Dina Kochetkova's bar routine was so ahead of it's time. Even though it was much simpler back then, you can still see glimpses of today's transition-heavy routines. I wished she had a more successful Olympics; she is such a talented gymnast.
@@ralphbourgeois5875 Absolutely! There's no chance Khorkina was deducted for all the errors on the bars AND how low her chest was when she landed. The most unusual thing Khorkina did for me was when her score came through, she rushed up to Dina and was hugging her and was so excited it seemed for Dina. I remember thinking that the scoreboard had their order wrong and was relieved. She may've been happy about RUS getting silver and bronze. The other question during those finals was about Dawes' dismount. A back in full out was .1 more than a 1/2 in 1/2 out and Dawes had a 10SV but it came up as a 9.9SV with her score. Kelly wasn't happy but the judges didn't budge, they refused to accept it as the back in full out that it was.
Back on the days when most of the beam finalists are more consistent, can do very difficult acrobatic passes, and can do a full twisting double back dismount like a walk in the park. Am i the only who thinks that the beam workers back then are more skillful and consitent than today’s beam workers?
Because they could land with their chest nearly at their feet, which is super dangerous, and their form was iffy about 95% of the time. The deductions just aren't worth it for gymnasts to complete them (except for superhuman Simone Biles)
They certainly were more complete than today's beam workers, nowadays a lot of the points fall on connections which are scary and can make a routine look choppy if the gymnasts is not experienced, back then one just had to pick a few difficult combinations and add their own unique touches in hopes of a medal. Also gymnasts certainly do not work as hard as gymnasts back then, the gymnasts from the past dedicated their entire lives to gymanstics while nowadays theres so much to do and see that it's basically impossible, only aspect better today is the equipment and difficulty, fine performance is practically nonexistent
I disagree. Beam workers today aren´t as elegant but the skill level has improved and I think the execution has as well. Dawes´s form is awful and everybody has bad form on the full twisting double back but it doesn´t get deducted. So many people are saying how execution doesn´t matter anymore under the new system but I think especially on floor it has gotten better and maybe there are more wobbles on beam now than in the 90s but the form in the air is actually better. It´s just the artistry that has gotten worse but that was not what you´ve been referring to.
I miss the BALANCE part of old routines. More gradegul. I think competitors should be able to choose between old style and new style.. Even make ot another competition.. On floor and beam
dina kotchetchovas double layout makes every double layout dismount after hers look like they’re being done COMPLETELY 100% wrong, that was the definition of a streeeeeeetttttched out layout 🔥🔥🔥
The elements done by the Chinese here, if done in the current code of points, would receive built in deductions. The Mo salto would incur an empty swing deduction after regrasping the bar because it is almost impossible to swing completely out of it. The jams that Luo Li did would also incur a deduction for not coming out of the skill into an immediate handstand. Same deduction with the 1 1/2 pirouette on the high bar not coming to a complete handstand. That is pretty much why we don't see them being performed. The Mo salto IS incredibly difficult though.
@@mchur001 The Jam is exempt from ending in handstand and the Mo Salto is exempt from the empty swing deduction. People don't do them because they're just too hard.
@@lampwick4427 Yeah, like why do a Jam for an additional E-rated skill when you can get the same rating for a Shaposh transition? And even though the Mo is rated G, there other G releases that are objectively easier to do.
she was still working on the hindorff, which was great. before that, she did a jaeger, which was quite weak. I think she just wasn't ready to do the hindorff at this point
I am, and ALWAYS will be Team USA!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸💕 But I absolutely adored Lilia Podkopayeva. I wanted to someday name my Daughter Lilia after her. IDC what ANYONE says. This group of ladies will ALWAYS be THE BEST. Not just America was on fire, I mean ALL THE COUNTIES were spectacular. Just INCREDIBLE. 💕💕
Gogean has great awareness on her landings-- she easily could have stepped out on her last tumbling pass, but she is in such control, it was no problem
These gymnasts were so much better than the current gymnasts. They all dismount with full-twisting double. Now only Simone can dismount that and double-twisting double which is incredible.
I disagree. These gymnasts are falling rather often and their routines seem way shorter, which makes a massive difference in how one's endurance is affected.
Those full in dismounts would all get demolished by today’s code, being landed practically bent over double like that and with form to boot. They may not be dismounting with it today but at least they are focused on PROPER FORM!
That clip of Olga korbut is amazing I've never see such flexibility in someones back they would always show it on the opening credits of wide world of sports and if anyone knows what competition is that clip from and where could I find it
I used to be able to do that long before I became a gymnast. I'd lie in my stomach on the floor (not the beam!) and bend my spine so my feet would be flat on the ground in front of my face. I used to do a roll like that, from standing, roll toward wirh my spine bent like hers, over my face and stand again.. It grossed the gymnastics judges out too much so I only competed it once! Oh, and now nearj g 50, my back dorsntike it much years later either 😂
The loophole was they would change it slightly, for example gogean started with a full-in and ended with one, however the first one was out of a whip while the last one wasn't and therefore in that code of points counted as completely different passes
Dawes's form on beam always drives me nuts. Bent knees and flexed toes in her layouts, always. And she never seems to reach a full split in them either, her legs are too close together. Her backhand springs on the beam, when she's upside down, her legs are nowhere close to touching, her feet are over 2 ft apart. Just ugh. She was good on other events and certainly a very successful 3 time olympian, but her beam form was atrocious.
longbranch11207 Yeah, I'm not referring to her bowleggedness. She can still keep her toes together even if her legs can't touch. Have you ever seen someone like Shawn Johnson tumble on beam? Legs straight, toes pointed, and feet and legs glued together. While Dom's knees won't touch, the rest of her legs and her toes are certainly capable of being together.
When they're comparing Olga Korbut to Mo, he's getting it completely wrong. "Olga made little mistakes because she was so young." Olga was 17 at the 1972 Olympics, the same age as Shannon Miller here, who everyone is calling ancient. Mo is only 14, like Nadia was in 1976, but Nadia didn't falter under pressure. The commentators in this era of gymnastics spent so much time discussing age when success has more to do with each individual gymnast, rather than her age.
I wonder if that is a reflection of how much the age range changed since Olga-- she was considered quite young in 1972, whereas by 1994, 17 was experienced
kras118 Yes, that is very true. Gymnasts in the 50s, 60s, and early 70s were much older. It just drives me nuts how they call Olga young when she was 17, but Shannon has to prove herself and that she isn't washed up because she is so "old" at 17.
Have you seen the US Nationals from this year? They talk about Dawes and Miller like they are collecting social security! I totally agree-- very curious how the commentators would get so fixated on the 'old' athletes if they competed for more than two years!
kras118 Yes, the nationals after 1992 drove me insane with how often they talked about "old, washed up athletes" and congratulated every time a gymnast older than 16 did a hard skill because "it's so hard, for a gymnast that old."
Perhaps you could remember that Olga was competing as early as the age of 13, in early 1969 if I recall (you can find videos on RU-vid). So it's very possible he's referencing her performances prior to her Olympic debut.
Tbh the clip of Olga is kind of disturbing. She looks in pain and like she’s sleep deprived. I guess you can’t expect someone to look calm or happy when performing a move like that, but her face just seems to say “I hate this.”
That performance was at an exhibition in 1974 on abc wide world of sports and Olga Korbut had tremendous "back flexibility" and she was a dare devil so it's not very shocking that she would pioneer new skills to win the crowd over. She was very charming.😊
Although Dina had such wonderful tumbling, I would argue that Milo should've won on floor. Her tumbling was more difficult overall and the landings were more controlled. Also, Piskun probably could've covered up that last landing by connecting it to a Shushunova
Lahinas famous back to back tumbling pass on the floor reminds me of Ally Raismans. I did rely love Lavina's flick flack onto her knees and into the next one though.
14-year-old me: WHY ARE THEY ROBBING MILO LEFT AND RIGHT?!? Me-Today: I think Kochetkova had the best choregraphed routine of that entire quadrennium. Well-deserved gold medal! 😍
I thought Dawes was totally robbed of the silver on beam at first. Even with the small mistakes and wobbles and one key one on the punch front, it was still more solid than the others they showed. However then I realized her start value was 9.9 for some reason, so that explains why she was 6th and not 2nd. She must have missed some weird special requirement for the event final.
The commentators said she needed to have added one more difficulty move. So, because she didn't, its rigjt she finished down near the bottom. You want the world champ to have the degree of difficulty and execution
Back then transitions were technically release moves. I didn't understand that until Tim Dagget explained it to me. Regardless, at this level, she should have had a release move. 9.9 start value in a final isn't going to medal.
Fabrichinova should DEF have got silver here over Lilia. And Dawes score seems way to low. And lastly gymnasts were SO much better and more interesting to watch back then... actual ARTISTIC gymnastics which we no longer have. So sad. This era was part of the golden age. 80's and 90's. No one can compete with the girls of the 80's and 90's. Not even Simone. Ya, I said what I said.
austin mcwilliams The AA/Individual Events were held in Brisbane (April I believe). The Team competition was held in Dortmund (October I believe). Not sure why though.
Dominque Dawes should have went to Stanford on scholarship. Kerri Strug would 've easily taken her place. An Ivy league education is invaluable. Dawes made a bad decision going to the 1996 Olympic games.
still confused about how Shannon had a higher score than Dawes in the floor final... Wasn't this the worlds that Shannon got a good score on bars even though her feet slipped?
I think Shannon often deserved her good scores, but tended to get a little favoritism when she messed up (something that happened often with the most successful gymnasts, like Milosovici or Podkopayeva for example) and I think Dawes should have placed fourth here in my opinion. And Shannon got a good score on bars at the Team Worlds in '94 even though her foot slipped, which was about seven months after this competition because the AA/Event titles were held in April and the Team event was held in November for whatever reason.
Ehhh... No. It is pretty obvious gymnastics stunts growth. Even in figure skating girls look younger for longer. You have to remember the fat to muscle ratio in elite gymnasts is waaay out of wack compared to normal. An average 9 year does not have muscled like that. This sends hormones out of wack compared to what is normal. Go to any 5th grade class and find a girl under 4 foot. You won't. It is not just shorter than average. It is stunted. Fat is very important for puberty. I was 5' at 11.
Wow. That's tall. I was 1.37m or 4 feet 6 inches at that age. At age 9, I attended 5th Grade. I was 3 inches shorter. Everyone grows and hits puberty at different rates. The reason why gymnasts are so short is that coaches tend to train children with small parents and excessive exercise stunts growth.
Lavinia was a damn mess on bars, poor thing. Also seeing Khorkina spelled 'Chorkina' is fucking with my brain, it's worse than 'Horkina' Love how quick this coverage is, it doesn't fuck around for five years closing up on their faces waiting for the scores or any other time wasting bullshit, just gets right into the routines and onto the next ones.
23:00 that poor girl is a bag of bones! Hip bones protruding....uniform sagging. She Looks very malnourished and sickly with sunken face and all. I'm surprised she had the strength to do the routine. Looks 65 or 70 pounds.
