook Pro M2 Max with 30 core GPU? maybe it is better than 38 core GPU in terms of thermal throttling and performance. It could be a better choice for those who want to do 3D drawing or video editing and at the same time don't sacrifice portability. M2 Pro is not enough for this work. Better screen and better speaker in the 16 inch is not that important, because most of us work with monitors and have speakers at home. Outside no one uses speaker it is annoying, almost everyone uses their AirPods. 2 hours more battery life in 16 inch is also not a big difference compared to the 14 inch. Have you done a test with 14 inch M2 max with 30 Core GPU?
@domantasbronusas
@domantasbronusas Год назад
I literally looking at it for two reasons: better utilise hdmi 2.1 as 30 gpu is probably more than enough to max out for editing and similar stuff on 4k 144 monitor and those amazing codecs for editing on the go
@grahamf695
@grahamf695 Год назад
I suspect that most people won’t be able to detect a difference in performance between the two. Still, these benchmarks might suggest that the sweet spot for MacBook Pro 14” Max chip has 30 cores, rather than 38. That saves another £200 GBP, or I guess $200 USD.
@DeoneSoBord
@DeoneSoBord Год назад
NEED HELP 16” LATE 2022 M1MAX. I can’t find any info anywhere. I’ve looked for manuals. Just gonna ask already. Does the m1max charge through both usb-c ports or just one on the left side. I just found out one of my left ports won’t charge the laptop and I need to know if that’s broke cause I’ll get it fixed under warranty. Thank you if you help 🙏🏻
@conny8023
@conny8023 Год назад
Why NOT use MAG-Safe power cable on both machines?
@Aonexia
@Aonexia Год назад
Yes guy’s… I’ve just ordered: 16-inch MacBook Pro - Space Gray With the following configuration: Apple M2 Max with 12‑core CPU, 38‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine 96GB unified memory 140W USB-C Power Adapter 4TB SSD storage Three Thunderbolt 4 ports, HDMI port, SDXC card slot, headphone jack, MagSafe 3 port INPUT 065-CDPG Touch ID 16-inch Liquid Retina XDR display² MOUSE AND TRACKPAD 065-CDPD Force Touch Trackpad PRO APPS BUNDLE FOR EDU 065-CDTT NO PRO APPS PREINSTALLED Final Cut Pro SW LOGIC PRO 065-CDTY NO LOGIC PRO PREINSTALLED Backlit Magic Keyboard with Touch ID - US English Accessory Kit AppleCare+ for 16‑inch MacBook Pro (M2) I’ll report back when it arrives in a week!
@roy_w
@roy_w Год назад
Good comparison, but 14 still the best size for me but wonder should I remain 30gpu or upgrade to 38gpu?
@Epicgamer_Mac
@Epicgamer_Mac Год назад
I'd stick with 30. Maybe not as much raw grunt translating to bragging rights. But it also doesn't have to throttle.
@kokonotsu_j
@kokonotsu_j Год назад
Would you do another 14 vs 16, both with 30 GPU cores?
@abdurrahmankhan129
@abdurrahmankhan129 Год назад
That’s what I’m looking at. Best Buy has the 14” M2 with 30 gpu for $3100 and the 16” M2 with 38 gpu for $3500. Wondering, money wise, if just a 14” with 16gb ram would be enough for coding. The $3100 is a little bit much but the $3500 might be too much for me. Thinking maybe the 16” M1 Max with 32 ram might be better once it comes down some more in price. It’s $3300 right now.
@noisetin
@noisetin Год назад
​@@abdurrahmankhan129Man, for coding M1 Air base will be PLENTY. Unless you're doing Android or iOS than still you will be ok with base M1 14".
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@abdurrahmankhan129
@abdurrahmankhan129 Год назад
@@noisetin I have the 13” M1 with 16 ram and 1 tb. Looking to get into maybe swift but I want a bigger screen. All of the reviews that I’ve seen are saying that the base 14” and 16” M2 models the SSD drives are too slow. Even max tech talked about this I think last week.
@noisetin
@noisetin Год назад
@@abdurrahmankhan129 Yes, absolutely but for coding I would advise you to get a discounted 14" or 16" M1 machine. You really don't need that much power.
@z3thon
@z3thon Год назад
Is it possible that the two different power delivery methods could cause heat issues?
@RabbyCalicdan
@RabbyCalicdan Год назад
are you comparing the 30c vs 38c M2 Max?
@batmanonabike3119
@batmanonabike3119 Год назад
$200 more for the same spec of 16 inch vs the 14 inch. Hmmm... in the UK, that delta is £400. We get screwed here by Apple.
@dizzycow55
@dizzycow55 Год назад
the different power source and input location on the 14” would not influence the results?
@balint133
@balint133 Год назад
Could you clarify which Power adapters AND cables you were using for these tests? You have used MagSafe on the 16" and USB-C on the 14" which on its own already semi-invalidates your results. Which power brick? Did you use the 97W adapters came with the laptops? Also, that USB-C connector did not look like a genuine Apple USB-C cable to me. If it was an aftermarket cable, please post which model was it and its power rating as well and verify that it was able to deliver at least 60W. There is one major problem with your test. If the cable wasn't rated for high power then you were essentially starving the laptop. Some cheaper cables are only rated for 30W (some older Apple cables are also only rated for 29/30W) which might have happened here during your test. The entire package was suspiciously capped at 30W. I find it very hard to believe that Apple would intentionally cap total Package Power at 30W while both the GPU and CPU can pull around 35W each. I'd not say this was "Thermal Throttling" either because the 14" model stayed cooler by 10 degrees or so which should've been plenty of headroom to not throttle thermally. If you do similar tests in the future you should really use the same power brick/cable AND charging port on both devices as it could dramatically alter your test results.
@EvacTheGreat
@EvacTheGreat Год назад
How well will the 14inch do with the MagSafe charger?
@bryamoutdoors
@bryamoutdoors Год назад
I couldn’t wait in the end for this video and bought the 16” this weekend 😂 Happy with my choice but thanks for putting this video out, helps me sleep easier tonight with my choice 😁
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@cameron_scott
@cameron_scott Год назад
How come the 14" is plugged in via magsafe, and the 16" is using type-c/ thunderbolt(?) port? I wonder if that makes a difference. I don't know the wattage limitations on either.
@sheesh1101
@sheesh1101 Год назад
how can the m2 max live on 107c, theres no way thats good for the chip long term
@theFATEfactory
@theFATEfactory Год назад
Is there any reason to get 38 core max over 30 core max as an advanced Premiere Pro/Lightroom user? I think I’d rather invest the cash into ram or storage 😅🤔🤔🤔👋🏽 Thanks!! 🙌🏽
@DojoOfCool
@DojoOfCool Год назад
I'd go for the 16" for that screen and really being a real desktop computer replacement.
@ommafooduk
@ommafooduk Год назад
Should I get 16' 32GB M2 Pro or 16GB M2 Max?
@robroberts2064
@robroberts2064 Год назад
Worth noting: the latent heat of the wooden desk and laptop chassis have a cumulative effect on the laptop internal temps. Letting the desk cool to ambient so it’s not radiating back at the laptops, and letting the laptops sleep and cool off (off the desk) between tests would make a big difference (benefitting the 14” and making their results more similar).
@MaxTechOfficial
@MaxTechOfficial Год назад
The chassis cools down very quickly. Also, there is a lot of time between testing that you don't see in the video. Sometimes 10 minutes could get cut out as I prepare the test, etc. In the video, it seems instant.
@DamageMelody
@DamageMelody Год назад
lol heated desk? real apple defender here
@DCuerpoJr
@DCuerpoJr Год назад
Basically, there’s no significant difference in performance IF you’re working with Lightroom or editing h.264 or HEVC videos. IF you’re working with Raw 4k, 8k or other tough codecs then it’s better to get the 16” due to better heat management which leads to less thermal throttling.
@cameron_scott
@cameron_scott Год назад
Seeing these computers in real life is wild! The 16" seems soo much larger, and the 14" seems tiny when seen side by side. I am curious about performance for my real-world workflow.
@oriolb3ch
@oriolb3ch Год назад
So, after seeing big differences between best cpu (M2 Max) on 14' and 16' MBP, I'm guessing as a safe bet only the base cpu M2 Pro will perform the same on both 14" and 16". As with the Pro CPU the "high performance" setting isn't available...
@ronbryant1377
@ronbryant1377 Год назад
Beware of new 2023 MacBook Pro M2 Max’s that won’t charge with the supplied magsafe charger. I got a new “defective unit” on Jan 27th, 2023 and have yet to get Apple support to replace the unit, even though they admit it’s defective. Apple, if I said anything false, please sue me! It’s now Monday Feb 6th.
@mamalion430
@mamalion430 Год назад
Could you compare which is worth between the M2 MacBook Air with 16GB Ram And 512GB storage with last years M1 Pro MacBook 14” refurbished? I think it will be an interesting comparison!
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@jacobpetersen5662
@jacobpetersen5662 Год назад
GREAT video, thanks. I am SUPER curious though about the Max M2 30 Core version in the 14".
@antoniovitalia
@antoniovitalia Год назад
You used usb c to charge 14" model and magsafe port to charge 16" model...i think with the magsafe the laptop receive more power 🤷‍♂️
@disklamer
@disklamer Год назад
Having more potential sustained performance is helpful towards being more futureproof, too.
@Nimariel
@Nimariel Год назад
This is what I was waiting to see. Now how about 14 Pro vs 14 Max?
@perriscalderon8155
@perriscalderon8155 Год назад
I thought you said you liked the air the most since is most portable? you've changed to wanting the 16" the most?
@HakonBroderLund
@HakonBroderLund Год назад
Would the same throttling happen on the 30core M2 Max?
@eddiekytia
@eddiekytia 4 месяца назад
MAX TECH.... so I've never owned a laptop and haven't even used computers outside my galaxy phone. Im buying a new portable laptop to learn how to edit photography and video. I was buying the 14inch macbook pro m2 pro with 32gb ram with 12‑core CPU and 19‑core GPU 1TB SSD so will I have to worry about and of this thermal or throttling with learning to edit...... thanks for your help
@marcusnoack9767
@marcusnoack9767 Год назад
Can you use thermal pads on the 14 inch Macbook? It looks like pads need to be placed on the CPU/GPU heatsinks. Right?
@leannviolet
@leannviolet Год назад
I know apple is by some standards law forced to throttle when chassis is 50°C. That is why the 14" would be so extremely throttled. Maybe of the test is redone from startup directly into cinebench. But when the chassis is hot 🔥 the macbook pro needs to manage that. - so if you would push the ambient temperature of the 16" (ie after a big test) and then match them up this can be quite more balanced. - but ... like Max said, realistically it is not going to happen often irl
@EJuliusF
@EJuliusF Год назад
You didn't have the 14 inch plugged in.... That is the problem
@adnanpasha5240
@adnanpasha5240 Год назад
Hi, Hi, I am a typical PC user. However I may sometimes have to use graphic intensive apps or games in the future. I plan to buy the Macbook Pro 14 inch, not the 16 inch. i am planning on getting 32 GB RAM and 1TB SSD. Price is not an issue. I want to be future proof and I am really confused about the configuration. Should I go for 10 Core M2 Pro, 12 Core M2 pro, or Base M2 Max. I really want to get the M2 Max. But I have heard that it gets heated up and It doesn't have a good thermal management and battery life compared to M2 Pro. Would you be kind enough to provide some insight.
@circlebamboo10000
@circlebamboo10000 Год назад
I want a 14inch as I don’t want to carry the heavy 16inch around. Looks like M2 Max on the 14inch is not good, but if I get the M2 Pro 14inch 1TB with 32gb, it’s only $200 less than getting the same but with M2 Max. Not sure which of I get if I want 32gb memory - M2 Max or M2 Pro? For 32gb memory 1TB drive is only 200$ difference. Thanks
@Donbros
@Donbros Год назад
What you ordered?
@EuropeanLord
@EuropeanLord Год назад
The problem with this review is is 99% of the people don't buy 14" for thermals or to save $200 but for the smaller form factor. In my case I needed more than 32 GBs of memory so there was only one choice... At this point 16 GBs of RAM are not early enough in may professional scenarios and I can only assume M2 will carry me for the next 3-5 years and then even 32 GB might be a bit limiting so it will be much easier to resell 64/96 GB :)
@domantasbronusas
@domantasbronusas Год назад
32 gb will be enough for 7-8 years minimum. 16gb is popular right now for 2-3 years easily
@lav1daloca
@lav1daloca Год назад
I'm glad I didnt wait and got a used M1 Pro 16 1TB for 1600 a few months ago and it still had 99% battery capacity! I'm not upgrading until the M9 Pro in 2030!!!! Whats that gonna be a 1nm 24 core CPU with 128 core GPU? I dont care the M1 Pro does it all already!!!!!
@kevinc-727
@kevinc-727 Год назад
Seems like high power mode is needed even more on the 14” than the 16”. There’s no technical reason that bursty tasks should be slower on the 14”, Apple can’t turbo at full power for brief periods like Intel does?
@whennn
@whennn Год назад
Would really like to know if 1tb and 2tb have any difference in reading speeds pls
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@eWhizz
@eWhizz Год назад
Why is one machine on USB-C and the other on MagSafe. These Macs don’t run full speed on USB-C, so your tests are not the full story.
@MaximeCheminade
@MaximeCheminade Год назад
Hey. I found out what the problem is with the "performance issue" on the 14 inch and get the same perf as the 16 with the 100% cpu / gpu :) my tests (14' m2 max 64G) if that interrest someone..
@akthem84
@akthem84 Год назад
I am interested, please share with us how you resolved the issue
@JanReklamowy
@JanReklamowy Год назад
Please share me
@someonesomebody9088
@someonesomebody9088 Год назад
plz share too
@Epicgamer_Mac
@Epicgamer_Mac Год назад
Can u elaborate...?
@lenn55
@lenn55 Год назад
I just bought an Apple refurbished 16" M1 Pro. I saved a lot of money and it will be more than fast enough for my needs.
@jeremias3363
@jeremias3363 Год назад
So I bought a 14 inch m2 pro 32gb 1tb macbook but my store has just discounted the m2 max version with otherwise equal specs. Should I still avoid it or return my pro and swap it in for the extra media encoders (which I do use) and more display support?
@Epicgamer_Mac
@Epicgamer_Mac Год назад
I'd upgrade to the M2 Max, but get the 30-core variant instead of the full 38-core variant. If it's ANYTHING like the M1 Max, it'll throttle less with a couple less GPU cores.
@jeremias3363
@jeremias3363 Год назад
@@Epicgamer_Mac it would be that versions indeed!
@Epicgamer_Mac
@Epicgamer_Mac Год назад
@@jeremias3363 I'd go with that. Loving my 14" M2 Max
@jeremias3363
@jeremias3363 Год назад
@@Epicgamer_Mac have you tried running it in low power mode? It's pretty nice on M2 pro but really wonder what it's like in the max.
@Epicgamer_Mac
@Epicgamer_Mac Год назад
@@jeremias3363 Yeah, it gives a pretty big boost to battery life, but I tend not to use it because it turns off 120 hz ProMotion on the display. It’s still adaptive to save battery but only goes up to 60 hz which seems like such a downgrade after being spoiled with 120 hz lol
@MechnoSferatu
@MechnoSferatu Год назад
I love my 2013 15" MBP. I've always said that, yes I'm paying a premium, but my MacBook has been faithful to me for a decade and is still great. What worries me about the M2s is that, even if I max out all the specs, I just can't do that. The SSDs they are using have a limited number of Terrabytes that they can write before they fail and there's no way of getting around it. The way that swap is used is like a variable speed fuse that's slowly leading to failure. Please, tell me that I'm wrong. I'd love to get a maxed-out Max and be happy for the next decade, but I'm doubting that it's possible.
@666metalfreak
@666metalfreak Год назад
Every SSD has a certain expected life-span aka how many writes it can do
@motovloggernyc
@motovloggernyc Год назад
Just buy it with more Ram so you don’t use any swap. Also the higher the TBs the more Read/Write capacity the SSD will have and also Apple runs Swap in tandem so to limit SSD degradation. I’m going for a 16 64gb or 96gb if Ram and a 4TB SSD. That should last at least 5+ years without issues. I also use a mid 2010 MacBook Pro 15.4 inch with an Intel i7, 8gb of Ram and 2TB Samsung SSD with an internal upgraded Bluray Rewritable Drive. Acquired it in 2014 and did the upgrades from 512gb standard drive and 2GB Ram. I tried to do 16GB but it wasn’t stable. It’s lasted me 9 faithful years and still going strong yet the dedicated graphics card became unstable and had to use a software to force the Intel integrated graphics to work instead on the dedicated one. Can’t do 2K/4K video edited only 1080p on Final Cut X. I would have not upgraded to the M2 Max 14 32gb 30gpu 1TB if it wasn’t for the video editing issue. I love my old machine and how I can upgrade the storage and add more storage in the cd drive that I use often since I still buy CDs and Blurays. Hopefully I find a good external CD drive for the new Mac.
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@bruno_master9844
@bruno_master9844 Год назад
is the performance difference a bigger difference than the m1 max on the 14 and 16 inch?
@utubekullanicisi
@utubekullanicisi Год назад
Why is he reacting like he discovered an element? This is standard throttling protocol for laptops at the point of overheating. They cap the CPU and/or GPU at some point to maintain a stable clock speed instead of ramping the clocks up and down. GPU wattage will also be prioritized since it's higher power draw than the CPU.
@shiny2766
@shiny2766 Год назад
I am interested in seeing a comparison between 14" M1Max and 14" M2Max!
@1BSDjunkie
@1BSDjunkie Год назад
Apple have always had with thermals and laptops it seems. I wonder if your results would be better or worse if both MacBooks Pro were put in clamshell mode using an external monitor? You would think cooling would be easier if the MacBooks Pro were operated while open
@antoniogherardini1988
@antoniogherardini1988 Год назад
I'm need to upgrade. I currently have a 2015 MacBook Pro & do Photo & Video Everyday. Anybody make a similar switch, and if so which one did you get?
@Epicgamer_Mac
@Epicgamer_Mac Год назад
That’s a pretty crazy difference. Do you have any idea how you can get around that thermal problem? For example, is there some kind of software that can MAKE it not throttle, or force the fans to ramp up to cool it before it has a chance to throttle? I recently purchased the 14 inch with the M2 Max, but I got the base model M2 Max with 30 GPU cores. I expected that this will help with thermal throttling in the smaller 14 inch chassis.
@williamhelena7592
@williamhelena7592 Год назад
don't let these tech reviewers spoil your purchase. I have the 12/30 m2 max 14 inch and I regularly push 6k workflows with no throttling. these guys purposely push these computers past their limits for views and engagement. think of it like this: imagine not buying a car you really like because a car reviewer ran the engine at 100% until it caused problems. You'll be driving on the road normally and paying more attention to comfort and features. You will rarely ever max it out to that point. Hope this helps!
@Epicgamer_Mac
@Epicgamer_Mac Год назад
@@williamhelena7592 Thanks for the reply, that's quite helpful! I did figure Max Tech was pushing them to their absolute limits just to see what the difference was during the worst-case scenario, but of course, I have that psychological thing/FOMO that makes me wonder if the 16" is just better. Thanks again, great to hear from someone who uses it and pushes fairly high workloads without issue.
@svenpeter91
@svenpeter91 Год назад
@Max Tech is there a noticeable difference in read / write speeds in comparing 1Tb with 2 Tb SSD or just 4Tb? Which conf. gives the fastest results? is it enough to go with the 1Tb Version? How many nand chips are used in each configuration?
@Eternalmotors
@Eternalmotors Год назад
64GB or 32GB RAM though? 🤔 for a 16 inch m2 max
@lukeusetheforce
@lukeusetheforce Год назад
What are the temperatures of M1 or M2 Macbook pro while rendering in Premiere Pro f.e? Just asking because being a long time windows laptop user I'm quite suprised that nearly all of reviewers treat thermals at about 90/100 celsius as something normal 'cause it's a Macbook. It may have long term consequences in longevity of some components. Yes, windows laptops are very loud from about 75/80 degrees C, but maybe there's a reason? My Asus laptop peaks at 92 at Premiere Pro video rendering of 45min clip and I'm worried, but I'm also considering buying a M1 or M2 Macbook, are temperatures at about 100degrees safe? What is your opinion?
@noahklassen1695
@noahklassen1695 Год назад
At 8:10, on the video, why are the 14” fans not running higher? It clearly needs to cool itself down.
@frostgodx
@frostgodx Год назад
Apple fan curves are extremely lazy and have a large pad time. So it will max 108c and the system doesn’t respond until about 15 sec after to cool it. It’s meant to be this way as most loads are temporary in the real world so they would rather the heat and throttle briefly then spin up the fans and be loud. Eventually they catch up and do fine. OR the issue can be resolved all together by using your own custom fan curves that are more active to avoid the high temps and throttling.
@ralftech897
@ralftech897 Год назад
This is weird as I just received my 14" m2 max with the upgraded cpu cores option, 2tb, 32gb ram and I got higher scores than you got on the 14" and the 16". My score was 14765 in Cinebench on battery power. For the rest of the tests I had about 5-10% better scores. Also, it barely thermal throttled for me. Very weird. Why do you think is that? Maybe the 2tb 14" has something different?
@goyangi2014
@goyangi2014 Год назад
did you get the 30 or 38 core gpu version?
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