The DEADLY Truth About The Dallas Air Show Crash!

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The Dallas Air Show crash never should have happened. The investigation revealed several shocking details over the course of ~1,700 pages of interviews and evidence. It was very difficult to cover every single detail in this short video. That's why I've included some additional information below.
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If you want to become an Air Boss today, there’s technically no requirement that you have experience as an air traffic controller, you don’t need to be a pilot or have formation flying experience. It’s essentially an informal apprenticeship program where you spend a lot of time observing other air bosses. Eventually you get a few letters of recommendation, you pass a written exam, and you attend a course through ICAS and then an Air Boss Evaluator will observe you in action and if everything’s good then ICAS will make a recommendation to the FAA and the FAA will issue you a letter of authorization.
One of the most shocking things about this tragedy was that the warning signs were already there. Two weeks prior to this crash there was an air show in Houston. The air boss’s father was the Air Boss for that show but his son was there and helping out. It was reported that during the Houston show on Saturday they had an incident of a fighter flying head on at a C-47 and passing below them when they were only 200 feet above the ground. Even though the pilot said it wasn’t normal, he never talked to the Air Boss about it. Then, on Sunday during the Houston show, a P-51 cut through the middle of the bomber formation at the same altitude as the bombers. This wasn’t planned or briefed and it allegedly happened because of something the Air Boss directed the P51 to do on the radio. Unfortunately, because this happened on Sunday, there was no debrief after flying, so no one ever talked about this incident.
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@pilot-debrief Месяц назад

There was a lot to talk about in this video and one thing I didn't include was that the warning signs were there! Check the video description for more details. Also be sure to watch the 10 Deadliest Air Show Disasters In History 👉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4D-DOsz7xfw.html

@tektkite7255 Месяц назад

this guy is one of those idiots who took a free public speaking class and was told "talk with your hands" and he took it as instruction to keep waving around as if he had a seizure.

@davidsmith8997 Месяц назад

I'm shocked at the arrogance and complacency of everyone involved. How could they accept a half-ass plan with multiple planes in the sky and then "practice" it live without a real briefing beforehand when there's conflicting ride flights?! Seems like they all were just expected to be able to handle things because they were experienced. I've listened to military pilots talk about their air show routines and even solo, every maneuver, let alone entire the entire flight, comes with its own safety checks and briefing. Wow. If this is how civilian air shows operate, we're lucky it hasn't happened a lot more often before!

@rocsti5402 Месяц назад

@@tektkite7255 wheres your videos?

@robertd7073 Месяц назад

@@tektkite7255 Are we judging the messenger? or the message?

@sjb3460 Месяц назад

I have a request and my apologies if you have covered it before (yes, I am too lazy to peruse your library of videos but I'm pressed for time right now) please, please analyze the 2011 Remo Air Race when a P-51 Mustang went out of control and killed 13 people and wounded about 150. I wasn't there but I have read a lot about it. I want to know your thoughts. If you reply, I will tell you what I think should happen.

@corwinchristensen260 Месяц назад

I was a cameraman that videoed the pilot briefing for an airshow back in the '90's. The AirBoss literally had the pilots walking around the chairs and tables in the room, cards in hand, to practice the show. It was choreographed and practiced including "what if's" and "exit points" throughout the show. Restrictions and limits were set on MANY factors including elevation, position, timing, holding areas, one word acknowledgements for pilots for brevity and more. Everyone in the room knew EXACTLY what was going to happen, where, and when.

@paulmitchell2916 Месяц назад

Yeah, I was just thinking that a high school musical is blocked out more carefully... pretty sad.

@malcolmwhite6588 Месяц назад

Yeah that’s sort of how I would do it - so sad that the pilots didn’t say listen you don’t have a plan we’re not really interested to fly

@MajorCaliber Месяц назад

@@malcolmwhite6588 Tough call for hardcore aviators, i.e. am I going to forfeit my ever-vanishing chance to fly a legendary P-51, just because a not-quite-official dude called an "Air Boss" might be a bit of a slacker/douche/pogue? Or do I "go for it" and count on my cat-like reflexes and monster Merlin powerplant to extricate myself from whatever clusterfvck might evolve? Most will choose B... 😉🙃

@richardkeilig4062 Месяц назад

Excellent example.

@malcolmwhite6588 Месяц назад

@@MajorCaliber yeah get that as well, but sometimes you have to make a hard call- Perhaps if everybody had stood up together, they would’ve got another air boss or he would’ve pulled him self together

@jhempsrt4 Месяц назад

I am an engineer, and one of the phrases i hate the most is "we always do it that way", or some variation of that. It's like nails on a chalk board.

@awg6397 Месяц назад

Ive been in construction all of my adult life, and that phrase drives me up the damn wall.

@themgtowinfinium Месяц назад

Yep, I hate that phrase as well -- particularly when it's combined with suck up and shut up.

@Johnbobon Месяц назад

Yeah, standard practices are the worst!

@kriskris5330 Месяц назад

How do you know someone is an engineer? don’t worry they’ll tell you 😂

@craftiebrown Месяц назад

@@kriskris5330Troll

@michaelsteiger8509 Месяц назад

I stopped flying CAF air shows when this family was running as airboss. They would never use debriefs to learn of previous issues and when confronted, they were not open for criticism and made you look bad for asking questions.. Their briefs were incomplete and non sensical . I complained and was shut down. I walked away…. Your debrief is sadly spot on. I could see it. Many others could see it yet were familiar with the airboss and managed to work well with them.

@seane6616 Месяц назад

Whenever I make a longish post, RU-vid censors it, it must be nice to be able to communicate without being censored constantly g.g

@tr4480 Месяц назад

Internal politics, pride and arrogance played a part in this tragedy. The air boss played a part in this, the flight crews played a part in this. Everyone one of them should have had the courage to put their foot down and require clear instructions, a clear plan and a clear route to avoid disaster. Everyone grew complacent, and they knew they were becoming complacent.

@InBrz 27 дней назад

Anyone from outside even me can feel and hear the ENTITLED ARROGANCE of this airboss. Even an outsider like me smells something wrong here His highly lacking aviation qualifications surely doesn't inspire confidence, which tells me he was ONE OF THE priveledged GOOD OLD BOYS. Michael , you knew the situation and AVOIDED it because you knew it wasn't right. Good for you.

@MW-uy3np 27 дней назад

Hopefully they are never hired again

@nuwintimidates 20 дней назад

Hey mate, a viewer of the channel from Australia here. Have they charged the Air Boss with anything? Thanks in advance for your response.

@6YJI9 Месяц назад

It is criminal how this air boss didn't get charged and sentenced multiple lifetimes over for his negligence & complacency. Then to add more salt to the wound, he doesn't take any responsibility and sees himself as being at no-fault. Really dude??

@danielgregg2530 Месяц назад

There's still time --

@seane6616 Месяц назад

Whenever I make a longish post, RU-vid censors it, it must be nice to be able to communicate without being censored constantly g.g

@milferdjones2573 Месяц назад

As note the rules don’t include responsibility. This must change. If an air boss your responsible period for everything but an external party attack and here only not responsible if you have properly coordinated security with a law enforcement in area and military if appropriate. It does not matter otherwise what happens it your fault and you have criminal responsibility.

@6YJI9 Месяц назад

@@milferdjones2573 That's exactly how I look at it too. Just like how ATC is responsible for avoiding collisions between aircraft, air bosses need to be held to the same standard.

@wilsjane Месяц назад

@@6YJI9 How he specified the fighter to cross the path of the bombers without vertical separation defies belief. Suggesting no need to specify an altitude for the bombers makes no sense. To fly in formation, they needed to be at the same altitude, so why not specify it. The flight boss was both incompetent and lazy.

@macbook802 Месяц назад

1 person directing 7 planes with no distinct plan is insane.

@AbNomal621 Месяц назад

It is so insane that it should be illegal.

@randomchannel323 Месяц назад

Air boss was such a newbie anyways

@DougAnderson-tv1jd Месяц назад

I’ll bet the air boss still got paid…. Hopefully the air boss can get a job directing a flea circus next time…

@randomchannel323 Месяц назад

@@DougAnderson-tv1jd He couldn't deconflict 2 rubber ducks in a bathtub

@ValerieGriner Месяц назад

"But we ALWAYS do it that way." Stupid answer from a stupid person.

@danielayers Месяц назад

This accident reminds me of the Rust film shooting, where an apparently immature and unqualified person was put in a position of responsibility largely because her father was well known for doing that type of work. In my opinion, same thing here.

@themgtowinfinium Месяц назад

Exactly. Being the son or daughter of an expert doesn't always make the son or daughter an expert in the field that the parent was an expert in.

@don7294 Месяц назад

Amen.

@nicklovell5872 Месяц назад

Came here to say exactly this.

@charlottelanvin7095 Месяц назад

good observation. interesting parallel

@ssnydess6787 Месяц назад

Exactly...

@wittwittwer1043 Месяц назад

I was the safety meeting instructor when I was a heavy-equipment mech. One of the phrases I hammered on when ever I gave a class was this: "Safety rules are written in blood." A related sentiment I've heard since then is, "Failing to plan is planning to fail."

@gpilsitz1783 Месяц назад

In a class for aircraft load planning, the instructor stated:"Remember, big trucks, big chains. Little trucks, little chains." Simple and precise.

@dubmob151 Месяц назад

saith the Sphinx, from Mystery Men-

@greatcollector9362 28 дней назад

No truer words when it comes to aviation........and all dangerous industries actually.

@danielbailey3687 Месяц назад

I was asked to fly for this organization several years ago based on tailwheel, radial, and instruction experience. A couple of hangar meetings and parties convinced me to walk away. So glad I did, and Hoover’s analysis helped me understand my decision even though I couldn’t explain the feeling at the time.

@juliusarnold2844 Месяц назад

Unfortunately there’s lots of politics and egos involved. Good people, but a bad mix when combined with complex operations and historical aircraft.

@dashriprock4308 28 дней назад

Allowing "ride flights" while the bombers and fighters are in such close proximity just is nonsensical. It is a distraction for the air boss. The B-17 did not answer about the fighters being in sight. Assuming things gets people killed in formation flying. I can only assume that the P63 thought he was clear of the bomber as Hoover explained. Very confusing instructions leading to loss of separation.

@InBrz 27 дней назад

Thank your strong INTUITION and intelligence that is smelled a rat but could not define it, and left anyway. Smart move

@ovlov245 16 дней назад

YET NOBODY SAID ANYTHING...............Man , do you feel you are to blame >? You should!

@danielbailey3687 16 дней назад

@@ovlov245 oh yeah, totally...

@OldManAndTheSeaOfTooManyCats Месяц назад

P-51 pilot hearing instructions: “That’s not clear.” Enough said.

@MickB52s Месяц назад

God bless them all RIP....Air boss not professional enough..sad for their friends and families.Should never allow an accident like this happen so easier..its criminal

@lzugner Месяц назад

Why didn't god prevent collision?

@jshumphress13 Месяц назад

@@lzugner I get your point, but this is probably not the time or place.

@user-wz2qe2pv6r Месяц назад

But I bet 51 didnt abort in a straight ahead slow climb after looking over his shoulder.. he and all the others just carried on regardless.

@redfox435cat Месяц назад

@@lzugner what's your point? you don't believe in god.

@aidanacebo9529 Месяц назад

I was there, I saw this happen. I've held off watching any sort of debrief because I was so angry about the whole situation, and not just a little traumatized at seeing this happen. I'm a big fella, big burly hairy biker. I've been in several hairy situations where I should have died. this, where there was no danger at all to me, has affected me more than any of those. seeing two of my favorite aircraft, with people onboard, disintegrate midair before my eyes... saying "it sucked" is the understatement of the decade. thanks for making this, thanks for explaining it all. it's taken me this long to watch something about it, and I chose your video because it popped up in my feed, and I know you're not going to be overly dramatic about it.

@pilot-debrief Месяц назад

I’m sorry you had to witness this. I can’t even imagine being there in person. I wish I never had to make this video but I’m glad you chose mine to learn more about this tragedy.

@Montana_horseman Месяц назад

I commented about this being such "multi layered tragedy" before seeing your comment. My thoughts included witnesses and the crowd because I knew that people that saw this happen would also suffer. From a tough old horseman to a big burly hairy biker, my heart goes out to you.

@kjk298 Месяц назад

It was a very tough day, thanks for your debrief and hopefully it will save others this grief and sadness in the future

@robertd7073 Месяц назад

NASCAR, AIRSHOWS, BOXING, NFL, UFC, ........ THE CROWD WILL WORSHIP YOUR SUCCESS, ......BUT THEY WANT TO SEE YOU FAIL......

@fleafly70 Месяц назад

@@robertd7073 calm down Bobby

@kluke6094 Месяц назад

The one phrase that can guarantee you are not in a good place is, "that's the way we have always done it" with no problems until you have problems! The best debriefing I've heard in a long long time. Former P3 guy here. Well done!

@tony9146 Месяц назад

I found the following quote from 2021 interview of this air boss very telling: > If you manage safety and things regularly devolve to chaos then you’re a knowingly irresponsible air boss.

@mteberle Месяц назад

How can it go according to plan when there is no plan?

@watsonwrote Месяц назад

Even as layperson when I heard "It can degrade safety to assign altitudes... speeds... headings..." my alarm bells went off.

@iudaiomurchu9688 Месяц назад

No shit. Might as well say "it can be dangerous to have planes assigned to areas where they will not run into each other, it's better if they each pilot can go where they want when they want".

@MultiChrisjb Месяц назад

A similar argument can be made with seatbelts. I don't use them because the prevent me from being flung out of a the cars window to safety during an accident.

@adamcumley3950 Месяц назад

Yes, for sure!

@mrhumpty 13 дней назад

Yep. There is no way setting known limits for all parties in any way degrades safety.

@timduggan1461 Месяц назад

I'm a retired captain, Continental/United.....(Aged out) Your channel and Juan Brown's are both excellent.

@gregoryknox4444 Месяц назад

"AGED OUT" ....... me too, like that phrase. AMERICAN, USAIR, AMERICAN 30yrs and 65 rule for me.

@akudapapua Месяц назад

I'm heading into United in the next couple of years. Always love these videos. Gives good looks into problems and how to be a safer pilot

@VLove-CFII Месяц назад

Agree 100%

@robertd7073 Месяц назад

Funny, these pilots were aged out as well...

@medicchester Месяц назад

100%

@robsmith8310 Месяц назад

im glad to see the classy way you opened the show, remembering the victims, well done

@rickrickard2788 Месяц назад

As former Air Force, (non-flying- but dreaming/hoping), your no BS, straight-forward TRUTH- regardless of outside influences, coupled with your impeccable experience, make watching your channel a very engaging and informative experience. Thanks for breaking it all down.

@jadziadax1969 Месяц назад

I said to myself “Wow! That’s arrogant” right before you said “This might sound harsh…” Not harsh at all, totally agree with your assessment.

@garetjax2768 Месяц назад

It's funny how I saw this comment before I got to that point in the video and yet I knew exactly what you were referring to before I even heard "This might sound harsh". To say you have a special skill set after literally being the air boss for an event with fatalities is beyond arrogant.

@tomr3422 Месяц назад

I was surprised no one said "are mid air collisions normal for you"

@getsmart6765 Месяц назад

Hubris is a hell of a drug....

@electronixTech Месяц назад

@@getsmart6765 Interesting that you should say that as I just came from the Prof. Sam Vaknin RU-vid channel where he regularly talks about how narcissists can be dangerous to your health.

@justinb2824 Месяц назад

I mean, how do you say you have skills few other air bosses have right after your show just killed 6 people? If that doesn't humble you, nothing will.

@TheUsmc0802 Месяц назад

Criminal negligence. I was a JTAC, altitude separation is the easiest and simplest way to deconflict air. This scrub needs to be charged for multiple counts of manslaughter. Plain and simple. Hes making calls on the fly and has no altitude deconfliction. From the ground you would not notice 1000 ft or more of altitude separation.

@davedoe6445 Месяц назад

I would wager that if you polled that audience watching they airshow they would vote 90-10% for safe deconfliction procedures in favor of stunts

@TheUsmc0802 Месяц назад

Yep, all around bad. In the mil, well at least the Corps we have a saying. Everyone is a safety officer. Anyone and everyone is obligated to call out when there is a safety issue. That said the air boss is derelict in their duties in this case .

@AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg Месяц назад

So Correct, elevation is invisible to the crowd.

@Heathcoatman Месяц назад

Seems there will be no criminal charges, but last August a 7 figure civil lawsuit was filed by one of the families and specifically names the Airboss as a defendant, as well as his parent company.

@russellschell4812 Месяц назад

That's what I just can't imagine! All those grown men just shrugged their shoulders and sid "duhhh...ok"? Not one pilot, upon seeing that one page, planless "agenda" had the balls, awareness or intelligence to ask, "what kind of bozo bullshit is this?". @brentlyday2728

@bosoxer4eva Месяц назад

Man, I'm not a pilot but I have to tell you how well you articulate things to make it so easy for even a novice to understand. Really enjoy your debriefs. So wonderful that you could parlay your experience as a pilot into this now. You're a true professional in every sense of the word.

@sonnygruntstick Месяц назад

I flew on the Texas Raiders in 2017 in the bombardier slot. One of the great things I've done in my life. This really shook me up, I met those guys...

@Thenogomogo-zo3un Месяц назад

I was going to do that when I was in the US some years ago. It was travelling around the Arizona area at the time for 'experience' flights. But the wait and price I thought were just way too much (IIRC it was $400 for waist gun position and $1200! for bombardier/nose ) for 1/2 hour flight? and I was on a road trip holiday so had a schedule to keep. This was 2015. Good you got the chance when you did.

@ISmellMopWho Месяц назад

"Not all air bosses have the skillset to accommodate that request." And clearly this one didn't either, he was way too confident in his skills and it got multiple people killed and traumatized countless others. Yet after all that he still seems way too cocky, and is almost acting like this wasn't his fault in the slightest. Calling him arrogant is about the least "harsh" thing you could've called him Hoover.

@JonWorkus Месяц назад

The pilot who hit the bomber will (can) never be reprimanded; The air boss should never be in charge again

@ma-jp8bf Месяц назад

Reminds me of the crash in San Diego, Brown Field that killed several of Reba McEntire's band members. Do to chain of circumstances, they launched late at night VFR, planning to file IFR enroute. They flew straight into the hills to the east of Brown Field, may have been overly focused on remaining under Lindbergh's airspace. Anyway, investigators going through the wreckage found IFR charts, but no VFR charts. They asked the operations boss for the charter outfit about it. His response, 'We're a jet outfit, we don't do VFR'. No sir, you just don't do VFR well...

@Horatio1886build 20 дней назад

As a big fan of the series Air Disasters on TV it never ceases to horrify me that with so much talent an experience out there stuff still happens.

@bobdylan7120 Месяц назад

The mentality that reasons, "we got away with it last time, so we'll do it again", is exactly why the Challenger shuttle crashed. They knew the Booster seals were failing but each time they got away with a launch they pushed the envelope just that little bit more. Fact is, there's always people out there that refuse to learn from experiences - until it happens to them, and then it's rarely them that pay the price.

@Bowchickawowski Месяц назад

I just watched a part of a documentary about this the other day in my psychology class. My professor was explaining groupthink and what can happen to those who disagree with the majority. Everyone else tried to guilt the guy who said the launch shouldn’t happen because out of tolerance temperatures the O rings had been exposed to. There are standards and operating limits for a reason.

@bobdylan7120 Месяц назад

@@Bowchickawowski To his eternal credit he refused to back down, so they got an underling to sign off on the launch. I believe he then forged a career as a safety lecturer.

@Skank_and_Gutterboy Месяц назад

I like the diagram at 11:30. That's how the B-52 at Fairchild crashed. The pilot was allowed to do anything he wanted, so he did. He pushed the edge, got away with it, pushed it a little more, got away with it, etc. In June of 1994 he found out where the real limit was, he killed himself and his crew doing it.

@Bowchickawowski Месяц назад

@@Skank_and_Gutterboyanother great example. The thing that really bothers me about your example is that it was one dude’s fini flight and it was leadership flying with him because other people complained they didn’t feel safe flying with that pilot.

@prjndigo Месяц назад

The shuttle's booster seals weren't what was failing. The composition and hardness of the zinc chromate putty behind them was what was supposed to hold in the thrust, the seals were to keep water away from the chromate. The fault in the design was that the junction had the outer layer "cupped upwards" and rainwater would pool and freeze above the o-rings. Additionally when the tank was loaded the ambient temperature around the boosters would be about 8°F lower than atmosphere. The basic design was a politically forced failure. The O-rings were never designed to deal with actual engine thrust to begin with.

@Ram18091 Месяц назад

Shocking how they let such an amature Air Boss run the show!

@Wargasm54 Месяц назад

For 7 years

@daryllowey2043 29 дней назад

Terrific presentation. As a former air show performer, I agree 100% with your analyzation. I left the air show industry years ago simply because the show was about ego... not about safety.

@GuyFromSC Месяц назад

With all due respect to Blanco and my buddy Dan Gryder, this is by far the best Debrief of this crash on the entire internet. This was broken down on a level that no one else can match. Keep up the great work Hoover. 🙏🏼

@pilot-debrief Месяц назад

Thank you very much!

@sjb3460 Месяц назад

I remember Dan got a lot of heat for his analysis.

@BanjoZZZ Месяц назад

What!? I just might have to watch this

@DragerPilot Месяц назад

@@sjb3460Dan should have gotten heat. He is the most arrogant ass in the sky. He always thinks he has the answers, and continues to get it wrong.

@Outworlder Месяц назад

@@sjb3460it's very generous of you to call anything he says an "analysis".

@smithnyiu Месяц назад

Having been in the airshow circuit for 5 years as part of the US Air Force air demonstration team, and having been through at least 50 of the pre show briefs, I can tell you I never heard an air boss tell anyone to deconflict themselves like this. What usually happens at every show I was at, is a school bus or big truck is parked as "show center", typically 1,000ft from the crowd, and perpendicular to the DV tent. Big airplanes are usually told to fly over the show center, and fighters are typically told to fly inside, or closer to the crowd. The heavies are told to never fly inside the bus, or on the crowd side. Fighters are usually faster, so they typically do more of a curved path, or a "banana pass", and always split the bus and the crowd visually. When fighters enter their pass, they are supposed to hit a visual waypoint to deconflict them outside the heavies' line of flight. It doesn't sound like anything I just described was briefed at all. So this is a non-standard airshow from what I experienced. Tragic.

@mark-ish Месяц назад

this incompetent air boss delegated out all of his responsibilities to try to mitigate any potential liability for this unlikely situation. "Wasn't my plan.."

@randemness2680 Месяц назад

BThe definition of someone in a position they dont deserve. And just want to ask if youve been too Oshkosh in those 5 years. If so, im proud to say i have watched you perform then. Either way, I still salute you(i dont remember what demo team showed up each year lol)

@branchandfoundry560 Месяц назад

@@randemness2680 "Promoted to incompetence" was a term used in business school, which may apply here.

@seane6616 Месяц назад

Whenever I make a longish post, RU-vid censors it, it must be nice to be able to communicate without being censored constantly g.g

@randemness2680 Месяц назад

@@seane6616 it happens to me too lol

@MsDreamspinner Месяц назад

This crash still haunts me, as a longtime fan of Wings Over Houston at iconic Ellington AFB, where I have enjoyed that particular B-17 for years, and from watching and photographing both planes as they regularly flew over my home near Lake Conroe. Such a tragedy.

@jjsifo1 Месяц назад

Great channel Hoover, I'm a retired maritime surveillance Pilot, law enforcement. Being retired for 11 years now and your videos are a great source of knowledge ,kudos to you and thank you for your service.

@Larry-yb7zl Месяц назад

Shared my hangar with Craig for about a year. We crossed paths often. Great guy, very knowledgeable and I always appreciated his thoughts, professionalism and sharing of experience. I departed CXO in sequence directly behind the B17 the day it left CXO for this event. Was able to take some pics as it rolled down the runway and thought about Veterans Day and those who flew on her during her lifespan. Blessings to all.

@jockob1671 Месяц назад

I'm sure Craig's family appreciates Hoover making this video, because a lot of people initially blamed Craig for this tragedy.

@jcheck6 Месяц назад

@@jockob1671 Agree Jock, that is what I came away with.

@seane6616 Месяц назад

Whenever I make a longish post, RU-vid censors it, it must be nice to be able to communicate without being censored constantly g.g

@Darkvirgo88xx Месяц назад

Thats why you dont hire unqualified family members as a Air Boss and allow them to make it up as they go. While also playing ATC. He guided that fighter right into the Bomber. Because he relied on him to be his eyes. Their was no way to see that Bomber especially in that fighter the cockpit visibility is awful especially while belly up in a turn when it is camouflaged in a color similar to the ground.

@captaindunsel2806 Месяц назад

As always, I blame DEI.

@RiemsAI Месяц назад

yeah like that airliner captain who gave his aircraft controls to his young son in the cockpit as a plaything which kills all in the aircraft.

@Rietto Месяц назад

@@captaindunsel2806 Nepotism is nothing new.

@seane6616 Месяц назад

Whenever I make a longish post, RU-vid censors it, it must be nice to be able to communicate without being censored constantly g.g

@steverobsondiecast Месяц назад

I was involved with doing some air to air photos in 1991. Be beside the fact I was taking the pictures, I also was the spotter to handle distances the pilots (namely the one I was in because they could no the other plane). A flight plan was filed for this formation flying. Areas as simple maintaining simple turns and keeping the same distances were important. The end result was some nice pictures. This was also my first time doing this, and as a result, I took it very seriously. Hearing this info on this airshow just showcased how poor planning can become very deadly. Thank you for the detailed account of this event.

@chadfahlenkamp1134 Месяц назад

Excellent presentation of the information, Hoover. They way you organized the facts and the visual aids made this complex incident simple to understand. Keep it up !

@kevinbarry71 Месяц назад

This is what happens when you put somebody supremely unqualified in such a position. He sounds like he's about 12 years old. And in my legal opinion, he should be brought up on homicide charges due to his reckless conduct

@Darkvirgo88xx Месяц назад

He definitely should be charged for his negligence and not allowed to be a Air Boss.

@greatunz67 Месяц назад

He's 58

@kiwismurf4536 Месяц назад

homicide = intentional, reckless = manslaughter as there is no direct intent to kill, please use correct terms

@boossersgarage3239 Месяц назад

@@greatunz67 , mental age of 6, FFS.

@thatguy7085 Месяц назад

Just sounds poorly trained due to limited training.

@stevebetker829 Месяц назад

This is why I don’t want to go to air shows anymore. I don’t want to see aircraft demonstrating how close they can get to each other without hitting each other. I just want to see them flying safely. Such a shame. Thanks for sharing. 🙏🙏🙏

@rogueninja1685 Месяц назад

I think the whole point was that we don't want reckless cowboys like this guy anywhere near these events. There is supposed to be an ILLUSION of proximity, not actual proximity.

@stevebetker829 Месяц назад

@@rogueninja1685🙏🙏🙏

@micclay Месяц назад

@@rogueninja1685nah, they are very close. It would scare the hell out of the average pilot to be that close to another aircraft.

@fdllicks Месяц назад

I feel the same. Is the purpose to get closer and closer???? Does the crowd really ask for that? I think not. When i want to see ww2 aircraft, if they stay apart, that is fine with me. I want to see the aircraft. Not the aircrafts touching each other. Maybe there is a misperception on the part of the organizers that they think this is what the crowd wants.

@stevebetker829 Месяц назад

@@fdllicksabsolutely agree. So sad to something like this happening over and over again. Completely unnecessary to have aircraft fly so close to each other.

@brak1381 22 дня назад

As someone who grew up next to this airport… they flew close. Very impressive (dangerous/crowded) flying in the show two years before I moved. The bomber and fighters were a long time part of the show, and you would see them in the air quite a few times throughout the year. It is unbelievable how careless they were in planning and communication with how close they would fly. Thanks for the video. Nice work. RIP to the pilots

@brentsmock1044 Месяц назад

Thanks for a great debrief. I crewed on the B-17 involved in 1988 at the Mount Comfort air show in Indiana. This tragedy truly broke my heart.

@wxx3 Месяц назад

Yes, but am a little amazed that all the experienced pilots accepted a half ass no plan.

@benc3380 Месяц назад

This is what struck me. All those pilots, all those years of experience, and nobody raised their hand to say "hey, we have basically no plan here, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do once I'm airborne."

@DrJohn493 Месяц назад

That's basically how the normalization of deviancy works. Which is also related to the complacency that comes with experience or repetition when nothing bad has happened in the past.

@lagnat Месяц назад

Came here to say the same thing. Seems like the pilots were also operating in the spiral of deviance.

@user-wz2qe2pv6r Месяц назад

Been saying this since the incident.. and every time my comment gets pulled.. maybe this time itll stay. If this goes to court all those pilots will be questioned on this.

@andrewb9590 Месяц назад

I think it was one of Juan Brown’s videos where he stated that even extremely experienced pilots felt they would be penalized for speaking up or asking questions, i.e., not be selected to fly in the future.

@blarsen8 Месяц назад

There is a lawsuit and it names the air boss Russell Royce siting negligence, being unsafe and unqualified, reckless incompetence, and lack of airmanship awareness. I think he also banned from ever doing this again. Obviously. All these experienced pilots let him do it anyway, walked away from the brief confused, and never spoke up. Normalization of risk…

@PRH123 Месяц назад

They’re not going to get any money out of him, if as mentioned he works in an auto body shop…. anyway they’re suing the wrong person, they should take the Commemorative Airforce to court, who hired him, recruits the pilots, and organizes these air shows…

@markprange4386 Месяц назад

citing

@FiveCentsPlease Месяц назад

@@PRH123 The CAF is named in a lawsuit from the family of B-17 pilot Len Root.

@thurin84 Месяц назад

he should be on trial for negligent homicide.

@sludge8506 Месяц назад

@@FiveCentsPlease The usual plan is to name *everybody* in the lawsuit. And let the court decide who to remove.

@makalipo Месяц назад

That Air Boss played fast & loose with the pilot’s lives by irresponsibly trying to orchestrate part of the air show on the fly over the radio. What a needless tragedy. I hope the FAA makes sure he never works as an Air Boss again.

@MichaelKardell Месяц назад

Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines!

@MichaelKardell Месяц назад

as you said ORCHESTRATE ON THE FLY and over the RADIO! Radio is not a form of communication to orchestrate manoeuvres where milliseconds decide if you make it or not. I understand in a combat scenario, a dog fight.

@jimmiller5600 20 дней назад

"it's not fair to say that adding a restriction increases safety" --- as a junior engineer I was told to jump back when "not invented here" or "not the way we've always done it" were put on the table.

@BlairAir Месяц назад

My Dad was a B-17 Bombadier - at the ripe old age of 23, and flew his 20-some missions (Not sure of the exact number) out of Port Moresby New Guinea in late 43 into 44. Had a good friend on another crew ask him on a mission they were short a man, he declined. Guy asked several times. My Dad, Major Frederick O. Blair decided if asked again, he would go, even though he had his required missions. The guy didn't ask again, which is good, because that entire crew was lost on that mission, and you would never see this comment, had he just asked one more time. Everything changes in a heartbeat. RIP this group of flyers.

@ianmangham4570 Месяц назад

It's all one big trip 🙏🤠

@Shadowboost Месяц назад

My grandpa was the first American (US Army at least) to drop bombs on Germany. Lead bombardier B-17 flying out of England. One of his missions, he had to ditch in the English Channel. My minister when I was growing up was a B-17 ball belly gunner. These men were different breed

@B3Band Месяц назад

Kinda wish I hadn't seen the comment tho ngl

@CYBERVISIONSdotCom Месяц назад

25 Missions was the requirement; not many made it that far. “Hot Stuff” (B-24) was the first Bomber to complete 25 Missions; they were on the way home to the United States when they crashed into a mountain in Iceland. Everyone aboard except the Tail Gunner were killed. 2 interesting notes about this crash; they were carrying Lt. General Frank Andrews back to Washington (he was Commander of the ETO at the time; Andrews AFB is named for him). General Eisenhower replaced as SAC ETO. Since all but one of the crew of Hot Stuff died in the crash, the USAAF decided to send the B-17 “Memphis Belle” home and use her crew as the “First to reach 25 Missions”, even though they weren’t. I guess it sounded better than “The first Bomber Crew to complete the Required 25 Combat Missions was killed in a Heavy Weather Crash while carrying the Theatre Commander on their way back home”. I suspect your Dad was superstitious like most of us are. He’d finished his 25 Missions and had his ticket home; not smart to gamble with the jackpot when you’ve already won it, survived and beaten nearly impossible odds.

@davidsandberg6179 Месяц назад

I really appreciate this video having been made. A few decades ago I was involved with this very same organization, and was working on the tarmac at an air show. Out of the blue they told me to marshal a particular aircraft, something I’d had absolutely no training in or experience with. I did the best that I could. The end result fortunately was just a WWII plane that had to be towed out of a muddy spot … but it could have been much worse, and ever since then I‘be gotten a sick feeling in my gut every time I think about it. I parted ways with that organization the next year, and I haven’t been able to bring myself to go to an air show since, no matter how much I love those planes. I’ve always felt some degree of guilt over my relatively minor failure that day, but I’m only now realizing this kind of carelessness is endemic of that organization, and I’m glad I left when I did.

@fe6147 Месяц назад

Great video!! As ATC tower & radar supervisor for 35+ years, and having attended numerous air show briefings, I am not at all surprised this happened with this particular "air boss" (Russ Royce) and his father who trained (?) him. Ralph Royce is "still" performing at airshows to this day - insane!!! Talk about normalization of deviation!!! Two things I remember about the briefings was that Royce had a hard start time and would shut the door and not let anyone fly if they were late. This practice of being "firm handed" led pilots to believe he "really ran a tight ship!". Obviously that was all crap, and when the briefings ended, and it was clear that there was a lot missing, everyone was left thinking WTF over? I would ask questions and the only answer we'd get was "you worry about ATC and we'll work the show". This is another reason the "pros" (Blue Angels, T-Birds) have their own Air Boss'. The reality is, that during an airshow, when everyone is properly briefed, acts are separated and scheduled, deconflicted, etc.... there really is no need for ATC or an Air Boss. The field is NOTAMed closed for participants only. Anyhow, that's my .02 worth. IMHO, and again having first hand experience with this crew, neither of them should be talking to airplanes any longer.

@MelvinWillikers Месяц назад

Adding restrictions doesn't increase safety is a crazy thing for a safety officer to say. I thought that restrictions are the primary tool of aviation safety.

@minnesotatomcat Месяц назад

I’m not a pilot but it just seems that something like an air show with many aircraft involved should have EVERY part of the show fully choreographed before any plane leaves the ground.

@tomcoryell Месяц назад

Exactly. And even then there should be altitude separation.

@tomr3422 Месяц назад

If you have a good plan you can adjust it when something comes up, when you have no plan or a really bad plan there is no adjusting

@branchandfoundry560 Месяц назад

@@tomr3422 You nailed it. There has to BE a plan in order to recognize problems within the plan.

@captainkttyhwk Месяц назад

as a pilot, who has been in airshows, I and all other pilots agree.

@dawnfollett9215 Месяц назад

I know nothing about these types of planes, the baseline norm of operation(s), but irregardless I sure couldn’t understand what that Air Boss was saying, and clearly was giving too many instructions that should have been gone over and over prior to the show. A practice run once or twice would have picked up on these problems. As a health care professional--one thing I have learned over the years is--sometimes the long time “experts” get too comfortable in their role. And so then because they are long time experts, people rely to much on that, and don’t think for themselve--and that’s dangerous for allll involved. “Thank You.”

@daves4589 Месяц назад

This is an example of what these air shows entail. We all sit and watch just expecting the air boss to be competent. I’m an air shoe enthusiast and I fear one day they will cancel out these events due to negligence just like this. None of this should have happened.

@RedArrow73 Месяц назад

That or Insurance will become impossible to afford; I'm with you.

@daves4589 Месяц назад

@@RedArrow73 I honestly thought after this tragedy, they would stop having these shows. Which would be just awful but in today’s culture, I can see it happening.

@moshunit96 Месяц назад

@@daves4589that will never happen. They are incredibly popular and bring in good money.

@raeraebadfingers Месяц назад

Air shoes are cool

@bikeny Месяц назад

@@raeraebadfingers I was trying to come up with something about the shoes as well. I didn't succeed, so I am giving you a thumbs-up.

@patrickmertz2426 Месяц назад

Excellent and informative video on this tragic event, thank you for the the time (days, weeks?) you put into making this.

@louistorres Месяц назад

Another great video. I remember this so well and watched tons of video footage to see what had occurred. Thank you again!!

@Twintailwinds Месяц назад

You explain things so calmly and straightforward. Really enjoy your channel Hoover

@chrishumphrey2074 Месяц назад

Hear hear 💯👍

@julioramirez8768 Месяц назад

Great channel, indeed. He rocks.

@pilot-debrief Месяц назад

I appreciate that!

@Thenogomogo-zo3un Месяц назад

I couldn't agree more

@joedmac78 Месяц назад

I'm in the transportation industry. I've worked with a lot of bosses over 26 years, just like this one. it's like a personality trait that some people have that drive them towards deviation. It should exclude them from any type of safety sensitive leadership role. His post accident statements say, "I'll never learn from my mistakes"

@PRC533 Месяц назад

The reason why he won't learn from them is because he doesn't believe he made any. I think that's the thing that bothers me the most is that his personality type is one that will never accept any responsibility. He should be losing sleep over the men he killed, but he won't. Furthermore, if he ever is held to any kind of accountability he will claim he is the victim.

@peterphan227 Месяц назад

Reminds me of Stockton Rush, (former) CEO of Oceangate. He prided himself on deviation from the standard safety practices of deep sea submersibles and it resulted in his sub imploding.

@PRC533 Месяц назад

@@peterphan227 Good comparison, but at least Rush was putting himself in danger as well. This guy got to sit back while he got people killed.

@joehamilton7394 29 дней назад

Great job detailing what happen and explaining your point of view!

@alexengine1640 13 дней назад

This is a very, very interesting debrief. Many thanks, Mr.Hoover. My Dad was one of the main expert investigators in the Soviet air forces (it was 50-60 years ago) and he investigated hundreds of crashes of all Soviet fighters: MiG-15, MiG-17, MiG-19, MiG-21 and even MiG-25. When I listen to you, Mr.Hoover, sometimes it is very closely to stories which my Dad talked to me. At least, you do your analysis as my Dad did, very similar. As he told me, when everybody ran to the crash site, he always went in the opposite direction, to documents. Thanks once again for such qualitative work!

@Maggie-tr2kd Месяц назад

For myself, I don't need to see magnificent and historic airplanes such as the B-17s and the fighter planes all flying at the same time racing around. I would be content to see the B-17's take off, fly around, and land by themselves. The same thing for the fighter planes. The terrible loss of the lives of those brave pilots is unforgivable. I would much rather have those pilots with us today and have safer (albeit) tame airshows. The thrills last for seconds, death is forever.

@nancychace8619 Месяц назад

Maggie - Agree. I used to go to the Watsonville airshow on the west coast every year. They brought in a B-17 but mostly it was on static display. Airshow operations were always conducted in a safe manner.

@thurin84 Месяц назад

i suspect having multiple in the air having to do with limited number of time slots each act can have. if youve got 300 aircaft in a show youre not going to get them all off the ground going in sequence.

@Thenogomogo-zo3un Месяц назад

@@thurin84 Well, have at least alot of space between each one so there's no danger of collision etc. if they're in the air at the same time. IF there are too many planes for one airshow, maybe have two, or more for different types of aircraft? It's done at Duxford every year.

@thurin84 Месяц назад

@@Thenogomogo-zo3un as long as separation and altitude assignments are followed strictly i dont thing having multiple aircraft in the sky at once is a problem.

@HomesickforAlaska 16 дней назад

I was thinking this exact same thing a week or two ago when I saw a video of the Thunder birds I think it was, where two of the jets accidentally touched tip tanks while doing one of their formations, luckily no one was injured and they landed safely with the tip tank hanging off the wing. While I think these kinds of shows are amazing to watch, I just don't think the risk is worth it for entertainment purposes to perform such risky maneuvers.

@325im20 Месяц назад

I always assumed people in charge of air shows would have to adhere to numerous rules set by governing bodies (FAA in this case), due to all the accidents in the past. Apparently those rules are limited to proximity to the crowd and minimum altitudes. It is shocking how that air boss managed the show. Thank you for explaining such complex circumstances, so even somebody who has nothing to do with aviation, like me, can understand it!

@Dyson_Cyberdynesystems Месяц назад

Well the first issue is putting any faith that the FAA does anything proactive. The CFRs are written in blood. Ensuring a safe operation should be planned and consulted with by SMEs.Compliance should be a checklist by-product. Not the goal.

@dermick Месяц назад

Thankfully no one on the ground was killed, and that's almost certainly because of the restrictions put on airshows by the various governing agencies. These rules were "written in blood".

@chuckschillingvideos Месяц назад

Normal rules of flight safety (ie see and avoid in VFR) are still applicable during air shows. None of those rules are voided just because a plane is engaged in a formation flight before a crowd.

@TheRichMarion Месяц назад

Excellent breakdown of all the things that went wrong with this incident. Thank you for sharing your insights on this.

@Maccaroney Месяц назад

I'm not sure how i got here but this is a great debrief. Good video. Extremely frustrating that this happened. I used to work in Quality on a production site and your comments about normalizing deviance are so true.

@tuff30s Месяц назад

I have never flown an airplane, but I'm addicted to your videos because of your obvious expertise in this field, your ability to explain technical details to a wide audience, your empathy for the victims and your humility.

@pilot-debrief Месяц назад

Thank you very much. I greatly appreciate that!

@joker747A Месяц назад

I’m just a retired minion paratrooper.. & even I know there MUST be vertical altitude separation of any aircraft crossing paths. Rip 🫡

@AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg Месяц назад

Minion?...... Where's That?

@joker747A Месяц назад

@@AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg lol…. By minion I meant “not in charge” 🤣. Retired from 20th GP in 2011

@nume1981 Месяц назад

Excellent debrief. Thank you very much for the very informative context and the focus on what happened and the learnings for the future.

@shipofthesun 13 дней назад

Excellent work. As always, preparation is everything.

@GeorgeKlinger Месяц назад

I was at an air show at Lakehurst NJ about 30 years ago. I watched a paratrooper fall to the ground and bounce right in front of me. I haven’t been to an air show since.

@brianfitch5469 Месяц назад

Parachute failed?

@cyclone4life_isu142 Месяц назад

@@brianfitch5469Homer: doh, much? 😢

@brianfitch5469 Месяц назад

@@cyclone4life_isu142 obviously the most likely outcome. However they have been hit by planes behind them before.

@OGPatriot03 Месяц назад

Shannon Airport. Fredericksburg Virginia 1980? In that scenario a jumper's main and reserve chute failed to deploy... terrible..

@archangelmichael1978 12 дней назад

I'm glad you got the real audio clip at the beginning of the video. And, as a USAF vet who worked the flightline, I can tell you that "KNOCK IT OFF" is something you never want to hear on the radio. I'm not sure about civilian radio, but in the Air Force, "KNOCK IT OFF" is a radio break and means that something terrible has just happened and everyone must shut up and listen.

@gaylestockwell5315 19 дней назад

This is such an EXCELLENT post. Thank you!

@jimm2216 Месяц назад

Early in my career was part of many airshows run by the Navy or Air Force and could listen in to what the Air Boss was doing/saying. Their level of expertise and ability to deconflict is 100% as you describe and I was (and remain) in awe of their skills and discipline. This video highlights what amounts to amateur hour and it cost people their lives.

@davecat1458 Месяц назад

Texas Raider was hangered at my Home Drone, KCXO. I would often stroll in and get up close and touch history. The volunteers were always gracious and ready for questions.

@hubriswonk Месяц назад

In about 77 or 78 Texas Raiders was parked down in Galveston and my dad had a friend that was part of the ground crew. I got to hangout a couple of weekends until they got it running well enough to take it down to Harlingen.

@LeeBolam1971 Месяц назад

Thanks for the debrief man. Stella as always.

@donaldklapproth8091 Месяц назад

Great technical understanding and putting most important points easly understandable for everyone! Perfect!

@SeaMonkey137 Месяц назад

I now work as a consultant and something we see frequently is that sometimes once a CEO (or other process manager) has verbalized a plan and receives no negative feedback/pushback, he moves to the next plan and in his mind the first plan is already DONE. Good on the 51 driver for trying, but there was no stopping this Air Boss's personality. Also couldn't agree more about the "additional restriction" not being effective; sound like he has accepted that periodic failure is inherent in the airshow process.

@tomcoryell Месяц назад

Bingo!

@dan3162 Месяц назад

The worst part of this is the pilots who left that briefing without asking some logical questions about the formation and flight plan or lack there of

@robrobets7813 Месяц назад

Was just going to comment on that aspect too. The Pilots share responsibility in agreeing and complying with such a poor flight plan, if you can even call it a "flight plan". If only just one of them, refused to fly until a more thorough plan was in place, maybe just maybe that day would have been a routine Air Show, instead of a tragic event. The real danger that day was... too much over confidence and complacency by all involved. Hopefully, this incident goes on to save lives by causing all future Air Shows to be rigorous with their Flight Plans, no matter the experience, age or prestige of those involved.

@tr4480 Месяц назад

I kept thinking about the fact that these are all different aircraft with different flight characteristics and of differing ages and states of functionality. A good air boss should know the intimate nitty gritty details of the aircraft in the show, or at least have reliable support personnel who do, all to ensure every facet of operation is covered and ingrained in flight crews and air bosses and ground crews. Listening to the audio had my head hurting because no one implemented a clear procedure of confirmation of orders or instructions. Call signs were poorly used, repeating of instructions and orders were terrible, and there seemed to be a lot of radio chatter between everyone at once. The air boss was just talking out of his tail the entire time.

@dcxplant Месяц назад

Nicely done. Very interesting to hear the perspective of someone that's "been there, done that". Your production quality continues to improve. Very good content.

@rhettwarner8345 Месяц назад

Thanks for doing this. Very educational and productive.

@davidhardy5656 Месяц назад

RIP Texas Raiders. I miss her. RIP P-63. Thanks, Hoover, for covering this story. Thank You for your service. ❤

@pollylewis9611 Месяц назад

There is just so much that went horribly wrong here, I can only hope lessons have been learned but for what price the loss of these wonderful lives, thank you Hoover you're always the one to give us the best debriefs.

@billmitchell7904 Месяц назад

Another great debrief. I can say that as a retired pilot, I always treated every flight as if it was my first! Never assume that because something worked last time it will work today. Flying safety was and still is my number one priority!

@brianmcdermott2430 Месяц назад

Great, great info. Premium work from you. Thank you, Hoover.

@billwendell6886 Месяц назад

He will be asked what the plan was in the trial and lawsuits. He basically pulled a Rust armorer. He must have more cop buddies than she did.

@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co Месяц назад

I suspect he gets more of the benefit of the doubt than she ever would.

@PRC533 Месяц назад

California DAs are also generally more interested in actually prosecuting crimes, especially high profile ones that come out of one of the darling industries there. Texas isn't exactly known for consistent enforcement of laws against white guys.

@dominicf8039 Месяц назад

@@PRC533 Ironic

@jessyjulie5506 Месяц назад

What's interesting too is the Rust armorer's father trained her, just like the father of the air boss. Nepotism I guess...

@lettuceman306 Месяц назад

"Giving people altitudes is dangerous to safety, because it'll just focus their eyes on the altimeter" Yeah, commercial airline flights have to deal with getting altitudes from ATC all the time, and it's SO, SO dangerous! There're multiple crashes like, every single day! Why didn't ANYBODY think of this amazing idea to remedy it?! ...oh, wait.

@MrShobar Месяц назад

I didn't believe this guy when he said that. He offered that because he lacks any other real justification for his poor performance. Pilots learn early how to divide their attention. These pilots were clearly experienced enough to possess those skills instictively by this time.

@tomr3422 Месяц назад

Who isnt used to scanning the insturments every couple of seconds especially in congested space- Theses were guys with thousands of hours, not a huge task for them. I am disappointed in the FAA for not really asking the hard questions.

@user-wz2qe2pv6r Месяц назад

@@tomr3422 They'll be asked alright....in court. The FAA is dead scared of the US pilot fraternity... dont know why but it is.

@fsthomson Месяц назад

Another great video...thanks so much. My heart goes out to the families of the casualties.

@dustinwoodhouse1940 Месяц назад

Excellent deep dive into this!

@andrews.3243 Месяц назад

The fact that they are allowed to do show rides or “ride alongs” in other aircraft WHILE the air show is actively underway just blew my mind! I’m not a pilot and still, that automatically sounded like the worst and dumbest idea EVER when I heard it ! How stupid and just adds even more unnecessary danger. I guess anything goes for the almighty dollar 😢

@renonative Месяц назад

Right? That would be like giving ride alongs during the Indy 500. You might not get run over if you time it just right but not everyone's attention is going to be on the actual race.

@ssnydess6787 Месяц назад

I completely agree with you Hoover. As a former Air Force and Army pilot, this is a sad example of an ego getting people killed. In all my missions, we always had thorough pre and post briefs and tons of walk throughs, this was so lacking. I was also an FAA Air Carrier inspector that supervised several air shows, primarily with the T Birds, but I had the opportunity to sit in on a few of their briefings as I had a good relationship with them and as a participant in a Houston airshow (static display in the AH-64a), observed a very thorough prebriefing especially from the CAF. I think you may be missing a piece of this de brief and that would be the extent of the CAF participants and did they have their own prebrief? Had they flown this show routine in practice or at another air show? I think that question needs to be addressed to complete this very comprehensive video. Thank you Hoover.

@T_Mo271 Месяц назад

There's a big difference between professionals and amateurs that happen to own a lot of very rare aircraft.

@chuckschillingvideos Месяц назад

I would posit that there are multiple egos involved here - not only that of the air boss.

@SamFugarino 5 дней назад

Fascinating video. And thank you for your service.

@stephengale7177 Месяц назад

Hi, I was so impressed with your prior history and qualifications that you have under your belt. I am so impressed with the respectful way you conduct yourself and the stream and most of all having the respect you show for the people and their relatives involved in these unfortunate incidents. Yours Faithfully Kindness Regards Steve

@tonpetitami Месяц назад

The air boss would make a great lobbyist for a giant conglomeration

@jondrew55 Месяц назад

Best analysis I’ve seen so far. Thanks for your perspective. Also, nice seeing those pics of you next to those LANTIRN pods. Spent the better part of my career working on that system. Hope they served you well

@TCB-1 Месяц назад

I appreciate your immense experience in explaining this accident.

@MooneyOvation2 19 дней назад

Thanks for your excellent analysis.

@JoeKrol Месяц назад

That was the best breakdown of what happened. What I don’t like is the air boss seems to be taking an “ it’s not me” attitude. Arrogance has no place in situations where lives are at stake.

@chuckschillingvideos Месяц назад

I'm not defending the guy, because he is obviously a key factor in what happened, but dumping all the blame on him and pretending that pilot behavior had NOTHING to do with this tragedy is a huge copout.

@williammrdeza9445 Месяц назад

Thank you for the analysis of this incident Hoover. This mishap received a lot of attention and it was nice to finally hear a detailed breakdown of what lead up to it, now that more information is known and the investigation has been conducted. Such a heartbreaking tragedy.

@robert___7032 Месяц назад

I really enjoy your content , love how you break things down even for those who are not well versed on flight and lingo . I also love how you keep your emotions strictly about the content!

@pilot-debrief Месяц назад

I appreciate that!

@renataavgeri1132 Месяц назад

The tape from the airboss is just shocking. How could he have thought that making the show up on scene would have ended well? Juan Browne covered this story from the beginning and there is a lot to be learned from his videos too; one of the victims was Juan's instructor at some point. I have seen his videos on this a few times over some period as i myself understand more about aviation as an enthusiast. Really shocking accident. Juan's last video on this explains what the final report concluded and it is very detailed and easy to understand the story for someone who hasn't been following it from the beginning

@hannesorisson1200 Месяц назад

Horrible. Another site gave a detail on this accident and by all acounts it seems that the Airboss was not upto the task.

@Darkvirgo88xx Месяц назад

The radio traffic and other information was released shortly after he was also directing landings while directing the show. It was known that if didn't do what they wanted you didn't get to fly in the show. So no one challenged him in the briefing do to fear of retaliation even when it made absolutely no sense.

@mikeghost9923 Месяц назад

The only thing this guy is boss of is the buffet at Golden Corral. His name is Russell Royce. Google him. He’s 400 pounds of shit in a 200 pound sack.

@bigdougscommentary5719 Месяц назад

The participating pilot should have spoke up. It was their LIVES at stake. WTF.

@Wargasm54 Месяц назад

They used him for 7 years? Just seems strange none of the pilots had any concerns in that span.

@user-wz2qe2pv6r Месяц назад

@@Wargasm54 In sorry for the truth but it then makes them all as bad as he was... They were all culpable and if it goes to court some darn awkward Q's are going to be asked.

@shaffordhenderson648 Месяц назад

That was very, VERY informative! Thanks for that, and your service Sir!!!!!!!

@KM-ql4eb 27 дней назад

This was extremely fascinating. Thank you for the informative debrief. I enjoyed the explanation of deconfliction methods.

@BetweenTheBorders Месяц назад

This might be your best video yet. Many of the lessons here are important not just for aircraft deconfliction, but for any kind of operational oversight.

@richardrickert3138 Месяц назад

Hoover. Top notch analysis. Hopefully your thoughtfulness will prevent others making the same mistakes.

@abelnasser-bernal3731 Месяц назад

Thank you for providing good information. Please keep up what you are doing. You and others like you help to educate and bring light to all pilots, specially general aviation. I’m a retired Army pilot and work as a test pilot for the govt. I always watched your videos.

@marksmith402 Месяц назад

Most Excellent debrief as usual Hoover. You explained everything very thoroughly, I learned about 1000% more than I thought I knew about air shows. Thank You!

@lawrenceeverett9661 Месяц назад

Thank you, Hoover for your in-depth analysis. I wish harm to nobody, but I hope this so-called “air boss” is severely punished for his role in this tragedy.