'' I dont think the other horse (Dayjur) was going to go by '' What fucking race was this clown watching? Dayjur had the race won, He was going away from the filly and put in an Istabraq leap. How unlucky was Dayjur there, Sickening. The best sprinter I've ever seen from Europe
The american trainers, werent very sportsmanlike . Remember leroy jolley crowing over manilla, and saying dancing brave never beat anything of merit previously......
@@kRomani-gh4ws What about woody Stevens ordering ,Pat Day on forty niner to carry Winning Colors way out into the middle of the track, do everything bhe could to prevent her from winning the Preakness, just because he didn't believe a filly should run against the boys, She was never the same after that, ran one more good race( Breeders Cup distaff.)
Retired jockey Craig Perret (born February 2, 1951) last April was voted to be inducted to The National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame. Perret, 68, was North America's leading apprentice jockey by earnings in 1967 (prior to the Eclipse Awards) and won the 1990 Eclipse Award for Outstanding Jockey and in 1998 he received the George Woolf Memorial Jockey Award. A native of New Orleans, Perret won 4,415 races in a career that spanned from 1967 to 2005. He won the Belmont Stakes in 1987 with Bet Twice, denying Alysheba the Triple Crown. Three years later, Perret won the Kentucky Derby with Unbridled. He won four Breeders' Cup races, including two editions of the Sprint (G1), as well as two runnings of both the Travers Stakes (G1) and Queen's Plate, among others. In 1994, Craig Perret was inducted into the Fair Grounds Racing Hall of Fame and in 2006 into the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame induction ceremony will take place at 10:30 a.m., next August 2 at the Fasig-Tipton sales pavilion. The event is open to the public and free to attend. Legendary racecaller Tom Durkin will serve as master of ceremonies. Congratulations Mister Perret! Best Regards from Venezuela.
Dayjur was a front runner that was used to taking the lead straight away and he'd had never raced on dirt; had to be hard ridden, from a bad draw to get near the front. Willie Carson is barely getting at him and he passes the filly. The fact is, if he'd not jumped the shadows, he'd have won.
Ïf the race had been twenty minutes earlier, or a half-hour later, that shadow wouldn't have been there. It was a one-in-a-million chance. It was a gift. Like looking down on the ground and finding a lotto ticket. But she (Safely Kept) earned it" Craig Perret, Safely Kept's jockey
I also don't recall Dayjur having to have the starting post next to him vacant because a naughty horse was drawn next to him & his record had to be protected ;-)
Mr. Nickerson was a horse from Parx (then Philadelphia Park) who was quite prolific and profitable. His trainer, Mark J. Reid, was one of the best in the nation at the time.
she would have started at 33 & been lucky to finish mid-field. Soul, who finished within 1.5L of BC in the DJ wasn't within 12L of her in Australia. i think your name is pretty fitting. I think I could fit your racing knowledge onto a postcard, writing in a thick marker pen.
It was the track, back then they just got rid of their poly track and they decided that they were not going to moist the track. So that whole week the track was hard and dry. Very bad mistake with many sad loses. I'm happy they now made laws for moisturizing tracks in the US
You're right, my mistake. Dayjur ran a blistering 1:12.5 (slow by 2 secs) on Good going to beat Royal Academy, who would have been 25's in the Lightning Stakes this year. I retract my statement... clearly Dayjur would have lapped Black Caviar.
Sure won every turf race last year except for the sprint, I should've had the last 2 but I was reaching for a long shot by then. I liked the O'Brien horse in the F &M turf, and the other Appleby in the Turf Classic. My pick Master Piece still hasn't won a race..
on the other hand WAS spelled after Futurity in March, so was a significantly fresher conveyance by the time he ran in the King Stand. Her Ascot run was a tourist stop, not serious racing. To judge her on that performance is ridiculous... as opposed to a race like the 2011 Newmarket, carrying 58Kg's & breaking a track record.. eased up the last 50m. Or the 2012 Lightning where she ran a 9.98 furlong to equal a 25 year old track record.. or the 2013 version where she broke that same track...
Yeah, maybe she will miss the start in the Diamond Jubilee & run second in the 3rd slowest time in history and then we can start comparing her to Dayjur. I think Dayjur and Hay List would have been a good contest. Black Caviar is something else though.
So let me ask you some basic questions & see if you can answer them. Which horse had a better record? Which horse had a greater distance range? Which horse ran consistently faster times (not a great measure I know)? Which horse raced against the better opposition? These should be easy enough answers... but for someone who "is sure Mandurah is a wonderful horse," I'm not holding my breath.
Hay List is more highley rated than any of the myriad of Australian sprinters who went to England and won Royal Ascot sprinters. He's rated more highly than Miss Andretti, Takeover Target, Starspangledbanner, Choisir & Scenic Blast. Dayjur's distance was obviously 5F... on even terms I think he'd have been too fast for Hay List. Over 6F the difference would have been diminished, but I would still give it to Dayjur on most occasions. Black Caviar though... as fast as he was he'd never have...
7F form, & if she wasn't injured, you could easily (but incorrectly) conclude it was a stamina issue. Remember she had been up for practically 12 months before she went to Ascot. Her first run that preparation was October 2011. Horses are not machines.. some travel better than others. Had she been spelled after the Lightning in February & then gone to Ascot no doubt you'd have seen a different horse. But you never know how well they have really done until you get them under race pace. Choisir...
bgardiner2000 safely kept my favorite of all time won future at Vegas and the track perfect rodr her out he won it dayjur shadow jump and petter got the money
While it was a benchmark performance, the rating Frankel was given for the performance was adrenergic. Excellerbration is only just a miler. There would have had to have been 5L between himself and Side Glance to warrant such a rating... but there wasn't. It was a neck. Frankel's performance, as good as it was, was made to look better by a tiring Excellerbration who would normally have been 5L adrift of Frankel & 5L in front of Side Glance. On better going that would have been the case.
Mandurah did that at Monmouth, breaking the world record for a mile (wuth a 65ft run-up). I suppose u'll tell me then that he is a better miler than Frankel based on that? No, he's not. Dayjur, whilst a rare talent, had a record of 11:7-3-0 against questionable sprinting competition. His TF rating (a peak rating) was established in his York win (spectacular no doubt), & on that form he would be right with Black Caviar over 5F. But her record speaks for itself. She is by far the better sprinter.
'' Ascot straight nearly killed her '' Was just layman's terms. I'd say her stamina was stretched at Ascot, And possibly the toughest track shes race on. I don't really buy in to the travelling theory, Yes some horses don't travel but she had more than enough time to climatise and get used to her new surroundings in England aswell as having the full week of prep whilst Ascot was on going...
Laughable that some idiot thinks Black Caviar would have beaten Dayjur. I have never seen a faster English sprinter. He was unlucky in this on his debut experience on "dog track". Black Caviar struggled to win on turf in the UK where she met better quality horses. Frankel could have won the mile & beaten her the same day!
super-horse... but Black Caviar has eclipsed him by any measure you could care to make, aside from his ability to handle dirt (maybe). How does Dayjur get a 137 for the Nunthorpe but Miss Andretti only gets 129 for the King Stand? Or how Deep Impact didn't get 140+ for his win in the 2006 Tenno Sho? Frankel is rightfully rated perhaps the greatest of all time, despite never seriously challenging and race / national records. For the same reasons, Black Caviar is streets ahead of Dayjur.
run a sub-10s furlong the way she could. Dayjur would be a 1 horse race.. I'm pretty certain. Of course, this is speculative. But if you draw a form line through the best sprinters year in year out in Europe, & the degree by which the ANZ sprinters are better than they are, it stands to reason that a bench-mark European sprinter like Dayjur would be the best of a just above average year in ANZ... a bit like our middle distance horses when comparing them to the Europeans.
Streets ahead? Unlikely, I'd love to have seen the two meet over 5 furlongs. Lets not forget the Ascot straight nearly killed her when she came over to Europe - I personally don't think she was all that. A good horse but nothing more...
track record first up after 8 months off. Judging her on her Asoct run is tantamount to judging Frankel on his run in the SJP where things really didn't go his way. It's idiocy Owl. The quality of the opposition she beat in Australian sprinting is significantly better than the B grade European opposition. Star Witness, Ortensia, Soul and others point pretty clearly at this. Well, clear if you have a clue what you're looking at.
She'll be judged by British race fans who wouldn't know any better Owl on her run in England. That's the harsh reality. People without the wherewithall to look beyond her Ascot run, or who choose to ignore some pretty obivous form markers point at it & exclaim that it supports their otherwise lame arguments. I'm sure though, that you're not one of these. No doubt, the track conditions & the nature of the course itself were probably tougher than she had come across before. & had she not any ...
No, Mandurah is not a "wonderful horse." He's a CLAIMER. Do you even know what that means? He ran that time on a fast dirt track, with no undulations, with a 65ft run-up, with no weight, on probably on bute & lasix. That is my whole point. You are quick to assert that Dayjur's time is completely benchmark, despite the consistently fast times that Black Caviar has set over the course of her amazing career. One fast time does not a legend make... & I'm not saying that Dayjur was not a...
I remember Choisir winning both Gr1's at Ascot that week and the travelling didn't take it out on him. Yes Black Caviar maybe fragile and maybe we didn't see her at her best at Ascot but she'll be forever judged on that performance here in England and thats the harsh reality. Shes clearly top class but I think I've seen better and thats just my personal opinion...
An idiot looking at her royal Ascot performance, claiming that was anywhere near the best she goes would conclude that. I can just imagine our SurpremeOwl joining in the chorus of indignation at the claims made of BC's injuries immediately after the race. Now that the injuries have been confirmed "the Ascot straight nearly killed her." And you're calling me deluded? Perhaps you need a lesson in form reading. Let me know if I can contribute in any way.
Yeah, I hear Coolmore are going to cross some Shire stock into the mix. They'll be a sure thing. You really are a complete noob. Black Caviar equalled the track record in the Lightning Stakes this year... a record set by a great Australian sprinter named Special. The reason the record has stood for so long? Australian tracks are not allowed to get as fast as they did then. Dayjur's York win was outstanding. Maybe you should have a look at Miss andretti in the 2007 King Stand breaking the ...
Muppet, if you're going to go to the trouble of quoting, try getting it right. I said he couldn't go a step over 5F. And on the face of it that is true. He beat statues at any distance over 5F. The Breeders Cup sprint the biggest in the world? You're joking aren't you? The record of Australian sprinters in the UK would be evidence enough a half-wit to evidence the strength of Oz sprinters. Some of our 2nd & 3rd tier sprinters have dominated the big sprint races in the UK. Perhaps you can ...
like Takeover Target, Scenic Blast, Starspangledbanner & Miss Andretti (who would have been the equal of Dayjur over 5F on good going IMO). Hay List on reasonable going would beat any sprinter to have come out of Europe in the last 20 years. Black Caviar won 22 races straight, in an industry that consitently produces the best sprinters. Your idea of big horses carrying weight easier is absolute nonsense. I've never heard such drivel. As for Moonlight cloud... in this years lightning Stakes ...
So, you agree Frankel is a better miler, even though Mandurah ran 6.62 seconds faster at Monmouth? FYI Mandurah, the season he ran that record was a CLAIMER! Yet you go on to crap on about the relevance of times. Make your mind up... either they matter or they don't. Miss Andretti, who smashed the track record in the King Stand by 1.5 secs was only given a rating of 129 for that performance. Dayjur's run at York was no more impressive. You're comparing a 100m T&F to racing? What? Hilarious.
learn my suject? That's hilarious. Before you make a bigger fool of yourself go and have a look at the 2011 Newmarket Handicap where she set a weight carrying record & nearly broke the track record for 6F. Go & even find a race where dayjur won over 6F... you won't, because he couldn't go a step over 5. Or have a look at the 2012 Lightning Stakes... where she ran a furlong in 9.98s, beating a horse that has achieved a higher rating than a whole host of Australian world champion sprinters...
I didn't know about Dayjur. You have to be kidding don't you? You're really clutching at straws now. I used to sit down the beach as a child watch the great Australian triple crown winner Placid Ark work on the beach. I rode a multiple group 1 winning sprinter called Dark Beau in pre-pretraining. I will forget more about sprinting thoroughbreds whilst ogling my corn-flakes tomorrow morning than you will know in your entire pathetic life. What does Black Caviar not racing in the US hve to ...
track record by 1.5 seconds. So what? Maybe you tjhnik Mandurah is a better miler than Frankel?? No idiot. Times are irrelevant. Dayjur is the only sprinter from the northern hemisphere who could have held a candle to BC... there are though half a dozen or more from the other side of the world.
Are you deluded? Hay list would have beaten any sprinter to come out of Europe in the past 20 years? Hes just a punchbag for Black Caviar. Dayjur would have beaten him over 5 or 6 furlongs Im pretty certain...