@@Janellabelle Being Captain has no relevance on how much credit she was given for her routine. That she was chosen to be the start off gymnast on beam does lend itself to knowing how solid she was.
@kras118 - I agree, however being the lead off gymnast on beam in Atlanta gives some merit to how solid she was. In fact she and Jaycie were chosen to start the 4 apparatus' between them because they were reliable. I know Mary Lee Tracey spoke about the decision and discussing it with the girls in some fluff piece or documentary.
@@DizzyedUpGirl Moceanu sucked at the Games. Way overhyped. Shannon and Dawes were the leading stars, while Borden and Phelps were rock solid. Chow did her main job and killed bars, even winning a surprise individual medal for the U.S. Strug was overhyped for the one vault, but she scored the highest compulsory scores on both floor and vault which was a rare star moment for her in her career and big for the U.S team. Moceanu just stunk, always overrated.
Crushed velvet leotards were the most comfortable Leo's ever! I'm sure they will come back. I hates when the new ones started to come in. They itched so bad.
Don't get me wrong, I love that the new scoring system rewards difficulty because I often feel like that was overshadowed under the 10.0 system. But on the other hand, it makes me sad to watch these old routines that were so uniquely varied by each individual gymnast, and it seems like that artistry is slowing fading into the distance in favor of the race to have the hardest routines. There's something to be said for both systems, but as both a former gymnast and a dancer myself this sport has definitely lost some of its beauty in my opinion...
Andie Bunker I agree, it's ironic when the new code is referred to as "open-ended" but you tend to see similar routines, especially Russian-esque bar routines (ex. maloney-pak salto-van leeuwen-toe on 1/2-jaeger-toe on full to full in dismount). LOL. I think it's because certain skills are valued more and gymnasts are trying to do them to maximize on the difficulty without much risk. I feel like they should add an extra 5 tenth requirement to bars, beam and floor for originality. This will give an incentive for gymnasts to have more unique routines.
@@waiduehubu512 Or they could add other requirements that prevented routines being over-filled with poorly performed high level skills at the cost of more technical aspects. For eg. connections on UB, BB & FX of lower value could allow more creativity and unique style in the routines.
Getting a new coach certainly didn't work out for Strug, she almost broke her neck and he wasn't there to spot her, sometimes it's a risky move to change coaches!
@@georgiarogers9257 coaches generally don't spot on compulsories; that would have been very strange, especially on what was really a simple skill that most Level 8s were learning then.
@@georgiarogers9257 Karolyi was her coach before Nunno. She only went to Nunno after Karolyi “retired”. 🤷🏼♀️ With the fall she had, it wouldn’t have been something to spot. Why spot in compulsories?
A million thanks to the uploader. This era of gymnastics is still my favorite. Shannon Miller will always be my favorite gymnast, but i adore Kerri Strug, Dominique Dawes, Moceanu....Jaycie Phelps. Kristy Powell. Soni Meduno was underrated and I always wanted to see more out of her. I really miss the artistry and creativity in routines. But this is amazing to watch! Thank you thank you THANK YOU!!!
Soni Meduna had a bad back injury in the gym that kept her from competing. Marianna Webster, Soni, Jenni Thompson, Michi Ishakawa, Kelly Brunk, all those Dynamo Gymnastics girls under Steve were incredible. I trained at Dynamo, here in OKC from 94-96 when I was 8-10. It was an experience watching Miller train for '96. I have a picture I've framed of myself with Peggy Liddick, on the floor at State. This, in my opinion, was THE Era. And don't get me started on Lilia or Svetlana😍😂
Unreal. Hyper aggressive and commentating so harsh. This code of points and panel of experts/coaches/head(s) of USA and USOG...I'm not surprised the such harsh commentating . nowadays it can be harsh BUT they Stoll speak so much more about execution nowadays. I love. It . artistic gymnastics eans artistic...gymnastics..
How well I remember this event. I was there with my then eight-year-old daughter. I read Dominique Moceanu’s autobiography Off Balance, and this was the horrible summer with the Karolyis at their ranch. She and Kerri Strug worked out in the Texas heat with no air-conditioning, inadequate food, and for Moceanu, the continued threat of beatings from her father if the Karolyis reported even the slightest infraction. Yes, the Karolyis were taping her leg in front of the cameras, but they were largely ignoring her when she reported pain off camera. Turned out she had a stress fracture to her right tibia. If both of them weren’t up to their best in performance, that environment could have been responsible.
Miller was such a rock. She came back from her mistake on the beam (which she is usually solid on) and absolutely owned that floor routine, then was the only gymnast to stick her vault landings, finally clutch on uneven bars. It’s too bad she couldn’t do better in Atlanta. But she will always be one of the best gymnasts ever in the world. She was so good.
Wasn't she the highest scorer in Compulsories in Atlanta? (I think?) And then became first American to win an Olympic Gold on Beam! She was great! It wasn't the medal sweep of Barcelona but was still fantastic.
@@Diemme_ Betty Okino was just a beautiful in terms of straight legs, pointed feet and just all around amazing technique and execution, but she had nowhere near the power or amplitude that Shannon did.
It was excruciatingly saccharine and full of pro-American propaganda. It always treated this young athletes as if they were somehow not fully autonomous and under grip of their looming coaches who were doing the "real work." Please don't be silly.
And their love for “little girls”? Calling 19yo’s “ancient”? No.... just no. Disgusting, especially after Larry Nassar bc he was the team doctor at this point.
Training and diet has really changed over the years. Back then 15-16 year old gymnasts looked like 10 year old girls. Now they look like young healthy women. Strug and Miller talked about that a few years back.
Jaycie and I have a similar story. My dad ended up not getting rehired for a job he had for nine years (they merged a position with his current position and he had to reapply as protocol), but he got another job that is 2 hours away from home and he commutes throughout the week. I was a junior in high school the first year of his new job and I was a cheerleader that year. I remember when he was able to come watch me compete at Nationals and to see me and my team win along with my mom. It was so special.
They don't call them the magnificent 7 for nothing but Amanda Borden is my favorite,she was rock solid in Atlanta and very under rated as was Jaycie imo
Funny hearing John Tesh say that 19 was considered too old. Since 1996 we have seen many gymnasts successfully challenge that stigma. We have had an Olympian at 46 who won a silver at 33 lol.
The hairstyles and clothes bring back many childhood memories. I was nine years old when this was happening. Kerri Strug on the vault was my Olympic moment.
I was 7! My Olympic moment too, and then after that she went on a tour signing autographs and I got her autograph at a grocery store! I was sooo nervous to meet her!! She was a sweetie and she said she liked my homemade "I ❤ Gymnastics" shirt. :)
Meeee I was 9 lol. And I was already in ballet, but then I begged to be in gymnastics and only made it 6 months lol. I liked the uneven bars and the beam for myself but in the competitions I watch, I cant pick a favorite lol. I love watching them all
This is so awesome that you guys posted this! I know you can't post the international comps, but i'm looking forward to seeing as many american comps from the "old days" as possible. You guys are awesome!
Why Dominique Moceanu was pushed to peak at 13 is beyond me. If she had been paced properly, she could have gone to the Olympics uninjured and have been one of the greats.
I really feel like the Karolyi’s sabotaged her on purpose. They really did not like her. You can tell by what Dominique writes in her book. They know nothing about proper training. They pushed all their athletes physically and manipulated them emotionally.
I had him as a coach 20 some years ago (I'm getting old) and he was a great coach! Always motivator. I dont understand all the hate he get in comments sometimes. Maybe the porn stache 😂😂😂
I just loved the girls all throughout the 90s the floor was elegant with ballet and excellent tumbling passes they just don't do this kind of gymnastics anymore
She looked SO annoyed when she came off floor and he was smothering her. 🤦♀️ Now that I’ve watched more.. after her first vault she really looks like she doesn’t want anything to do with him.. like she looked happy about sticking until he walked up on the stage...
@YoMeMyselfAndI - many people would be surprised by how amazing she was in 1992 as well. She and Mary become a must watch and she could've contended for the Olympic Team.
She was a breath of fresh air back the, and I'm sure she is now too. She just radiated positivity and sportsmanship. Her kids are truly blessed to have her for a mum.
LOL at Elfie's comment on Shannon - "remember, she's 19 years old, it takes a lot to get that around!" - 20 years later how many awesome gymnasts age 19+ are doing full twisting double backs and more?!
Oksana Chusovitina is from Uzbekistan, and she has actually been to seven Olympics--Barcelona, Atlanta, Sydney, Athens, Beijing, London and Rio. It's amazing!
It's really weird how they talk like that considering it was nothing but WOMEN who were competing in gymnastics prior to Nadia Comaneci's debut. Think of Larissa Latynina, Vera Caslavska, Ludmilla Tourisheva, Nellie Kim, Olga Korbut, Doris Fuchs Brause etc. I'm so damn glad women are taking the sport back. The lies being told about how women couldn't do this or that because of their bodies, was nothing short of borderline pedophilia to keep young prepubescent girls competing to control them, emotionally abuse them and sometimes sexually abuse them. I remember reading how the Karolyis treated the girls while they were coaches in both Romania and the US. It was horrible reading about the abuse and how scared the girls were. Many of the Romanian and Russian gymnasts have come forward with stories of abuse. I was appalled at how emotionally abusive Octavian Belu was and how he treated Alexandra Marinescu. And we must not forget Yelena Mukhina. She said, coach Mikhail Klimenko treated her like she wasn't even human. Kept pushing her and pushing her to more and more dangerous skills which ultimately resulted in quadriplegia. That's the kinda crap a woman wouldn't take and people know it and don't like it. Hence, why so many women have been low key insulted and called divas for their strong personalities. Svetlana Boguinskaya, Svetlana Khorkina, Aliya Mustafina, Gabby Douglas etc., all scrutinized for their behavior and being called difficult, or not perky enough for the audience or not smiling enough etc.
@@grassfedmilkmomma well to be fair it wasn’t the experience that anyone else had with them. Keri, Mary Lou, Kim, etc said they were tough but they weren’t abused. Dominique had a different experience because her dad wanted her to training to be strict, he was the one who pushed for and even took part in abusing her.
Lady Jay Mac incorrect. We actually didn’t need her vault to win. It was still spectacular tho. There real contributions came from miller in compulsories and Dawes in optionals.
@@JamesFrew1 I admire her for her brave act but lets face it that moment gets way overhyped, especialy as you said the U.S still would have won Team Gold. And she milked the fame for that one vault for all it is worth when she was essentialy a very mediocre and sloppy gymnast. Yes I said it.
Bela Karolyi said at least a couple of times that Kerri Strug was the best gymnast-in practice. She would make mistakes-somewhere-at every meet. If she ever developed that killer, competitive, instinct, it was in Atlanta. I felt for her that her injury in team finals kept her out of the AA berth she earned there.
I am wondering if they aired the event finals. I think it is possible they did not because some of the stars - Miller, Phelps, Moceanu, and Borden (the top 4 from the all around) pulled out of event finals. I also wonder if this is why they did away with an event finals day. I know they did one in 1999 then got rid of it again. Maybe they changed the format because post 1997 there were no compulsories, so there were two days of optional routines and they felt no need for a third day of optionals with event finals.
Love Shannon, been listening to her book in Audible (wish it was her reading it but it’s cool) definitely recommend it. very inspiring. I hadn’t known of some of the struggles she dealt with. Such a hard worker.
John Tesh was such a himbo. I love how he repeats stories from the 92 games that he spouted off time and again. Too bad they didn't give Phelps decent choreography. I don't think they really showcased her talent.
I remember when this first aired I totally didn't get what John meant by 'Dominique was missing everything'. I just didn't understand he meant she was missing her skills lol. So I thought he meant she was missing things, like her gym bag or grips haha
@kras118 - what a great read that was; how great to go from totally calm to laughing hysterically. Granted before reading what you thought he meant I thought you were maybe thinking he meant things like home, friends, family, etc.
It's hard to watch with the media trying to prop up Moceaneu to be the next Nadia. I clearly remember the hype when she was coming up in the 90s. She was never able to live up to that expectation and it's a lot of pressure to put on someone.
JC PHELPS, was really lucky back then to have that close friend ship with Amanda and that wonderful coach, who knew what kind of talent that she was dealing with here, JC Phelps was the one who set the stage for the Olympic team after her bar routine
I wonder what Amanda was saying to herself right before she got on the beam. Maybe an affirmation. I'd like to add I absolutely did back then and still now love Shannon Miller and Dominique Dawes they were the best in my eyes! Amanda was someone no one should sleep on she was perfect for a team captain for the Olympics.
Miller had the best floor, best vault, best bars. Best optionals.She did faulted on beam. She has scored 9.12 , 9.875, 9.90 in the past on the beam. She was deducted fairly on beam. She should have n did win. Her vault was beautiful as was the floor
She didn't have the best bars. Dawes did and was scored as such with the highest score. Miller was overscored on vault, floor and beam all. Jaycie definitely should have won.
This is really sad for Moceanu and all of the stuff she had to go through. Plus she was only 14 and had gotten so much criticism for ‘not doing well’ which is ridiculous! She was extremely stressed and young with a terrible human being of a coach. I feel for her. She may not have done extremely well in her competitions, but that’s most likely due to age and her support. Whenever she didn’t do great her coach told her how awful she was instead of how well she covered up her mistakes. It’s very sad. GO DOMINIQUE MOCEANU!!
It's called criticism. If you never have someone telling you that you did bad or what you did bad you'd never improve. She has thick skin unlike seemingly EVERYONE now which is why she has her gold medal.
The judges wanted to make sure Jaycie did not win the All Around since she was a "no name" and that would have hurt the teams reputation going into the Games if a no name won the US All Around. I doubt they win Team gold if Jaycie won the All Around at US Nationals.
I hate how they had the coaches mic'd. The network coverage never let the athletics of these girls shine alone. They always had to be treated like interchangeable bit players in the coaches drama. Especially when it came to Bela. The network used to hype him like crazy. If one of the girls had the performance of a lifetime they would take the camera off of her to get Bela's reaction instead. Watching these old competitions is triggering me.
Moceanu says that a culture that allowed such abuses to persist opened the door for someone like Nassar to prey on young women. Nassar, she says, “knew of the verbal, psychological, emotional abuses that the Károlyis were doing to the athletes. And he chose to exploit it for his personal pleasure.”
I followed gymnastics religiously in the 90's, but I never saw this competition until I just stumbled upon it today on RU-vid. I remember thinking Shannon Miller and Jaycie Phelps were so boring in the Olympics, and I didn't really respect them since they weren't coached by Bela Karolyi. How stupid I was. I loved learning about Jaycie's family's story, and I loved seeing the interaction between Shannon and Steve Nuno. I feel nothing but pity for Dominique Moceanu as I watch this, and I have little to no respect for Karolyi and the way he is speaking to her. Knowing what we know now about USAG, it is almost painful to watch him with Dominique and Keri. Very interesting comment about Kristy Powell (who I never even heard of before finding this video) wanting to leave the Karolyi's for a different coaching style. She may not have enjoyed international notoriety, but she clearly dodged a bullet back then.
She team didn't really need help on beam as they had an amazing beam team already, and an even more amazing bars team. Where they needed help was vault and to a minor degree floor. As she did not offer that, she was of no use to the team. I do like her beam a lot though.
Seeing Dominique Moceanu makes me want to weep. I will always wonder who she could have been if she had not been pushed to be the best at 14. Her face when she came off beam. I can’t imagine how much her leg hurt! When she did that element and came down and Elfie was like a little pause there, all I could think was poor girl must be in pain.
Thank god the velvet/velour leos went the way of the dinosaurs. I graduated high school in 1997 and my competition leotards were the same nasty velvety stuff. Yuck! I like today's shiny ones so much better... then again, 15 years from now they'll be making fun of those.
Egads! Ancient compared to gymnastics almost a quarter century later. Having said that, that's pretty neat how they go from low bar to high. Elfi was the dominant twist by twist announcer and Tim was almost silent. Now it's completely reversed. Elfi was replaced by Nastia, Al Trautwig replaced by Terry Gannon, and Mr. Gymnastics 101 has found his niche in life.
I love how Shannon Miller is so controlled even when she makes an error. On the punch front on beam she kicks her leg up to regain her balance and her leg was straight with pointed toes, lol. That said, 9.300 is an impossible score for that routine considering the punch front, the fall, and the shuffle on the landing. I think the title should have gone to Jaycie Phelps.
Jaycie was totally robbed. As you mentioned 9.3 on beam was an outright impossible score for Miller, just crazy. And after that they overscored Miller on every remaining event, and underscored Jaycie on all her remaining events (especialy vault and beam) to ensure Miller winning.
Honestly, the way they did deductions, 0.5 for the fall, 0.1 for the bobble on the punch front, 0.1 for the bobble on the handstand skill, so 0.7 in deductions, assuming she was working out of a 10.0 (I imagine she was), you get 9.3. Now, I don't necessarily agree, but we all know that there are a LOT of things in these routines that modern day judges would tear apart, but in the old 10.0 days there are a lot of things that seem to slide-- toe point issues, piked hips that should be open, cowboying........
@@JennaLeigh I mean we know for a fact without the handstand issue and punch front wobble she still wouldn't get a 10 or probably even a 9.9. She had several perfectly hit routines at the Olympics and never went higher than 9.862. And the punch front is clearly more than .1 anyway. There is no defense of the 9.3. The judges knew they had to fudge the scores of Miller or Moceanu once they both made major mistakes, since Phelps winning Nationals would have been disaester for the U.S image. I doubt they even win Team gold in Atlanta anymore so I get why they purposely fucked Phelps out of winning by underscoring all her last 3 routines, and bloating all of Shannon's scores once Moceanu, Dawes, Strug were even further back, but it was still wrong morally. Notice too how Phelps got only a 9.75 on beam when it was the exact same routine she did in qualifying at event worlds and got a 9.85 minus not doing the 3 layouts but that shouldn't matter since her routine was easily out of 10 anyway. I bet if Miller was way out in front she gets a 9.85 just like worlds mysteriously rather than 9.75, LOL!
I go back and forth with this scoring. At first, I thought Miller was overscored on floor, but then after Dominique M and Strug scored 9.8 and higher with those awkward landings...ugh. I can't decide. Wouldn't have scored Miller's beam over a 9.1. Phelps vaults...lots of deductions.
Dominique Moceanu may be the most over-hyped gymnast in American history. Her movements often seemed forced and labored instead of graceful and artistic. Then, there's that awkward choreography on the floor routine. I don't get her appeal. Dawes, Miller, and a few others are legit though.
A pak salto lands in a handstand? Since when? And how? Elfie cannot seriously be combining the pak salto and cast to handstand into one large skill and claiming that technically one lands in a handstand from pak salto.
lot's of future names in Olympics and college at this thing too that you never see but you hear their names every now and then on the P.A. system in the background like Bhardwaj, Krisitin Maloney, Kulikowski, Andree Pickens and Shannon Bowles.
I had classes with Andree Pickens in high school. She was gone a lot from traveling to international competitions. She was also in the movie stick it with Bhardwaj.
No unfortunately it wasn't. Most of the top athletes from the all around withdrew from the event finals which is probably why they didn't show it. Likely to stay healthy and focused on trials/Olympics.
@@JennaLeigh Nunno and Mary Lee Tracy are the epitome of positivity! Much like yours truly. I have many favorite women, but I’ll keep it short. Growing up, my crushes were Dominique Dawes and Amanda Borden😍🥰😘👊🏾💍🌹
Every time I hear Bela grandstanding, it’s like nails on a chalkboard. He loves to take credit for his gymnasts accomplishments but took no responsibility for Nassar’s abuse. This clown and his hag wife are disgusting and hope they get sued
I feel as though both female ice skating and female artistic gymnastics have followed the same trajectory-the sacrifice of artistic merit and true variety over technical skill and unbelievable feats of athleticism. As a result, finding actual artists in the two sports has become more and more of a rarity, with only a handful of women actually being able to perform well in competition. While both of these parts of a performance have their place, I see less and less reason to watch either sport when it will be the same story time and time again-the same routine to beat some insurmountable number, instead of an actual performance. It sucks.
I wonder did Dr Nasser have something to do with Dominique Dawes crying all day. She looked so sad!! She must’ve realized that she didn’t want him to hurt her career anymore!!
Shannon had a broken wrist in Atlanta and still managed to be the best US gymnast. How is Shannon too old but Dawes who is older has a focus issue? Shannon was a better gymnast and she proved it time and time again but usa-gym still treats her like second class
NoneYour Bizness Becus Dawes consistently stepped on her own feet, but anyone w an objective view of the sport knew that she had been a better gymnast than Miller from 94 on! Shannon had amazing drive and competitiveness, but if you could get her and Dawes to both hit on the same day, we know who'd win.
U know good n damn well that Shannon was the best in 92 n 93, n that was her peak. By 94 it was over. Dawes was flat out a much better package gymnast than Shannon. Shannon was great, but I cant respect ppl who are delusional abt their favs. Theyre over it 20 yrs later, u should be too
Not Saying lmao stop it Dawes only lost to Shannon when she herself, made mistakes. No fall on floor in 96 she’s AA champ. Stop it. Shannon scores were notoriously inflated.
+Doug Metris Right and Dominique Moceanu missing a skill and getting a 9.7 would have happened? This is Nationals everyone was overscored compared to a world competition. Dawes compulsories scores would have taken her out of the AA if she competed them at the Olympics.
+Doug Metris Why are you comparing the Olympics to a National competition because I must have missed that 9.9 floor and bars routine Dawes got in ATlanta. Compulsoies mattered and Miller owned every US gymnast on them and should have been way ahead of Phelps who had mistakes on beam and bars and floor. I was there