1986 World Series, Game 7: Red Sox @ Mets 

me too!

Movie matics same here. 9 yo. In Brooklyn. Troop and flushing ave, saw my dads friend shouting lungs out in excitement. Been a Mets fan since the. Wear my cap loose or win with pride

Movie matics I was 10 in QUEENS a Nuyorican kid who loves baseball and his METS FOREVER

Same here, I was 7. I remember game 6 and 7 like it was yesterday

I didn't know Don Baylor and Dave Henderson were dead.

Yes Hendu died in 2015, and Baylor in 2017. Bill Robinson the Mets first base coach also passed in 2007.

And Bob Murphy as well.

Dave henderson died?

@@conpop6924 On december of 2015

and the YANKEES still have 27 unlike you. the YANKS not us, are your enemy so yeah. Yankee fans still have the upper hand and bragging rights so

Mike C Fuck Yankee fans.

the kid!

Yep the 2nd best catcher in the history of the Mets next 2 ONLY MIKE PIAZZA!

@@bobbenbrown123 Right on

The missing piece. After they got him signed, it was destiny!

@@bobbenbrown123 taking carter over piazza carter was a fantastic hitter to and A GREAT CATCHER piazza couldn't catch a cold

There's a number of things that factor into that- first off, it IS still Game 7 of the World Series and even when they were down Sid Fernandez got the crowd back into the game back when middle relievers were not commonly used (Sid was normally a starter). However, just as important is the way the MLB parks are now. The game, whether you like it or not, is just part of the entertainment, now. And in some cases, if the team sucks, a very small part of it, actually. There are clubs, bars, restaurants, games for children to play, free wifi - you name it, it's in the confines of the stadium somewhere. When you have so much bullshit going on at the same time, it will detract away from the interest in the game (the game also hasn't kept up with TV and the times, as it should have, and those problems they've let fester will eventually have an adverse effect over the next 10-15 years, as millennials become the highest demographic, and that's part of it, too). Additionally, all of the fucking artificial noise that these speaker systems pump into the stadiums now, almost constantly, also has an adverse effect on crowd reaction/interest, perhaps somewhat counterintuitively. This involvement you're speaking about in 86' was organic and uninterrupted by "WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?!?!?!? .....THE HAPPY BUS IS COMING!!!!!!!.....WE WILL ROCK YOU 1,000,000,000 TIMES!!!!!!!!!........HEY NOW!!YOU"RE AN ALLSTAR, GET YOUR GAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!EXIT LIGHT, ENTER NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!....." and the endless motherfucking barrage of bullshit that's pumped into one's senses even at a meaningless game, much less a game on National TV for all the marbles. Sometimes I seriously want to go into the sound room of these places and just blow the guy at the CPU away, so the bullshit noise can stop invading my sense of sound, and so I can actually listen to the person next to me fucking talk. And yes, there are all the minions that want to live their lives through their cellphones, so when a big play/moment happens instead of being really into it, they go and reach for the Goddamned camera on their phones, as if anybody's going to want to watch their crappy 30 seconds of their perspective in the ballpark (Ah....hello?! Remember, the game's on TV!!!!!!!!) So there you have it, those are the myriad of reasons it's not usually like this, now. Not just about pricing people out (although that's a factor, as well).

My thoughts exactly! That's why it used to be SO HARD to win a game 7 on the road! Have you noticed now how many teams win Game 7's on the road in the playoffs? It happens ALL THE TIME!!! When I was growing up it almost NEVER Happened!

@@jpwjr1199 well put, totally agree with your assessment of how corporate america has ruined the games we love, and everything else. they have to put a price on everything these days, nothing is out of bounds, and as you say most people who haven't seen a decent raise in 40 years, now have to shell out over a days pay to watch a goddamn game. it's out of fucking control. we need to take america back from the greedy 1%.

@@tomitstube It's true what you're saying to a degree, and I agree with the sentiment. I also was trying to point out that some things were unavoidable, like the cellphones and wi-fi at the games. If I were to attack corporate America and how it affects pro sports, I'd look first to the taxpayer funded, tax free for the team owner's stadium/arena deals.

@@jpwjr1199 agree with that too, we must end corporate welfare for team owners, and do away with their anti-trust protections. why do billionaires and the companies they run have so many protections? i thought the "free market" was supposed to take care of that. it's all a scam by the 1% and the puppets they (s)elect. and this is across the board for numerous tax funded private subsidies, that almost *never* do what they promise as far as jobs and economic growth for the communities the *pretend* to serve. nyc rejecting to pay amazon 3 billion dollars just for coming there is a great start. pretty amazing how amazon wanted a headquarters in either d.c. or n.y. and when they can't get the billions in give aways, bezos decides to not to expand. i thought this was about jobs? nope it was all about getting more corporate welfare and not having to promise anything in return. but yeah, tax payers paying millions for stadiums that billionaire owners then use to gouge the (same) people who paid for the stadium? $10 beers, $5 sodas, parking? the average ticket in the nfl is $83. and that's before you're gouged at the stadium... and all this at the cost of not paying for schools, infrastructure, parks, and community projects?!?! and the people working there are making minimum wage? owners are literally taking out cheap seats to put in corporate suites. how is this scam allowed to continue? it amazes me how the rich blatantly rip us off and nobody bats an eye... ah yes, and then there's the corporate media controlling the narrative...

And a genuinely nice guy. I'm a lifelong Mets fan who met Buckner several years before he passed away, and he couldn't have been nice. RIP.

Roberto Lopez not to mention the fact that the game was already tied when he made that error--they had already blown a 2-run lead with only one out left to get. Blame is more appropriately assigned to Schiraldi, or truthfully more accurately, McNamara for not using his players properly. Schiraldi shouldn't even have still been in the game in the first place. It was his third inning of work, which is more than is ever supposed to be asked of a closer, particularly when Stanley had yet to allow an earned run in that series. He should have been in from the start of that inning, not brought in only with the tying run already at 3rd.

Amen!

@@2010metsfan yes

He wouldn't have had time anyway if he caught it. Too far away.

I'm a Mets fan but I really respected Bill. He was a classy guy who played hard. Thankfully years later he was honored by the Red Sox.

There's a long list of people to blame and Buckner is nowhere near the top.

Also, he was on deck when the final out happened

The score was tied when that ground ball was hit - the bullpen lost Games 6 and 7.

@@EdTracey347 McNamara is the one who should take the blame. I can think of about a half a dozen of them off the top of my head.

***** Yeah no selfie sticks there LOL!!!

The good old days indeed. 1986 was my favorite year for so many different reasons. Mainly because I'm a die hard Boston Celtics fan and in my opinion, that was the best team ever. Also my Canadiens won the Cup over the Calgary Flames.

How can a Boston Celtics fan be a fan of the Montreal Canadiens? Real Boston sports fans hate the Canadiens.

LOL, yea back then it was magazines, newspapers, notice how none of the guy's on the field had tattoos, earrings..

Right on the good old Days give me them any time etc

I coached youth baseball with Jessie in San Diego several years back, he's a great guy, great family.

@@eightinches6094 He Pitched One hell of a Game in this World Series Win etc.

Very True. And Joe Gibbs is still on the podium trying to figure out how the 86 New York Giants beat the Redskins in the 86 NFC Champion Ship Game. He's in the Guinness Book for longest beard ever.

Jajjajajajakaa

You want to laugh, i always wondered what happened to that glove ? Im not kidding. With all those cops im sure they got it. If you notice they all held on to their gloves.

The Sux also had a 3-0 lead in the 6th inning of Game 7, they could've held that lead but didn't

Oh yeah, I mean he was just the scapegoat. These Mets were my last "totally favorite" baseball team. I was a senior in HS when this happened and I had liked them since I was in 8th, when they were dead last. The team they had arranged over the next few years was so fun to watch on the old WOR. This was the crown jewel of all their accomplishments. I had watched them scrape back in many a game before this. I loooooved it when Jesse Orosco would come out in relief because they almost always won. Hardly EVER did he blow it for them. Calvin Shiraldi had actually been a Mets pitcher a couple years before this. The whole Sox pitching lineup blew this.

They lead 2 games to 0 after Game 2, but couldn't do anything with that either.

Lucas McCain Red Sox built an early 3-0 lead, Bruce Hurst - who would've been the World Series MVP had Boston won it - held the Mets scoreless through 5 innings. The Mets just simply refused to labor. Even early on when their bats were quiet, you had to sense that they would eventually get their bats in gear. The Mets won over 100 games that year & a lot of those in come-from-behind fashion, so they just didn't panic even when it took them until the 6th to finally get to Hurst & the Red Sox bullpen.

Migueltio Schiraldi was actually traded for Bob Ojeda the year BEFORE this Series, in 1985. How ironic that both pitchers would win up facing their former teams in the Fall Classic a year later.

Still can't believe Bill Buckner died..

...And Joe Garagiola.

And Bob Murphy, the longtime voice of the Mets.

Vin Scully also

I wish they wore that as an alternate uniform. It would be awesome!

+FrankaDankus327 They will now!! Every Sunday home game.

Andy Ohr i know! im so pumped.

I know, right? What do they have now, about 30 different uniforms? This one was the best. I don't get all the alternate crap. At least the Yankees never do that.

Glory Days !!! They are comming !!!

Why dont you time it. They would never do that now. Never !!

Agree. Buck, no way

Yeah but they do keep that respectful silence now. After winning a really dramatic championship. I've seen many modern era World Series (post 2000s) where yes, Joe Buck shuts his mouth and lets the winners celebrate. Check out 2001. I think it was almost 4 minutes without a word after his call of "Floater, center field, the Diamondbacks are World Champions!" After Aaron Boone's homer clinched the ALCS in 2003 I don't think anything was said after Buck's homerun call until the on-field interview of Boone. It depends on the drama and the emotion involved. I think if it's an easily clinched title and the emotion and celebration is muted somewhat, Buck (or whoever is announcing) will talk again relatively quickly after his clincher call (he kept on talking right over the 2003 Marlins celebration in Yankee Stadium but that wasn't a wild celebration or moment either). But if its an ending that squeezes out all the emotion and suspense, particularly if the home crowd is thrilled, then he will keep it quiet for a while. Off memory, I am not sure about 2011 but that would be another good one to look at and compare considering that Cardinals team was also down to their final strike multiple times and then clinched at home.

@M i told you to STFU

Nobody called a game like Vin

It’s a crime that Keith Hernandez has not been added to the Hall of Fame too

You got that right. Darling struggled and the Mets weren't scoring. It was some dire times when Sid Fernandez came in. Fernandez handled his biz and the Mets were better for it.

Arizona vs. Yankees in 2001 was pretty epic as well with the Brosius and Tino homers in last at bats. Mariano losing in game 7 as well

I remember the Win in 69' Seems like only Yesterday.

top 5 in no order: 1975, 1986, 1991, 2001, 2016

@Councilman Les Wynan if you like pitching duel s 91 was good the 86 w s BLOWS THAT AWAY I d put the 2001 like the 86 w s dramatic in almost every game ahead of that the 75 even 2016 would pass that BORING PITCHING DUEL IN 91

1991 stands as the greatest of all time according to Historians but 1986 is in the top 5

Sad about great SS Bud Harrilson Suffering with Dementia, Wish him well also etc.

Right on

Well they had David Wright and Jose Reyes kind of like co captains in my opinion😳

They’ve had a bunch of captains since these days. Wright was an official captain, although he didn’t want the C on his jersey which I completely agree w/. John Franco was a captain for many years who did wear a C. And Hernandez and Carter weren’t captains until ‘87.

Cubs fan here. Not to mention Mookie Wilson, Wally Backman, Keith Hernandez, Ray Knight, Darryl Strawberry, Len Dykstra and Hubie Brooks. Jesse Orosco and Dwight Gooden also.

Rich Gedman was the bigger culprit. Though it was called a wild pich that scored the Kevin Mitchell tying run....it should have been scored a passed ball. That pitch was knee high and inside......but quite catchable. 8 of 10 catchers have that pitch in their mit. He simply took too long to react to it.

I keep thinking that was why Ray Knight got in Strawberry's face after Darryl touched home plate. Looks like he gave him a good tongue lashing and told him to smarten up. I could be wrong, but that's what it seemed like to me.

Yes indeed Lord Artec -- I nearly broke down in tears when I first read in the local newspapers back in the summer of 2011 that Gary Carter was diagnosed with four tumors in his brain, because I KNEW IN MY GUT that he was eventually going to die. ;-(

And I would think that Gary is boasting to Jesus that he won the World Series for the Mets and not the Expos. He was certainly a class act for America's pastime.

DISTRACTING the Red Sox pitchers....😋

She annoyed the hell out of me! What a weirdo! She must have the biggest, strongest arms in the world!

Darling had some nasty stuff back in the day.

That loud & crazy crowd (55K+) at Shea no doubt helped the Mets rally. With the COVID-19 situation I just have a really hard time picturing baseball, esp the World Series, being played with no fans.

@@2010metsfan Here we are 2 years later, & the Mets are rocking, again!

Scully was good, but if you want to hear some real pros listen to any game of the 1979 WS. The Baltimore games were done by Keith Jackson, Howard Cosell, and Don Drysdale. For the Pittsburgh games, they swapped out Keith Jackson for Al Michaels because Jackson had to work some college football games. They were the best broadcasting team that ever did it. The knuckleheads that call baseball today make the game unwatchable so I stopped watching.

@@zephead843the ultimate “real pro” is vin scully. he is the undisputed greatest announcer for a reason.

Gary Thorne is good too regardless of what others say

I watched something about the Mets doc last year & they said the issue might have stemmed from Carter was supposed to be the leader of the team but it was really Keith's team something like that so maybe a bit of ego in who was the capt or guy the troops followed ? Winning is think heals a lot of that kind of stuff. Like I learned watching an interview that the Riley Knicks that took the 93 bulls to 7 & than lost to them the next year in 6 was large in part that mark Jackson was the leader of the team & was stupidly traded away plus the non signing of Xavier McDaniel. Anyway just b/c Ewing was the best player didn't make him the leader. Ewing was notoriously very quiet & media shy & yes he was a warrior top 50 player hof easy & tried to lead by example but sometimes u need that vocal guy in the clubhouse. Apparently Mark Jackson was it according to many Knicks & he was gone for the aging doc rivers who was hurt in early in their finals run & Derek harper became that guy. Maybe a pg is that if the franchise player isn't. Also having said that I can't believe Ray knight who literally was the spark for the Mets in the title win mvp for the series was only offered a measly 5k raise so he was offended ( Don't blame him for walking ) so in ur title defense year of 87 u take the field the very next season w/o the mvp. Knight made such a difference in the Mets last 2 do or die wins. He was the 3rd base hit in a row that scored Carter & got Mitchell to 3rd so that when the wild pitch came in Mitchell scored. Then he scored the famous winning run & is part of the greatest call ever by Vin scully " here comes knight & the Mets win it " then in game 7 he crushes a 3 run home run. W/o knight they don't win. It also annoys me that all people did was blame Buckner or the curse of babe Ruth instead of saying the Mets in a 99% chances they lose spot w/ 2 out nobody on base come back to win. So credit to the Mets in the biggest most epic comeback in a huge world series game where they were about to be eliminated win it. I still get chills watching it from the point of Keith making the 2nd out & literally the scoreboard at Shea congratulated the Sox & the locker room had the t shirts champagne & when it was tied they had to book everything out of there. So the Sox came as close to winning a title as u can. 5 x only 1 strike away. The Mets were just clutch city. Then they were down again in game 7 & came back. They refused to say die.

They should have let Oil Can Boyd start his regular rotation for game 7. It were pure discrimination against Oil Can Boyd. The Bible say's people will reap what they sow. They sowed discrimination and they reap a humiliating loss !!

​Why couldn't oil can pitch game 7

Doc Goodrn switch hit game 6 😂

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@War Productions Too lazy to look into it yourself moron?

Thank You 1986 METS it was a Special time in this City and I'll NEVER FORGET IT

No, this is Patrick! Lol P.S. I was six months old when this game took place.

Probably the greatest post season in baseball history. Mets/ Astros, Red Sox/ Angels, Mets/ Red Sox

tYup, Angels, Red Sox and Astros mets series were both epic. The Astros Mets series was really good. game 6 went 16 innings.

Yep, you were at the perfect age to witness the greatest post season in MLB history. My personal fave is game five of the ALCS. Al Michaels said it best after Hendu's two run shot with two outs in the top of the ninth and down to their last strike, "You're lookin' at one for the ages here."

Who hit the homer for the Red Sox that gave them the lead in game 7 of the 1986 world series?

what a post season. Could've easily been Houston vs California in the World Series.....amazing how many times the MEts came back when defeat seemed only a strike away. What a post season run.

​@@robertjacobs2796Dwight Evans I believe or Rich Gedman

El Sid was the momentum change the Mets needed in this game.

rm1133 exactly correct

How old were u?

How was you experience at this game? My guess that you had a great thrill.

1:

1:52:55: Do you see the NYPD's horsemen on their steeds? There's a white horse in the NYPD's midst.

Boggs' mother passed in an auto accident during the '86 season. Has to be the reason why.

Denver Bronco fan here. A very enjoyable series.

Then we clipped you down 3-0 and have won 4 times as many as you in the last 2 decades 😭 Don't give me that 27championship crap when exactly 20 of your championships have literally been before 1963 LMAO😭 You have 7 in the last 60 years. You have 1 in the last 24 years. We have 4 in the last 19 years.

God bless your parents I want you to MedVed even though it's going across the street from Yankee stadium and I was hanging fell when I was going up anyway 1969 game truly call amazing

@@speakinfaxonly21 you bums have 4 in the past 105 years and you’re trying to talk shit?!? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🖕🏻

@@speakinfaxonly21 oh and guess what, those titles before 1963 still count the same. 86 years of losing and finally started to string a few together. Now Red Sox fans think they are the Yankees with all the championship gloating 🤣🤣

Gary Street Yeah. That 16 inning classic in the NLCS Mets vs Stros and the ALCS where the Red Sox themselves down to their last out when Henderson played hero and clubbed a home run.

MetsGiantsRangersKnicksNYSports Rarely do you see the 3 biggest post-season series all go to game 7. Both the ALCS and the NLCS were insane

Mets/Astros NLCS was actually 6 games, but felt like 7. If you count all the extra innings in that series though, it adds up to about 7 games. Probably the most intense and greatest series EVER that didn't go the full 7 games.

I remember watching the Mets on, channel 9 (WOR tv) I believe, I was six years old when my mother bought her first house on 43st n Queens Blvd,about a dozen stops before the Shea Stadium #7train stop. Those where great days n after that, going to the stadium with my Grammer school friends n seeing the Mets play at Shea the following year n paying a $1.50 for a general admission bleecher ticket n sneaking down to c the players n Yogi Berra. The NYJETS won the SUPER BOWL THAT YEAR TOO! I was 6yrs old in 1969,beautiful women,great music n fast muscle cars!! Papa...

Robert Schalk the train stop is/was Willets Point/Shea Stadium.

David 7, The Mets mainly let him go because they felt he was a bad influence on Doc Gooden and Darryl Strawberry. Those two didn't need anyone's help to get into shit, but Mitchell made things worse for them. Mitchell was a SERIOUS firecracker on and off the field. He choked the hell out of a Pirate player during an in game brawl in '86.

Kim Martin I agree Kim, I had a game going on the computer yesterday... I heard the voice announcing and realized it was Vin Scully. Was a Dodger game. I watched it just cause of him. :)

Really did they have VHS back then

John Windsor My dad paid $1,000 for a VCR in 1981

I don't have the actual game on VHS but months later MLB released a VHS of the Series, with key moments of every game. I still have it. Need to have it transfered to a disc.

Hurst was great in the Series. He gave up 3 runs in 5 innings to the '86 Mets after he beat them twice.

It wasn't rumored. He admitted to using cocaine in the early 1980's to a grand jury during the Pittsburgh Pirate drug investigation in 1985 and he also he admitted in a book he wrote on the 1985 season "If at First"

@@paulsonj72 I still have the updated paperback of that book. He includes the 1986 season in it. Glad he kicked it because he was a huge part of the '86 season.

@@2010metsfan I had a copy of the same book but lost it over the years with many moves.

The cocaine habit is why the Cardinals traded him. It was a confusing trade that made no sense at the time. Only later was the real reason for the trade reveled. That being said, I agree with your assessment of Hernandez’s abilities. Also, when the Cardinals traded him they sat in 1st pace, they ended the season in 4th.

akaredcrossbow wow! I can’t believe I hadn’t heard about this yet. Lewy Body Dementia? I wonder how long he was dealing with that. I’m glad the Boston fans finally made peace with him before he died. It was totally unfair what he went through. Thanks for sharing this.

Alamo James pretty much the worst dementia you can get with Parkinson’s disease. A lot of people don’t understand that the loss of the 86 World Series was not even close to being his fault, it was just a memorable play unfortunately. All the problems happened prior to the ball going through his legs. It was actually pitching and management that should have been blamed for that fiasco, plus the Red Sox had another game to win it and they didn’t. Again it was so unfortunate that the blame was put all on him and the loss had nothing to do with just him. Pitching: 2 outs 3 balls 2 strikes to win the World Series. Instead of striking the batter out he gets on base, then 2 more batters get on base🤔 seems to me blame on pitching and blame on coach for not replacing pitcher, blame on coach for not replacing Buckner “Buckner asked to be replaced” because he could barley walk at that point. Much respect for Bill Buckner!!

I think Mr. Buckner was much better with the Cubs than with Boston. Sadly one of baseball's greats who went without a single World Series title. May God bless you Mr. Buckner!

And it was The Franchise's last game, ironically enough, watching the Mets celebrate. So in essence, Seaver was a part of both Mets championships; one as a Met and one as a visitor.

Tom Sever was a great Met Pitcher Who helped the Win in 69' etc.

@@UncleClaudeSportsandThangsand davey johnson had the opposite experience, making the last out in 1969, flying out to cleon jones

One of my worst. Told mom in game 6, "the Sox are finally going to do it!"...We know how that ended. By the time I saw Boggs crying on the bench in Game 7 I had to go upstairs and shed a few myself.

@@TheocratOfPoontang I can only imagine how it felt to be on the losing end in that series. Despondent and gut wrenching no doubt.

@@MaximusWolfe It only took 18 years for the pain to fully go away. 😉 Now, we're rather spoiled as Sox fans. But honestly, I still think of the drama of the '86 Series (and playoffs) the most.

Can't compare a 108 win team to the 69 Mets who defeated the virtually invincible Baltimore O's (that were WS champs 3 years earlier and one year later). In both cases it was pitching, Bobby Ojeda shut the Sox down the same way Jerry Koosman shut the O's down.

I was watching from my couch biting my nails! ⚾️🏆

Tom Ok their first was in 1969

30 years after that, the Chicago Cubs broke a 108-year curse by winning their first World Series in over a century, and no one Cubs fan could be more happier: one of childrens' TV's most beloved, and one of WGN-TV's most beloved personalities Bozo the Clown!

Yeah, the Mets haven't done shit since the Berlin Wall fell!!!

They have a good chance this year.

Pitching around Tuefel to pitch to Keith Hernandez = Expert managing (not!)

@@alanpeel1981It wasn't an intentional walk, but it was strange that Boston starter Bruce Hurst was pitching Tim Teufel too carefully, what with Keith Hernandez up.

I could care less about both teams but speaking as an impartial viewer those people rolling thier arms should've been kicked out of the stadium

@@clanshepard you must be fun at parties

"......or Bill Russell hitting the guy wire before Havlicek's steal." Hmmmmmmmmm, you're referring to the Boston Celtics' Bill Russell's near-fatal turnover on an inbounds pass with :05 left in Game 7 of the 1966 NBA Finals at old Boston Garden, are you not? That game, of course, is known for the late Johnny Most's IMMORTAL gravel-voiced call, "HAVLICEK STEALS IT! HAVLICEK STOLE THE BALL!" right before the final horn sounded. The other immortal Johnny Most call I remember was when Larry Bird hit a key jumper in the fourth quarter of Game 6 of the 1986 NBA finals at the old Garden to halt a last-ditch Houston Rockets rally, "......BIRD HIT IT! HE SAID, 'HERE -- I WANT TO PUT A PIN IN THE BALLOON RIGHT NOW!' " :^)

ricsanta1 Hondo's steal was in the '65 ECF,as I recall!!!!!

Maurice Belk Yes the 76ers had a chance to take the lead but Havlicek made a clutch steal to clinch the game.

Guy wire?

exactly

AgentGodzillaRangerPrime1701 Is that supposed a bad thing?

AgentGodzillaRangerPrime1701 and also would have Martial Law and break into people's homes!

Yes indeed ambis99 -- and the thing that made that smoke bomb at 2:29:55 a TOTALLY CRUEL ACT OF SYMBOLISM was that it was COLORED RED! ;^(

Wow true. Thanks for reminding me of that one!