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18-Year-Old Student Pilot's Rogue Flight Is His Last! 

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Jet Montgomery was only a student pilot when he took his airplane on a rogue flight. It would be his last flight. What they found at the crash site would shock the entire town!
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@pilot-debrief
@pilot-debrief 2 месяца назад
If you want to watch a student pilot do something right, check out one of these videos: Dad Saves Student Pilot Solo on Terrifying Flight: 👉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jDv2T2rdViY.html Student Pilot's Solo Flight Is Her WORST Nightmare!: 👉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ONhE1hcvZ5E.html
@Artoconnell
@Artoconnell 2 месяца назад
And by amazing you really meant absolutely terrifying, lol. the tenth take off was much less amazing. LOL
@kt420ish
@kt420ish 2 месяца назад
You should do a poll on RU-vid and ask how many of your viewers are actually pilots ? I'm curious to know because I am not a pilot but I absolutely love watching your channel. It's literally making me think about trying
@PAGoTribe1963
@PAGoTribe1963 2 месяца назад
Same here. I’m not a pilot, but the lessons are still applicable to most any situation.
@pilot-debrief
@pilot-debrief 2 месяца назад
I think it’s roughly half of my viewers are pilots, retired pilots, or student pilots.
@kt420ish
@kt420ish 2 месяца назад
Thanks for the info. I assumed it would be like 75% pilots, and 25% not. Cool to know.
@JTG40cal
@JTG40cal 2 месяца назад
Sounds like Jet's parents enabled him straight into an early grave.
@DrDeuteron
@DrDeuteron 2 месяца назад
his dad. we don't know about his mother.
@michaelgarrow3239
@michaelgarrow3239 2 месяца назад
@@DrDeuteron- perhaps his mother and not his dad. That is misandry…
@K1OIK
@K1OIK 2 месяца назад
His dad should be charged with manslaughter. He essentially gave his kid a loaded gun.
@d.b.1176
@d.b.1176 2 месяца назад
Graveyard spiral 😜
@sister_bertrille911
@sister_bertrille911 2 месяца назад
@@michaelgarrow3239 Father bought him the plane, according to the video.
@deepg7084
@deepg7084 2 месяца назад
Some people aren't fit to be pilots, and some aren't fit to be parents. This story is a good example of both.
@Frank_Nemo
@Frank_Nemo 2 месяца назад
Harsh, but fair.
@Rogerw1nz
@Rogerw1nz 2 месяца назад
Sadly true!
@truthsRsung
@truthsRsung 2 месяца назад
​@@Frank_Nemo...Not Fair at All. Love is Blind and Parents Love their Children. They should have said, "Some people aren't fit to be Doctors." This Boy should have Never Passed an FAA Medical. Ever.
@roynichols5212
@roynichols5212 2 месяца назад
I was a forklift trainer for decades. There was always a few students that just could not grasp the theory of the stability triangle. They were just not mentally capable to process it. Which is fine. There are some people that should not be behind a wheel, whether it's on the ground,water and especially the air.
@Scythe_Voltage
@Scythe_Voltage 2 месяца назад
@@roynichols5212 well said
@MrShobar
@MrShobar 2 месяца назад
His instructor told him to "get serious or get out...". Good for him!
@warp9988
@warp9988 14 дней назад
Instructors should be able to flunk students out and mark them as "Should not fly for 10 years". Let them apply again when they are 10 years older and maybe a bit wiser.
@ScottishTerrorsInLA
@ScottishTerrorsInLA Месяц назад
Props to air traffic control who turned the runway lights up in an attempt to help him not die. That had to be a hard thing to watch on radar.
@go5582
@go5582 Месяц назад
I agree,
@onestepbeyond7240
@onestepbeyond7240 Месяц назад
If he was in military air space, don't they usually send a fighter jet up to see or do they just assume it's someone who's lost ?
@glenncain
@glenncain Месяц назад
@@onestepbeyond7240 im not a pilot or have any prior experience with aviation directly, but i can hazard a guess that it probably isn't too smart to send a very expensive craft to chase a bird that doesnt know where its going and is turning everywhere with total disregard for any deconfliction plan, in a solid cloud cover
@TinaObigwebi
@TinaObigwebi Месяц назад
​@@glenncainBasically, they, as pilots, knew what was happening with Jet, even though Jet didn't even know himself.
@LadyOaksNZ
@LadyOaksNZ 26 дней назад
Gets kicked out of flight training and his parents gifted him a new plane... ?? So glad we were poor!
@CaptMoo
@CaptMoo 2 месяца назад
Isn't it something, you get kicked out of flight school, and you get rewarded with your own plane? 🤦🏽‍♂
@same5952
@same5952 2 месяца назад
The kid obviously had never heard NO when he was growing up. Unfortunately it caught up with him.
@CurtBagne
@CurtBagne 2 месяца назад
Absolutely insane
@rc-fannl7364
@rc-fannl7364 2 месяца назад
Kid probably put on some story how the flight school had been mean to him, maybe even accusing them of making fun of his ADHD. Making dad fold over and think he was helping his son
@linanicolia1363
@linanicolia1363 2 месяца назад
Some people are not designed to have children. They need serious soul searching.
@vatesedgar
@vatesedgar 2 месяца назад
My thoughts as a father...
@amamdawhatever
@amamdawhatever 2 месяца назад
I bet that kid never heard the word "no" in his life. What kind of parent buys their kid a plane after he is kicked out of flight school for showing up intoxicated? The tragic end is the result of raising an entitled child.
@busher69
@busher69 2 месяца назад
A complete moron.
@dextermorgan1
@dextermorgan1 2 месяца назад
A very stupid one.
@fdzaviation
@fdzaviation 2 месяца назад
and I'll bet they tried to sue somebody else for it, too.
@wordwoman9900
@wordwoman9900 2 месяца назад
A spoiled, entitled child committing one of the most expensive forms of suicide he could manage.
@gtaylor2770
@gtaylor2770 2 месяца назад
Amen.
@conniep.8124
@conniep.8124 Месяц назад
Something like this happened in the UK about a month ago. A businessman was learning to fly, bought himself an aircraft. He told the instructor that he wanted to fly solo. The instructor said no, he wasn’t ready and he only had a few hours actually flying unaided. But the businessman wasn’t taking no for an answer. So he ignored the instructor and decided to fly solo by himself. He immediately crashed the aircraft after takeoff (nose dived it into the ground) and k*illed himself there and then. Money doesn’t buy competence.
@Chris-xo2rq
@Chris-xo2rq Месяц назад
I have no experience with actually flying but a lot of experience in simulators (DCS, MSFS2020), and while it could be the case that the simulators are nothing at all like reality it seems to me like you'd have to almost TRY to nose dive right after takeoff. If you actually lift off then you have sufficient velocity to produce lift, the only thing I can think that would cause an immediate nosedive after takeoff is pulling up way too hard and stalling, or pushing down and commanding a dive.. but I can't believe anyone with any actual flying experience would do either of those things, I know I wouldn't do that with only sim experience. It reminds me of that scene in The Last Man on Earth and it always bothered me how unrealistic that was... I mean even if he completely cut the throttle he wouldn't have nose dived... Unless you are leaving out details and he overbanked a turn or something.
@conniep.8124
@conniep.8124 Месяц назад
@@Chris-xo2rq I’ve seen the video footage and i suspect that footage is lurking on RU-vid somewhere. What appears to have happened is that he failed to gain significant height upon take off and was getting close to the hangars. It looks like he panicked and jerked the controller stick to the left, but simultaneously pushed it forwards causing it to roll. I suspect the aircraft then stalled and it promptly nosedived into the ground.
@Chris-xo2rq
@Chris-xo2rq Месяц назад
@@conniep.8124 Thanks that makes more sense, I was pretty sure a turn had to be involved somehow.
@stephenroach8033
@stephenroach8033 Месяц назад
But often times, does buy arrogance
@xr6lad
@xr6lad Месяц назад
@@Chris-xo2rqlol @ computer games. No you're right. You have no experience.
@Slaktrax
@Slaktrax 2 месяца назад
Hoover, I'm a retired 17,000 hour (no accidents) rotary pilot and I congratulate you on what you are doing. These videos of yours are like a reference of what not to do and should be part of a safety course for every pilot, regardless of age that's going through training should watch. It's very sobering seeing the silly mistakes being made.
@pilotcritic
@pilotcritic Месяц назад
He stole my story. This accident was four years ago, I spent a month of full time work researching this accident and he made his own probably in one day based on my video.
@drval3706
@drval3706 4 часа назад
I am an inspired pilot and find this Chanel amazing! These case studies should be part of every training!
@FlyWithMe_666
@FlyWithMe_666 2 месяца назад
“Son, we need to have a serious talk … you got kicked out of flight school for drinking. This must have consequences … HERE’S YOUR NEW PLANE 👏🥳🍾”
@linanicolia1363
@linanicolia1363 2 месяца назад
Tragic yet laughable......so predictable.
@fincarosa
@fincarosa 2 месяца назад
Parents like those of Donnie Darko 😅
@Jimmer-tr6bi
@Jimmer-tr6bi 2 месяца назад
Well said
@em1s301
@em1s301 2 месяца назад
I want to know how the Mom is feeling about the son getting the plane.
@wmrieker
@wmrieker 2 месяца назад
@@em1s301 well if they're still married probably not for much longer
@charlesbrewer6552
@charlesbrewer6552 2 месяца назад
Jet's father re-inforced Jet's belief that the "Rules don't apply to him". In my experience many wealthy men have this attitude themselves, they are "risk takers", and have made their money by playing the risk game and insisting that things are done "their way".. I have witnessed many sons of wealthy fathers with this false superior attitude. Jet and his friend found out the hard way that the rules DO apply to them!
@DamplyDoo
@DamplyDoo 2 месяца назад
I hear many stories of young men dying, and of course their fathers are wealthy. Interesting. I grew up dirt poor and my dad had eyes in the back of his head. He always knew when we were getting into trouble
@pilotrt
@pilotrt 2 месяца назад
Exactly! I have seen this as well. Also saw a couple of these know-it-alls perish, with innocent passengers.
@samiraperi467
@samiraperi467 2 месяца назад
Ye cannae change the rules of physics!
@Redridge07
@Redridge07 2 месяца назад
@charlesbrewer6552 How did his father reinforce that?
@kukko83
@kukko83 2 месяца назад
@@Redridge07 By rewarding him with an airplane of his own, for getting kicked out of flight school. Did you watch the video?
@rnews5750
@rnews5750 2 месяца назад
I share no sorrow for Jet or his dad. This young man's ego eventually sealed his fate. Great job dad. Prayers to Jonathan and his family. I hope they sought legal counsel.
@Jeremy.Bearemy
@Jeremy.Bearemy Месяц назад
They already lost their son, and now you want them to get sued also? A lawsuit won't bring back Johnathan.
@rnews5750
@rnews5750 Месяц назад
@@Jeremy.Bearemy Of course! Johnathan's life had meaning. The Mr. Montgomery needs to be held accountable for his part.
@Titere05
@Titere05 Месяц назад
Who doesn't have an ego AND is stupid at 18 man... cut the kid a break. His father, well... In the best case scenario I'd suppose he had a talk with his son about his shenanigans before buying the plane. Jet probably swore he'd mend his ways or something. I guess the dad should've known his son better, but it's so easy to judge other people isn't it?
@rnews5750
@rnews5750 Месяц назад
@@Titere05 No, I don't think so. Jet was responsible for his passenger. They need to be held accountable. If they are not it sets a bad precedence that other "stupid" 18 year old's to do the very same thing killing more innocent people.
@awesomeferret
@awesomeferret Месяц назад
It's wild to me how so many people like you just openly admit that they are mentally ill and have dangerous empathy issues. You know full well it might not be as simple as it seems, yet you're fine with being openly hateful just to get likes. So weird.
@rongendron8705
@rongendron8705 Месяц назад
In 1963, I was 17 & taking flying lessons at the Blairstown, NJ airport! A fellow student, 16 year old Steven Crawford, was able to complete the necessary hours to qualify for a "solo pilots license", before me! He then flew alone, to 'rack' up hours & flew over a hydro-electric, construction site, where his father was a supervisor & crashed, while attempting to land! I took this as a 'sign' that I wasn't ready to 'solo' & quit learning to fly! R.I.P. Steve!
@b0borden437
@b0borden437 2 месяца назад
The saddest part is the passenger who I'm sure didn't realize how unqualified the pilot was and the danger he was getting himself into.
@starrlite831
@starrlite831 2 месяца назад
unqualified and wreckless.
@snoglydox
@snoglydox 2 месяца назад
​@@starrlite831 : *A characteristic of many 20 year olds.*
@starrlite831
@starrlite831 2 месяца назад
@@snoglydox Actually what he did seemed more like a suicide mission than reckless. Unconscionable comes to mind! Drunk before flying... taking off into instrument conditions at night with no instrument rating and just a beginning student pilot. He should of never been flying.
@bcsolorza
@bcsolorza 2 месяца назад
Unskilled and nowhere near ready to fly solo let alone with other souls
@snoglydox
@snoglydox 2 месяца назад
​@@starrlite831 : *You go from **_" unqualified and wreckless [sic]"_** to **_"a suicide mission?"_* *Most twenty year olds' brains don't have the discipline, especially those obviously spoiled, to know that their prefrontal cortex is just starting the process to mature, so I just believe he was over confident and showing off, as kids that age are.*
@jbsack
@jbsack 2 месяца назад
18 yo immature kid with every hazardous pilot attitude. Was inevitable.
@Lemau
@Lemau 2 месяца назад
And clear evidence of repeated substance abuse...
@colin-nekritz
@colin-nekritz 2 месяца назад
Got it from his a-hole soulless Dad.
@thecomedypilot5894
@thecomedypilot5894 2 месяца назад
I was flight training at 18 and became a private pilot at that age too, I was very competent and mature. I don't think it's so much age that's a problem but rather competency. I've seen many older pilots get very immature and complacent.
@user-iv5gy3rc2b
@user-iv5gy3rc2b 2 месяца назад
He finally got the lesson his dad never gave him.
@747-pilot
@747-pilot 2 месяца назад
@@user-iv5gy3rc2bEXTREMELY well stated! TOTALLY opposite of my Dad. We were even beaten a few times, growing up as kids, and I actually THANK my parents for having done that. Today all three of us siblings are extremely successful people, thanks to our parents being super strict and putting us properly on the the “straight and narrow”!
@jimmymiller77
@jimmymiller77 2 месяца назад
Have been a Military Flight Instructor this is more common than you night think. The ego of young people is incredable. The idea of " I can do anything " is so strong it sad. This mans channel should be a must watch for current and future flyers. He cuts no corners and tells it like it is. My prayers out to the parents of this accident. Keep the shiny side up !!
@richwightman3044
@richwightman3044 2 месяца назад
I’m not sure I believe anyone who spells military as “Milatary” was ever in the military, much less a pilot. I’ve never heard one story of a military flight cadet taking a plane on an unauthorized 0400 joy ride and crashing with a non pilot ride along.
@jimmymiller77
@jimmymiller77 2 месяца назад
@@richwightman3044 I am disabled and 80 years old. I'm sorry about my spelling JIm
@CMDRkarstenvader
@CMDRkarstenvader Месяц назад
​@@richwightman3044that's embarrassing for you.
@rogerwilco2
@rogerwilco2 Месяц назад
I don't think it is true for all young people. But this seems to have been a rich kid that has never heard the word no in their life. Naming your kid Jet already makes me question the parents.
@corkldlwlslcops
@corkldlwlslcops Месяц назад
I've seen it in some middle-aged private pilots. 150 hours and they think they're God. They do the most stupid things.
@user-tz3dy7mt9e
@user-tz3dy7mt9e Месяц назад
This story reminds me of a friend who had a son who was crazy about motorbikes and had already had several accidents riding his friends' bikes. His mother solved the problem by giving him a brand new one. A few weeks later he had a serious accident that left him paraplegic and confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life. He was 19 years old. One day, talking to his mum, I asked her why she hadn't tried to dissuade her son from getting involved with motorbikes, as he had a tendency to get into accidents She told me she didn't want to interfere in his personal freedom. When the head doesn't think, the body suffers.
@CottageCupcake
@CottageCupcake 16 дней назад
Stupid mother. He has no freedom now!
@chrishan9138
@chrishan9138 2 месяца назад
The first flight school tried to save his life. His dad effectively killed him, and cost the life of another young man in the process.
@stevetournay6103
@stevetournay6103 2 месяца назад
And doubtless gives nary a crap.
@Sweetlyfe
@Sweetlyfe 2 месяца назад
Also the new instructor that told him that he could not fly the next day for his cross country solo due to weather. Yet he took his friend with him and killed that poor kid as well.
@LantanaLiz
@LantanaLiz 2 месяца назад
At least his dad helped the gene pool by providing his son with a Darwin Award.
@ryansiroproductions
@ryansiroproductions 2 месяца назад
Bro you are disgusting. How dare you. Yes this kid made absolutely horrible choices, and the father in hindsight should never have got him a plane. But be respectful, two families lost two boys. What part of that is funny? Sicko.
@truthsRsung
@truthsRsung 2 месяца назад
@chrishan9138 ...That Boy never should have passed an FAA Medical Exam. Don't be blaming a Father's Love for his Child's Death. That is Sick.
@Thestorminator89
@Thestorminator89 2 месяца назад
For the father to keep having to change flight instructors should indicate that its not the instructors that are the issue, but his son.
@Avarren
@Avarren 2 месяца назад
Good chance the father thinks problems are always somebody else’s fault.
@vracan
@vracan 2 месяца назад
actually not his son but the dad is real issue. Probably spoiling his son to make up for his lousy father skills
@greg.peepeeface
@greg.peepeeface Месяц назад
He didn’t take things seriously by drinking and being on meth… he methed up
@poopadoopalis
@poopadoopalis 27 дней назад
Imagine a group of people that have been kicked out of 109 flight schools 👀
@crissignori7482
@crissignori7482 20 дней назад
and him (the father)
@mriconoclast13
@mriconoclast13 Месяц назад
Congrats for winning this week's FA&FO award as father and son!
@pmh1nic
@pmh1nic Месяц назад
Thank you for the thoughtful and thorough debriefing. What an incredible tragedy for these families. The negligence on the part of the father is mind boggling.
@billbergquist4722
@billbergquist4722 2 месяца назад
Think there may have been some family drama. Naming your child Jet is the first clue.
@lesliesmith719
@lesliesmith719 2 месяца назад
I wrote that too. It put a burden on the child to become a pilot.
@linanicolia1363
@linanicolia1363 2 месяца назад
Oops I put my comment on the wrong line.....about Travolta's son, named Jet.
@Biggestfoot10209
@Biggestfoot10209 2 месяца назад
My thoughts exactly.
@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co
@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co 2 месяца назад
@@linanicolia1363I don't think it's entirely appropriate to connect this case with that of the late Jett Travolta, who was disabled from birth and died of his disability.
@lc2962
@lc2962 2 месяца назад
😂😂😅😊
@OnceShy_TwiceBitten
@OnceShy_TwiceBitten 2 месяца назад
Gonna say it like it is, everyone saying it's tragic, no it's arrogant... tragic for the passenger. But this guy was something else. Now they can change his name to Crash.
@gleebybooer
@gleebybooer 2 месяца назад
yeah… dude was determined to be reckless. They literally kicked him out of flight school but his daddy’s money allowed him to keep going. Absolutely insane
@DrDeuteron
@DrDeuteron 2 месяца назад
the passenger had no business trusting the pilot.
@supermanlives010
@supermanlives010 2 месяца назад
He was taking pills for paying attention that saids it all, he should have paid attention to his life!!!!
@timrothenbush1189
@timrothenbush1189 2 месяца назад
Good thing he never got into commercial aviation.
@amorl4520
@amorl4520 2 месяца назад
​@@timrothenbush1189holy crap
@drbooo
@drbooo Месяц назад
That's the best explanation of spacial disorientation I've ever watched. Great Job.
@Rapscallion2009
@Rapscallion2009 26 дней назад
I once heard it explained like this (roughly); Apes are not meant to fly but aeroplanes are made for that very purpose. So who's instruments are going to trust more? (Ive mangled that a little)
@patriciosilvarobalino9832
@patriciosilvarobalino9832 6 дней назад
In fact it was. I never saw that before
@matoko123
@matoko123 4 дня назад
Impressed me!
@medula
@medula Месяц назад
Flying requires a high level of aptitude and paradoxically a high level of humility.
@konewone361
@konewone361 Месяц назад
requires a hell of a lot of maturity too, something that seems to be severely lacking with insta grammars etc.
@matoko123
@matoko123 4 дня назад
And a particularly low level of amphetamines!
@thinebiggest
@thinebiggest 2 месяца назад
A teenager who thought he knew best. His attitude killed an innocent young man. Fortunately, no other innocents were killed on the ground.
@linanicolia1363
@linanicolia1363 2 месяца назад
beware who your friends are.
@DrDeuteron
@DrDeuteron 2 месяца назад
the passenger was also foolish. I mean he got in the plane.
@p4n23r
@p4n23r 2 месяца назад
When you 18 you think you know anything.
@user-iv5gy3rc2b
@user-iv5gy3rc2b 2 месяца назад
A teenager who thought he knew best. Imagine that. Let's give them the vote. Smh.
@redmanish
@redmanish 2 месяца назад
@@user-iv5gy3rc2bIf you can send them to war, they DAMN well better be able to vote. This is the dumbest argument, I hate that so many idiots have jumped on this bandwagon lately because they’re mad Gen Z doesn’t vote the way they like.
@vadermike7772
@vadermike7772 2 месяца назад
300 foot ceiling and overcast, and at night! What in the living fuck was he thinking? The worst part is, not only did he kill him self, but he also killed another teen. Note to parents, if your underage son shows up to flight school after drinking alcohol, and gets kicked out because of it, the last f****** thing on Earth you should do is buy them their own plane! If your kid shows up drunk to a driving lesson, do you buy them a Ferrari right afterwards? Hell no!
@Fidd88-mc4sz
@Fidd88-mc4sz 2 месяца назад
I suspect that the timing of the flight had some impact on the accuracy of the forecast, and indeed the METAR's. Early morning flights are intrinsically sketchy, because a great many airfields that will, in daylight, be reporting actual weather, and helping the forecasters in finessing forecasts throughout the morning, are NOT reporting. Also fog can easily turn into low cloud, and vice versa, accordingly, if he was not aware of how the timing of the flight, relative to the likely accuracy of the forecast (which is decidedly NOT constant throughout a 24 hour period) then he may have taken off believing the forecast was accurate or less severe than it was. As a British instructor, I have to wonder at the facility whereby a student may get authorised to fly solo merely on the strength of a phone-call, rather than the presence of the instructor on the field. That seems a desperately dangerous system, especially for one only at the very beginning of solo nav flight. I appreciate that the instructor told him he was not to fly. I wonder if the actual words used might have created the impression he was being told not to fly cross-country, but was allowed to fly some circuits? Or took it to mean the latter? There was obviously some woeful judgement at play here, but there may have been other factors tangentially affecting that decision-making?
@user-gv6hq6se3w
@user-gv6hq6se3w 2 месяца назад
He wasn't thinking he was high on meth and had probably been up all night.
@stevetournay6103
@stevetournay6103 2 месяца назад
You do if you're a Richie Rich with an invincibility complex. This was pretty much karma...
@Jimmer-tr6bi
@Jimmer-tr6bi 2 месяца назад
@@Fidd88-mc4sz he was high on amphetamines, didn’t you watch the video. Oh my goodness your dad didn’t just buy you an airplane did he?
@busher69
@busher69 2 месяца назад
You gotta know buying the kid a Ferrari for showing up drunk ata drivers lesson is exactly what this kid dad would do. Complete and total moron
@johnvalenzuela5279
@johnvalenzuela5279 Месяц назад
Excellent debrief Hoover. Tragic but obviously avoidable. You are a class act especially when dealing with the ugly sad truth. My heart goes out to the families of both the innocent passenger and the enabling parent.
@connieboylan9159
@connieboylan9159 Месяц назад
Retired flight attendant here..your videos are so informative and interesting...although sad sometimes...just wanted to say I enjoy your channel
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 2 месяца назад
My dad was a CFI, he also had an instrument rating and extensive time in actual IMC. He was performing a VFR night flight with city lights below providing a clear horizon. He had just completed a turn when he flew into an unexpected cloud and he lost his horizon. He felt the airplane bank but his instruments said he was wings level. It took an extreme amount of willpower to resist the urge to correct the bank he could feel in the seat of his pants, even with all of his experience. Within just a few seconds he came out of the clouds and regained the horizon, exactly where his instruments said it would be and instantly the vertigo vanished. He was shocked by how powerful the urge was to correct the bank he felt and understood why this happens. He started telling his students to trust their instruments because the seat of your pants is a ling ass.
@KimtheElder
@KimtheElder 2 месяца назад
I think I really like your dad 😉
@linanicolia1363
@linanicolia1363 2 месяца назад
trusting your instruments is the first thing you learn ; your dad had to really suck as a CFI. Sorry, but reality is there. Did he also teach you to fly ?
@Jez2008UK
@Jez2008UK 2 месяца назад
@@linanicolia1363 I agree. I'm not even a pilot (though I did have dreams of being a private one and started studying and taking the written exams) - even I learned that you trust your instruments.
@welcomb
@welcomb 2 месяца назад
​@@linanicolia1363 his dad trusted his instruments exactly as he had to do. What was wrong with that?
@davidr8309
@davidr8309 2 месяца назад
⁠@@linanicolia1363 intellectually knowing that you are supposed to trust your instruments is very different then experiencing spatial disorientation and actually having to do it. If you were an instrument rated pilot you would have understood the story.
@unknown-user
@unknown-user 2 месяца назад
He probably was a spoiled brat and never was told no his entire life. I blame his parents.
@milesbbop9563
@milesbbop9563 2 месяца назад
I was just about to post the same comment.
@Redridge07
@Redridge07 2 месяца назад
I blame the 18 year old
@linanicolia1363
@linanicolia1363 2 месяца назад
Well, the slate got cleaned up. Too bad for the other kid who did not seem to be smart enough to figure out he was in danger.
@Biggestfoot10209
@Biggestfoot10209 2 месяца назад
@@linanicolia1363chances are he was no different from Jet
@baneverything5580
@baneverything5580 2 месяца назад
Over the bad decisions of an 18 year old adult?
@dalekehrer2421
@dalekehrer2421 9 дней назад
Flying amd scuba diving are two activities that, along with a few others, must be given your full attention and respect.
@Pt-11
@Pt-11 Месяц назад
My heart goes out to the friend and that young man’s family.
@sg9414
@sg9414 2 месяца назад
Poor parenting - like buying a new driver a fast car when they don't really understand how to drive. his dad's going to have many years of reflection.
@OnceShy_TwiceBitten
@OnceShy_TwiceBitten 2 месяца назад
kid was 18, that's all on him too.
@jamesb.armstrong5433
@jamesb.armstrong5433 2 месяца назад
I have the feeling he was a spoiled brat all of his life. The father is responsible for this.
@DamplyDoo
@DamplyDoo 2 месяца назад
@@OnceShy_TwiceBitten i was still a kid at 18. No life experience. It's all on Dad. I say that as a father now
@JetFire9
@JetFire9 2 месяца назад
@@valleyofiron125Me
@ronoconnor8971
@ronoconnor8971 2 месяца назад
Arrogance. Bet he was the quarterback on the football team too
@darksidemachining
@darksidemachining 2 месяца назад
Superb video. About a year ago a 16 year old boy passed his driver’s test and received a temporary license until his official license arrived in the mail. Though his father knew that his C minus grade point average son had already been abusing alcohol and weed, he still rewarded him for his achievement with a brand new 800 horsepower Dodge Hellcat. A week later he got himself and his best friend killed going over a hundred miles per hour on a back country road.
@desdicadoric
@desdicadoric 2 месяца назад
Wow that is absolutely nuts. 800 hp at 16 😮
@k2crasher
@k2crasher 2 месяца назад
How would you know their grade point average? lol
@adamarzo559
@adamarzo559 2 месяца назад
RIP to that hellcat. Those things are going to be insanely rare soon, because I believe this year is the last production year for non hybrid/full electric cats.
@linanicolia1363
@linanicolia1363 2 месяца назад
Karma for dad. Do these parents learn anything ? makes you wonder.
@darksidemachining
@darksidemachining 2 месяца назад
@@k2crasher Am not the aforementioned father. It was a local neighborhood issue.
@Newbobdole
@Newbobdole Месяц назад
One benefit of social media/digital communications is that we’ll have more comprehensive postmortem evidence of what incompetent/noncompliant people were really thinking (there’s no way I was mature enough at his age to pilot anything)
@tp5401
@tp5401 Месяц назад
Pride comes before the fall
@Medic397
@Medic397 2 месяца назад
As a dad, it took me a long time to figure out just handing my boys things (cars, insurance payments etc.) was not really instilling in them responsibility. I wanted them to have everything I was unable to have as a poor kid. I finally learned my lesson. Things earned, and responsibilities gained, are much more appreciated when you give them a guiding hand, not handing them things.
@kaasmeester5903
@kaasmeester5903 2 месяца назад
My dad’s attitude was: you can have every thin you want, once you show that you can manage the responsibility that comes with it. That applied to expensive toys, his power tools, his computer (that back then must have cost him a years wages) and the family car. But he also helped us understand what that responsibility meant. That’s the key part, and by the sound of it you’re being an awesome dad 😊 Giving your kid a plane after he showed up drunk for his cross country solo, much less awesome. Also a little surprising. Over here, solo endorsements are per-flight: you show up fit to fly, the weather is good, so the CFI issues an endorsement for that day only.
@davidhandyman7571
@davidhandyman7571 2 месяца назад
A hand up is always better than a handout.
@davidbates7429
@davidbates7429 2 месяца назад
My parents never paid a penny for my flying lessons. My step father did give me a job at his masonry business ( paid under the table so no taxes). They did help by paying the car insurance (family car) A's I needed to drive my mother and grandmother around as they never had a license. Taught me how to manage my money at an early age which I thank them for.
@ds_the_rn
@ds_the_rn 2 месяца назад
@@kaasmeester5903- my parents were the same way. I am an only child, as was my father, and both of them gave me everything they could afford. I KNEW I had those things because I carried myself with respect and responsibility, as well as wanting to give to those I cared about. I even started flight school, because my Dad worked at Boeing and I wanted to do something to which we both could relate. He died and I never finished flight school. This family lost their son because of bad decisions on everyone’s part. The worst part is that he took a friend to the grave with him.
@mdaniels6311
@mdaniels6311 2 месяца назад
Would like to quickly point out that driving is orders of magnitude statistically more dangerous than flying, which is counter intuitive to a lot of people, but true. Parents often dont udnerstand that the road is the biggest threat to their children.. and therefore you need to be careful when handing car keys to your kids.
@BRZZ-xw4hd
@BRZZ-xw4hd 2 месяца назад
thanks for showing the disorientation test. never saw that before. that was amazing...peace
@jameswest4819
@jameswest4819 15 дней назад
My first pilot instructor flew from Santa Rosa, up the Russian River canyon during foggy weather. Both his starting and arriving airports were closed. I was waiting for him to show up when a guy showed up next to the practice plane and told me that he was dead, along with his girlfriend and another couple. I learned a valuable lesson on that day.
@armylabman
@armylabman Месяц назад
Really like these videos, brother. Dad flew bombers and fighters. I did 27 Army years.
@OPgamingstyle
@OPgamingstyle 2 месяца назад
Something my old Civil Air Patrol Orientation pilot told me when I was getting ready to start my own flight training was "The plane is amazing at following instructions. It is so determined that it will follow them all the way to the ground". Pay attention to what you are telling the aircraft to do and you will have a long career.
@RachelDoesntknow
@RachelDoesntknow 2 месяца назад
OMG I love that line!
@shanemacgregor2771
@shanemacgregor2771 2 месяца назад
Tragic, the father should have had a better handle on him clearly was not mature enough to own and access an aircraft.
@kelvin1316
@kelvin1316 2 месяца назад
As an ex-teacher (I got out because of the stress) I have seen it too often where no matter how much you tell the parent of their child's attitude problem they will always think it is someone else's fault (the teacher, the other student, some medical condition they have self diagnosed etc etc), it is never their child's fault) Keep in mind, the teacher is often saying this because they need the help of the parent to help the child learn how to be self-sufficient and take responsibility, not because they dislike the child (although I am not saying that never happens)
@clickster1883
@clickster1883 2 месяца назад
My guess is the kid was a reflection of his father.
@Dstew57A
@Dstew57A 2 месяца назад
Sounds like the kid might have been suicidal..not just an entitled attitude….very sad
@JoeGator23
@JoeGator23 2 месяца назад
@@kelvin1316 This self-entitled man-child cured those problems for eternity. At least now he can't kill anyone else.
@tonybranton
@tonybranton 2 месяца назад
@@kelvin1316correct! I was a firearms instructor and quit for the same reason. I told my son, unfortunately this country has allowed MANY people with no common sense to acquire things, guns, planes, motorcycles and toys they have NO business with. They’re on their own and this is inevitable when you shun criticism and discipline
@Mambaru
@Mambaru 19 дней назад
I'm going to go with 'he never told his father that he'd been kicked out of flight school' or he spun it his way. Hence daddy bought him a plane. Still rather tragic for his passenger.
@fyiaustralia9686
@fyiaustralia9686 14 дней назад
I feel for Jonathan and his family - an innocent bystander in this tragic event.
@smaakjeks
@smaakjeks 2 месяца назад
Shows up drunk for one flight; wants to fly despite getting kicked out of flight school; refuses to accept that icing conditions for that plane is bad news; wants to fly in fog and darkness despite not having an instrument rating. Man. Some people just refuse to stay alive
@dempfer9037
@dempfer9037 Месяц назад
Fuck man he’s a kid i’m sure you were a perfect kid but think of his family reading this shit. We all do incredibly dumb shit when we’re young most of us don’t do it in a cockpit. Don’t insult someone for fucking up after they die, it’s very gross.
@pamelamorrison
@pamelamorrison 2 месяца назад
Awesome debrief. 100% a kid who was not taking this seriously combined with a parent who spoiled his kid rotten and never told him no.
@user-xj7wl4de1h
@user-xj7wl4de1h 2 месяца назад
Spot on, Friend.
@jeremywags
@jeremywags Месяц назад
Great video. Your breakdown is extraordinarily easy to follow and very useful for young aviators
@MikeBaxterABC
@MikeBaxterABC 2 месяца назад
7:50 I served in the Canadian Armed Forces, and taught Orienteering, Map and Compass use, to young Cadets. I have PERSONALLY many times!! Safe and Secure ON the ground!! .. Had to fully IGNORE my sense of direction and trust the compass, even years later while outdooring or hunting by myself!. This is a difficult skill to teach!!
@bergamottea1206
@bergamottea1206 2 месяца назад
4:17 am....he probably hadn't gone to bed the night before.
@artayek1517
@artayek1517 2 месяца назад
With that much amphetamine in his system, you can guarantee it
@jaykid6595
@jaykid6595 2 месяца назад
Good point. I agree
@pikestance8851
@pikestance8851 2 месяца назад
@@GoToPhx This is true, I had ADAD and my mother would give me coffee to calm me down.
@webcityguymyclubb4032
@webcityguymyclubb4032 2 месяца назад
@@jaykid6595 …and so jacked on Molly he thinks he’s invincible.
@emiloguechoons9030
@emiloguechoons9030 2 месяца назад
​@@webcityguymyclubb40321. Molly is mdma not amphetamine 2. MDMA doesn't make you feel invincible, not even close, the effects are pretty much the opposite, becoming very aware of your surroundings
@gadsdenconsulting7126
@gadsdenconsulting7126 2 месяца назад
Long on money, and short on brains. 🤷‍♂️
@nattybumpo7156
@nattybumpo7156 2 месяца назад
I see pilots who own airplanes beyond their skills every day.
@stevetournay6103
@stevetournay6103 2 месяца назад
Not exactly uncommon...
@SplashJohn
@SplashJohn 2 месяца назад
That's a description of the father; son had no money except what his father gave him. Both of them are responsible for this tragedy.
@asfaltsflickan
@asfaltsflickan Месяц назад
Not a pilot and late to this video, but the spatial disorientation talk reminded me of when I was a kid and rode one of those spinning carnival rides. I don’t know if the operator really cranked it up or if it just randomly happened to spin in a certain way, but all of a sudden it felt like the horizon had become vertical and the entire world had somehow shifted 90 degrees. I was old enough to know that that physically couldn’t happen, but I couldn’t change my perception as long as the ride was spinning. The world shifted back as the ride slowed, but it was a terrifying experience that’s stuck with me for decades. I totally get how easy it would be to get disoriented flying a plane, with devastating consequences.
@cremebrulee4759
@cremebrulee4759 2 месяца назад
We'll probably never know all the factors involved in the decision to fly, but the fundamental cause appears to be a child who wasn't told "No" enough. It would be interesting to know what the father knew about his son being kicked out of flight school. Did he know the truth, or did he know his son's version of the truth? The father is going to have to live with this for the rest of his life. Very sad, especially for the passenger, who I'm sure I had no idea how much danger he was in.
@altonyoung3734
@altonyoung3734 2 месяца назад
More tears are shed over wishes granted, than wishes denied.
@bradsanders407
@bradsanders407 2 месяца назад
Lol yeah ok
@webcityguymyclubb4032
@webcityguymyclubb4032 2 месяца назад
@@bradsanders407 Wonder why I never heard this?…lol. Did he get it from a movie?
@clintavo
@clintavo 2 месяца назад
Well said!
@mangos2888
@mangos2888 2 месяца назад
I don't believe that for a second
@MoMadNU
@MoMadNU 2 месяца назад
That's an excellent quote.
@catdogky
@catdogky 2 месяца назад
Jet clearly had no boundaries in his upbringing and no respect for authority. Some teens are just like that. I had one myself but he never decided to get into a hobby or job that was dangerous and potentially fatal. If you cannot accept that other people in society have authority over you, you have no business flying an aircraft.
@Taladar2003
@Taladar2003 2 месяца назад
I wouldn't say they are 'just like that' with rich kids like this. It is part of their upbringing to be taught that rules do not apply to them and authority is to be ignored.
@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648
@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 2 месяца назад
@@Taladar2003 This is not isolated to a particular party affiliation, to get ahead of the possible comments. We are in an age where it seems everyone thinks it's virtuous to cheat their way into advancement of some political agenda. Honest negotiation over known and acknowledged disagreements is going out the windows.
@dudeonbike800
@dudeonbike800 2 месяца назад
@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 but there's a DISTINCT difference between one group who hates regulation, government, oversight, and guidelines, and the other tends to advocate for them. But I won't name any names or anything.
@threethrushes
@threethrushes 2 месяца назад
@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 The good news is that you can't cheat reality. Cheaters rarely prosper. The hubris and disregard for others manifests itself across all areas of their lives.
@lornamurdocheaton624
@lornamurdocheaton624 Месяц назад
"Some teens are just like that." Not really. I know of a couple who are actively developing their three kids into someone EXACTLY like this. They're never denied anything, never given boundaries, excused all misbehaviour and openly defended when they harm and offend others and are instantly given anything they demand. The parents - apparently genuinely - believe they are the very best parents out there and even boast about it, oblivious of the reaction of every other human their spawn encounter!
@ExtremeRecluse
@ExtremeRecluse Месяц назад
I recall a saying about old, bold pilots. This applies here.
@Bowchickawowski
@Bowchickawowski 21 день назад
Surprised I didn’t hear about this. I had just PCS’ed to Barksdale right before this happened. KDTN is the airport I learned to fly at. However, the only thing tragic about this “accident” is the singular innocent life lost.
@redrocket4853
@redrocket4853 2 месяца назад
I've been flying 29 years, I've seen a few "Jet Montgomery's" during my time in the hobby, I'm not at all surprised about the ending to Jet Montgomery's brief time in the hobby.
@irie_father
@irie_father Месяц назад
I’ve been involved in the hobby in various capacities for the last many years and to me the hobby has never been crazier because the youth simply don’t respect the hobby! Respect the hobby for peets sake!
@LobotomyTC
@LobotomyTC Месяц назад
@@irie_father Is this a thing non-military pilots call flying? I've never heard that terminology from my dad, a USCG pilot, and he would talk about aviation endlessly. Is "the hobby" a colloquialism?
@redrocket4853
@redrocket4853 Месяц назад
@@LobotomyTC i call it a hobby because nobody's paying me to fly, so it's a hobby, it's still flying, but it's like any other hobby, nobody pays one to go fishing, or hunting, golf, tennis, or whatever else one may do that others may get paid for, so that's why I call it a hobby
@LobotomyTC
@LobotomyTC Месяц назад
@@redrocket4853 Ah, gotcha
@JosephGreen-us5fr
@JosephGreen-us5fr Месяц назад
What scares me is some of the "Jets" actually become flight instructors. I had one such as a substitute at one time that nearly got us both killed.
@DaveCarlson01
@DaveCarlson01 2 месяца назад
I shed no tears for this reckless young man who thought rules did not apply to him. the boy's father should be charged with negligent manslaughter for buying him a plane after he was kicked out of flight school.
@MattyEngland
@MattyEngland 2 месяца назад
Father is undoubtedly a freemason, the law doesn't apply to them the same as the rest of us.
@tomglase5333
@tomglase5333 2 месяца назад
well, the precedent was set this week in another case.
@kevsta67
@kevsta67 2 месяца назад
yeah.another spoiled rich kid that always got to do whatever he wanted regardless of what he was told. blame the parents
@robertgantry2118
@robertgantry2118 2 месяца назад
I think he paid enough. STILL paying, probably, as he has to live with himself.
@SACBENT05
@SACBENT05 2 месяца назад
@@robertgantry2118 IMHO, a parent/father like this example, has to fit the definition of a narcissist, which are individuals that really don't care about the consequences of their decisions even if it adversely effects their very own blood. My own father fits this bill!
@tubzvermeulen
@tubzvermeulen Месяц назад
Thanks for the video
@anvil49
@anvil49 Месяц назад
Thanks, very informative!
@X737_
@X737_ 2 месяца назад
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Just glad he didn’t have more passengers. RIP to his friend
@davidgreen7857
@davidgreen7857 2 месяца назад
I am not a pilot, but I do find all your debriefs so logical, concise, lacking in sensationalism and thorough.
@stumpjumper1dc
@stumpjumper1dc 2 месяца назад
Thanks Hoover. RIP Jet. Great explanation of this sad tale, as usual.
@Stinking82
@Stinking82 Месяц назад
The Barany chair demonstration was eye opening 😮😮 That makes so much sense!!
@heathjarvis2362
@heathjarvis2362 2 месяца назад
About 15 years ago or so, there was a very similar fatal accident in Alabama. Kid was around 20 years old or so, had bought a Piper Cherokee, and was signed off for solo by his instructor. His limitations were 1) He could only take off and land at his home airport in Pell City, AL. 2) He was limited to 8 knots of wind and VFR conditions. 3) No night flying. 4) No cross country. He took off one night with a low overcast, wind gusting near 30 mph, rain off and on, and intended to fly to Georgia to see his girlfriend. A few minutes after he took off, he busted a TFR over the U.S. Army Weapons Depot in Anniston, AL. As he continued eastward towards Georgia, he got disoriented near Heflin, AL and spun into the forest. When they found the wreckage, there were several empty beer cans in the airplane. I spoke with one of his friends who had reminisced on all the great times they'd had flying together. I said, "Oh, you're a pilot?" The friend said "No." I asked, "Was it just the two of you flying together?" He answered, "Yes." I asked how many times they'd flown together and he replied that it was so many, he couldn't count. I then informed him that, as a student pilot, this guy wasn't allowed to take passengers, and that this friend was lucky to be alive after flying with someone so reckless.
@jasonworden8209
@jasonworden8209 2 месяца назад
The guy the the chair actually started pointing his thumbs left WELL before the chair came to a stop! Fascinating! I've always wondered how a pilot could be turning the opposite direction he thinks he's going! I've watched no less than a hundred air crash investigations, and they've never explained this! Thanks for including that in the video! Very informative!
@martinpenwald9475
@martinpenwald9475 2 месяца назад
That’s a pretty amazing example of how spatial disorientation happens.
@user-jh5fm7ci6o
@user-jh5fm7ci6o 2 месяца назад
Yep, when they put me under the hood in the aircraft, there is no way I can tell the attitude - direction of aircraft or climbing. Your body, no matter how fit you are will lie top you. USE YOUR INSTRUMENTS - TRUST YOUR INSTRUMENTS.
@MoMadNU
@MoMadNU 2 месяца назад
I went up with my instructor, and he took the controls. I was under the hood, and he told me to close my eyes. He did some maneuvers. It was less than 30 seconds, and he told me with eyes still closed to fly us to straight and level. I did a bit of pitching and rolling to get us to what I thought was straight and level. He said to open my eyes but stay under the hood. Well, son of a bitch, looked at the panel and there we were in a 15 degree bank descending. So I started to recover, still under the hood. This is where the real shock came. It took every ounce of faith to fly the airplane on instruments only. I was scared as hell because it just felt so wrong. What it feels like AFTER you perform an instrument recovery was the real lesson.
@jsmirnoff77
@jsmirnoff77 2 месяца назад
The answer for every IFR pilot is to trust their instruments unless there is a sound reason not to.
@blitzstrahl
@blitzstrahl 2 месяца назад
You can quite easily replicate that experiment with any swivel chair.
@JohnDavis-zo4xl
@JohnDavis-zo4xl Месяц назад
Im a 60 yr old geezer, a 28 yr CFI with well over 20k hours. Ive seen a lot. One thing that terrifies me is an operation (Read: Flight School with a wet-ink CFI certificate chief) who ignores my pleas to remove a student for any reason. Ive had to leave more than one due to this. The last one loaded students with loans. Many students exhausted their funds without a checkride (80 plus hours and still not ready). Aviation is NOT for everyone. There are students with absolutely no business near an airplane. Bravo to the CFI who noticed this kids patterns...but I remain baffled how this kid got a plane.
@Cara.314
@Cara.314 14 дней назад
what's to be baffled about? daddy had a fat bank account
@flemingmattox2128
@flemingmattox2128 Месяц назад
Excellent review of this terrible tragedy. I think the underlying problem is that Jet was suffering from bipolar disorder, undiagnosed. He is at the right age for this to start showing itself, and the behavior is spot on for mania or hypomania (overconfidence/insomnia.) Truly sorry that another person suffered the same fate and was probably unaware until the final few seconds. My son has schizophrenia and it was staring me in face and I missed it. He's been on therapy since he was a teen and is controlled with medication. His flight training stopped when he got sick and there are no plans to restart these. Thanks to his friends who cared and let us know our son was sick. So sorry for Jet, his friend and their families.
@TheProcustoms
@TheProcustoms 2 месяца назад
another example of a rich kid doing whatever he wanted to do and showing off for his friend.
@linanicolia1363
@linanicolia1363 2 месяца назад
yeah. beware who you pick as friends. Always use your better judgment. Too late for that kid.
@amorl4520
@amorl4520 2 месяца назад
That is so true. My son hung around with a rich kid!! I was pissed to hear later this kids dad let my son and his son shoot all these guns off on his property!!!! My kid was 15 or 16!! I was always on my kid being a single mom and would of flipped out on that father had I known. Plus this kid put alot of drugs for his freinds because his daddy paid him $1,500 a week while in HS working part time in his gravel business. Here I would net $500 a week with my first job and worked 2 other part time jobs. Parents sometimes has zero knowledge about other parents reckless behavior with their kids. Then sucks your kid into it because it's cool to them. I am glad I got past that stage with my son.
@philipritson8821
@philipritson8821 2 месяца назад
The friend agreed to fly along. He was not kidnapped. Maybe it's a case of two peas in a pod ... or in this case ... two spoiled and over-indulged brats in an aircraft. Aviation is a privilege, don't abuse it.
@TheProcustoms
@TheProcustoms 2 месяца назад
@@philipritson8821 where do you get "kidnapped" from anywhere in this? Yeah, spoiled kids high on drugs.
@theonlywoody2shoes
@theonlywoody2shoes 2 месяца назад
Many years ago I was flying up the east coast of Florida at night. It was clear and calm. Turning inland for Jacksonville I became disorientated - using the moon as a reference the aircraft began to accelerate and descend unexpectedly. The training kicked in (I was VFR only back then) and going on to instruments I got the aircraft back under control. It was only then that I noticed the moon, and its perfect reflection in the still calm water below - it was the latter I had mistaken for the actual moon that led to my disorientation. Thankfully from 6000ft I had plenty of room to correct my error, but it was a lesson well learned.
@chaitanyaaysola6855
@chaitanyaaysola6855 2 месяца назад
This is a well thought out, analytical and clear presentation of the case with very interesting experience from your USAF experience. Thank you for sharing though this was a tragic, preventable case.
@reason1925
@reason1925 2 месяца назад
Very well done. Accurate assessment and level-headed comments.
@TomSwift-wy1gx
@TomSwift-wy1gx 2 месяца назад
Writing to add to the disorientation lesson. An instructor put me in the chair and spun it. I did the left and right thumbs-up thing. Then the instructor said, "Change your radio channel--lean forward, the radio is near your knee." So I leaned my head forward... BANG! My body convulsed and literally threw me out of the chair. The disorientation was so intense my whole body lurched beyond my control. They picked me off the floor.
@pilot-debrief
@pilot-debrief Месяц назад
Love that!
@B3Band
@B3Band Месяц назад
And then you sued because this is America
@guhrizzlybaire
@guhrizzlybaire Месяц назад
@@B3Bandyour life must be so boring if that's where your brain goes after reading a totally unrelated comment
@Nasty-sauce
@Nasty-sauce Месяц назад
@@B3Bandget with the times, the whole America land of the sued thing isn’t as funny or known anymore so people are gonna look at you weird if you make a joke about it.
@awesomeferret
@awesomeferret Месяц назад
@@guhrizzlybaire 😔 your life is ACTUALLY boring because you waste your time telling other people that their lives are boring when they tell a joke that you think isn't funny.
@rowdystix
@rowdystix 2 месяца назад
As someone who is early in instrument training i can say disorientation is REAL. My instructor had me close my eyes and try and hold a 30 degree turn after about 20 seconds or maybe less he said “now recover.” I was in about a 25 degree climb with maybe 20-15 degree bank and approaching stall speed. It was eye opening that without visual reference and without focusing on the instruments just how bad of an attitude you can put your plane in and get there fast.
@jamesfranko5098
@jamesfranko5098 2 месяца назад
That's exactly why you have instruments. Why do people act like primarily using instruments is some big brain concept? The instruments tell you everything.
@bigblue207
@bigblue207 Месяц назад
@@jamesfranko5098yeah but it’s not that simple. It’s that kind of thinking that gets people disoriented easier. I mean, yes, the only answer is to lock on and trust your instruments, but that’s an entire skill in and of itself when your brain and body are telling you how wrong it is. That’s just BAC as well. Now thrown in a frequency change to departure, maybe activating the autopilot, there’s a lot of button pushing going on too. If you’re hand flying, then you’re subject to that confusion and disorientation even longer which gets fatiguing and definitely doesn’t help. Sure, leveling out and staying there for a bit would help, but it’s getting there in the first place that matters.
@Titere05
@Titere05 Месяц назад
This is exactly why I don't understand why VFR is even a thing. Everyone should be instrument rated IMHO
@JosephGreen-us5fr
@JosephGreen-us5fr Месяц назад
I still thank my instructor in my mind nearly every day for making me spend an extra 4 hours "under the hood." He told me I'd thank him for this someday and he was right. He was right about that and teaching me to trust my instruments. They always seem to be right no matter what my brain is saying.
@joeybagodonuts6683
@joeybagodonuts6683 2 месяца назад
That part about spacial disorientation with the chair was really interesting. Thanks for the clear explanation, I'd never really thought about any of that.
@karinpewe3840
@karinpewe3840 Месяц назад
I never fly and don´t even drive a car, but find these videos super interesting for technical and also psychological reasons. There´s a lot to learn from them. Thanks!
@MrLekatt
@MrLekatt 2 месяца назад
77 years old, I'm not flying any longer but I find all your videos very interesting. Younger pilots could potentially avoid dangerous situations by watching them. Great job! 👍
@CockMcBallsddd
@CockMcBallsddd 2 месяца назад
. . .and just staying the hell away from social media. Their level of narcissism is unbelievable. I can't imagine what its like trying to train them now. . .
@6yjjk
@6yjjk 2 месяца назад
I'm saddened by the loss of the friend and the aircraft.
@hermenutic
@hermenutic Месяц назад
Your description of how that chair works was fascinating.
@QPRTokyo
@QPRTokyo Месяц назад
Thank you .
@gregoryknox4444
@gregoryknox4444 2 месяца назад
When I was 17 (I'm 70 now, retired Airbus Capt) I met a 16 yr old kid who had such careless attitude I remembered him until he killed himself by buzzing hitting a low 57 ft high powerlines over a river just before Christmas. It was sad seeing 3 wheel pants sticking out of the iced river. He had broken through a 2 inch powerline that wrapped around the fuselage and pulled him into the river. As I recall, it snapped his neck and he drowned.
@austin33785
@austin33785 2 месяца назад
Good
@phantomraven5044
@phantomraven5044 2 месяца назад
@@austin33785 wtf
@robertray4377
@robertray4377 2 месяца назад
The laws of physics can't be overruled .
@phantomraven5044
@phantomraven5044 2 месяца назад
@@austin33785not good
@MundaneThingsBackwards
@MundaneThingsBackwards 28 дней назад
@@austin33785 ??? Even if you don't care about the person, what about their family? The first responders who had to deal with the mess? The perfectly functional aircraft he wrecked? What a shitty attitude.
@philmann3476
@philmann3476 2 месяца назад
In Seattle recently, we had another entitled 18 year old who blew through a red light at 120 mph, hit another car and killed 4 people including three kids. Amazing thing is, in the ten months before, he had totaled two other cars and his parents had bought him this third replacement. He survived and has pleaded "not guilty." Only in America.
@b0borden437
@b0borden437 2 месяца назад
OMG....awful story of losing 4 people. It won't bring the people back but I hope the families sue the hell out of boys parents as they, too, are to blame for the deaths. I hope the driver spends years in prison to mature and think about what he has done because he is dangerous and has no regard for loss of life.
@gregoryschmidt1233
@gregoryschmidt1233 2 месяца назад
Not "only in America". In poor countries, it is very common for the children of the wealthy and powerful to cause casualties via recklessness, and face no consequences because of their parents' status and influence.
@Metonymy1979
@Metonymy1979 2 месяца назад
I read about that. I had a friend in highschool that totaled 5 cars in one year. I could never understand why they kept giving more cars
@pbrite
@pbrite 2 месяца назад
lol "Only in America". Get out of here, shit like this happens all over the world.
@timothylegg
@timothylegg 2 месяца назад
Money gets you everywhere over there
@DerekJamesLynn
@DerekJamesLynn 11 дней назад
I feel so sorry for this young man flying with Jet and both families… such a sad story, I can’t imagine these boys Mothers and Fathers ever getting over this 😢
@alvarogaitan2529
@alvarogaitan2529 Месяц назад
thanks great video
@bobbin321
@bobbin321 2 месяца назад
Absolutely shocking to find out he had someone else on the plane with him. Very poor decision-making by the pilot and his father.
@tjnucnuc
@tjnucnuc 2 месяца назад
As a former reckless kid with ADHD those drugs will give you tons of false confidence. I am thankful I didn’t have dumb rich parents to reward my bad behavior or I’d probably be dead too. Honestly I think the other kid’s parents should hold the parents accountable.
@secondskins-nl
@secondskins-nl 2 месяца назад
It's not 'those drugs' it's the abuse of those/medication, that's something totally different. Can't really blame alcohol if you kill a few pedestrians driving drunk can you?
@LynxSnowCat
@LynxSnowCat 2 месяца назад
@@secondskins-nl Blaming the [drug] is perhaps too strong a notion. The user's duty is not transferable, so ultimately the responsibility is still theirs. However; _Understanding_ the role drugs (and/or -mania- fetishes) affected them (both good and bad) is important to _recognizing_ and avoiding repeating their mistakes in other contexts. I too have seen the false/inflated confidence leading people to exceed the prescribed/directed dose for their medications, because the impairment as they edge into overdose (higher than therapeutic levels) causes them not to recognise the nature of that impairment. *Even without addiction* it takes constant self-awareness and developing _appropriate_ discipline to correct behaviours leading to recurring 'bad habits'. *Habits that are often intensified* by a prevailing attitude towards dismissing drug-or-mania induced 'out of character' episodes as momentary aberrations and not part of an observable trend precipitated by the misuse of whatever 'socially acceptable' therapy/medication/drug/media/etc. Actively discouraging (outright punishing) seeking better alternatives, while doubling down on the 'easy' answer in hand. (for example:) My [____] of a father has a recurring painkiller+antihistamine habit for which I rightfully blame him for, with the obscene harm he does every time he gets 'a little anxious' _instead of_ getting on an actual pain management plan (disfiguring injury, socialized healthcare, supplemental insurance, and his employer actively hired medical support staff _full time_ then coerced him to use it, leading to him scheduling regular counseling on his own). He consistently deludes himself into thinking "they wouldn't be allowed to sell 'these' drugs OTC if they weren't 'capably' safe" and "I'm following all of the manufactures' instructions to the letter so there can't be anything wrong" without 'considering' most manufacturers aren't expecting someone to use several brands with the same medically active-ingredients _simultaneously_ - [redacted: rage, snowball of politically motivated willful ignorance] It's held him back professionally, but it's easy and so he's surrounded by willfully ignorant idiots who persuade him to do it whenever he seeks advice - because confronting the tangled nuance around (the stigma of getting a prescription medication _versus_ the lower-Eastern-American(?) tradition of self-tonics, and) whatever guilt/shame they deserve for the mistakes they've made, is far more than they are willing _for others_ to consider. (counter example:) I'm also in a support group for narcoleptics (sleep disorders) who have found a common struggle with being medically-abused by "medically qualified" [people] who are so prejudiced against the _medications_ and _basic techniques_ we need that they intervene to abruptly halt treatment without warning or any deeper reasoning than "these Drugs ARE *BAD!"* And even if they [___]off it often takes months to recover the ability to _readily_ communicate, even if doctors didn't _always_ start tritrating us all-over-again at a worthless/ineffective dose *and* refuse to put us back on what was found (through years of painstaking trial and error) to be the effective therapeutic dose for our specific treatment plans -- to avoid being repeatedly censured by regulators, resulting in our shared experiences having to suffer being starved to store-up enough medication to even-attempt a breakout... [redacted: rage, snowball of 'morally' motivated criminal misconduct] .... The point I've wandered away from is: Yes; don't blame the drug for the user's errors. But; Understand how a user's errors with a drug have an insidious (and undesirable) feedback effect, which then primes them to make other (more consequential) mistakes- Especially when the underlying factors in earlier mistakes are ignored, or miss-identified and _incorrectly_ thought to be corrected." I've also seen others (adults since then) fall into similar _brittle_ over-confidence behaviours with anti-depressants (prescribed doses wildly too high) who missed what would later be 'the answer' they've been desperate for because of {a strong childhood stigma against titrating up/down at their discretion} and presumed that a given compound was not going to work. (or later found that X-brand's compounding adversely affected them when forced to switch between whatever Z or Y brand uses, etc.) (edit: Can't cope with, and so hide from confronting the devolving situation their ongoing drug-fueled overconfidence has led them into.)
@tjnucnuc
@tjnucnuc 2 месяца назад
@@secondskins-nl that line between use and abuse is very blurry with amphetamines. yes using those drugs for me and many I know causes feelings of euphoria, anxiety and false confidence. Even at prescribed doses. It’s speed regardless of how little or much you take. Is there a legitimate therapeutic use? Sure.
@divinecommerce3912
@divinecommerce3912 2 месяца назад
@@secondskins-nl THOSE DRUGS ARE LEGAL METH AND HIGHLY ADDICTIVE. ADDERALL RUINS LIVES.
@Glanthor88
@Glanthor88 2 месяца назад
@@tjnucnuc i think it's just convenient to perscribe speed in america... there are so many other ways to treat ADHD... here in eastern europe speed is one of the most used drugs, i used it myself before and i can't imagine who in the right mind would accept to treat his kid with it. yes it can be useful, but there are so many other options and to be effective it needs a very responsible person to take or good supervision. to mee it seems like perscribing oxycontin for minor pain...
@MasterCamus
@MasterCamus 21 день назад
Mate, your videos are great. I hate flying and avoid at all cost but somehow I'm fascinated with flying and your videos are very explanatory and easy to follow. Keep up the good work
@geoffharper8650
@geoffharper8650 13 дней назад
After working 30+ years at a flight school; in Canada as a mechanic , I saw a number of incidents due to pilot error. Often incidents were caused by low time pilots or student pilots , but not always . As a senior mechanic I always taught junior mechanics the work ethic of due diligence , and that in aviation you are always learning whether you are a pilot or mechanic .
@gus_leon
@gus_leon 2 месяца назад
Excellent Pilot Debrief. Flying is a very serious task. Lesson learned: that with great power comes great responsibility. Thank you Hoover for all you do to bring awareness of the importance and responsibilities of flying. Take care!
@lesliesmith719
@lesliesmith719 2 месяца назад
I am not a pilot or controller but enjoy this channel.
@reini3006
@reini3006 2 месяца назад
"With great power comes great responsibility" - well said. However, this not only applies to flying. It is also true for driving a car or riding a motorbike. Hope that people will someday understand...
@gus_leon
@gus_leon 2 месяца назад
@@reini3006 Of course! I agree..this applies for everything in life and not only aviation. Have a great day!
@-Thunder
@-Thunder 2 месяца назад
I'm not a pilot and hadn't seen the Barany Chair before this. That really explains spatial disorientation and why being aware of your instruments is so important.
@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648
@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 2 месяца назад
One could reproduce this with an ordinary office swivel chair too (as long as it isn't too puny).
@johnemerson1363
@johnemerson1363 2 месяца назад
Try sitting in this chair, going through the process, then watch the video of your antics. That was the most powerful eyeopener I ever experienced as a pilot.
@Sweetlyfe
@Sweetlyfe 2 месяца назад
@@johnemerson1363Seems like a good idea that all pilots in training are given that as a training aid as well, it would possibly help people to fight the spatial disorientation after experiencing through the chair and the video first.
@nickl5658
@nickl5658 2 месяца назад
Ooo... my parents had swivel chair that could move like this. As kid, I would sit on it and spin it very very fast, leap off and try to walk straight. It was extremely disorientating. But I learned to ignore my sense of balance and concentrated totally on sight to stand and walk straight.
@meatonthetable1602
@meatonthetable1602 Месяц назад
Great video btw...love it watch all your videos!
@Capt-Intrepid
@Capt-Intrepid 2 месяца назад
Thanks for another great debrief. Gross negligence, Incompetence and Irresponsibility. Teens frequently overestimate their abilities, make poor decisions and sometimes they're fatal. In this case, his father was also grossly negligent and complicit in the deaths of both teens.
@dizzlx4662
@dizzlx4662 2 месяца назад
methinks Jet's dad will be receiving a lawsuit
@billhart3134
@billhart3134 2 месяца назад
And what do you bet his dad sues Piper, the CFI’s and the flight school. My guess is they will do anything to place blame anywhere but themselves.
@simont1108
@simont1108 2 месяца назад
Buying his son a plane was foolish but not illegal. The blame lies with a dead youngster. But the lawyers will overlook that. There is money to be made.
@linanicolia1363
@linanicolia1363 2 месяца назад
actually maybe not , as he was 18. The parents are no longer liable, for any criminal act. That was certainly one, very predictable.
@linanicolia1363
@linanicolia1363 2 месяца назад
John Travolta did that, named his autistic son, Jet. He died of a head injury due to a fall in the bathtub, as he was having a seizure. It is what they said, happened to the kid. That one never got to fly his own plane.
@TheDesertRat31
@TheDesertRat31 2 месяца назад
​@simont1108 nope. Buying the plane directly led to the death of the friend. If the Dad didn't buy the plane,there wouldn't be any plane to crash. Would the kid have found another way? Maybe, probably, but we know for sure he would not have crashed this plane.
@user-gl9iz1bp1r
@user-gl9iz1bp1r 2 месяца назад
The Barany chair demo is an eye opener. Thanks
@user-md9yv7jx2c
@user-md9yv7jx2c Месяц назад
Great explanation for disorientation. I remember how the pier rolled under my feet after 3 weeks underway. People can get "land sick" from that.
@DrJohn493
@DrJohn493 2 месяца назад
It is a real shame that these kinds of accidents repeat themselves. A long time pilot acquaitance bought his son a worn out wood wing Mooney years ago, got an A&P to "pencil whip" an annual, the son took three others flying with him on nice day, buzzed his parents house, pulled up abruptly, pulled a wing off the Mooney, and killed all four on board. His parents and friends of the family witnessed the whole thing. Investigators found rot in the wing structure. That dad and the mother never recovered from the grief and ultimately led to their divorce.
@rebelroar78
@rebelroar78 2 месяца назад
Thinking about being on a plane with rotten wood makes me want to throw up.
@nathanielalgernon975
@nathanielalgernon975 2 месяца назад
shouldn't there be some sort of certificate associated with selling an airplane to ensure it's airworthy.
@davidkavanagh189
@davidkavanagh189 2 месяца назад
@@nathanielalgernon975 Nope. It's up to the owner/operator to ensure it is airworthy. A plane can be sold in any condition.
@davidkavanagh189
@davidkavanagh189 2 месяца назад
@@nathanielalgernon975 To be more clear, there is a certificate of airworthiness but it can be expired or revoked. You can buy a plane with an expired certificate and have a mechanic do the maintenance due on it to renew the certificate. That is the responsibility of the owner/operator.
@christhorney
@christhorney 2 месяца назад
@@nathanielalgernon975 brother read the comment you replied to again, the new owner got an annual pencil whipped up, meaning, he got his buddy to certify the plane without actually inspecting it, there is no need to provide anything when you sell a plane, if it doesnt have a valid annual then you wont be able to register and insure and fly it legally, so you need the annual inspection for airworthyness, but in this case is was "pencil whipped" up lol. if your selling a plane without a valid airworthy then its obviously going to be a lot cheaper than one that has a valid certificate, the dad obviously brought the cheapest POS plane he could get, got it through the airworth inspection be dodgy means, and therefore it crashed, it has nothing at all to do with the person who sold the plane in the condition it was in, and everything to do with the new owner trying to save some bucks on buying the cheapest plane with no valid airworthy and then pushing it through a dodgy inspection to get the required paper work to be "legal"
@phazedscrubs
@phazedscrubs 2 месяца назад
I remember my first time entering into IMC on an instrument cross country during my instrument training and I became disoriented. My instructor noticed smiled and said welcome to disorientation, now trust your instruments. I kept whispering to myself trust my instruments not my ear fluids and I managed to fly perfectly fine, especially when we were told to hold which is where the disorientation can kick in. Now before I enter IMC I always tell myself trust my instruments not the fluids in my ears and never had issue flying in actual imc ever since. Flying in IMC is no joke especially for those who never received the training so no wonder this poor kid crashed.
@DrDeuteron
@DrDeuteron 2 месяца назад
the fluids in your ears work just fine, since they respond to gravitation. It's the wet-ware processing the data that is no-good.
@bobwilson758
@bobwilson758 2 месяца назад
Poor kid ?
@JoeGator23
@JoeGator23 2 месяца назад
@@bobwilson758 Poor kid? More like ignorant manslaughterer.
@phazedscrubs
@phazedscrubs 2 месяца назад
@@DrDeuteron oh yeah, I remember during my private my CFI told me to close my eyes and put my head down and he did some turns and tricked me if we were turning but he caused the fluids to stabilized and told me to recover with the foggles on and it was trippy as hell. He said it will get serious once I start my instrument training. Oh boy he was right
@p0llk4t07
@p0llk4t07 2 месяца назад
​​@@DrDeuterondid you even watch this video which includes a clip of a military disorientation test they showed which demonstrated that you can't trust your inner ear fluid 😂
@kylerburden-kp2gz
@kylerburden-kp2gz 2 месяца назад
i remember being in elementary and high school with Jet. i got notified by my other buddy about Jets crash and was in disbelief. i was in shock and started asking buddy’s around that i we t to school with that knew him and it was true. prayers for jet and his family as well as John cole. Fly High 🕊️love yall
@jamiecheslo
@jamiecheslo 2 месяца назад
So let me see if I have this correct.... Jet gets kicked out of flight school, and Dad rewards this behaviour by buying him an airplane. What could possibly go wrong? The most extreme outcome possible for enabling their child's dysfunction. Wow. Just wow. So tragic that a family has lost their son in such a manner.
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