I lived at 16 Springfield park from 1962 until 1971. In 1971 my family immigrated to the USA and I have lived in Ohio ever since then. I have returned to Belfast many times since then. The years I lived there were the happiest years of my life. I am 70 years old now and I had the best friends I have ever had there. I will never forget Joe McAvoy and Phillip Fusco who lived in Springfield Park and Alan Barr who lived in Moyard Park. I have tried to find them many times but to no avail. I hope they have lived happy lives.
Dear programchannel TL. Since a copple weeks I had a abonnement on this channel by you tube. Since my childhood I always intrested in the Irish history and the lots of problems with the forces of the crown. It,s a blessing that I found out lot,s of information on google and you tube. More and more I found out the situation all those Irish people and the problem
Lovely to see the people of Northern Ireland portrayed in their true light honest decent working class people.Division and injustice the scourge of humanity.
I’ve become addicted to this channel and have watched this over and over again to experience the happiness of a non-sectarian community of young families before the misery of hard wired sectarian violence destroyed what was natural for these young families.
Katrina ,this was happening all over Belfast , so those with agendas probably had that visited on them too ,while the army ,police aided those attacking areas ,Jesus wept !!! That's an agenda now ???? Telling the truth .
2,3 or more different versions of events from northern Ireland though. That's the thing, it's been a tragic and complex country for centuries and there's not one individual reason why in my opinion.
@@keithpringle3940 there's only one version kieth , and that was sectarian apartheid ,aided and abetted by the British govt WHO created the division , there's no 2-3 versions ,just that ,catholic Irish where attacked ,murdered ,beaten ,burnt from homes , couldn't vote ,etc etc ,and when the fought back ,they where terrorists!!!! That's the actual truth .
@@TheNinyo77 I see you've clearly got an agenda, and that's no bad thing necessarily. I'm the child of a former forces member and I joined up towards the signing of the gfa. I did 2 tours, when I was over there I was a fukkkkkkinnnnnnn Brit, when I was home and watched the soccer at Ibrox then I was a horrible feeeenian barstrad. Not a nice place to do a job you don't want to
The Truth is always a breath of fresh Air, and should be dealt with head on, and not bent or denied. . Partition of the Six Counties in 1921 destroyed the two communities.
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Thanks very much John :) I remember a mate from the park had it on VHS in school , year wise I would at a guess say 1998 maybe a little earlier as I'm sure residents got a copy before it was published.
A sad reminder of a place too nearby where growing up as a child with my best friend who was not of the same religious persuasion had to at another time move away. I had great memories of Horn Walk and latterly Lenadoon until not long after the infamous "Battle of Lenadoon", 9th July 1972. I was witness to it all unfolding, though never the significance. I watched from behind Army lines, lorries and crowds making their way down to were we living, a place we loved and "take over" our homes, which of course was less than the truth, but what did we know?
@@ATroubledLandI’ve watched a lot of videos on the troubles and I have to say there’s a lot of stuff I didn’t know until I watched your channel troubledland which is the best one yet because it’s all truth no lies no nothing just the raw truth,, Thank you very much for putting them on RU-vid for everyone to see, God bless you and troubledland and all the victims of the troubles,,,, The hooded men video got me off guard because I know big joe Clarke who’s not keeping well god bless him That video was heartbreaking to watch and all the guys telling their nightmare they went true//
I knew that Ireland had "it's troubles" but I never knew there was such division. Thank you for such an insightful and interesting documentary. Do the divisions still exist? So very sad to see.
It just shows that tribalism is never far from the surface in any society. Neighbour could turn against neighbour in a heartbeat, as it did in Northern Ireland and later in the former Yugoslavia. Very sad.
And Rwanda, we must never forget Rwanda. 800,000 people dead in 100 days. Commanding UN troops, Canadian Romeo DeLaire begged for help, none was forthcoming.
I always find it quite amusing that segregation like this is acceptable in Ireland but was so vehemently opposed in South Africa...(By people in Ireland...)
@UFO I find the hypocrisy and double standards of so called "Educated and Informed" people amusing...if they didn`t have double standards they`d have no standards at all...
It's actually N. Ireland, Ireland as in Republic of Ireland, they are two separate countries. Think of England and Wales, or England and Scotland. They are side by side but not the same country.
@@stuartbrown8259 The north of Ireland is not a country. It's part of the province of Ulster within the UK. It is not part of GB hence the name GB and Northern Ireland. There is no provision in the GFA for the north to EVER be a sovereign country. It will either remain within the UK under Westminister rule or be reunited with the rest of Ireland. The definition of a country is that it has its own sovereign government. Does the north have a sovereign government? NO!!! Thanks to the DUP it doesn't have any government. Now stop telling yourself lies.
I think Canada and the USA have long been a place for Irish people to escape the unvbearable situation forced upon, both in the 1800s (Irish Famine) and the 1900s (The Troubles). Do you feel that you did the right thing for you and your family by leaving and going to Canada? I know that you don't know for sure how staying would have worked out but just wondered what you think.
I come from Dundee these people remind me so much my earlier life strugling to buy a house moving from an old tenament outside toilet ect cab relate so much too them
Very sad what this community had to go through. The so called paratroopers were not soldiers but mindless killers without a soul or brain between their shoulders.
The thing with the Parachute Regiment is it's soldiers are chosen for and indoctrinated in constant "controlled aggression". They are the tip of the spear and provide support to UK Special Forces. They are not suited to the role they were given in NI. I'm not saying that as an excuse for what happened over there by the way.
@@richardmcgrath9729 Listen pal , Go figure, Bojo the clown 🤡 sold you out this time ⏲️, But long before him ever single British government has made it absolutely clear that they wanted out of ireland but cannot and will not until a vote is for a utd Ireland,, Now if you have a brain in head you will know that 65% of kids going to school in ulster ireland 🇮🇪 class themselves as Irish people not British .
@@richardmcgrath9729 UDF , ! Who cares what they called themselves ALL cut ✂️ from the same murderous British army who were operating in a foreign land and paid a massive price for it , 3 to 1 all day long . With out taking the gloves off and belive me the Gloves never came off as it was a controlled army not like your working class British toy soliders going around killing kids and then covering it all up with the full backing of the British terrorist state ,
@@richardmcgrath9729 Bojo the clown 🤡 and his oven ready deal ! needs to take a walk around the grave yards in Ireland 🇮🇪 , And look at the age of the kids head stones who were gunen down like dogs in their own country by a foreign force who never had a right in Ireland 🇮🇪 and never will have a right in Ireland and never can have a right in Ireland 🇮🇪 ,
Depends on who you talk to. The Orange Lodge would tell you they are celebrating their “freedom “ and heritage but many Catholics would say that they are trying to emphasize to Catholics that they are second class citizens and just trying to rub it in
What they should have done was evacuated all civilians from the area and left it to the RA and Army to fight it out. Sadly many young fellas put on the front line in the british army tend to be of low emotional intelligence from a working class area in England and Scotland. This is why you had trigger happy immature soldiers shooting indiscriminately at innocent people.
id love to put the photos of Springmartin homes shot to bits I've stories of people being picked off if not them they got the dogs but sure it's all bad the other way protestants again
The biggest and most horrible trouble was and is Britain's absurd and obsessionnal stance that they are the masters of the world ans are always right ............... everybody knows it is poppycock except the britiches themselves.......... my two cents of outrage because of what they done to both my Irish and Québécois ancestors ..........................
? Your French ancestors are squakey clean aren't they, even today in Africa they are creating havoc ! Better to put your brain into gear before talking about what you have read !
My mate lived in springmartin their men where out all night to make sure republican death teams did not come in the boys end called 2nd battalion a company of the UDA
This programme starts of neutral, then becomes very Irish nationalists aligned, pity, I was born in to a house in new Barnsley greds , my cousin Nansen Street, we know different.
