Round 2 of the Turkey Ammo Review Series. 20 Gauge edition! Apex Ammunition vs Federal Heavyweight. Indian Creek and Primos Tight Wad Choke Tubes! #TurkeyAmmo #Apex #Federal #Turkeychoke #Pattern #TurkeyHunting #TheNaturalCalling
I love my 20g 870. My first gun too, and still my main shooter. Been shooting it for 24 years. My mom shot her first long beard opening day this year. A mile in on public land at that.
My very first gun was also a 870 youth model 20 gauge, I got my first turkey and deer with it, after years of not using it last year I dedicated it as a turkey gun, got a Remington thumb hole pistol grip style stock from midway USA and a fairly cheap sight mark sight and what a great turkey gun, light and great to hunt with, right now I have an H.S strut undertaker extra full choke and use long beard Xr #6s very consistent out to 45-50, going to try the tss before this season side by side, thanks for a great video
The IC .555 will normally throw a hot core and a .562-.575 will throw great hunting patterns. Running an undertaker .575 with the apex GT-20 and rolled one at 47 steps last weekend.
My first "turkey gun" was a remington 1100 20 gauge my grandfather bought after the war. To this day I've never taken a Turkey with it, moved on to a 12 too soon. Hoping to change that next season
What an Excellent video! Goes to show you a 20ga is all you need and those patterns are insane! I definitely need to try those in my Mossberg 500 20ga equipped with a Indian creek choke!
Another excellent video. As tight as that is out there, at 20 yds that makes me a little nervous for my daughter's shooting that round. The Winchester long beard XR performs great, but I've never seen nothing like that out of a 20 gauge. Federal has definitely raised the bar.
@@4gauge10 That is great. However I don't believe it would have the knockdown power or kinetic energy at 40 yd that the Winchester long beard XR would. As my dad always says, if it aint broke don't fix it. Good luck this season.
@@4gauge10 Maybe the gun that you shoot but I hit way more beads on the target at 40 yd then that period it doesn't matter if it is one pellet or 50 pellets that impact the target. Heavier than lead shot is heavier than lead shot. How hard is that for you to understand. As I said earlier good luck to you this season.😂🤣😉
@@4gauge10 good for you baby boy. I think you are full of crap... so full that its causing you to have diarrhea of the mouth. You obviously have an axe to grind so go to it. All statistics prove you to be wrong so ....again good luck this season. 😘😘😘
@@4gauge10 Well sir I've been Turkey hunting for 32 years and I can tell you this much. It may only take 12 beads to kill A Turkey but if you know anything about hunting as you say you do you realize that the more shot you have down range the higher percentage you have of killing a Turkey But again maybe that is too simple for you to understand. Keep on Working on that axe and maybe you will get something accomplished.
Very good 20 gauge patterns. I have tried the Federal TSS #9 in 3" 12 gauge out of my Winchester SXP with a pistol grip stock, 18" barrel, Carlson's TSS choke and the pattern was impressive. That load in the SXP hurts my hand it kicks so hard, the hand takes more of the recoil with the pistol grip stock than the shoulder.
I forgot the bore snake at the house unfortunately, but I did have some patches that I ran through it several times. Also the gun barrel had just been freshly polished. Hope this helps!
Primos Tight Wad has always shot great for me, and is the best bang for the buck choke. Put some adjustable sights on and the BDS choke will be ridiculous.
Nice video but I'll stick to using my Remington SP10, 10ga with Federal Flite Control Mag Shok #5's & my Primo's JellyHead Choke tube.. It's absolutely lights out deadly on turkeys..
You have applied by Wolfram but you neutralize him radioactivity, because the half-life is quite a lot? Even the ore from which tungsten is obtained radioactive. Famous American producer of ammunition of radioactive tungsten Barnes ceased to produce bullet Barnes MRX (maximum range X), which has a perfect penetration, because it contains a core of tungsten.
Almost makes me feel like I need my two 870's in 20ga. in the blind with different chokes.. It is 2020 now and Fed Hvywt. 20ga #9 is sold out everywhere it was less expensive.. As a backup I bought some #7.. I just need to do ranging patterns and use my rangefinder.. Last year I did a good kill at a long range and almost blew it because the shot pattern dropped just like a rifle .. I'll place decoys at 20, 30,40, and no further. The pattern is so tight I really need to practice. Two turkeys per season and fuel,license,lodging, property lease, food and time makes ammo costs negligible.
Sandy. . my buddy does custom gun work on trukey guns I help him sometimes I shoot a rhino there is a way to pattern this TSS or Magnum blend and you only have to shoot one of the high $$$$ shell.
Know it doesnt apply to the pump your using. However for those that use semiautos fair warning, those 3" federal heavyweight tss shells will hangup in a heartbeat in a franchi affinity 3 20ga. The 3" federal shell is longer than the 3" apex shell. While both pattern fantastically, you don't want to have to make a followup shot on a bird and find out the federal shell failed to cycle.
Only thing that sucks is you can’t try the chokes before you buy them....I like that Indian creek though. May have to give one a try...anyone else had good luck with those ?
If you put the apex shell beside the federal, is the apex shorter?... I’m having trouble cycling the 3 in federal tss shells because they are a tad longer than other 3in shells... franchi affinity is my gun.
Honestly the Federal is junk compared to APEX, Pendleton Ammo TSS, or other handloaded shells. No joke. We chronographed the Federal loads at 200+ FPS slower than the box advertised. And the next shell would be 100 FPS faster, then slower again. And the patterns were inconsistent because the velocity was inconsistent.
Yes sir. There is a video link at the end of this video that will take you right to the Longbeard XR review. Or you can also find it on the channel. Its the most recent video uploaded right now.
How was your pattern with the ORIGINAL Federal Heavyweight compared to the TSS (any brand) is the pattern that much better with the TSS to compensate for the cost difference?
Patterns were always good with the old Fed HvyWght 7s. The new TSS hits even harder and the pattern is quite a bit more dense due to the drop in shot size. As far as justifying the price, I may not be able to answer that for you. All I can give you is my opinion, and I believe they are indeed worth it. Shoot what patterns good for you and what works with your budget and what you have confidence in.
What I find hilarious is everybody that's out here buying the super high dollar shells when promo loads work equally as well with ALOT less recoil and cheaper to shoot and make a lot less noise and then the big 3-inch or 3.5(12/10 gauge magnums) magnums when discharged.
Never shot a turkey over 30 yds i use a standard full or extra full in my 20ga full 12 ga extra full. 20ga 2 3/4 magnum load #4 or 6 12 2 3/4 pheasant loads #6 all I need the key is the caller.
@@Mississippi72 what's funny is that DNR throughout the United States will not allow you to hunt with any shot sizes heavier than number 4's,so it doesn't make any difference what kind of TSS shell that you're using,heavy shot or whatever it is,it cannot weigh more than number 4 lead,so therefore maximum effective killing range of any shotgun gauge,doesn't make any difference what it is,10 gauge all the way down to .410,is about between 50 and 55 yards absolute maximum.
Which state?. I've looked up nearly all 50 states through the years none of them allowing number 2 Shot to be used. Unless this is something brand-new it just came out.
BMK yea I’ve actually just started turkey hunting with my .308 to save on ammo costs. Plus you don’t have to work as hard calling. My .308 puts up a nice sub MOA pattern too
TheNaturalCalling how does the tightwad choke with federal tss 9 do at 20 yards? More open than the Indian creek? I’m looking for a little more wiggle room at 20 than you’re getting with the IC. Thanks for the videos!
Good ol fashion # 6 worked good for along time,just ask the ol timers with their double barrels.old school Turkey hunters.Look at what Will Primos is using....a 28 gauge double barrel.I just like old school ways of hunting.
I've always told anyone if you're shooting tight chokes when they're less than 20 yards aim at the base of the neck where the feathers meet his head. If you pull a little high like a lot of people do, you still kill him, and if you're dead on, the impact will snap his neck instantly. If you aim at his head and pull when using a .555 choke at 15-20 yards you miss that bird all day. I prefer like you do, a nice open pattern at 40 yards so i know if he walks into 20 yards I can still kill that bird and not have to be annie oakley to kill a turkey at 20 yards. anything beyond 45 yards in my book ain't turkey hunting and is very unethical b/c your chances of wounding that bird or killing the hen 2 feet to the right of him increases drastically. Idc what people say about their gun, and they can do whatever they want but for me 45 yards and in is my go to. I'd rather not wound a tom who could breed 20 hens than take the chance at 50 yards.
A piece of a advice from someone who has been shooting TSS for years before it was available in factory ammo....TSS patterns SIGNIFICANTLY tighter than anything you have seen before. You don't need "turkey" chokes with TSS unless you plan on taking 60+ yard shots. And yes, with TSS and a good turkey choke you can absolutely kill turkeys at 60+ yards with a 20ga. I have seen it with my own eyes several times. The problem with that setup is what you have seen here: an insanely tight pattern up close. A pattern that has resulted in many missed birds and frustrated and embarrassed hunters when the bird sneaks up on you and he's standing there at 15 yards. You have a slug gun at that range. If you hit him you will demolish him but it's easier to miss than you think. Long story short if you are happy with 50 yard effectiveness go grab that old cheap standard "full" choke that came with your shotgun and give it a try with TSS, you might be happily surprised and still stand a good chance of hitting that tom at 20yds as well as killing him at 50. And remember, those dense patterns might be great for bragging rights but it really only takes one pellet to the brain or neck to kill the bird, if you've got 5+ in the vitals at 50 its all you need. good hunting!
@@spyderxtra777 a fucking field load 7 1/2 at 15-20 yards well shoot about 3-4 inch circle it's still so tight at that fucking distsance it doesn't matter what fucking load it is or choke unless you're shooting cylinder bore. An your right TSS is like nothing you have seen before an your right again you can damn sure kill a trukey out at 60 with a 20ga an TSS an one plett in the brain will kill him but he can fly a little bit or run for a short distance before he dies .. seen it with my own eyes with clients I was taken hunting.if a gun is only putting 5 pellets in the vitals at 50 yards then that gun needs some changes in the choke or loads ..an my good friend that has several connections an knows several reps was shooting TSS way before it hit the market ....
Hands down the federal load was better than the Apex load hands down it was better in both chocks there's really no decision there and I don't know why you're having such a hard time does siding this the federal load was clearly the winner and I'm sure it doesn't cost as much
60$ for a box of shells, you might as well put an optic on that gun. The first pattern was devastating. Move that pattern right 4 inches, wow 70 yard gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now that's the problem you have with these new shells and tight chokes,if that Turkey isn't standing completely still like that target at 20 yds you gonna flat out miss him.people are trying to see how far they can wound them instead of trying to call them in close enough to actually kill em!
Ridiculousness ? To say a .410 can hold par with a 12ga. because of ammo is ridiculous. You shouldn't tell lies like that. So, if I have a 12ga. and I use TSS ammo that means my gun is up to par with a 8ga. right? Totally Ridiculous ? A .410 is a short range gun, nothing more. I had a buddy that hunted with me with a .410 for rabbits, I had a 20ga. He got tired of the rabbits running away with his pellets and bought a 20ga. He bagged way more rabbits with his 20ga. than that .410 ever did. So, to kill a turkey with a .410 you must be real close or plan on shooting them more than once. You can forget about shooting turkeys that hold up on you beyond 40 yards. Even at 40 yards you would still need the magic BB to get one with 1 shot? I would be nervous? 30 yards or less and being still no problem. .410's are great guns for kids and beginners at close range. That's why they make good guns for home defense, close range and hardly any kick. Ammo and gun costs just as much as a 20ga. and 12ga. ? They never used to be, they were always cheaper until the name home defense?
Tss... allows a 410, or any sub gauge shotgun to hold par with a 12 ga Lead** turkey load. OBVIOUSLY, a 12 ga is superior if it's a level playing field. A 410 shotgun loaded with 18g cc tungsten will be just as deadly as a 12 ga standard lead load at 40 yds and in. Period.
A rabbit hunting story is completely irrelevant here. TSS is a totally different animal than a lead rabbit load. Higher pellet count (#9) shot provides dense patterns and far FAR more penetration than a 410 lead load. That's the beauty of tungsten.
@@danielwagner6290 "Rediculous on turkeys" .... if that's your opinion that's fine. However, I could just as easily say you toting around around a much heavier and much harder recoiling gun all day when you dont have to is "rediculous". But, if you want to talk about physical science and FACTS then you will aknowledge a .410 shotgun is now a viable option for turkey hunters nowdays because of tss. This is good news for new/young hunters or anyone who wants a lighter option than toting around 12 ga or an "8 ga" as you mentioned earlier (wow). As for cost, with as much as I pay for licenses, and gas and all of my out of state expenses, ammo is the least expensive part of the hunt. Do some more homework and educate yourself on tss before you get on here saying I'm telling lies to people. You dont have to shoot it and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Its technology you can either accept it and use it to your advantage or stay in the dark and ignorantly call people liars on youtube. Lol
