@@jme36053 Celebration? _CELEBRATION_ ? This is worth 3 week company retreat to Dubai or Bali with all expenses paid. Most gun safes will find ways to shoot your dog if you don't align them with the magnetic north while throwing salt over your shoulder and chanting the Lotus Sutra.
@@aeislugh I would absolutely purchase locks with that approval. I mean most of the time it takes him longer to introduce himself and the lock, than picking it.
Also, if you consider "they" contacted LPL to let him know they were patching the old model, correcting the flaws, I think it's the way to go for a company who is responsible. After all, gun safes are important, especially in USA, where everyone can own a weapon very easily.
Something tells me Vaultec staff had a moment of panic but are now breaking out the champagne. LPL praised them twice in one video, and said that their safe had won the highly coveted "very reasonable choice" designation. What an achievement.
@@JS-rv3et I think the world locks in kingdom hearts had that designation before he got together with Bosnian Bill to make a tool for picking keyblade style locks.
@@elfferich1212 yes, but it resets the pasword too, and if anything without the password open the box picking the cylinder and remove the battery, it will forget the password and the the owner can identify the tamper because the box not remember the original password. Anyway the safe of a box that can be opened by medium-light brute forze have no sense in terms of security.
@@drkcobra it's a video game reference to a corrupt company that is phonetically coincidental to the name of this safe manufacturer. Just a low hanging fruit joke.
@@drkcobra Vault-Tec is a fictional business in the Fallout universe of video games that used nuclear shelters as ways to create social experiments on humans. Those experiments are often cruel and deadly.
Honestly the lock box itself isn't the main reason I would recommend their stuff, more notable is hearing how promptly they responded to the fork fiasco with a fix that they even tried to get to existing customers, not just future customers.
Yeah. Usually one would expect to just change future productions (or not even that at all depending of your optimism levels) and that's it. But then getting to the ones who already got the flawed version? That's going the extra mile. They absolutely deserve every penny they get and more.
honesty and customer service are HUGE positive points for any company, spending that little extra to care for someone who has bought one, not just the future buyers. Massive win!
It’s nice seeing companies that care about not only their product but their customers too Like they’ve got their money they could have just ignored the people who had the at risk ones, but did the right thing and went out of their way to remedy that too With how promptly they did it too is just beautiful
Dear Lock Picking Lawyer: Thank you for reviewing this safe. I just got this for my son at college. He takes meds that are very attractive to steal. His feedback on the safe: (1) It is very heavy and the metal is not bendable with a fork. (2) There is an app that he downloaded to his phone that will alert if anyone is tampering with the box. (3) It has multiple ways to open (key/code) for backup. Finally & probably most important it cannot be opened with a fork which are widely available on college campuses. Thank you for reviewing this safe. It is an excellent addition for his college dorm. Best - One happy Mama
If he's on stims make sure he takes plenty of magnesium. I aced college and done well but my bones break easily now. Ruptured 3 vertebrae and damaged my spinal cord. Disabled at 40. My neurologist said magnesium deficiency from meds played a large part.
Ahh so that's what the bluetooth sticker was for, notifications for tampering. That sounds pretty nice, was a bit more pesimist and thought it might be a BT-based unlock mechanism.
Vaultek Staff: LPL is reviewing us again! All crowd anxiously around the monitor A small cheer goes up when LPL says they dealt with the last one well, but the tension remains... At the end of the video, people are crying and hugging and management sends everyone home early
Yeah, no bypasses, made from good materials, the backup lock being a disc detainer is a huge plus as it takes special tools to even pick and skill to do even relatively quickly. This thing may actually be worth the price. Depends on how many digits the code can be, since that can be brute forced quite fast with just five digits. Five to the power of five (assuming five digits long code) is only 3125 options. If we say that entering the code and the lock resetting takes 5 seconds, that leaves us with 625 seconds to try each combination, so a bit over ten minutes. But still, most curious adolescents would probably give up after trying the more obvious answers, at least if the parents are home.
@@JonVonBasslake Not sure about this one, but some e-locks will go non-functional for 10 minutes or so if too many failed attempts. This would make brute force take quite a bit longer.
Good on Vaultek for not only making a quality safe, but correcting an exploit for *current* customers! Maybe I'll check out their underground shelters I've heard so much about.
I can imagine the packaging on the next batch of safes by this company, with a big "Better Than Most, a very reasonable choice ~ The Lock Picking Lawyer" quote in the front to show how good it is
Unfortunately, in our economy at least, the "RIGHT" way of doing business is costly and not very rewarding by the business standards, which is why most other companies don't do business the "RIGHT" way. :(
I think it's only PacLock, Sterling, and Vaultek have looked at LPL's videos and gone "Okay, we made this mistake here, let's fix it to prevent it being as problematic as before." Masterlock are content to just make the same flaws over and over and over, and the cheap locks that don't have any security are just embarrassments.
Huge applause for this! If someone gets a defeat and then does their best to fix that defeat, then they are paying attention. Unlike MasterLock who appear not really to give a damn as long as you keep buying their crappy locks.. Just my own opinions, of course, so don't sue me.
Of course Vaultek products offer a reasonable level of safety. In the Wasteland, they’re used to secure Plasma and Laser pistols after all. Will you cover the model that can be unlocked by inputting the code into your Pip-Boy? 🤓
And in Fallout 1 and 2, you could blow it open if your explosives skill was high enough. That's why you should put points into explosives, instead of lockpick.
A company responding to product criticism in a positive manner is an honorable company. Due to LPL's video and their response, I purchased two of their Lifepod products and love them. Win-win overall. The company receives more sales, LPL shows he's not out to get companies but just trying to improve the industry, and I have a safe vetted by the master himself. I spent a long while before buying gun safe because I was skeptical of many brand's security based on LPL's and other's videos, all showing how easy it is to get into them. With ensuring safety against adolescents being my #1 concern, a video like this is really reassuring to me.
Stopping some adolescents is harder than stopping any normal intruder. When I was 14 I got access to my father's keys for 30 minutes and had a hand filed copy ready to go (already had a blank I bought). It was for porn (early 80s), our guns weren't locked- how could we go shoot when he wasn't home if they were locked up? The only way he could have stopped me is if he never took the keys out of his pocket, and wore them to bed. Pants on the floor and I would have had my copy.
@sewagii You clearly must have not watched the video, the company made a new safe, the problem was not present. Just because someone engineering it can have a minor oversight, doesn't mean they are a bad company. I mean they literally sent out kits and made their customers aware of the flaw, didn't just sweep it under the proverbial rug. Yes this comment does make sense, it is about the video, the company in the video, and that company's products. If a company is willing to acknowledge and fix their short comings within a matter of days, that's a good company, doesn't matter if they made a mistake, as long as it is not made again and they learn from it enforcing new policies due to it.
"the pick that Bosnian Bill and I made.." YES, I love that line and I really love that tool. Engineering and proper execution all in one well thought out instrument. How can one NOT like this channel!?!
How is the tool compatible with his idea of a curious teenager? They won’t have the tool even if they have pick knowledge from internet. He should do these tests with more available tools
I can respect a company that made a patch on their design flaw, then sent it out to the owners of the product. It actually seems like a fairly good product, being backed by a great company.
For those who say "LPL is just helping thieves" this is the counter example. Vaultek made their product better and hopefully people who buy this product are safer, as are their families.
If anything lol informs consumers on what kinds of garbage products to avoid. Like all of masterlock. While periodically some companies take notice of such easily exploitable vulnerabilities and fix them. He further shows high quality products that can resist most picking attempts and/or have good defenses against destructive attacks for the price point.
@@ruffrider2626 It's a surprisingly common mindset amongst general people that if you study/teach lockpicking for anything other than locksmithing reasons, you must do it for nefarious reasons. I used to work with a guy who, in my eyes, was about as skilled as LPL. He didn't do it for a career, he just liked having it as a useful skill and a way to be more informed about security, but because of that he would frequently get flak from friends and family about it. Sometimes jokingly, but far too many times they were genuinely concerned.
@@Rhoasckm Interesting. I never thought the solution to faulty security was to stick ones head in the sand and hope everyone else did too. I guess I pay those types of people no mind as they have absolutely no idea what they're going on about, therefore my bias never sees them. Keep it up LPL! Cheers.
"Better than most" doesn't hold much water when 'most' gun safes LPL finds he opens with random debris he finds in his garbage. This is is Fort Knox compared to most gun safes.
Vaultek at the start of the video: sweating "oh no, he's back." Vaultek at the end: massive relief, "he even said something nice about us!" feels good man.
@@FatherManus Well, duh - the only reason that locks don't open when he enters the room is that the locks know he doesn't like a free lunch. Masterlock doesn't always get that memo though.
I have the impression that LPL was going to say "disc detainer lockpick" or something, but he remembered and quickly said "the pick Bosnian Bill and I made", much to the audience's joy :D Also, props to Vaultek for their desire to improve. I doubt I would ever need one of their products, but if ever, they will be top of my mind :D
I think he said disc detainer lockpick while filming but noticed it while editing and changed it to the pick bosnian bill and I made because he knows everyone loves when he says that :D
A rare error that proves he is not as mechanical as the locks he picks ... though we have vastly more evidence to suggest he was in fact manufactured for perfection.
You may never own a handgun, but I could easily see putting a cheap handgun safe next to my bed as a honeypot for burglars- that is, put an alarm switch in it so if it opens with the alarm armed it trips a panic alarm immediately.
@@unnamed715 Eh, let them, maybe they suffer from mental problems. This has no impact on the real world nonetheless. People have to learn being critical towards information these days anyways.
They should make a firearm lockbox that sends a message to a designated phone if it's interacted with in any way. That way the owner could be notified even if they aren't at home.
They have one. If someone tries to use the fingerprint reader, enters a wrong code, or bumps it too hard, it sends an alert to the app on the owner's phone. It works very well.
I have one of their lockboxes. If someone tries to use the fingerprint reader, enters a wrong code, or bumps it too hard, it sends an alert to the app on my phone. It works very well. The quality of the lockbox seems to be above most others I have found.
Well, if some company actually cares about their costumers and actually does things to satisfy them then they deserve every bit of the success they will have.
I really love when companies actually heard to those who deeply know what they say. The reaction and response to the flaw detected by LPL was, IMO, the perfect one: contact LPL, fix the flaw in next version, release a fixing kit for those clients who already own one. Just the way that things should be fixed when someone screws it up. I hope every company would react this admirable (and also the smartest) way. Well done, LPL, and very good job of those at VaulTek, congrats to everyone.
*And* they retroactively went back and fixed all the older safes they already sold, which is automotive-recall levels of care. (Probably made easier by it being a software update, but still...)
"Hey boss, the LockPickingLawyer has made a video about us!" "Oh no, prepare to bankrupt" "But boss, he said our gun safe is better than most!" "Prepare to be rich then!"
@@mhfuzzball Which is lightyears better than MasterLock's response of _shrug_ If there's a problem with their product, then fixing that problem is important. They not only fixed it for future products, they also tried to make it right for existing owners too. Frankly, that says something good about their company.
LPL, my mother came from a travel, and she lost of of her baggage's key. It was a small lock and we were a little worried that we would need to break it. I asked for a Paperclip and a clamp, since i don't have picking tools. Used the paperclip as a pick and the clam as a tension wrench, took me around 10~11min, but i got my first pick and opened the lock ❤️ Thanks for the videos, i feel like it helped me a lot with the pins and all. My father said it was useless knowledge a while ago, but i kept watching, and it helped me!
I like how he points out that no handgun safe is going to resist much of any destructive attacks. That's just unreasonable to expect a portable handgun box to resist, say, an angle grinder. But yet a lot of people go "pfft I could just cut it open". That's _missing the point entirely_ to be honest. Here we have a product that is reasonably difficult to pick open, as LPL correctly states, requires specialized tools and the knowledge of what you need to pick it open as well as the skills to actually do so, and there's no cheap and easy ways to stuff a bit of thin metal in-between the seam to pop something inside of it, nor can you just simply use a magnet to engage some mechanism inside of the box. A competent product, a little pricey, but is $230 worth more than someone's life? Absolutely not.
Depends who the someone is. Personally I think I'm worth about $1.75 and a handful of sunflower seeds, so $230 would be a princely sum to invest in my longevity 🤠
@@its_clean it's not about your value, it's about how you value friends and family finding this product. There's many ways to hide/secure a gun, this seems like a good option.
You also have to look at the opportunistic scenario when locking up a gun. If this lock safe prevents a child from picking up a non secured handgun potentially causing an injury then in that respect it will suffice..
Guns are not safe, even in a vault. (And I think if a magnet would do it, LPL would have shown the flaw. Im curious about the battery resetting the code though, and 5 digits is just 5! so 120 tries to brute force, three minutes at most)
@@Pandemonis It's 5*4*3*2*1 which is 120 if you can only use each digit once but it's 5*5*5*5*5 which is 3125 combinations if you can use the same digit more than once.
Dude, huge respect for showing quality products on your channel. And kudos to Vaultek for updating their product based on industry professional feedback!
@@ShadowDragon8685I dunno. Sounds to me very much like "probably the best bet in the world", as "reasonable" is subjective and unquantifiable. Would require clearing it with LPL though. Anyways since he's apparently a lawyer himself, he might consider rubbing an endorsement deal.
Vaultek CEO: I heard our new gun safe can be picked open in about a minute? Vaultek PR: Yeah, we're all celebrating, come on down and join us. Vaultek CEO: Why would you celebrate this? It's terrible news. Vaultek PR: It took a minute for the LockPickingLawyer to pick it open, with specialized tools. Vaultek CEO: OH! I'm on my way.
Seems like a good lock to me. Though my main concern for locks or codes I dont want my family or people I know to get into is them learning the code or swiping the key. As a cheeky little youth I recall breaking into these numpads all the time simply be either guessing the code (most people use the same codes so if you learn one you learn em all), watching for when the code gets punched in and then using it later, or even looking at marks on the numbers to see which are pressed and narrow it down from there through deduction. I did all 3 of these under the age of 10 (though not to a gun safe) so its something to keep in mind.
I think curious child is exactly the right threat model. The tamper alarm is nice feature. No exploits. My only issue is the low number of combinations. You could try them all in under an hour. If the safe has 30 to 90 sec cool down after 3 failed attempts, that will make guessing impossible. Better yet, have the tamper alarm go off after 3 fails. Those might be included.
Kudos to Vaultek. They saw the problem, called LPL to let him know they saw, fixed said issue on future models, and even sent patch kits to existing owners. Quality company.
‘The Curious Adolescent’... ...non destructive but persistent 🤣 I was one of those once (some 40 years ago). I found a combination bike lock lying in the street. Knowing nothing about locks I just worked through every combination, took me about a week.
Yeah, I think the next thing Vaultek needs to do is implement a # of password fails feature if it does not already have one. Like, if you fail the code 5 times in a row, it sets off the beeping until the real code is entered. That way, if Jimmy tries to open it by brute forcing the code, his parents will know about it unless he gets insanely lucky and guesses it within 5 tries.
@@Dhalin He could try one or two codes each day that the parent takes the gun to the range because a successful opening will clear the counter. But yeah, that will take some time. And if the parents guess, and reset the code, it could take even longer.
Have to hand it to LPL, when a company does the right thing he does the same and gives them praise when it's due. At least this company addressed it's flaws, and improved it's product, well done!
And that's why I love LPL - absolute honesty and transparency. He is not trying to kick anyone, just deliver a brutally honest review of a product, giving credit where credit's due.
"Customer service" like the service this company displayed when they weren't even contacted is why I'm willing to pay more for a product even if it's exactly the same as sold by someone else at a reduced price. Walmart of all places went above and beyond within a minute of me hitting "send message" yesterday for some deliveries with both missing and damaged parts I had ordered online. No, I'm not paid and wouldn't write this if it was just a one time thing or "fluke" if you will as this is the third time in three months they have surprised me with excellent customer service with a quick solution. It's a shame more companies based on security don't reach out to the LPL so it's definitely worth remembering the ones that do.
Those new to the lock picking lawyer's site need to know what he says about this device and the vaultech company in general is SUPER HIGH praise from him.
Good to know, I definitely think it's important to remember that if someone is willing and prepared to destroy a locking container that they can get into even those huge "safe" type comtainers which people store their guns in. Ideally I would want to figure put a place to put this that would make it difficult to find or destroy if it's in a vehicle and as for home this is a nice way of making sure there's an extra barrier between a gun and a child.
It's always good to see a product that isn't laughably bad. Honestly after watching this channel for a while, I've become entirely disillusioned by the entire lock industry.
And they treated it like an emergency, considering they must have sat down with the engineers and figured out how to fix it in that same length of time.
I love the Genuine response and shows the company owner(s)’ true care for their product and clients/customers! A rare breed it seems; thank you LPL!!! I love your videos, and have for years!!! Maybe another video with DeviantOlam Soon??? 😁🙌🏻👍🏻
I can't help but imagine a Vaulttek executive member getting a call from PR and an enthusiastic conversation involving "LPL" and "with a fork!" on that day.
"Better than most" is the same in the LPL channel as to being "average" in the special forces. If you made it that far you're already the cream of the cream.
Appreciate this video. I've been on the lookout for a night stand gun safe because I have an almost 2 year old. I will be getting this one now, I know if you say it's worthy, then it must be good.
Huge fan of Vaultek. I have 2 of their pistol safes and am super impressed with quality. I haven’t had to use their support, but awesome to know they do well there as well.
We can expect around 500.000 views in short term, with people coming back because of comments, it can be around 300k to 400k people reached. 150k to 200k from lands where gun safes are common, around 75k to 100k from households with guns maybe... around 25k to maybe 40k makes decisions about purchasing safes (others are either teens, kids or their partners buy these things, etc), most of them already have gun safes or better storage for their handguns, so around maybe less than 5k plan viewers plan to buy a gun safe in next 12 months... So that massive run is unlikely. But people who search for videos and reviews about their products might encounter this video later, they will create a bit more views, but while those views are maybe tens of thousands people in the long run, they actually represent people who check various options and will buy gun safes. Some of the videos might get linked from store pages, etc... and these reviews will translate to sales at that time.
This channel is about picking locks.. a topic I thought I’d have no care or intrest in .. but I have watched almost every vid for several months. Thank u for the content
A serious kudos for the manufacturer. I'll bet the champagne party is going to last for days. With this level of defense, I'll be giving this product some deep consideration, far more than the other gun safes I've seen LPL test. Good job, Vaultek.
Vaultek passes the Lawyer's test with flying colors! It feels so good when companies fix their mistakes and change their designs for better protection from curious adolescents or actual thieves.
I love how, no matter how good LPL is at the LP, he's still an L. The conclusion at the end is perfectly qualified, summarizes his findings succinctly, but is still a qualified approval. Perfect LPL conclusion!
Since I don't have a gun ,I would nt have use for a gun safe box, but I'd definitely buy one of these for 2 reasons .1) LPL said it's better than most 2) Great company business ethics from the manufacturer .
*sells specialist tool to average adolescent* I love this channel I've always thought lockpicking was cool but covert instruments and utube actually make it so time efficient to learn and edc the skill its awesome. Sport picking is less niche than I once thought
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