This guy is living proof of what we say in IT security: If a malicious actor wants in, he'll find a way, don't doubt it. The best you can do is throw up as many roadblocks as you can to raise the skill ceiling it takes to get in and, if you're really good, alert you when he tries.
I used to believe this before but it's just not true, only the absolutely most skilled and governments have this ability. Otherwise we would have seen leaks from Elon Musk's iphone and computers (his security is a joke, doesn't even know how to hide from flight trackers or defend his family) Trump and Biden leaks from their devices, but all we got was the hunter Biden laptop after he literally physically gave it away unencrypted to a computer repair shop. These people are the most targeted in the world yet use inherently insecure devices, proprietary software, and poor infosec/cybersecurity practices.
@@neilaspin008 as Other Andrew said, ratelimit will slow Hydra down to a CRAWL. Also, account lockout after 3 failures, requiring an Admin to unlock. Have fun getting 3 attempts then waiting for the user to call IT again with "hey my account is locked out again" and that NOT raising red flags after the 5th time or so.
Well he said he already had some of the same locks, so the sticker is a more novel and exciting thing for him (or maybe not, given that he knew what solvent would work - granted I would have started with Isopropal alcohol or sticker remover since those are what I have laying around).
@@shiruba2004he likely looked up the kind of anti-taper sticker used. Found one that looked identical and then figured out the adhesive, and then from there it's pretty easy to figure out what kinds of solvents you need to dissolve it
So glad to see LPL uses his immense powers for good instead of evil BTW picking began at around 3:28 and took approximately 2 minutes 7 seconds including explanations.
I'm sad you didn't leave the shackle unlocked. Imagine how he would've felt seeing it arrive with the shackle open but the sticker seemingly untouched.
@@Max-vr6yf I don't know about this lock specifically but a lot of places produce a series of locks all of which use the same key. They're basically just clones of each other.
@@glenmatthes8839 if you want to include that, you s should subtract the time he spent explaining the stuff in between sticker removal and starting to pick... Basically, any time spent on just explaining should not be counted towards the total, because he didn't have to do that, it was for us - the audience. I'm quite confident it'd total more than 19 seconds.
There's nothing surprising about LPL opening the lock, but the confidence and effectiveness of the anti-tamper removal and reapplication was eye-opening.
It was either AvE or Dave at EEVBlog that made an anti-tamper sticker remover out of a piece of PTFE(Teflon). I made a couple and handed them out to my electronics repair friends. We've used them for years on the "warranty void if removed" stickers. At least until the law changed that those don't matter any more.
Anything without a security manned single entry point. He also can't defeat sound detection alarms and motion detector alarms that have backup power. To be fair, nobody can defeat those things without detection which is why the government uses all of those things for important areas/facilities.
@@snakezula anything is possible... harder to beat, yes, possible ...sure it is as you mentioned... backup power (weakness), batteries runs out, gasoline runs out, so one day the bakup drains... goodbye sensors...... just a matter of time.... by any chance you know, most sensors work in a temperature range ( most electonics does) so a temperature change can kil the sensors the back up, and everything else.... it is easy... if was locked by a human... can be unlocked
How does one get them in Texas? I needed some for a project once and to my surprise I couldnt buy them from pharmacies. Its incredible I can get a a liter of 95% food grade ethanol, but I cant get tiny metal funnel... im sure I can get them on the internet, I cant imagine possession of them would be illegal
@@ch4.hayabusa try hardware stores, isopropyl alcohol is also a common name for it, it shouldn't be hard to find (you might need to buy a syringe separately though)
@@ch4.hayabusa You can't buy needles in texas without a prescription, due to drog paraphernalia laws. In my country there is a law that you can't sell, buy or fabricate lockpicks for a similar reason. If they catch you with one, it is pressuposed you have them with the intent to commit a crime and you have to prove you have no criminal intent. Guilty until proven innocent. You will just have to buy online, and be ok with possibly breaking the law. Needless to say, this is not legal advice.
@@Alkis05 Honestly you could just get a small craft syringe instead. Its more about control of the alcohol than the syringe 'piercing' anything. It'll probably a bit more messy than what LPL did but you'll basically get the same effect
@@ch4.hayabusa The 95% ethanol from the bottle shop is suitable. Empty syringes and blunt needle tips are commonly used in the electronics industry. Try a soldering supply house or eBay.
It depends on the nature of the challenge. If goal of the challenge is *purely* to test whether you can break in, then sure. If the goal of the challenge is to test a certain skill-set or skill level, then you can absolutely apply any arbitrary rules you want (e.g.: their 3 minute rule) and disqualify violations of those rules as "cheating". Just depends on the goal of the challenge and any rules we don't know about that they established ahead of time.
Imagine if instead of peeling the sticker he sent the lock back open but with the sticker intact before publishing the video. That guy would be so confused :D
well, the obvious and correct conclusion would have been that LPL bypassed the security. That he did not shim or use magnets, but simple peeled the sticker, well: eitherway.
Package includes the Viewer's phone number and social security number. With the enclosed letter: "All security methods are vulnerable to something Ben. -Mr. LPL"
@@dissrapsThat's... kind of the point of locks? Get one good enough that it would be faster to just cut the lock. Any determined thief will get through your locks, the point of locks and stuff is to make it look less worth it to do so.
No one's talking about how LPL narrowly avoided having his location given to some creep. It's really smart of him to open and inspect every package at the P.O. box.
Yeah creepy indeed, but let's be serious. He appeared on conferences and his name must be known. As a lawyer he is in an exposed position to the public anyway. Probably you could just look up his address in a breached database like equifax
@@Peter22334 What? Maybe Im wrong but I always made the assumption he is called "lock picking lawyer" because there is no lock he can't pick, so he can lawyer then so to speak, just a play on words and a catchy name.... Not that he is an actual lawyer that also lock picks
I'm working on this model of lock right now. After only a few hours, spread over a few days, I can confidently manipulate each disc - but I cannot, as yet, feel the feedback that LPL makes seem so darn obvious and easy. I'm hoping to get the feel for it within 100 hours over the next couple of months.
Should have opened the lock, put a solid washer on the shackle, and sent it back with the sticker intact. Let the guy figure that one out. Lol, good show LPL, I appreciate you.
How scared must that guy who sent him a tracking device be now! LPL knows you tried some shady shit! You still don't know where he is, but I'm sure, given everything we've seen him do, he will find you! And now you wait for the man who can bypass any lock, owns guns and is a LAWYER to make his next move! Someone should make a suspense/thriller movie about what this guy must be thinking lmfaooooo
@@JS-rv3et I was assuming he used a fake return address if he included one at all. It's LPL though... if he REALLY wanted to, I think he could find him was my point 😉
And LPL spoke at a cybersecurity conference. Physical locks are not the only security under his scrutiny. I wouldn't want to be the mad bastard that'd try this shit on LPL. Solid 10/10 yikes from me, dawg.
The LockPickingLawyer is not only a master in picking locks, he is also a master in passive-aggressive takedowns of people that doubt his capabilities. 😂👍
I started picking locks a couple years ago after watching a couple of your videos, you are the GOAT at picking locks and I have learned alot from your videos, thanks man.
You could tell by his voice that he genuinely liked the challenge. Seeing a tamper resistant label being removed and then being put back on was an extra bonus of fun. Some how you made my day. BTW I saw no cheating here. What I saw was knowledge used wisely.
I think he meant that he was showing he could have cheated off camera because he was demonstrating he could remove and replace the sticker without it falling apart but I obviously don't think he would cheat anyways
the cheating on the rules the viewer said... Because he was confident he could beat it (as he said he already had several of those locks), he didn't time it and sent it back to him anyway. He decided to use it pure because of the smart thinking, and the tamper sticker was a good chance to prove even something as common as a tamper sticker can be defeated.
A true lawyer Derives extreme fun and satisfaction by finding ways to bend the rules and demonstrate how a bit of creative interpretation can get you very far!
@@TheCorshipWhy? He didn't remove the sticker from the cartoon, as it is told! He just removed the cartoon from the sticker, which he had to, to show how poor of a security measure it is😜
I have been watching your videos for years. I tip my hat off to you fella for showing us all how unsafe locks are really. Keep up the great work and God bless too. Peace vf
those stickers are not enforceable (at least in europe, even if those stickers are peeled warranty must be upheld until they can prove the device was tampered with.
@@tugahenrik1 Last year, I've bought a laptop which acted somewhat fishy, even though I've bought it at a respectable store and it was a well-known brand. Box was sealed too. So after I've taken it apart very carefully (to check like WTF is happening with it), I've noticed that the warranty sticker was... pre-teared, if I might say. Talk about customer service! Then I've noticed that there's a huge design error made in the cooling, so I've put everything back together and returned it.
I don't know how, but the algorithm suggested a video of yours from over a year ago so I decided to watch it. 4 hours later and I'm still watching. Luckily I didn't have to work today. These are some of the most satisfying videos I've ever had the pleasure of bingeing! Liked and subbed after 2 minutes!
I still think that's a pretty good lock. Took much longer than a lot of them and used a highly specialized tool. Given that LPL isnt part of my threat model, I figure it's pretty safe.
Many skilled locksmiths will know this technique and have a similar tool and some of them may be part of your threat model. But I do agree this is a pretty decent lock. Will stop the average lockpicker. Just be aware that many thieves will carry a battery powered grinder and just grind off the lock or latch anyway. So cover those over with hardened steel to make the job too much effort for them to bother. My father welded a hardened steel box that fits over and around the latch and lock on a shipping container with the bottom of the box open so you can put the key up into the lock. Makes it really hard to grind the latch.
It’s a good note for other online personalities who use PO Boxes to help obscure their identities. Tracking devices (I’m assuming an AirTag) are pretty cheap and pretty much disposable now. Assume anything people send could be “bugged” and act accordingly. A determined bad actor could even arrange a stake-out of a PO Box. If you have to do this, consider a remailing service that opens and thoroughly checks for anything untoward before forwarding it along, and even then take precautions.
your attention to detail and techniques are amazing the sticker was upside down lol but that's fine! you intended to tear it off to teach us thank you for that!
really sorry to hear about the tracking device situation. some people have to be freaks and ruin everything for the rest of us. well, anyway, great video as always!
@@SuperMrgentleman yes you could, you could also do it with a signal scrambler. Both of which are extremely easy to manufacture and illegal so I wouldn’t recommend it. When in doubt, sledgehammer it out.
@@donlesley1873 or just throw it into a faraday cage. Potato chip bag should be enough to block gps, but there are dedicated products made to stop cellphones from working
Today I have learned more about tamper seals than locks and that's gonna be extremely helpful. Thanks LPL! (For the record, it's not like I don't need to know about locks, just I already know loads about then from every other video)
This is so hilarious. LPL is just the embodiment of chaotic neutral. He get's asked to try to pick the lock, for security it's locked by a tamper-seal. Not only does he prove he would be able to remove the seal without any sign, he continues to destroy the seal later just to prove its normal function. Then he doesn't just pick the lock, he does under the given timelimit. Then he doesn't keep the lock, but sends it back anyway. LPL, you are a madman and we all love you for it.
@@nknumero I guess you are new to youtube then. Idk why we make these sensibles assumptions, but hey. And tbf, ive been watching his Videos for 3-4 years now, idk what your comment is trying to achieve
I fail to understand this challenge? If we are trying to pick a lock to gain entry, what will a tamper sticker do? That sticker is not keeping the door locked, and the first thing a real burglar would do is poke a hole in that sticker. So what was the point again? If he wanted him to pick the lock without using the keyhole? To prove what? Why not weld the lock shut? It will prevent him from picking it, but it would also make it impossible to use the lock, so again, pointless.
@@alphagt62 I believe it's more of a, "no one has tampered with the lock from me to you." It was in no way a challenge to LPL, but he felt the need to challenge himself and explain how warranty stickers are easily beaten.
@@daveyognaught9784 it definitely *was* a challenge to LPL lol First of all, no one is going to tamper with the lock mid-travel, that doesn't make any sense. Second, if someone did, what could they do? Open it? Reclose it? It's not like theyre gonna repin it and send it back along to LPL or something :'D The whole point of the tamper sticker was to know for sure whether LPL had gotten the lock and then practiced on it learning how to defeat it quickly, that's the entire reason people want to send him sealed packages, it's part of the challenge. Obviously he killed the challenge either way, but the sticker was definitely entirely for him.
@@novicedroner2629 they're still useful for certified devices like medical equipment, where unauthorised modification can be extremely harmful. For warranties though, absolutely, they're just something to scare people.
Tiers of lock security, from least to most secure: - Pick Proof - Pick Resistant - Duct Tape Wrapped - LPL Resistant - LPL Proof (must be welded shut and buried under 10 feet of concrete)
In LPL's voice: ... we tap here, we're still over concrete, ... we tap here, we're still over concrete, ... we tap here, and here we are, past the edge of the concrete slab. Now we find the bottom edge.....
In my (different) business I tell my customers that anything is possible given enough of my time and enough of their money. Once they discover the cost, their inquiry almost always gets rescinded.
Merry Christmas to you and your family lpl. You have given me something pretty random to bond with my boss over which is your channel, so thank you for that
Idk. Digital video editing tools have around since at least I was a kid and I'm 45. Seriously though, his type of content is better without too much editing. Afterall he is trying to be as transparent as possible with the process. Also, printing an email takes about 10 secs. Still faster than editing in a screenshot. My dad would simply point the camera at his display to show us the email. 🤣
@@CynHicks Printing it out and then later setting it up in the video is probably way more effort than editing it in in post using a quick Windows+Shift+S (or the equivalent for other OSes). About 3 seconds to take a snippet, and 5 seconds to change windows and paste it into a video editor of choice, with at most 20 seconds for setting how long it appears, where it appears, et cetera. Printing it out also requires taking a snippet, changing windows, etc., plus the time it takes to print and then smoothly integrating the print into the video, which isn't necessarily hard, but still higher effort due to the fact that you have added an extra factor of failure in an one-shot video. Not saying editing is easy, it's not, but in this particular case it is.
@@Ze_eT I know how to use video editors, image editors and DAWs. I have experience with CAD and Unreal Editor also. Quite a bit of experience actually. I stand by what I wrote in the context I wrote it. Thanks for your opinion though.
Every year at Christmas, my grandmother insists on very carefully opening her presents because she doesn't want to tear the pretty paper. The second she breaks out the denatured alcohol, I'm switching exclusively to gift bags.
I was thinking he should open the lock, lock something with it, put the tamper seal back, and return the lock along with the attached locked item. But putting it back to show us the seal actually does work if not defeated was nice, too.
@@tsuchan I'd think he would have gotten the lock back before the video was posted. Most creators have several videos made in advance. I don't know if LPL does that or not.
@@joshl90 I'll try. I don't know if the comment will be deleted, so I'll post it in the next comment. If you don't see it, that means it has been automatically deleted.
Just google something like "does removing a security sticker void your warranty": and find something like this: Most consumers don't know that these stickers are actually illegal-and that's because manufacturers don't want you to. Under the 1975 Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, the Feds mandated that you can open your electronics without voiding the warranty, regardless of what the language of your warranty says. Oct 11, 2018
I'm going to look up how a disk lock works. I'm intrigued that you had to use a special tool I've never seen before to get this lock open. This might be one of the more secure padlock due to so few knowing how to open just the normal locks, let alone ones like these. Thank you LPL. It's always a treat to watch your videos and I think it's long over due that I subscribe already. 😁😉
Hey, LPL did have to bring an addition tool though. And a tool full of stuff that he would need to refill. So they do make it less likely that your stuff got tampered.
I believe that that is exactly what would give him away, if it's too perfect then it limits the possible thieves to the one person who would put it back just so he could take it again to prove "it's not a fluke"...
@@leeuwengames315 Eh, I don't mind having my own fingerprints on my own duck-taped door. It'd still reduce wear-and-tear on the edges of the duck tape.
@@1971merlin I'm obligated to point out that "duck tape" (made from cotton duck cloth with a rubber/plastic/polyethylene coating) and "duct tape" (made from adhesive metal foil) are _both_ real things, and are two completely different kinds of tape. Duck tape tends to disintegrate over time when applied to ducts, which is why duct tape should be used _on ducts_ instead. Duck tape is more water-resistant, so it's better suited for doors (and coincidentally, ducks) than duct tape. ...also, there is duck tape which _is_ designed for use on ducts (it handles high and low temperatures better than standard duck tape), so "duck duct tape" also exists.
Really enjoy your videos. Really want get Lil starter setup and start practicing. This has got to be asmr for me never knew meaning of it this has got to be the feeling people get when something is asmr for them
Please consider the prize for finding LPL in his home without an invitation. He is a heavily security minded individual who trains with firearms. For your own safety, leave the man in peace.
@Bobb Grimley Tracker is located in the bottom of a pit in the middle of the woods. No one around, no sign of activity nearby, nothing happens if you climb in and pick up the tracker chip, but it's just about the message it sends.
Really, someone who would do this is creepy. Very much BEYOND using clues to determine locations (like folks do on the geography-guessing websites). Where I live, "criminal invasion of privacy is a misdemeanor"--I don't know if sending someone a CONCEALED TRACKER technically fits the definition, but it certainly seems extreme...
@@kenc2257 I think that he's probably quite used to this, unfortunately. As he is involved in legal work, he likely has an entire security routine right in the Post Office to ensure his own safety at home.
"denatured alcohol" he said it in the video. it is ethanol that has additives to make it poisonous, bad-tasting, foul-smelling, or nauseating to discourage its recreational consumption.
It would be a flex, 'to the sender' but the viewers could simply say that it was not likely working after that. He avoided flexing to curb the ugly nay sayers.😉
@@constantin2449 Some people might argue that the rubbing alcohol damaged the adhesive and made it no longer stick to the lock properly after he reapplied it. You and I know that isn't what happens but other people don't have that nugget of knowledge to work with.
"... Nothing on two, three is binding... Let's go back to the beginning.... And that's how you-" [Universe disappears in a poof, only to come back the way it was] "Let's do that again to prove this wasn't a fluke."
Dude, gotta love LPL. "There's this expensive lock with tamperproof sticker!", - videos is literally seven minutes long. And more than half of it was spent on talking about the lock, rather than picking it.
It actually seems like a rather good lock, as our LPL used a 'special' of a tool that not too many actual burglars would have ina pocket, or, the finesse to say "that's a false gate...that's a true gate..." Total Respect for knowledge, experience, and subtlety!
Not really much of a special tool when you can buy similar ones on ebay/aliexpress, etc... It's slightly longer to tension on the second pin instead of the first but I doubt that makes too much of a difference
@@DrakeOola if you can't tension off the first disc then it accounts for literally the entire pick-ability of the lock. Also, most people trying to break into your shit aren't going to come prepared with that tool in the first place, especially a niche variant of an already niche tool.
@@DrakeOola Most of the time if a burglar or thief really wants your stuff, they'll just break the lock or remove the hardware the lock goes into. Thieves are lazy and almost never try picking. Why bother picking when an angle grinder is faster and easier.
@@GOTHICforLIFE1 that's true, the only time I can imagine a thief using picking is when they want to keep a low profile and can't use destructive attacks. For almost everything else though, much easier and faster to just break in.
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