I’d love for you to feature more robust locks occasionally. Don’t stop with the poor and easily picked items, but it would be nice to see any designs that give you trouble!
So after extensive research of this channel I have determined the only way to keep your home secure is to remove any doors replacing them with walls and simply just teleport in and out of your house
"lets do that one more time so you can see it was not a fluke" I think this is the first time where that line was actually appropriate since he accidently unlocked it with the fingerprint moments before picking it. Even if you did hear it re-lock right before he started to pick.
I mean, even if it had stayed unlocked, he would have still had to pick the lock successfully to turn the key cylinder. It's unlikely that the electronic mechanism is going to somehow lift the pins to the correct position to turn - rather, it probably just bypasses the mechanical lock portion entirely in some fashion.
Great product assessment and pick test. Sad to see so many items popular on Amazon for aesthetics rather than security. Love the content, as always; keep it up, LPL!
The strange thing is that the designer seemed to keep security in their mind, the lock body is quite decent. But at a later stage the company has chosen the cheapest core possible.
Unfortunately, many people (especially HOAs) would rather have things that are pleasing to the eyes than have greater function. The adage "Fashion over function" comes to mind. I personally much prefer the exact opposite of that.
@@Wooargh , OP never said "Amazon is BAD!!", they simply said it was sad to see many "popular" ITEMS on Amazon geared more towards "aesthetics" than "security" or then function. There are many sellers on Amazon, pushing low quality products, some are garbage, others are outright scammers soliciting. There are some sellers who've tried to incentivize consumers to give POSITIVE REVIEWS in exchange for "free stuff"... You don't think so, investigate it. IIRC even LPL had at least one product he bought from Amazon where the seller offered a gift card in exchange for posting a positive review, which LPL would not do. It's disgusting that some sellers are actually doing it so they rank higher and get exposure to shoppers, hoping they can beat their competition, effectively BRIBING customers. It USED to be that quality products/services were the focus of companies in order to drive sales but with e-commerce it's often about the "spiffy website design" and REVIEWS. There are companies who will hire themselves out to other companies STRICTLY to post FAKE REVIEWS of products/services. You can also check that out online. CBC had done a documentary on that. To my knowledge, Amazon does not have a "product review dept." which actively tests thousands and thousands of products to only list those products on their site. Now they do have "Amazon's Choice" which is not a group of select individuals testing every product. It's likely based upon technology such as aggregate data from reviewers and possibly cross-referenced through other sources for "popularity" etc. It's not like a "David Horowitz" of old who was a Consumer Advocate reporter. So in essence, just because a product appears on Amazon's website does not mean Amazon has tested it, determined it's quality, validity etc... It's obvious that if you tried to sell a nuclear weapon on Amazon, no they wouldn't offer to list it. -_- But beyond that absurdity, if you purchase a product from Amazon or any retailer, you're taking a risk and there are only certain liabilities assumed by the company.
With how regularly you defeat locks with seemingly no difficulty, I think it would be a benefit to put together a playlist of locks that are actually worthwhile to the consumer
@@yourvenparianen5390 not nessecarily, sometimes he guts them and they are still mid-tier locks, but it goes to 5 minutes. I remember one video he picked a lock 5 different ways using exploits as well.
Imagine the day LPL uploads a 2 minute video and just says "I must admit it, this lock defeated me. Nothing has worked and somehow I've also been locked out of my workshop. That's all I have for you today." (It'll never happen outside of an April Fool's, maybe.)
Imagine you're part of the company selling these locks. Must be a small thrill at seeing your product then a downer at seeing the video time. Though, nah. These people know how bad their product is.
I finally did it... i went and collected a few padlocks laying around the house. I fashioned some torque bars from a fork and used some bobby pins and got to pickin'! I've been watching you for years and finally decided to try it out and was successful! How cool! Thank you for the inspiration!
That shouldn't be too difficult. Seems that it can be opened from the front, which is extremely odd. The core should be a standard KiK (Key in Knob). Which means you should be able to replace it with any other standard KiK. Unfortunately, Harry didn't show us (annoyingly, he seldom does), so you won't know unless you buy one and see for yourself.
I agree that for most items, being forced to install an app just to set something up is a non-starter. I have kept an old phone (wiped clean, factory reset, etc) if I need something that does require an app, but that is my choice, I do not recommend anything that does to anyone else. I have, as local security, blocked any outgoing traffic from those devices via router firewall.
In cyber security this is known as security through obscurity. Just like here it's considered bad practice because if you don't know the lock it is harder to pick but if you do it becomes trivial to the point of sad.
The concept of "security through obscurity" predates cybersecurity by more than a century. If I remember correctly it started with the problem of poorly designed locks providing the appearance of security without the actual security, much like today. In Cyber Security it is a bit different and more like Nicholas Gold comment where there are not enough appealing targets to justify the effort required being presented as if that is the same as security. Mac OS and Linux are mainstream examples of the concept in practice.
You can only take obscurity so far on a doorknob. the mechanical backup is pretty much guaranteed to be somewhere within a couple of inch area. The best possible result here is for them to think you don't have a mechanical backup, but that's a pretty big reach.
@@nicholasgold9021 You would be shocked to learn what kind of worthless garbage a crackhead would steal. I once had one break into my detached laundry room and steal the grocery bag I kept my dryer lint in. Not the lint, he dumped that on the floor. Just the bag.
At some point we need to see a collaboration between a reputable lock company and someone that can add the aesthetic and quality of life features to it.
It’s the kind of lock that might lock a company’s stationary cupboard or something that requires low security that you don’t want to have to open with a key every time. Not good for an armoury 😂
If only it had commercial features for that use, the fact they use an app to configure it clearly indicates it's designed for consumer use in environments like the home. However, as a security in depth conversation for home security I don't personally see much use in having a door lock which is unpickable. For 90% of crimiunals it is easier to break a window which is likely the softest entry point to your home anyway.
A friend of mine locked herself out of her house, all of her keys were inside and none of the windows were hackable. Thanks to your channel I got her in, it took 10 seconds to pick her lock. I was shocked. She was too. I offered to install a better lock for free if she bought one. And my neighbor asked me if I had a bolt cutter because he lost the key to his bicycle security chain Masterlock. Of course my reaction was the same as yours... "Masterlock you say?" I had that open in about 20 seconds. Your videos have been very helpful. Thank you.
It’s shocking how many companies have weak links in their locking systems. Your reviews are always so excellent! They should hire you to be a design consultant!
The people buy these too, acting like they are superior 😂 handful of acquaintances have these modern locks he's been opening. I showed them and they get big mad 😡😡... 😂 😂
The fingerprint sensor actually seems impressively fast for the price point. It takes about as long as it takes to set the turning tool, much less insert the rake. That said, it sure does rake open quite quickly. I wonder how good the fingerprint sensor is at identifying false inputs? For example, a printout of someone's fingerprint?
It would be great if you could assess how moddable these locks are. Meaning, if possible, how easy it would be to change the core with a super secure custom one. That would add a bit more value on top of the typical "here's a cheap lock, it looks nice, but the core is trash, the end". You are catering to an audience of lock enthusiast after all, I suppose.
I've heard him mention when a core is swappable on multiple products. Wouldn't modding beyond the intended design start going into a while different territory?
Thank you for all of the great content LPL! I would love to see some videos that show locks with weak cores that can be removed and replaced with better cores. Any ideas or suggestions?
@@PanduPoluan Thank you. I will check that video out. I know of one good place to find high security locks. It is in Bosnian Bill's "Naughty Bucket", but I'm not sure how many of them are still in production or available for purchase.
@@PanduPoluanGreat point. I don't remember any of them being electronic either. I'll have to watch his videos again to refresh my memory. I really hope that all is well for Bosnian Bill & his family. He seems like such a great guy. I have so much respect for him, his life choices, and for his talents.
I started watching & joined your channel when your subscribers were under 100,000. Congratulations your success & passing the billion views mark! Looking forward to the next several billion
LPL really had to improvise here and I am happy he did. There is no vice that could really hold this thing, so he left handed it like a champion. It's a bulky awkward lock to film, only thing that would trip me up is that tiny keyway.
The one thing I have learned watching most of these videos is that if a have a wave rake I can get into many things that I shouldn't, I'm so happy I don't have a wave rake.
Love your videos, showing all the flaws of locks but it would be great if you could do a top 10 kind of list of the best door locks, bike locks ect. With the amount of test and your incredible experience im sure this would be a video many would love! Thanks again.
If it is possible to disassemble this nondestructively, I would use this lock after replacing the core. I have a pinning kit, so I can put in spool pins, steel key pins, and springs of varying tension.
I actually bought this for my bedroom door because I like the idea of the fingerprint sensor. Nobody in my family knows how to pick a lock so it doesn’t matter to me much that it’s not super secure.
Hi LPL, are you willing to try to pick, or take a look at Bowley's newer keyway, the Rotasera? It would be interesting to get your take on it since you are so highly skilled. It seems way more difficult than the first keyway that you looked at in episode 636.
Well, at least it's easy to fix, you can just superglue the external lid in place and hope the fingerprint scanner doesn't break to leave you stranded outside 😊
@@SonsOfLorgar Yeah, but you have to know it's there and I don't think many burglars carry acetone on them just in case someone glued their unusual door knob.
Seems like so many 'smart' or just expensive price points work so well with sales. Really do enjoy this channel for showing consumers these tricks on selling points
What would interest me in those smart locks is if (a) You can remove/disable the mechanical lock, and (b) if the electronics can be attacked on the outside portion of the lock or if there's only a sensor. Because if you can disable the mechanical lock and the outside is sensor-only, such a lock can provide security.
i think something like this would not be too bad if the owner receive a notification any time a key was used or it was able to set off an alarm when the key was used kind of like a car. when you lock it with the key fob you usually also activate the security system and if you manually open the car using the key it will set off the car alarm which engages the immobilizer.
LPL mentioned that he did NOT install the app so the question of that being the case we dont know. I would be curious myself if the app would alert you to said 'manual' opening of the door.
I'd like to see you occasionally feature locks that of better quality, that would give a moderately experienced picker some trouble. Also, does this lock have a replaceable core? Could one upgrade the pick resistance?
Hey, after watching your videos for maybe 2 years, i came across a wafer lock for a drawer that we locked with the keys inside, i was able to rake it open with some crude paperclip tools, ty so much for your content
I keep thinking I'd like to see what smart locks look like in a decade or so. But if Master is any indication, they won't really be any different even in 30 years.
The problem with wave rakes is that, that is what a child first thinks about picking a lock. So somebody who is totally amateur at lock picking can figure out how to wave rake a lock with a wavy bent wire without ever learning about picking at all. On the other end, a single security pin (and strong springs) can be highly effective against an amateur lock picker who had already watched a youtube video about picking.
I saw a similar lock on a friend's front door and while we were talking about it he bet me $20 I couldn't pick it with improvised tools. Took me about 10 seconds to find the hidden keyway, then about 10 more seconds to pick it open using a paperclip and a pocket knife for tension. And I have this channel to thank for the easiest $20 I ever made. xD
I think, the idea of these locks is to not carry keys with you, so, if you forgot the password (or lose the finger..) you can just pick the lock pretty fast, and don't have any inconveniences (except the lost of finger)
That’s why you usually set up at least two fingers when setting up a fingerprint reader because it’s more likely the tip of your finger would be damaged and would cause issues with fingerprint recognition for example I’ve gotten cuts on my fingers that would prevent the touch ID sensor on an iPhone from recognizing it
And anything where you need 100% reliability you don’t use any sort of electronics in the locking mechanism, for example a quick access safe for a home defense firearm is best to not use a fingerprint reader or electronic combination lock
I feel like the second test this time was necessary, since when he started tensioning during the first one he unlocked the lock with the fingerprint by mistake. I am also curious to see behind those screws
curious about your thought process behind “not putting their app on my phone”. I have my own reasons, but interested to hear from your perspective as a lock/security/lawyer person.
Seconded. I dislike the practice of products that can't be (fully) used without an app, since my phone doesn't do that, but I'd really like to hear LPL's reason to avoid this one. Or does he avoid all 3rd party apps?
I do have a question; Looking at the keys, I noticed that there is very little difference in the peaks and valleys. Would that make it easier to pick than if there were deeper cuts?
That would make it harder for you to use the key. Normally the pins in the cylinder are fully extended under spring tension, and they have to ride up and down on the key as you insert it, so there's not a lot of room for jagged peaks and valleys. For the picker, who sets each pin individually, and not necessarily in order, it shouldn't matter all too much
Generally, yes. Wave rakes are at their best when picking locks with keys that resemble a saw blade. However, if the lock has security pins it is harder to pick. Still, a lock that has high and lows is the better way to go.
@@thelockpickingspoon9074 I believe that's what they meant, a saw blade having perfectly even, shallow cuts, i.e. as close to flat as a properly cut key gets.
Unlikely on this model as it doesn’t appear to have anything resembling longer distance communication capabilities, meaning the signal is closer to Tap to Pay technology than it is to WiFi integration
I feel like just having the hidden key compartment is enough. If I was trying to get in and realized the thing was a fingerprint scanner I would just give up because there’s no key hole.
I've watched you from the beginning, not lately as I've been super busy the last several years. Congrats on your great success and 4 million+ subscribers !! My best to you and yours, raul
I have a use for this. My bedroom door has no lock. We have 2 little ones that get into everything we would like to lock the bedroom but make it easy for mom and dad to go in and out.
You should be able to replace the KiK. You'd want differing springs too, as well as replacing the pins. But I wouldn't recommend this lock. Get a regular steel one.
This lock is the definition of the quote "your security is only as good as your weakest link." You can have a really good fingerprint system but if your backup core is weak, then it nullifies that really good fingerprint system.
Different locks have different applications. What's interesting, is that I am going to buy this lock now. Why? I need something that stops a child or an intellectually disabled person from getting to some medications. But, with the fingerprint sensor, I will never have to worry about forgetting the keys. So despite the core being super easy to pick, it actually suits my purpose perfectly!
I think this would make a good internal door lock. Something where you want to stop someone from casually entering, but trust enough to already he inside your house. I would place this on an office or study door if I handle sensitive information, or I would place this to a door with dangerous items, especially if there are kids around.
That might be the first time it was a fluke. He accidentally touched the fingerprint scanner the first time and it turned green. Then again if that was enough to unlock it he probably would have noticed from prior testing.
To be honest, you only need a glimpse to those mechanical backup keys and you know the lock will be really bad. If they had standard shaped replaceable core, this would be a much better product. Some explanation about why this thing needs a smartphone app would have been nice. Did they really fail to figure out a way to learn new fingerprints without the smartphone?
The only thing I'm left wanting after watching SOME of LPL's smart lock videos... Is that I wish when the core turns out to be terrible... If he could let us know if it's a standard Kik cylinder that can be swapped for something way better, or at least re pinned.
Having to install an app is usually the point where any product gets noped, even if the concept was good. Only certain classes of home automation justify its own app (security systems, etc)
[12/03/22] It would be interesting to understand your reasoning for the installation of a locking device app to be "a non-starter". I have no doubts that there are some solid reasons.
I like that it's at least hidden. I suspect most potential thieves won't discover the core. Though I'd of course prefer a more pick resistant core (though I suppose, a deadbolt is more appropriate anyway; this lock seems more of an internal lock (such as for a home office), than as a means to secure your home).
1:07 LPL: "I'm going to use a turning tool and wave rake from the Genesis set." Lock immediately Beeps, Turns green and unlocks. :D It knows what it's about.
What would be very interesting would be to show if the terrible cores on units like this could be easily swapped out for something more secure, giving consumers their cool gadgets AND higher security.
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