And let us not forget Dumah - he was 'slain' centuries before Raziel returned, and so he was far less mutated than his brethren, as he had spent those centuries in the spiritual realm as a Wraith.
@wayne62682 nonono. Turel was brought by Lady Azimuth the Planer, Matriarch of Avernus and Guardian of the Pillar of Dimension. Just like Kain mentions back in Blood Omen 1, she liked to summon exotic creatures not only from other dimensions, but from other times too. And what's possesing Turel is three different Hylden, that managed to enter Nosgoth using Turel as a "durable vessel". The Hylden Lord was currently inside Mortanius.
I always got the feeling that Raziel and Turel were probably close. Even in Soul Reaver 1, he seems to take a more pitying stance to killing Morlock (the Turellim you get the force push from), and there is a deleted scene where Raziel says "Let me pass, Turel. I have enough blood on my hands today." In the scene, he pleads with Turel to let him pass so he doesn't have to kill him.
I mean usually siblings close in age are the tightest and seeing as they’re the oldest it’d make sense but interesting considering titles the one who casted him in to the abyss
Well at this point he's no longer seething with righteous fury against all vampirekind anymore, which was the primary reason he murdered his other siblings. This Raziel might not have been so quick to kill them.
for me this is so sad, like Turel is just a prisoner forever, like it seemed to actually see and hear raziel made him happy, as he doesnt even want to fight raziel till he is possessed
After the Hylden take control of Turel, he seems to momentarily forget who Raziel is (and the fact that he's bloodless) and goes after him in a desperate attempt to strengthen himself. And after he dies, he seems to ask Raziel to end his torment in more or less the manner Melchiah did.
5:02 "No more questions, no more worship. Time to run. Time to scream. Time...to diiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeee." That is my favorite line in the entire series xD
Technically, there was no vamprism xD They were Vampires to begin with. They cursed them with the blood thirst, sterility and immortality. Damn powerful curse, that.
Huh. I didn't get the feeling that he ever liked Malchiah. After he discovered that it was Malchiah he was talking to, he seemed even MORE revolted to me. XD Rahab he seemed more or less interested in the fact he just learned they were once Sarafan, too. Only with Turel is there any real shred of regret for having to kill a brother, in my opinion.
GEhotpants101 what's interesting is that in the cut dialog between Raziel and Turel in Soul Reaver, Raziel expresses regret at killing his brothers and how he'd rather not have to kill Turel. Interesting to see how they seemed to carry that over, if even only subtley.
Nosgoth lore states that only Rahab actually regretted Raziel demise, but did nothing about that anyway. Turel and Dumah never doubted Kain's order and Zephon\Melchiah were too busy squabbling over Razielim' riches.
@dskull2000 Yes, and if you played the games, Kain would never really transform because he was pure. He was resurrected by the Necromancer Mortanius who used the very heart of Janos Audron, the oldest vampire ever. That and the fact that he was the Scion of Balance. I don't know what would've happened to Raziel, but he might have been the most advanced since he had past up the others in evolution and he was the first born. The thing is, that as Kain created more "offspring," the weaker they got.
he didn't kill turel...turel was posesed by the hylden, and when turel came to the end of his stringht, they left his body and killed him. You don't see raziel kill turel, u just see spirits talk and leave his body, and enter raziels(look at his eyes)...
He was the Hylden champion in that he resurrected Janos, which would (without Kain's intervention) have heralded the revenge of the Hylden race. He enabled their potential victory.
@dskull2000 Kain's "children" inherited his taint when they were made, and this "copy" of it caused their de-evolutions into the creatures Raziel kills. Thankfully for Raziel, he was cast into the Abyss and "killed" before the transformation could overcome him - otherwise he'd have turned out like the rest.
I dont quite think so... I think that Raziel had already evolved by the time he was thrown into the abyss... remember? The wings... Kain threw him in on a jealous whim... Raziel was first born of his brethren thats why he was the first emerged with a gift... though his bretheren received the gift too but not quite how they would have imagine it...
@@DoggyTVSVK You Should at least the Game- It wasn't Jealously that Made Kain did what he did- He basically turn Raziel into the coin that landed on its Edge....Soul Reaver 2....After All even in Part one Kain knew he would return......
@@DoggyTVSVK Apologies, was rushing when I Posted. You would have to play Both Soul Reavers to truly understand. Kain tried to change the future once, which created a Paradox and made things even worst. Raziel being the First Son and His Best Warrior became his Ace, Raziel can't be A Vampire or Human to do what's needed, hence the throwing him into the Abyss where he became a Wraith.Go play the games along with Blood Omen- Everyone including Kain has Spy Camera call Fate watching their actions and know what they will do, Raziel doesn't, he can change his faith on a whim.
Yes we do - look again. When Raziel walks towards his own crypt, it shows a view from in front of him, with him walking towards the camera and the camera pointed at the door - to the left of the door is Turel's crypt.
The Hylden were an ancient race who battled the Ancients (blue skin with wings) but were defeated. The Ancients then banished them to the demon realm but just before that the Hylden cursed them with vampirism.
Raziel was killed before the corruption could change him as it did the others. We can assume that if he had not been thrown into the abyss, he would have become horribly mutated, too.
When i watched this and realized what it meant it sent shivers down my spine, i remember a level on Blood Omen 1 where you fight your way through Avernus Cathedral as Kain, such an epic story.
@Scorpino123 The cultists in the Avernus Cathedral summoned him from the future, thinking him their god. They don't know he's in the future, but there's a hidden room in Avernus in Blood Omen 1 that lets you go down to the underbelly and read about this in a few books and runes there.
Truly the greatest acting in a game series, ever. LoK had amazing talent on it's side, something that most games are only now starting to have more and more.
Yes - enhanced telekinesis. Until he takes down Turel, he's unable to do any more with his TK then he could previously with the Reaver Bolt. Afterwards, his is as fully functional as Kain's.
He gains the mind blast / reaver bolt from the Turelim - but it's just that, a bolt. After he takes down Turel, he can actually manipulate objects beyond just smacking them, which he couldn't do before. (example: picking up, holding, and throwing enemies)
My favorite brother, even though he only had a short moment in the game, was Rahab. I even have his Clan symbol on my shoulder blade. I've always been close to the water.. and something about him attracted me. So, I've stuck with it ever since. XD
It's explained at the start of Soul Reaver that the Vampires created by Kain experience mutations as they age. These Vampires have been alive for thousands of years when Raziel fights them, so they've been mutating for a very long time.
Raziel is indeed possessed by the Hylden, but not in the way in which Mortainius and Janos were. He was not possessed by one great spirit, but by many weak ones when he killed Turel. That is why, when the moment of the battle between Kain and him, he could not reason properly and just fought senselessly till he "killed" Kain. The Hylden made his anger impossible to bare for him. He said it when he sent Kain trough the portal, that something in that place made his anger even stronger. D.R.
I didn't mind Mortanius having a different voice actor, but his design here doesn't match his Blood Omen 1 appearance. He looked more intimidating in that game.
Believe or not, Turel was voiced by Greg Burger. He's more famous for doing the voices of "The Pain" in Metal Gear Solid 3 and "Jecht" in Final Fantasy X.
raziel was just suprised to see turel there, but he DID want to kill him, just like he did the rest of his brothers. especially since turel was one of his brothers that bore him into the abyss
i remember that bit, me an my brother couldnt help laugh cos it was like: raziel casually taking spikes out duma's body and when he gets up it was more or less like "Oh no u dont" and goodbye Duma
He gives Raziel the ability to use telekinesis. (Previously he is only able to blast enemies such as the Reaver Bolt provided, after this encounter he can pick them up, hold them, and throw them around like Kain can.)
After reading about and fighting Hash'Ak'Gik in Blood Omen, and hearing rumors throughout the other games, it was really amazing to finally see him. That amazement was only compounded by the fact that he was 'the one that got away,' last of Raziel's brothers. I felt sorry for Turel, but not enough so to let such a great game go to waste. Thanks for uploading this video. It brings back great memories.
Hash'Ak'Gik is the sarafan lord (Leader/General of the hylden race), who at the time was possesing Mortanius. He is also the black creature from BO1. What possesed turel were numerous other hylden.
That aside, he DID have a sign of the corruption, first of all off them. The wings he grew that got him thrown into the Abyss in the first place were *HYLDEN* wings! As for what mutated and mutilated the Sarafan Vampires--Raziel and his brethren--Kain, in Legacy of Kain 2, drank the blood of the last living Hylden in the Eternal Prison, and that allowed the Hylden to steadily influence every vampire Kain sired after that point.
the Wings were a tell that kain picked up on since he had seen all the imagery the reason why all vampires Kain sired ended up corrupted was because of Nuprator madness infecting all of the guardians(and Kain a s the newly appointed Scion of balance as Nuprator went apeshit after finding Ariel's Body)
The difference is that now Kain is uncorrupted and has knowledge about the elder god and his schemes. What would come after Defiance is BO2 but with a wiser Kain.
All of Raziels brothers have evolved to a form of giant hideous creatures. And the funny thing is that Raziel was the one that came to evolve first and the one that had been punished for his development. Most of them think that they are even more powerfull then Kain. But after all he is unsuppasable.
@Throrine Actually, Azimuth the human Guardian of the Pillar of Dimension summoned Turel from the future (The Soul Reaver 1 era) using the time streaming device that she stole from Moebius.
Actually Raziel is the redeemer and the destroyer for BOTH species. Both sides predicted that each would have a champion and that the champion would have an nemesis on the opposing side. What they didn't foresee was that the champion and the champion's enemy were the same being. Raziel's free will means he could have potentially 'redeemed' the Hylden by allowing them to emerge fully into Nosgoth and in so doing 'destroyed' the Vampires.
If Turel was there, that should mean Raziel was in the time after the pillars were corrupted...But he is in fact, was before that time....so it dosent make sense, unless Turel traveled back in time or something
So basically a summary of what Raziel's brethren turned into were: a giant pile of flesh, a large lizard, a fish, a building sized spider and a large...wolf...interesting...wonder what Raziel's clan would have turned into had he not been thrown into the abyss. Thanks for putting this up.
well melchiah i feel he felt sorry for what he had become, though most brothers had gifts, melchaih looked lesser than what he was and i think Rahab new tha truth, which raziel learns of after he murders his sarafan brothers as humans. If i was raziel personally though, i would of left every brother alone if possible, they are such a dying breed, on soul reaver 1 it was so sad for me like killing legends especially rahab and dumah, as they are my favs :D
I do question the idea that Raziel would've killed him had Turel not lost his grip on himself. You can see he smells that Raziel has no blood in the beginning (because he's a wraith), and he makes no move to attack Raziel during their conversation. Also, notice that Raziel puts the reaver away -- I think his desire for vengeance had cooled somewhat by then, especially given the gravity of the whole Hylden situation.
I have a theory, Kain may have saw the original version of the events of SR1 played out at the Chronoplast (as in everything that was cut in the final game) and he purposely sent Turel to the past to prevent it.
@SergioSource well I did read in a magazine article from Game Informer: They were discussing the flow of remakes for the new systems, from devil may cry's reboot to a handful of others... They discussed a top 10 list choice of games that "Should" in all fairness get a crack at the new hardware we got cooking... and Legacy of Kain, was # 5. Personally with that in mind, I think a nice re-vamp of Soul Reaver, or a fresh Blood Omen RPG style game, OH those would be off the chain for sales for sure!
The events of *Soul Reaver 2* were caused by interference by Moebius. The paradox resolving itself echoed throughout history, resulting in the more complete Shrines and the changes in prophecy that led to the events of Defiance. If Eidos ever makes the final movement in the tragedy of Nosgoth, I would imagine that wielding Raziel and having devoured Moebius will make Kain immune to paradoxical backlash, allowing him to finish the Elder Thing once and for all.
@jakespnl463 He's not blind but he IS partially sighted (as confirmed in Prima's official guide). His sight was failing while his other senses got stronger (kinda like how Rahab gained a resistance to water at the cost of becoming vulnerable to sunlight), probably cause he's been in the dark so long.
So the gist of this, I believe, is that Turel's body is possessed by the Hylden Lord (green glowy eyes, changed voice), and the Hylden Lord is who summoned Turel from presumably the original Soul Reaver timeline (hence why he's not in that game).
@LordAKiraAndou "To the past", "From the future" - same thing, really. To Turel, they summoned him to the past. To the cultists, they summoned him from the future.
Exactly right. They didn't reveal themselves, rather inflaming his anger and making sure that anything Kain said would be taken the wrong way. That the Hylden were influencing and empowering Raziel was made clear when he cast Kain into the exile-realm the Hylden had been shunted into. It had to move then, inhabiting the Heart of Darkness--Janos Aldrin's heart--so that he would be possessed from the moment he was revived. Is it any wonder Janos was suicidal when he was restored in BO 2??
@Joudas If i remember correctly it was Azimuth (guardian of dimensions) who summoned Turel.... aka she broke into Moebius's time streaming portal and took him from his time.
I think if there'll be a new game to the series, it could explore the history of the Hylden. I realized that "blood" omen goes to Kain as main character, "soul" reaver goes to Raziel as main character. So maybe a title about "posession"-something to set the hylden lord as the main character. the plot could start with him still in hell, and then he escaping thru a portal after the corruption of the pillars. the time when he takes the body of William the Just (I think) and refound the Sarafan clan
in BO2, the hylden lord had ethier reclaimed his original body from the hylden prison/dimention, or made himself a new hylden body.this would have been right after he put janos (who he possesed at the end of defiance) into his prison to power the "device".
Gregg Berger voiced Turel. He also played Jecht in Final Fantasy X, Ripto and Hunter in the Spyro the Dragon Series and Captain Blue in the Viewtiful Joe series.
