Pilot Makes Tragic Mistake on Family Vacation Flight! 

Thank you. I could see your emotion.

I'm not a Pilot & I know little about aviation. I really can't comprehend why a Pilot would not get their IFR rating & why would an unpressurized plane only have 3 oxygen masks when it seats 6. That blows my mind especially when the family is involved. I wish I had the skill (& nerve) to be a Pilot. It such a shame that so much of this is preventable. Hoover thanks for the videos & debriefs. I just imagine they might save a life

Bearing in mind that even the most safety conscious pilot can occasionaly find themselves unintentionally in weather, would it not be an idea to, mandate that all pilots obtain their instrument rating within a certain timeframe (maybe 2 years) upon getting their licence? It seems to me that, had this accident never occured, sooner or later a similar situation would arrise for this pilot. If he's not even taking any further training towards his instrument rating, he's never going to be any better at handling the situation than he was at this time. Seems it's just an accident waiting to happen.

@@KenFullman Exactly. IFR needs to be mandatory within a certain time period. I don't understand why a Pilot wouldn't want to voluntary obtain every skill rating possible? After all it could make the difference between life & death.

@@KenFullman Not really a valid argument. A competent and level headed VFR only pilot will not find themselves in this situation, as Hoover points out the cumulative bad/wrong decisions of this pilot. And second, many, many GA aircraft do not have the required equipment to be able to fly IFR, so the idea of mandating IFR ratings is irrelevant if you only fly a plane that does not have the required instrumentation for IFR. ( bad decision chain - he didn't get training on this aircraft, or it's autopilot, he didn't comprehend the AirMET, he flew into deteriorating conditions with multiple pilot reports that the conditions were beyond his or his plane's capabilities and still did not turn around. And last he did not come clean with ATC and ask for help once he got in too deep as Hoover points out.)

I’m curious as to whether an ATC would ‘assume’ that this pilot would have an instrument rating because of the high performance aircraft he was flying? Would an ATC even ask if a pilot was instrument rated as he was getting into an instrument environment?

​@@glasshalffull2930They will sometimes ask if they have a doubt. It's not to prevent the pilot from flying on instruments but rather so ATC knows they have to give extra attention to help the pilot.

I’m just curious if ok to ask how long is your training ?? I can’t imagine how you can manage all those planes and souls on board so safely day after day you guys don’t get enough credit imo ❤❤

I am a retired controller. I generally would have asked if he is IFR rated prior to offering. Ultimately not the controller's fault but I wonder if the FAA brought it up.

Stay safe out there bud, I hear it’s a tough job.

like most things in life

That's a really weak way to think. One should strive for wisdom and experience in multiple fields. If someone so chooses to become a pilot, good for them, however, they need to dedicate lots of time to its mastery. Don't be a wuss

As someone who probably won't ever be able to afford getting a pilot's license with the modern economy and wages, it's both funny and irritating seeing stories about Richie people crashing their planes because of not respecting the skill and danger management that flying needs.

The same could be said for incompetent drivers behind the wheel of a car. There are far more of those.

I was shocked when the guy handed me my license. I thought I had screwed up. He did say “this is a license to learn.” I stopped after about 130 hours because I felt I was not on top of the skill set needed. I could not fly often enough and frankly my training was not great; I never felt like I could deal with a spin as one important example.

I agree. By asking for help in plenty of time, then absorbing what you are doing also improves your skills at the same time.

@@wilsjane Always learning and willing to gain more information is a good thing even when you think you know it all.

@@paullelys161 I am a chartered engineer and at the age of 75, I still come across something new almost every week. Most of the guys who know it all, could write it down on the back of a cigarette packet. I worked with one of them during the refurbishment of Heathrow and I am lucky to have any hair left. LOL

I agree and personally have gained so much because I'm willing to ask questions. It's always better to know as much as possible in whatever you do but I guess it is a life skill given that so many people are unable to do it.

Amen! Pride cometh before a fall

Jason entered the clouds and lost situation awareness in an environment he wasn't trained, and killed himself and entire family for a vacation.🤕

@@vencap11 It’s crass and unnecessary to say something like that to someone who’s seen the video and personally knows the deceased.

​​@@willywillywillywillywilly Facts are facts! Facts don't care about your feelings! Truth saves lives!

​@iloveschicken6527 yeah. That's what the video is there for. Stating the same facts that we all just watched to this guys friend and without the least consideration... that's just being an asshole. Didn't save anyone, and neither did your comment defending him.

You wouldn't believe the folks that will stretch their fuel to the last drop! Thinking they can go another 15-20mi to so and so airport. Never thinking about who's onboard, their weight, the weight of their bags and how it affects the distance they can travel. That 20mi just dropped to 7 because they forgot about all the "duty free" alcohol they've brought back on their trip! Happens a lot!

Pilots EGO and Complacency…..

It’s not just get-there-itis. Get-there-itis can easily be defused by having an open-ended approach to things. “It’s not a big deal!” “I can turn around if I need to.” “I’m just going for a looky loo.” It’s get-HOME-itis that is fatal. Now you are under pressure. Time pressure to get back home. Maybe pressure to get back to work or tasks. Financial pressure as every day you spend in a hotel with the plane parked at an FBO is costly.

Don't rely on flying if it's somewhere you HAVE to get to. It's too unpredictable. Esp. with light aircraft.

He's not wrong

Indeed. It's bad piloting. It's terrible parenting. The first job of any parent is to keep their children safe. He should never have dreamed of flying like this with his children on board.

​@@thomasdalton1508with only 3 oxygen masks?? So unbelievably sad. So many other options for a safe trip that didn't involve him flying a plane he knew so little about.

@@sarahalbers5555 Indeed. Planning a flight at 13,500 ft without enough oxygen for everyone is questionable at best, but changing plan mid-flight and going well above that is reckless.

There is no guarantees in life…saying those kids had 60-70 years left to possibly life is ignorance.

@@johnnytactical3054 There is no guarantee implied in the word "should"...

Bare minimum doesn’t seem like enough to load your whole family aboard. What are these guys thinking. What arrogance.

I've been an instructor since 2001 and all I could think of reading this was "Oh HELL no.." His family should mean more to him than that.

YUP!!!! I remember I had a guy who had a private and wanted a sign off. He nearly caused a runway incursion, an accelerated stall, and spin on our first flight. He also had NO familiarity with towered airport procedures because as he claimed, his instructor was an older gentleman who taught him out of a class G airport. Based off of his description of his training, I was amazed that he even passed his checkride. I did not sign this individual off, even after four/five flights.

Glad to have CFIs like you folks holding the bar high.

Amen!! 28 yr CFI and Ive seen similar. I once had a yahoo with zero flight time get a Comanche 250--was shocked to learn I would NOT be training him in that plane..

Almost impressive isn't it? I say this as a private pilot working on their IFR rating.

Plagued by hubris unfortunately. Confidence is one thing but knowledge of when to ignore it is a more important one...

Yup throughout the whole event he acted like he knew what he was doing, trying to impress the other person was part of his character

well that probably was one of his better options. not taking the clearance, he would have struggled maintaining vfr (which he probably wasn't anyway, probably looking outside more that he should have at that point). so taking the clearance would hopefully focus him on the instruments. unfortunately he didn't have the ability to control the airplane that way. hoover said the pilot should have asked for help, and I think the controller did the best he could by offering that clearance, and then followed it by giving a vector, but apparently it was too late cuz the pilot was probably already disoriented. the only thing else I can think the controller could have possibly done is give a lesson on instrument scan over the radio, but controllers aren't necessarily pilots, let alone instrument instructors.

A real dumb ass!!!

Better to be safe than in this type of a problem.

You sir, are an awesome pilot! I will fly with a pilot that exercises sound pilot decision making skills any day over one with golden hands and feet. And the thing is, people appreciate when pilots say no. The pressure to perform is often self-induced.

When you send those texts make sure to include this video or a video that has similar variables If I was a customer and got text I’d be peeved but a video to press your point I’d be buying you dinner haha

And, as a passenger, sometimes the smartest thing you can do is to say, "I'm not getting on that aircraft." If things aren't looking right, better to walk.

One of the paramotor guys i watch said “if your attitude before the flight isn’t ‘F..k Yeah I’m Ready!’ then don’t go.” I totally agree. At this point I’ve gone to the airport and not flown as many times as i’ve gone and flown. Better to be on the ground wishing you were flying, than in the air wishing you were on the ground.

That's just it, guys get embarrassed.just asking for directions. I have a brain injury and have pulled over many times for a good stretch and to clear my head. I don't understand what this guy was thinking.

Lol noob

Exactly! And you are here to talk about it. Making the right decision is always win-win!

I was thinking the *exact same thing*. Maybe I got lucky, but my flight school had a sim (3 actually) and when the wx was bad instead of cancelling we'd just hop in a sim and he'd put me in these types of scenarios with no warning. I froze up the first time (not knowing what I should do), but with a few reps it drives the point home. Glad I learned that in a sim vs. real life.

@hefeibao It's been my experience that good instructors will throw anything at you just to see how you respond. Real life is unpredictable, why shouldn't sim training. Some instructors go a bit nuts if you just give up, there's a line between learning and being humiliated that takes all the joy out of it.

Perfect Not Me attitude explanation truly is

Absolutely correct. Sad sad story. I’m a quite experienced pilot with ATP and a few type ratings and I have zero desire to buy an aircraft and all I ever take my family on are 172s and it’s all very local and has to be nice weather. Even then anything can happen but this story was just tragic.

I understand and agree with most of what you say, however, what does middle aged have to do with it?

@@cremebrulee4759 It has nothing to do with it. Most of these types of comments are made by non pilots that haven't a single clue what they are talking about. They just think they're being impressive with their blah blah blah holier than thou comments. Grouping masses of people together into one skill level is ridiculous and they are just yapping hoping for likes.

@@cremebrulee4759 I think he’s referring to the phenomenon of people in their middle ages trying to catch up for things they missed out on early in life. Another example is of all the people who go climbing Mount Everest in middle age who have absolutely no business doing so but because now the commercialization of Mount Everest makes it possible. They think they should do so, regardless of the risk.

This seems like a really real comment.

Absolutely agree. Hoover clearly getting choked up got me too. He definitely cares about these debriefs and the lessons they can convey.

Turn around Jason your friends at the surprise party will understand you love your family nd there will be other times ....

​@@eriklarson9137yeah, it's a bot comment.

​@@Cazador60140who are you talking to bro?

Bro is welling up. Tragic loss.

@PymouthVT as an aspiring future commercial pilot, I can only say that I massively appreciate these videos. It is so utterly important to do proper briefings before and during the flight, even or maybe especially if you're flying alone, to be aware of any and all of your limitations, never cutting corners, not succumbing to get-there-itis, etc. These videos, not just from Hoover, are extremely valuable lessons. All the other pilots in training, that I know personally, are very keen on watching all this incident reports and analysis. None of us wants to end up like that.

Yeah idk if he’s married and has kids but I’m presuming so and every man can identify with many moments in life where dropping our ego and asking for help would have helped us out It’s just that in this predicament there was no lesson for that man and his family only for us that viewers, super tragic

He is wearing a wedding band.

I thought the same thing.

Get that Commercial Rating before you start putting friends and family at risk.

Yeah sure bud

@@billnorblat4047 and Instrument Rating

I intend to get my private pilot's licence in the not too distant future... I'm sure that the information I've gained from this channel will come in handy on more than one occasion. I want to learn to fly, but not become the subject of a future Pilot Debrief upload.

One right here. I am not flying.

I would just avoid putting my whole family inside a tiny single engine aircraft completely period, even if i am the pilot, not worth it, we need to stop this nonsense, we are talking about multiple decades old pieces of trash aircrafts built in the 60 and 70, the time for this pieces of junk has passed, the industry needs to start build the new thing for generations ahead that will replace this tiny flying time bombs. Because of the internet ERA, RU-vid and channels like this, we now realize how often this things lall out of the skies.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@lcfflc3887 You did know that airlines - with excellent safety records - do fly airframes that are a number of decades old? You also are aware that new airplanes, built this month and designed not more than 12 months ago, can be complete trash and planes from the ‘60s and ‘70s are still being flown because these aircraft types have withstood the test of time - barely anyone would want to fly an aircraft that is crap, old nor not. If you want to know how often these things fall out of the skies, go read the statistics. And don’t forget the number of times car crashes happen, don’t forget the death rate by cancer, don’t forget the firearm incidents that maim or kill people. And you want to fly multi-engine planes instead of single-engine ones? Do you understand that multi-engine planes are more difficult to handle and with two engines the chance of an engine failure is (almost) double of a single-engine one? Never mind the cost of the larger airframe, twice the engine maintenance cost as you have two engines, the added workload for the pilot - there is a reason 2 engine planes tend to have dual pilot controls and many of these planes expect a second pair of eyes and hands. Even if you can fly them alone. What do you do when an engine goes on strike and your glass cockpit fails? You’re now the flight engineer for the engines - both the good one and the bad one -, navigator with paper maps (or maybe a tablet to get you to a landing spot and you also have to aviate, with a partial or completely missing instrument panel … and you may be in IFR conditions and your ears do the somatic hallucinations on you … Nice overload there.

His wife trusted him! Gaslighter .

I agree. We usually think of ego as pride ... an over confidence. I think in this case it was maybe more like shame, which can also be about ego - not asking for help because he believed he *should* be able to resolve the situation by himself.

⁠@@howard5992 There is fake humility, which by definition cannot be honest. But there’s a thing to the “shame” aspect: “real men don’t XYZ” is extremely toxic. Not going to the GP to check out concerning symptoms. Not talking about emotions. Not being allowed to be weak, fail, ask for help. Not seeking support, in whatever you do, be it mental health or tying a tie or being bullied, or having anger issues, or changing a punctured wheel on the roadside or admitting to not knowing the first thing about the oil dipstick.

@@advorak8529 - I think we are agreeing with each other here. The main issue is he needed to ask for guidance.

@@advorak8529there’s a few groups who absolutely feed into this issue. I’d venture to guess most pilots identify as members of these groups. These groups tend to attract the same type of people between them. Think gun guys,car guys,pilots, lots of people in a particular political party… These are things I don’t think people want to discuss in our country because it would absolutely impact LOTS of people.

I didn't notice it

@@midgie1166his voice does sound a bit shaky and his eyes do seem to hold some tears back around the 14 min mark. Hoover, thank you for the service you provide by making these videos. You’re not only a good pilot and content creator but I believe you’re a good person as well.

Agreed

yes you can clearly see his right eye more than left get watered up and then voice was getting shaky more and more it hit home for him and anyone watching

Yep. Hard to miss, bless him 😔

....... well said and the tragedy was he hadn't up until the point he refused to abort and turn back to clear air. The weather can change on any day, there is no shame is aborting a flight. Its the smart thing to do.

Yes. Jason was an idiot

Absolutely agree, same happened to JFR Jr. pride and pressure to keep a schedule that was not reasonable for the conditions or experience. Having practiced ILS approaches in IMC on the flight gear flight simulator I can see how fast one can get tasks saturation and disoriented.

Do you think anyone concerned is seeing YOUR condolences? Or are you just trying to brag you care?

I'm one of those men who's never too proud to ask for directions... But always ashamed of being late through causes of my own stupidity. Probably a good attitude to keep if I do eventually get my pilot's licence.

I noticed that as-well, and looked teary eyed.😢

Yeah, seemed pretty tough. Reasonable considering the details.

He definitely struck a nerve on this one. Hopefully it will teach someone not to fly over their head.

not only that he ruined the party for the others attending also especially the ones throwing the party, cuz they might feel a bit guilty and at the very least now have bad memories to that day!!

JFK.Jr. repeat.

Parent.

A common thread in all these debriefings is male ego.

I think seeing Pied Pipers lead children to their deaths is sadder.

Flying commercial from SFO to Vegas is billed at 1hr40 mins. He should have done that and they would have landed in the heart of the city, no stress and perfectly safe.

If there WERE decent passenger train services he could have taken a train and the kids would have had a pleasant time.

Or land at Bakersfield, rent a car and drive the rest of the way.

One of my coworkers had three GA aircraft. He pointed out to me that they weren't good for vacation travel. GA flies in weather and weather then actually determines if you can get back from vacation on time. He said his planes could leave you delayed returning from vacation by a week or so if weather develops. I guess also leaving on vacation could be delayed by days.

You're probably right, but bad accidents happen on the road too. If he got into a situation he shouldn't have in the air, what kind of choices does he make when driving?

It’s going to happen again. And again. And again.

Everyone could see that tear building up, you are doing a great service to the flying community.

I’ve watched several dozen of Hoover’s videos and can’t recall him getting choked up like this. I appreciated him showing some emotion. This was certainly as sad story, and I’m sure anyone with kids would be empathetic.

We've had these sayings for over 70 years in flying, especially things like 46 seconds VFR into IFR and you're done. HONESTLY after 50 years of flying myself I'm tired of people that ignore all the warnings and data and kill themselves. IFR, Ice, Rain, no training in this plane, low hours, complex aircraft, high altitude.... at this point I have zero sympathy.

@@arthurfoyt6727 I have sympathy for his family - such a tragedy ultimately caused by an inability to recognize and admit his own limitations. Makes the case for single-pilot CRM training.

@@dlgabouryI see it was a murder-suicide. This guy was unhinged and took his family with him. So many limitations and zero cations on his part. This makes me so mad because it also make GA pilots look like id-10T's.

Bravo!

Old pilots, and bold pilots. No old, bold pilots. Neil Armstrong was chosen as commander and LM pilot because he actually did not care if he’d be the first one landing on the moon or not.

It does surprise me more private pilots don't get instrument ratings. I understand the time and cost, but it seems like it would not only make you a safer pilot but would also allow you a lot more flexibility in the case of inclement weather, you don't have to cancel your plans because it's cloudy. Perhaps this is just me as I live in a part of the world where IFR conditions are common, and planning cross country trips without IFR would be a roll of the dice.

I think of a PPL + instrument rating more as an impetus to continually hone your piloting skills and a tool for very limited IMC conditions. What it isn’t is a license to go wandering into any kind of weather. I honestly think, in order to fly into any heavy IMC you need a high performance aircraft, with a high operational ceiling, and a lot of currency in the IFR system. Anything less puts your risk profile way out on the margins.

Why would anyone fly without an instrument rating? I'm not a pilot. But I just can't wrap my head around it. Its not a question of if you hit weather but when. Any reasonable human being can understand this.

@@robhoneycutt I think if it's sufficient enough to cover the most common types of IMC weather, that's fine. Few private pilots will ever be able to afford to fly the kind of aircraft that have the performance ceilings to deal with more adverse conditions. But unless you live in a few unusual places such conditions are rare. Something like overcast clouds or (not torrential) rain.

@@patrickwelch620 In the US, less than half (368k out of 809k) of active private pilots hold an instrument rating. It’s really not that difficult to stay clear of IMC conditions.

Anytime there are children involved, it makes the debrief more difficult for me. Thanks for your support.

Almost as if he didn't realise that everybody's lives were in his hands

Pride is expensive

​@@AndrewTa530You are 100% correct! I tell everyone to get their IR asap. Learning to use the instruments isn't that hard, and it makes all the difference in the world. The auto pilot is also easy to learn and it makes flying much more enjoyable. Manually flying an aircraft for even an hour is tiring. It's not like driving a car. There's so much to keep track of and the auto pilot takes a lot of that stress off.

Get real. Exactly what help was a controller going to give to a VFR pilot that flew into IMC? Surveillance vectors when he can't even hold the heading he's on? Is the controller going to talk him out of that graveyard spiral? He sealed everyone's fate when he penetrated IMC with KIC and nobody was gonna talk his way out of it from the ground.

Exactly. Every VFR-only pilot's mantra should be, _"if I get into IMC I'm going to kill myself and others."_ Non-negotiable. No excuses. Don't do it.

Training? That's not a commonly valued exercise. I don't know why. I'm guessing that flying for the deceased was just a faster way to travel at will. It couldn't have been an affordability issue for him.

Can’t pull over in the air yes sir

@@user-iu4wh1zs6t that's my point, as a Naval Aviator, we trained, and trained, and trained. Granted, I flew off aircraft carriers, did stuff GA doesn't do. But training made us proficient. It isn't something GA does, they tend to log time. But there is value in training, such as earning your instrument ticket. Hope that makes sense.

Outside of the military, flight training costs money.

Not just the inexperience... JUST CUZ THE LACK OF IT.... you could've much easier choose to abort and 180turn

Delusional about his abilities and an ego t h a t would not allow him to ask for help

The family photo broke my 💜

Easy solution…don’t buy a plane

It's called "EGO"

Maybe they are both?

@@seansoccer100 NO! Saying they are both is too complicated, and JB can't feel superior to them if it's both!

I believe they can be both. But "mistakes" is a little less judgemental than "TERRIBLE CHOICES. PERIOD" (and in all caps just in case somebody didn't get the point) Perhaps if he and his family had survived, he would have contemplated the mistakes and learned from them. Or maybe he would have continued making terrible choices. We will never know. What I know is that I was profoundly saddened by this. I'm sure there is great pain and loss for those who knew and loved the family.

@@eriklarson9137 WTF...?

Bingo

Learning to fly seems a lot like being involved in horse racing - it suddenly becomes a compulsory rite of passage the moment you can afford to actually do it. I've known people with no interest in either, but as soon as they have the cash they go all in. Never understood that.

I am a marine Captain and we say "All it takes is money."

Bigshotitus.

I don’t understand how you want to hate on pilots, yet most people have outside hobbies that they spend a whole lot more money on than pilots. You know what a 45’ Yellow Fin or a Midnight Express goes for? Or what a Class A RV cost these days??? Y’all need to check yourselves and do better 😘

40k people die a year in vehicle accidents. Which is worse, as far as lack of training, situational awareness, and responsibility to your passengers? A crashed aircraft just has a more dramatic imprint on the psyche, as it is a large object falling from the sky. Perspective.

Great point. As an instructor (lapsed) I would say to students your not nipping to the shops for a packet of fags, once your wheels leave the ground you are committed. Plan and dont be lazy. Some were and thats why I gave up. They will let you down and hurt you as well as themselves.

@@DMBFREAKNLK far more people die in cars because more people travel in them more regularly. no matter how you cut the data, fatalities per km travelled or fatalities per hour spent travelling, private plane is many times more dangerous than driving, in contrast to commercial plane which is far safer. but my real point is that flying is a much more complex and demanding task than driving and, imo, too many people treat it way too casually. which is one reason why the stats prove its so much more risky.

And most can't drive normal!

@@-yeme-You hit the nail on the head there! After watching these videos it’s very unlikely I would ever get in a single engined aircraft especially with only one pilot. If you don’t like how someone is driving or the car feels a bit flaky you can ask the driver to pull over and get out. Try doing that at 10000 ft in the air😮

My question is how did he not read his air speed before turning, and why did he turn left when ATC told him to correct to the right? I get how he turned left blind in the storm initially, kinda, it seems like he could at least read his heading, but after he did and it got worse, What could have possessed him to make such a high speed turn in the wrong direction?

@@fivetriplezero8985 We will never know, but suspect spatial disorientation. You can not tell your up/down or left/right; so you have to trust the instruments. This is something that requires training.

@@Vejitasei That doesn't seem likely. Surely he knew which way he was pulling the yoke. If he was so disoriented by the storm outside that he couldn't tell what his hands were doing on the stick then he had far greater problems than just bad decision making. Just like his air speed, it is baffling that he couldn't know the direction he was turning relative to himself. Relative to the ground is another thing, but how could one be so confused as to pull back and left when they meant to pull flat right? And why didn't he at least check his air speed before hand? It seems like a panicked maneuver, maybe he already had lost control?

@fivetriplezero8985 If you’ve ever spun around in a circle or office chair several times in a row and suddenly stopped, you’ve experienced the disequilibrium and spatial disorientation that can happen when you’re in the clouds. Even though you are seeing information that says one thing your kinesthetic system is feeling something else. This causes a miscommunication between what you feel and what you perceive. Normal you’re able to overcome this when you spun around in circles by fixing on an item in the distance. But when you’re in IMC all you can see is white in front of you. You need to trust the instruments in the plane. What happens is you get this sensation that you might be in a dive, or the sensation that you might be turning left. The instruments will tell you what’s really going on , however, unless you’ve been trained to completely ignore your senses and 100% rely on the instruments, people follow that feeling. That causes them to make incorrect control inputs for their actual attitude of flight. You can have a sensation that you were falling backwards, turning left, or that you were a climb. So you attempt to make control inputs to correctthis feeling that you have. And because everything is white outside, nothing ever gets better. It can be exceedingly disorienting when you are in the cloud and have spatial disorientation. The only way to correct this is to 100% relying on the controls. There is an old article called “198 seconds to live“. The article is somewhat out of date and didn’t have modern equipment, but basically people that flew into the clouds basically ended up inverted, nose down altitude, and crash after about 198 seconds. Instrument flying is about learning to completely disregard your senses and only put control input based off what the instruments are telling you. It’s a learn skill that requires an additional rating in lots of training to be able to execute.

​@@fivetriplezero8985 My understanding is that you can get a relative direction from your inner ear and visual references. Without a visual reference, your inner ear can play tricks on you. Yes, you know up/down and left/right, but you cannot feel how much up or down or how much left or right you are going because you are given confusing signals from your inner ear. There was another video where the guy felt he was going down, but he had not realized that the plane angle was extreme, so when he pulled back out of the "dive" he actually increased the spiral.

Yet doctors are known for augering in fairly routinely. Not the best attitude for a CFI. Maybe that’s why we have so many poorly trained pilots.

Totally agree with you. I was CF II and ME II. Stopped flying recently, age reason.

Did you press charges for attempted murder? 😂

Well, I don't think weather is the number one killer of pilots. The number one killer is the pilot, for whatever reasons, flying into weather he or she has no business doing so.

Don't let the foolish mistakes of others keep you from getting your pilot's license if that's your dream. Nothing in the books says you ever have to repeat the mistakes made here. Just your good judgment here shown in your comment tells me you have what it takes.

A friend of mine who works for PG&E a long time ago suggested I should be a lineman. I told him “absolutely not I’m terrified of heights and getting electrocuted” and he replied “that’s exactly why you’d make a good lineman”.

🛫📖🛬 Well said ✈️👍

I see a lot of people who put themselves and others in danger by being so careful they become what we call "a hazard to navigation." So don't get in others way with what you think is being careful.

My worst fault, no help needed, that my wife finally rid me of. "It's okay honey, this freezer isn't that heavy". A month on the sofa fixed that problem.

Totally agree with your comment here. I felt the very same way. Very sad.

Yes, they rely on ego and luck and never just back off. It is not pride it is ego, learn the difference, please. Pride A feeling of joy and success that can lead to humility. Pride can be a feeling of satisfaction with one's own achievements or the achievements of others. It can also be a feeling of pride in one's abilities, appearance, wealth, or power. Pride can be a standard of approval that can motivate gratitude and appreciation. Ego A feeling of being superior to others, or self-admiration. Ego can be a self-image that can interfere with understanding and lead to hatred. Ego can also be a feeling of self-importance or arrogance. Too much ego can lead to arrogance.

@@superbmediacontentcreator OK. So that your apparent need to give instruction to others isn't wasted, how's this: "Ego cometh before the fall" ?

@@DoudD I gave no instructions to others just that if they use words they might want to use the appropriate words instead of the wrong words. You seem to be cast in the same mold as Jason, the guy who crashed in this video. So you might want to shut up and just take things in rather than open your mouth and confirm what others (obviously) think of you. Besides I am so out of your league that it's laughable.

While I agree with you, it still bothers me about the Dad's mind set. The family should be priority #1. For him to put them in danger, to me is very arrogant in that he thought he was competent enough to handle that flight at that stage in his experience.

He wasn't ifr quilfy

she wasn't qualified to fly either.

Nailed it. Little tiny single engined aircraft are no substitute for a passenger jet liner with multiple redundancies, purpose built for night, IMC and icing conditions. Oh, and two highly trained and experienced pilots.

As we say in the industry, the rules and regs are written in blood.

I don't think any rule on the planet could have saved this family from perishing except one which doesn't exist, which is that, no pilot who lacks a current instrument rating and shall be permitted to depart an airport with passengers in a turbocharged complex aircraft when weather along the route of flight is forecast to be MVFR or worse, but I fear even such rule as that wouldn't have prevented this tragedy. The circumstances here are eerily similar to the JFK Jr. accident: Undertrained pilot who's not instrument rated in complex airplane flying passengers into instrument conditions and failing to ask for help or a way out (of IFR conditions) from ATC.

It’s expensive training.

Usually yes, but it is expensive

@@shadowscall7758dude bought his own private plane. He had the money

Most people now can't drive anyways, in fact they can't even walk. My biggest nightmare is not the freeway in a blinding snowstorm, it's running someone over at the supermarket at 3MPH. The entire parking lot is not one big crosswalk.

if you have money to purchase a plane, then you have money to shell out 12k for the training.

Perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. His lack of knowledge and skill caused him to overestimate his own competence.

@@pilot-debriefso basically not sad at all and just a Darwin award

​@@overlordfemto7523Don't be a jerk. Three children died in this crash.

@@overlordfemto7523 Innocent people died. If you don't find that sad, then there is something missing or broken in you.

Arrogant prick. Was he a Doc? They’re called Dr killers for a reason. Ego and arrogance are a recipe for a flying disaster. We had a Doc here in N. Indiana, Dr Hatch who killed 2 wives and I believe 2/3 kids including himself in 2 crashes. First crash he was flying in bad weather and flew into power lines and killed his first wife and at least one child and was burned badly. Then he decided to keep flying and flew into bad weather in N Michigan. Tried to land at an airport and parked it into a garage short of the runway, killing himself and his second wife and left his son, in the back seat, with a head injury and brain damage. 🫤🫤🫤🫤🫤🫤🫣🫣🫣