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I am 71 years old so I was brought up that the .177 was the only "real" airgun. I use a 1377 in my living room where i have a 12 ft range so I don't even have to stand up to shoot. If I were to go out hunting with a pistol I would absolutely use the 1322 instead, I want to get one anyway.
Years ago, tried experimenting with 177 on the trapline (hoping to lessen pelt damage). Field experience dictates strongly to me that the .22 is the thing for animal harvesting.
Aint a mousebor rat easier to penetrate that bunch of feathers? Never shot a bird but shot a mouse with 177. And pellet passed though it. Wasn't instant death obviously but shots besides headshots rarely are. Unless you use a real gun because then there's nothing left of it.
Not saying it cannot be done because I have killed dozens but it usually took more than one shot but the .177 on a pigeon is almost inhumane. .22 much nicer with the benjamin 392. One and done every time.
Wingman115 And a few big bores for the more difficult targets! I'm testing out my homemade .50cal pcp rifle tomorrow, will have a video up on it very soon!
Hey Wingman! I'm all for the 22 cal pellet guns, especially for hunting. Let me tell you about an experience I had while squirrel hunting. I bought my 1st air rifle about 10 years ago. After a lot of searching and comparing I bought an RWS Diana break barrel in 177 cal. Practiced and practiced and got pretty good with it. First time out squirrel hunting I saw 2 greys come across a ravine and jump up on a log about 15 yards in front of me, chewing on nuts. I did it all right. I aimed at one of the the squirrels, squeezed the trigger, and pop! I heard the unmistakable thud when the pellet hit him, and he fell over the back of the log. The other squirrel sat there confused, and I slowly and meticulously broke the barrel of my RWS and loaded another pellet and drew down on the 2nd grey. Pop, then another unmistakable thud as the pellet hit him and knocked him over the back of the log. I waited about 10 minutes, to give them time to bleed out. When walked up to the log and slowly looked over the log, one of the squirrels looked up at me, took off running, then ran up a tree about 40 yards away, and about 20 foot up the tree went into a hole! After a few choice words, I looked over the log again and the other grey looked up at me, took off running, ran up the same tree and went into the same hole the 1st squirrel went into! Again a few choice words! I went home and the next week, sold my 177, bought a Benjamin Marauder in 22 cal, and haven't looked back! I do have a couple of 177's but they are collectors air guns only! Only the 22 cal for me, for hunting anyway! Thanks for your time. John from Cedar Rapids, IA.
I started out with 177 for the inexpensive ammo available and flat trajectory. I also love to punch paper and at that time thought little in the way of pest control. I now live outside the city and recently purchased a 22 and wow what a difference when it comes to knock down power. I don't believe I waited this long, so bottom line is get both. I like the 177 for teaching and target work and 22 although can be used for those things I prefer to use them in the field.
I use both calibres. I used to prefer the .22 but decided a few years back to balance out and get into .177 too. They're very similar in effectiveness against small game, but refreshingly different in terms of accuracy and velocity.
With either one - I would put a shoulder stock on them (and a scope). You just can't hold it steady enough as a pistol. You can't go wrong with either one! As with ANY hunting situation, shot placement is the key!
I'm a .22 fan boy. love the .22 for target, plinking and hunting. I do have one .177 rifle and a few .177 pistols, but I always prefer my .22. I think it's a generation thing, I've grown up with .22 rifles.
I use the airgun for pest control around the house and property. When you think about that there is no better way to go than .22 calibre. The one thing you don't want to happen is to cause the pest to suffer from pain. With .22 calibre it's one shot and goodnight Irene. Also, you don't want to have that injured animal to scamper off into your drywall and dying, only for you to have to tear apart a wall to get to the critter and chase again. There is nothing worse than the smell of a dead mouse in your house.
Yeah i shot a mouse with 177. Pointy pellet and it took about 30sec for the mouse to die. After the hit it wasn't able to run anymore but it could take minutes for it to die depending where you hit. My pellet hit the longs and passed through so it bled a bit though its nose but still 30 sec probably is quite quick. Air rifle with scope probably would be ideal so you can shoot more vital spots. 22. Is definately better for pest control and causes less suffering but still probably not instant death but that's just how it is. Cat had fun with a dead mouse after outside at least.
@@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830 Would also suspect a bit more thump with a bit less pass through with the slower 22. Bout like comparing a 9mm vs 45ACP
I have both 22 and 177 and I prefer the 177. it shoots faster and further. seems to be more accurate. the 22 is good for close range but the 177 wins on distance.
A pellet rifle or pistol is great to keep your shooting skills sharp. I have pistols and rifles in both calibers. Both require proper pellet placement. For distance I would go with the 177. For larger game, I would use the 22. I cant really say which is better as both have taken a bunch of game and pests. Saving up for my next rifle, a 25 caliber springer. Should be interesting.
Your comment about how cheaper and "richer" things were back in the days and we could afford them, was so nostalgic to me too. So, political correctness and expensiveness is worldwide. Not only in Europe that I have always thought. Greetings from Greece!
I am a 177 fan.. All things being equal the 177 steps out ahead... the only advantage a 22 has is at closer ranges with blunt force trauma, however a pass through the heart or brain with a 177 still is a kill... a 177 starts to show its strengths at distances beyond 20 yards... All things have terminal velocity and the 22 will reach terminal velocity sooner thus it will slow down quicker and loose more energy the further the distance gets... For example shooting a 16 grain from both the 177 and 22 the muzzle energy and velocity will be almost identical however at 50 yards the 177 will be going fast and retain more energy... The flatter shooting will also mean less misses because of misjudged distances.. Also the 177 requires less energy to penetrate so at distances if it is going fast and retaining more energy then it will penetrate much easier and way deeper... shooting small pigs could extend your killing distance to a greater distance because it could penetrate the skull easier and get into the brain. It takes less force to drive a 10 penny nail than a spike... If you are going to go ratting at 10 to 15 yards then fine the 22 will blast the hell out of them but for long shots on jack rabbits, coon, smaller ferrule pigs then the 177 will have a higher velocity and more energy and penetrate easier and deeper and shoot flatter... And in reality you may also find that some lighter bullets in 177 will deliver way more energy than heaver 22 caliber at longer ranges... Physics and terminal velocity do not lie... If you took a 16 grain 177 and 16 grain 22 and dropped them out of an airplane the 177 would hit the ground sooner because the 22 will reach terminal velocity sooner and not be able to increase its speed and slow down much sooner than the 177... You can see this in action by taking two balloons and blow one up and leave the other unblown and drop them both at the same time and the unblown balloon will hit the ground sooner because the one that is blown up hit terminal velocity and can't go any faster toward the ground... everything drops at 32 feet per second and increased by that same amount for each second until terminal velocity is reached and it cant' go any faster because of the resistance of air.. so the first second it will drop 32 feet the next second it will drop and additional 64 feet and the next second it will drop and additional 96 feet and continue until it can't go any faster... that is its terminal velocity, when the body in motion is slowed down because of the air resistance... a larger diameter bullet of equal weight and design will slow down more and quicker than a smaller diameter bullet... thus it will have less velocity, less energy retention and less penetrating properties.. so a 177 will best a 22 at any distance... And who shoots anything at muzzle... so even at close range the 177 will still kill just as effectively, you may get more pass through and not blow a rat half way across the yard but the rat is still dead with his heart or brain torn to shreds... and you won't break every bone in his body but he is still dead... So if you are not a good shot then keep your distances close and use a 22 if you are a half way decent shot then use a 177 for all distances... and you will kill game at further distances... and also have less misses attributed to a flatter trajectory with misjudged distances... You can't cheat science no matter how much you want to..
Jim Richard I respect what you're trying to say but you're way off... all pellets leave the muzzle at their maximum velocity... they don't increase as they go farther. Being dropped from a plane and being shot from a barrel are two completely different things. The .22 will always retain more energy down range because it's heavier plain and simple. It takes more velocity for a .177 to reach the energy of a .22. Will it shoot flatter yes if you're comparing them with their energy. But if you shoot both a .177 and .22 at 900fps the .177 will lose energy quicker because it will lose velocity quicker then a heavier pellet. And finally a .177 will over penetrate more than a .22 because it has less surface area. When it comes to air guns you want most of the energy to transfer on your quarry. .22 may penetrate less, at certain velocities, but will create a bigger cavity for a quicker dispatch.
Same rifle only different cal. .177 cal with JSB 13,43 has muzzle velocity of 807 and fpe of 19, and 50 yards downrange it has 607 velocity and 11 fpe. on the other hand a .22 with JSB Express 14.30 grains has a muzzle velocity of 708 and fpe of 16 and downrange to 50 yards it has 547 for velocity and 10 fpe... If the 177 shoots an equal weight bullet of the same design it will travel fast and hit harder than the .22 because there is less wind resistance and the .22 slows down too quickly.... obviously if you shoot a .177 with 7 grains vs the .22 with 18 grains then the .22 will have more energy but that is not comparing apples with apples... but if you shoot similar weight pellets then the .177 will dominate and also penetrate deeper and easier because of the smaller diameter and at 50 yards they claim that it takes the .22 an extra 3 to 4 foot pound to equal the penetrating properties of the .177, again smaller diameter will penetrate easier and deeper if the weight of the bullet is about equal... In order to leave the energy in your game is only a matter of bullet type... pointed vs round nose vs hollow point... .177 also has many more variety of pellet weights and styles than are offered with the .22... If you can't penetrate and reach the vitals then you only wound an animal.. so which one of equal weight will bust through skull and other bones easier - .177... They claim that it takes only 5 fpe to kill a rabbit with good shot placement that means that the .177 can dispatch a rabbit at around 135 yards with a pellet weighing around 13 to 14 grains, because at that range it has 5 fpe... and the .22 with 14-15 grain pellet, at that 135 yards only has about 3 to 4 fpe (and it may not penetrate properly to get into the vitals)... You may also want to consider trajectory, the .177 shoots much flatter than the .22 of equal weight bullets which means you could miss a shot because of misjudged distances with a .22 and with a .177 that is not such a critical issue... A .177 can break 1 inch disc at 20,30,40 yards (about the size of a rabbits heart), where as the .22 will break the 20 and 40 and shoot right over the 30 yard one... because of its bell shaped trajectory... a miss is a miss is a miss... no matter if you tried to shoot it with a tank... Each to his own and if you like the .22 them by all means use one but I prefer the .177 because of all the benefits and also it extends your kill range from 5-10 yards over a .22... This same argument went on years ago with the 270 vs the 30-06, and we all know how that turned out... the 30-06 had more energy and shock at closer ranges but at longer distances the 270 showed it's dominance... and also at close ranges the 270 had more than adequate energy (even though the 30-06 had more)... But if you paired the 270 with 140 grains and the 30-06 with 150 grains then the 270 was very close to the same energy at close ranges but again showed it's true colors when the distances were stretched to 400 and 500 yards... So there ya have it... I will stick with .177 all day... Which would you want to get hit with, a golf ball or a softball if they were thrown with the same amount of force... I think the golf ball would hurt a great deal more... and the golf ball will travel further and slow down less than the softball..
Jim Richard the .270 shined because it has a better ballistic coefficient, better ballistic coefficient better down range energy because the BC makes a bullet retain its velocity better at long distance. But you can't compare pellets to bullets they're apples vs oranges. With pellets, the shape and weight affects its BC typically round nose pellets have a better BC and a heavier pellets increases it. A .22 jsb has a better bc than a .177 jsb period. Of course if you shoot these two caliber from the same power platform the .177 will shine no doubt about it. I prefer the .22 because I don't shoot em from low powered airguns, each caliber is restricted to a certain energy and a heavier .22 shot at 900fps will have way more energy then a .177 shot at 900fps, more energy, more damage, more penetration etc.. bigger is better when it comes to pellets. A .25 will outperform a .22 in every way as well
Jim Richard you don't want to dispatch a rabbit with the minimal power it takes to take one out. At 135 yd what's the chance you'll actually hit it? Let's talk realistically here not numbers. Even for my $1300 .22 I would never take a shot at a rabbit past 100 yd
you asked for opinion why you/me/us all like .22 or .177 ....ok here we go i am from germany and we have pretty strict gun laws , you can buy an airgun " free " when its muzzle energy is less than 7,5 j ..thats about roughly 5,5 foot pound...or 175 m/s which is about 575 fps ....if you want to stay in the legal limits , ..you can imagine what " average " trajectory you get in an air rifle in .177 and what " under average " trajectory in .22 ......no need to talk about .25 ..... so there are some reasons to go with .177 . - cheap ....the cheapest pellets are about 3 Euro / tin of 500 ...which is about 3 dollar and about 15 or 20 cent actual - flatest trajectory in " legal " limits - highest variety of pellets - 10 meter match.............intl. standard match so away from the match .....let me tell you something about my air rifles i own - diana 48 bought used in a pretty bad shape , tuned with a custom "oiled wood " style stock , new seals , new spring , utg droop compensator rail , medium rings and swfa ss 16x 42 scope .....pretty nice gun , shoots well , is a lot of fun because it has a lot of recoil ( pg2 tune) and the pretty old awfull trigger ( i am looking forward to change to a t06 system ) ..sometimes i hate it to shoot .But is demanding ....so i pretty much like it for that ! - FWB 601 ( Feinwerkbau ) a former Recoilles precompression match rifle , it is like a single shot pcp with less power , due to match regulations it has exact 7,5 j and i measured it on 10 shots with a non noticable deviation , if you put in in a gun vise and use wadcutters at 10 meter , you have basicly ONE hole in the diameter of the wadcutter ! it is field target converted with a falcon 5-25x 50 ffp side focus on it , and with H&N field target trophy 4,51 0,56 g pellets at 50 m ( 55yard) it shoots group ( in a vise ) less than 10 mm - weihrauch hw 80 ( beeman r1 ) ...mostly standard except for a 3-9x42 scope .....going to sell . a friend of me uses a weihrauch hw 97k in .25 with 7.5 j standard spring , he was " blinded " by the heavy pellet and the theoretical stability and knockdown power . my holdover at 50 meters with the fwb ( 30m zeroed ) is about 3,2-3,5 mils or about 17 cm.....and it hits ( kneeling or prone ) consistant targets in 10-15 mm ( about 1/2 inch ) the 25 is zeroed at 30 m too and his holdover is more than 1 meter ! a hit is almost coincident . his pellets land 2meter in front or 3 meters behind the target ( usualy standing bottle caps on a magnetic plate ) so ...i dont go for a hunt or shoot at animals at all ...i like the .177 for plinking more for " extreme " long range shooting ( 75 m or more ) the .177 is not the best , because it looses so much speed , but you need at least 12 foot pound of energy in a 22 to have an advantage for longer ranges , so if you want to stay legal ....no way if you have more power in a 22 , its ( for me ) wasted energy for plinking , target shooting or field target . more power in a .177 gives you the opportunity to get a flat trajetory and stay safely subsonic with heavier pellets for stability . regards , eddie
I was going to add, that on Pigman's channel he has a vid of him taking a wild pig with a gamo silent cat (I believe) using only a .177 pellet. Shot placement really is the Golden Rule. I Love your channel, man. Keep it up ad I'll keep coming back :-) And I'm a sucker for airgun stuff :-)
1322 for very close range. 1377 to 25 yards, lights out tree rats! Velocity is king with rws 8.3 grain. Not whimpy 7.9 crosman crap pellets, that my crosman gun hates. 2.5" group at 10 yards is B.S. How about 7/8" group at 30 yards? My 1377 does that. Try it with a 1322. No way. E=mc^2. Higher speed = more mass. More accurate. The point is to hit the target, period. A fast .177 to a tree rat is like a 50 cal bullet to your gut. Think about proportions. Also, 22 LR kills wild hogs and 500 pound alligators all day long. Velocity wins, just keep the pellets below 1125 fps and nail that tree rat!
Wingman, I think that one advantage that the .177 size has over .22 is that you can fire pellets AND BBs. I don't have a preference, but I'd like to try a .22. The more mass pellet has, the better stopping power at close range, perfect for varmints and other targets. It goes without saying, of course, that a .22 carbine or rifle trumps them all!
I disagree I've been shooting air rifles and pistols for over 58years I have RWS . crossmans. sheradin. Bengimen. 177 cal 20 cal 22 cal I prefer 177 cal took many game with the 177 cal squirrels . grouse. Rabbits. Racoons. ECT . It's more accurate I've proven that with 22 shooter's my second choice should be 20 cal.
I really like both, each for their own purpose really, the .177 is nicer in my opinion to punch small holes in paper. Most importantly for me is perhaps that if I have guests over its really simple to explain to them "only shoot the reactive targets on the right side with the .177". They will easily hold up to my old break barrel, crosman 1377, crosman 1077, etc. Most will even handle the Weihrauch HW35 in that caliber. However those targets will certainly get wrecked pretty fast when shooting them repeatedly with the Weihrauch HW97k, gamo coyote or benjamin marauder pistol in .22 cal. Fortunately I do have a few more robust targets beyond just paper set up on the left side that can handle everything I've thrown at it so far with only minor maintenance being needed. For active hunting I suppose I would be inclined towards a .22 or .25 PCP or if I want a self contained powerplant an underlever spring .22 rifle like the HW97K. However hunting laws are pretty restrictive here, not allowed with airguns and you have to apply for a hunting permit and go through some more hassles for the guns and permission to hunt in certain areas etc. If I had to though I'm fairly confident I could get the pellet to land on target, been doing enough outdoor shooting with various wind conditions varying from short to a decent 50-60 meters regularly. Judging the distance reliably and fast in an unknown area is a skill that'd be sorely lacking though since I usually use the same place for that and know how far all the objects are apart (markers along the wall every 5 meters for my own convenience). Of all things getting that down might just be the hardest one, ofcourse I suppose I could cheat with a laser rangefinder. It might be an excessive collection just for punching holes in paper and shooting more interesting targets that do something, but I've found that its a good way to relax after having thought way too much about stuff during the day at work. And at the same time get a little bit of light physical activity done rather than sit at the couch watching tv after being stuck at the desk all day at work.
I think companies put the highest number FPS for regulation perpose , not that they are lieing to us but more to protect them from law suits , people sue for stupid sh#t so im sure its more about protecting them selfs more then fooling you into buying a gun , i will tell you this , i dont care what the fps is on a air gun , i buy them because i love to shoot them . I have many blowback pistols and i will say this ,my solid plastic non blowback guns shoot way higher fps them the blowback so does that mean its better ? Look if your looking to use it for hunting then go buy a riffle and dont be stupid and think pistols are for hunting , they are for plinking , if you want to kill stuff then get something thats says 1000 fps on the box not 500 .
I shoot both hunting yes .22 but accuracy on .177 can off set. I have 50/50 but I have kille dchocks with 177 but you are correct .22 is more forgiving.
177 for me. Im a target shooter, don't hunt other than the occasional nuisance rodents (even a bb going anything over 500fps put right behind a rat's eye will usually go right through its head killing it instantly. Though i prefer pellets for that use) so knock-down power isn't really a pressing concern for me. So for (both guns and ammo) the price, availability and that pinpoint accuracy I don't seem to get with .22 I go .177. Oh and for some guns the ability to go pellet or bb is a nice option.
177. Better penetration. Flatter trajectory. Cheaper ammo. More options because if you shoot a 177 hollow point it is like a 22 cal and you can shoot a heavy pellet which means good penetration and less fpe loss due to less surface area. Doesn't get bucked in the wind as much too. Am I right on that one? Less surface area less like a kite? Why is a 22 better? Over all poundage because Pcp s are more efficient shooting heavy and big pellets... I think. That's the only thing. A little more accuracy from the ability of not having to shoot a hollow point. But I think the trajectory factor outweighs this. Let's hear yours.
Its all depends on the fps if you got a 700+ fps 22 airgun its gonna be better then a 1000 fps 177 airgun. If you have a weaker 22 such as the crossman it would not have the same devistating effect as a higher velocity 177.
.22 for most small game hunting is the way to go. .177 is fine for head shots on small pest birds and chipmunks at close range.AA 410 FAC .22Browning mag pistol .22Crosman 1322 backpacker with steal breach kit / scope .22Crosman T4 .177
.177 makes more sense for pistols since pistols are fairly weak and are meant for shooting planks instead of hunting. The flatter trajectory with a .177 pellet is more forgiving when trying to be accurate. If you really want to hunt game, then a rifle that fires either .177 or .22 pellets would be much more logical than a pistol that fires .22 pellets. So I feel the 1322 is more niche as it doesn't beat the 1377 in terms of accuracy and it doesn't beat a rifle for hunting; It's kinda stuck some where in between.
um might want to check your locals laws first just cause you can shoot pellet guns in your back yard in one country doesn't mean you can do it in another
In my municipal no shooting BB guns or bow & arrow. I am sure they have a law on the books that makes farting or belching in the backyard illegal too! SO, I have bought a house in the country. Shoot what ya like when ya like it! Can fart and belch too!
I'm sorry but I cant agree with your shooting at only 12 yards with the 1377 'because I have that gun it's my very favorite not for power but because my son gave one to me 4years ago 'and I killed the last turkey my mom had before she passed away at over 20 yards with it 'and that tells me they hit a lot harder then what I saw in you video 'I use Crossman 7.9 gran pellets I get at Wal-Mart .I have lots of other kinds of guns as well 'I have the hatsan 125 sniper /ruger black hawk elite both in .177 cal the hatsan is a deadly gun I know what you people think 'a girl shouldn't be using guns I also have a12 gage and a grizzly .50 cal I don't shot that thing first and last time I shot it it broke my shoulder 'so it just sits in my closet collecting dust 'im from Kodak Tennessee
Guy,gal,adult or child makes no difference! If someone is practicing safe handling and enjoys it,shooting is for them and I am for them doing so! Airguns are great therapy and I think back to my childhood and how dreadful it would have been without them. Also in the 90’s these guns were around and they were a bit different from what I remember but still a solid and accurate choice for those morning squirrel hunts! Regardless of what some may say about it,I think it’s awesome you are into it and it’s great that you actually seem to be educated and genuine about airguns
I hunt rabbits and use a 177 solely because the pellet travels flatter and further thus the need for less hold over at longer distances. My shots are very consistent and very accurate thus perfect head shots always guaranteeing a clean kill . I also use a 22 lr rimfire for winter as there is les less foliage to hide , 177 in summer, this gives me the ability to stalk my Quarry and bring the hunter instincts out , Back on the topic I also have a 22 air rifle and use this less, I do agree that it has a harder punch but but it seems to run out of steam and spits the pellet out a bit cumbersome compared to 177, this sead I live in the UK our limited laws to sub 12ftb may be the answer for low performance. 177 seems faster , flatter and a further performance caliber for me . Hope this helps my friend on the outside of the pond . God bless America
I'd go for the .177 now but I used to shoot nothing but .22's before and they are deadly at shorter ranges. I've grown older now and not a very effective stalker anymore so i'll shoot from longer distances with optics..great videos...
My .22 gives good results with lead round ball as well. If hunting, I strongly suggest that .22 cal. Tried using a .177 as a trapline tool once and was badly disappointed.
they both have a place. mice, rats, squirrel I like .177 for flat trajectory and accuracy. for racoon and such I like 22 for energy down range. I'm actually relatively new (6 years) for the .22. I grew up with the red Rider and the 1377 and have used both since. can't beat the red rider for a wake up when the horses are actin up.
I would take the 22 but what I would really like to see is someone make these things more balanced. I bought one from walmart a while back but it was so ridiculously unbalanced and impossible to be consistently accurate with I returned it and bought a ruger air riffle instead.
IDK, if you aren't really weak the balance and it's effects on accuracy is not a problem. The 13xx airguns are not very heavy and they are used accurately by many people including some kids. A technique to shoot accurately for those with weak wrists may be rested (for target practice) or two handed if no rest is available (for hunting). My Grand-kids over 10 years old and I don't find it impossible or even difficult at all to shoot it even if they need help to pump it!
I live in Illinois where air guns are regulated. 177 is cash and carry but 22 is treated like a fire arm. it stinks, but we are stuck. FYI I DON'T live in Chicago.
Same here. Also they require a foid for .177 over 700 fps. I've heard some stores don't ask for a foid afterall airguns aren't registered so idk. I'm sure online vendors would still ship to your house though. Going to try that.
.22 and up. Hatsans .22 bullboss puts out 38 foot pounds of energy and there .25 is around 45 foot pounds of energy. Bigger heavier pellet from a powerful gun results in longer range and the critter is gone almost instantly upon impact. 177 is strictly for small critters at close range and is for very precise shooters. Great for plinking. May work for some but not on my ammunition list. 22 and up for me.
I'm a reloader and cast bullet fan, I also have two air rifles in my collection. I've always been a fan of heavy bullets because they simply hit harder. This man is right for going to the .22 caliber. In my inventory, I have a Gamo Hunter extreme and a Benjamin Nitro Trail both in .22.
when i was a kid i had a .177 spring rifle and i've hunt a lot with it .22 were scarce. so i was a big fan of .177. Later on my 30's i got some .22 and i liked it very much, but at that time i wasn't a hunter any more. Nowadays in my 60's weapon laws are so restrictive in my country (Spain) they have spoil all the fun of air guns, can't hunt with an air rifle, can't shoot anywhere but in a range facility, and the most powerful airguns are cut down to a maximum 24 joules (17.7 foot-pound)
You are correct about the ammo prices. The prices Wingman115 was quoting for pellets used to be the price for a bulk box of 500 22 LR rounds. So it also sux that 500 pellets alone cost $10-12 and that is for standard designs, when you get into the newer offerings those prices climb as well.
own the 22 cal. pellet gun you show-- problem is noise, got hearing damage and the gun is to loud -- need some kind of silencer cheap thing to use, can't seem to find or build -- should be legal since it is an air gun-- any thoughts
.22 cal fanboi all the way... i own a beeman kodiak (springer) .177, a crosman 357 pistol .177(co2), and a crosman phantom .22 cal. and just as u said, .177 cal u have to be spot on with small game, but .22 has way more stopping power. and mods for any are rather simple. both my beeman and crosman were regulated at 495 fps, and my 357 pistol regulated at 450 fps. with a few easy tweeks i got my .22 cal phantom up to 680+ fps with normal lead pellets, by stretching the main spring, adding a little power spacer at the back of the spring and using high velocity pellets i have succeeded in over 750 fps with this cheep Chinese rifle. as for accuracy, its ok, still get the occasional flyers but still shoot a 10 shot grouping of a quarter size. now there is a few dozen squirrels and near 4 times as many crows less to pester me and rob my gardens. funniest thing is, i bought my .22 from walmart months before they stopped selling them here in canada, so now im lost to where i can replace the spring for a stronger one without so many hassles like customs at the border as for i cannot find a canadian outlet for spring rifles
thank you for the great video, as of right now im shooting .177, after seeing your video im going to have get a .22 as well my wife and i are just getting into the sport of air guns, we plan on teaching our kids
If the UK wasn't so paranoid I could enjoy my air guns but when you get a Firearms officer come to your door because you were plinking in your backyard,well you just give up.
Giving up is why those laws are there. Join city council, and come up with an argument in favor of removing or at least relaxing those laws. Maybe that's just the American in me talking, as I'm not sure how you guys over there conduct local legislation. You may also want to consider asking your local firing range (if any) if you could rent lane time for your air gun/rifle. Another alternative is to make a homemade sound suppressor (check here on RU-vid; plenty of Americans can show you how to make an effective and cheap one), again, assuming that in and of itself isn't illegal. I don't advocate breaking laws, but I most certainly advocate changing them. It all depends how badly you want it, and how well you keep pushing for change. Many a law got passed because someone kept pestering city council to do something trivial, and the legislators caved in to make them stop, lol. Again, maybe that's just in America.
If you are going after game I think a .22 is the way to go. Twice the weight and almost as fast. If you're just paper punching then it doesn't matter, but if it's part of your stuff hitting the fan prep, you want to step up to the .22.
I own a few 177 springers and I got my 1322 about 1 year ago and is a awesome platform. I just disagree about pellet cost- we know we get different groupings with different pellets because the barrel chooses the pellet so if you have 2 airguns in .22 you still may need one type of pellet to each gun. For hunting, .22 is just better at small and mid ranges, .177 is better for long ranges, you know why :)
What about farther?? The .22 cal maximum range is 50 yards it is just too heavy vs the .177 cal maximum range of 400 yards so definitely the .177 is the best option.
I got my gamo pcp in .177 that shoots 1900 FPS+ and my .22 Remington break barrel that shoots around 1200, both do a amazing job with varments. But with the .177 I can shoot 100+ yards confidently while I’m still getting used to the .22
Loved seeing a Air Gun video! I own both calibers of the pumpers in the video & enjoy them both alot. My .177 is my target gun, both paper & spinners. My .22 is the tree rat eliminator in my backyard. BOTH are very quiet & very accurate to about 12 yards for me. I also have a modified 2240 that does both target & hunting duty VERY well. Thanks again for the Air Gun video Wingman115!
I'm surprised no one has mentioned air gun for self defense. Especially you blokes over in the UK? I'm thinking more when I'm out camping with family and not nice people come around.
@@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830 If for whatever reason you cannot own a proper firearm air gun can put a hurt'n on someone. But they're going to outlaw them soon anyway. Only criminals and elites are allowed to defend them selves.
@@jamesphillips496 If they are crazy or on drugs it will probably only piss them off. Unless you land a shot in the eye but good luck with that if they charge.
@@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830 No they have .22 pellet ammo. Small chance that someone is going to be that amped up that they're not going to feel it. And then also you're less likely to kill someone which has it's own problems. The idea is to injure then get out of the area.
.177 is more popular by far. This translates to more gun choices and more pellet choices. I dont recall even seeing .22 pellets in walmart for example. Cabelas is the only other place to find the guns and pellets. You can guess that .177 will be king there as well. Ive never been very impressed with bass pro in general, so im leaving them out of the conversation. Just about all the rest is on the web. Competition is always .177 afaik, and the external ballistics of .177 over .22 easily speaks for itself. Run some numbers on the chairgun app to see for yourself.
Kyle Lester the .177 is better for hunting for long range but if it is for close range the 22 is better, but in my opinion the .177 is better but they are both really cool.👍🏼
Your a good ambassador for shooting Wingman, Here in the UK I like .177 because it teaches you to make the shot count by being very accurate, and the flatter trajectory can take some guess work out of judging distance. after all a pellet through the brain or heart/lung means dead cleanly in any calibre but more skill is involved generally using .177. atb phil and I like the cut of your jib lol subscribed.
I think that the proper caliber often depends on how powerful your gun is. .177 tends to be better in lower powered guns but often looses accuracy in high powered or supersonic guns. The .22 often under penetrates with low powered guns but hits hard and keeps it's accuracy, especially at long range, with the high powered rifles.
I'm with you John on the air guns. Over here in the UK we have unlicensed air rifles limited to 12ft/lb. At that power level .177 has proved very effective on Rabbit, but certain quarry like rats, and feral pigeon seem to respond better to the larger 22 cal. Respond = knock down drop dead:) Sandy
Hello Sandy, Fancy seeing you here. Ive always shot .22. If you were buying a new airgun what would you go for? Im about to trade my BSA Ultra for the new Ultra XL, I just cant decide which caliber, decisions........
Hi Ian, I don't do as much shooting these days but for sub 12ft/lb have always favoured the .177 provided you can hit the spot it will kill well. My quarry was mostly rabbit but for rats and feral pigeon the 22 did seem more effective.
A real difference is whether you want kinetic energy or penetration. I cant make any comments on a .22 because I haven't used one. A point everyone is making is that the .177 is more affordable and easier to find, which is true. You can also get some heavier pellets for the .177, or even super penetrators if thats what you want. Lots of different things you can shoot from a .177 which is awesome.
Stephanie Kent I use airsoft to keep muscle memory accurate and train with paper wood or plastic targets with airsoft ...then I go to the range to shoot with 45 and 357 cal to practice amd that's for self defence never know when you going to need it ...love this videos very informing and educational about guns and airsoft guns amd rifles ...
