2012 Tesla Model S - Jay Leno's Garage 

+798unionpipeliner Yeah why don't they just give us the car for free?

+Emil Johnsen i just wish it was more affordable!! crosing my fingers for the incoming model 3!!!

+john dillenger Same. Let's hope that they make the Model 3 as sexy as the Model S, even at a lower price point.

+James Bong..?

+Dark Matter The 80% available power for consumption is already factored in to the maximum range, you're doing it twice.

Hilmar Kleinschrot How about the BMW i3? Are those popular in Germany?

James Mohler ... Not really ... the car itself looks to strange 😜 And at the same time very expensive 💵

@@jamesparson THE i3 IS A TROLL CAR, NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

@@jamesparson the i3 gets like 80 miles of range while the Model 3 gets 315 for a similar price point.

No other manufacturers come close to Tesla's seven year old modle.

RIGHT? NO SWOOPS OR CREASES OR FAKE GRILLES THAT WILL QUICKLY DATE TODAY'S CARS.

And still does. As of now .

i just bought one in February - a 2014 P85+ - same color and rims as the one here. i'm loving it!

still true in 2023

The hyundai elantra

HE'S ADORABLE.

Vikas V he is very cute I must admit

Instagram @NoGripE90 and you'll hear the quietest gas burnout

+jdac22 Or not heard.

Thomas Christopher White That too...LOL

It's "quietest," as in conjugation.

The excitement is addictive but remember you are putting a lot of stress on the battery pack so cool it and drive it normally and reward your wallet instead!

i was going to say that. i saw the pictures and early reviews and didnt think it to be anything more than average semi-luxury sedan (strictly visually) but i saw one for the first time on the streets a few months ago and it was absolutely beautiful

i agree. THe pictures don't do this car any justice. In real life, its like really really beautiful

Yeah, pictures doesn't do it justice. It looks really well made. Fit and finish is incredible. Granted it is a $100k+ vehicle, but you really see it. Made in the USA. More American at this point than GM/Ford/Chrysler, etc.

Zepper2019 Now starts at $70k :) and model 3 at 39k

Bet you see a lot of them now

+Nice and easy Koenigsegg

+The nextinline thats not exactly a practical car Tesla has the potential of becoming a big brand like Toyota or ford Koenigsegg does not

doesnt matter though... Koenigsegg is still a success story by all standards

I wouldn't call someone or their company a success when they needed multiple taxpayer funded subsidies to stay in business.

did you magically forget about auto industry bailout just few years ago? 10$ billions were never recouped. hows that for subsidies

front end conversion and headlight refresh and it would look like a 2019 model s

The software looks super dated but other than that it looks modern.

People still turn heads after my 2013 P85 even in a country where everyones got em :D Still a great car, great to drive, fast af and good looking. Couldnt ask for more!

alternatively, tesla designs their cars all the same so it's either always modern looking or always looking dated and in perpetual stasis.

It’s pretty much the same lol. The angles of the headlights actually look better on this model in my opinion

srinitaaigaura - both the P100D the S and the X.

He should try the new model S performence 2020 raven with the lunch contorel

He should try the plaid model lol

@@FranklinSpicer he did

No he should try the Plaid

Tacos Mananeros Network there's a huge flaw in there. A backup tank of fossil fuel would ruin this car. You'd need an ICE, an exhaust system, a drive shaft and a gearbox. You'll add a lot of complexity, bulk and cost for what...

Tacos Mananeros Network Yes. Beautiful, don't you think? Small motor yet far more powerful than a 'traditional' ICE. And fast! Boy, this beast is fast!

Tacos Mananeros Network electric cars with backup gas usually end up ruining the car, it sits for a long time and goes bad and the moment that they need they need the backup the bad gas ruins the engine and its a very costly fix, more than a simple toe-truck if there isnt an outlet available. Plus a gasoline engine would make the car much more expensive. Also on average, the Tesla would cost less money a year to recharge than you would pay for gasoline. Drop you fossil fuel safety blanket, this car wont need it, who drives more than 300 miles a day anyway? not the average city commuter.

Mejevoli No hate here. The cost is FAR too high on the Teslas, however. And for now the range is a sticking point since the battery packs cannot be swapped out and if you run the car down to very little, a recharge even with the "Super-charge" station if quite a lot longer than stopping to refill a tank on an I.C.E. car. 40 minutes to get a full charge. So a quick 'pull-in-pull-out' is not possible. Will they overcome this? Who can say. I sure hope so. I would like to see us move off of fossil fuel.

ganzano More like 20 minutes to charge it at a super charge station. We have one in the next town over, I see it pretty frequently and I never see a Telsa there for even a half hour before they drive off. With that twenty minutes or so, you could go to the bathroom, get some water, and relax a bit before you get back on the road, because I dont see someone going over 300 miles a day just driving around town so the super charge station is very useful if your on a road trip or something, which is nice because it forces drivers to take breaks

Oh the naivety. I really wish you were right. In reality what's more likely to happen is people get cosy again paying slightly cheaper gas prices, companies like Tesla go bust because the demand for high price, low range cars trough. In a year or two (after OPEC stops being used as a economic weapon) the oil industry will be back to fucking us in the ass again. At that point electric cars will be back benched again for another decade or more as no one will risk investment. Also, We are not going to "finally beat the big oil system". unfortunately the US economy is intrinsically linked to the oil market, and a failed oil market means a failed economy. non the less, I really want Tesla to succeed as its genuinely a great car.

Dennis Richards Well, that's exactly why we need to keep it first and foremost in the public consciousness that "Efficiency Makes Energy Cheaper." That needs to be on a thousand billboards all across the country. As long as people get that through their heads and keep it there, we stand a chance. But you may be right. Probably. I disagree, though. We need to eventually face the fact that an ever-expanding economy isn't necessarily a good thing. We should be shrinking and concentrating our economy, focusing on buying longer-lasting, higher-quality goods instead of loads of cheap crap. China will always win that game.

Dennis Richards I have to agree with you. Invention and change come from need. Cheap oil will only serve the status quo.

Richard Rowe "Efficiency Makes Energy Cheaper." If we reduce our energy usage, we've got two possible outcomes. They accept that people are using less and pass that loss on to share holders or (more likely) they will keep raising the price to recoup any losses and make more money. "ever-expanding economy isn't necessarily a good thing" I agree its not a good think But it is a necessity using the current economic system unfortunately. Even a static economy is classed as a bad thing because we're all at war (in a financial sense). We are in a perpetual currency arm's race where the victor reward with a powerful exchange rate and defeated and develop a weak currency (it more complicated than that but that's the general trend) standingwave73 I agree keeping the pressure is definitely a driver for more efficient technology but it all comes down to money at the end of the day. In an ideal world they would keep oil prices high and use the profit to invest in science and technology rather than already wealthy shareholders in order to move beyond the oil dependant financial system, but our feudal monetary systems are easily corrupted hence the pan global problems we have today. I could imagine any first world country legislating away any disruptive technology that threaten the status quo. expect to see aggressive legislation against things like cheap home manufacturing (3d printers/CNC machines), home energy generation (hydro wind solar etc), automation, robotics (like drones), water storage and refinement (they say waters is tomorrows oil. . . happy days) free communication (Internet) and anything else that is hard to tax and/or control. most of these technology are already under fire before they get into the mainstream public market so the future doesn't look too bright . . . Come to think of it, I might just be a pessimist.

Low crude prices are by no way impacted by electric cars. ZERO. I've taken a number of graduate-level economic classes and we've discussed the many myths and reasons behind lower prices. I'm all about getting away from gas engines, but lower crude prices have nothing to do with electric vehicles. Theoretically, even if 20% of the USA switched to electric in the next 5 years (impossible), even that wouldn't change the oil market.

Let's not forget,all electric cars are fossil fuel burning cars. The fossil fuels are just burned somewhere else, not in the car. In the US, electricity is generated as follows: Coal 45%, Natural Gas 24%. Coal and natural gas are fossil fuels. Next in line, nuclear generates 20% of the electricity and has it's own issues with the generation of toxic waste. Then, there is the issue of managing the highly toxic batteries for these vehicles as they move through their life cycle. Environmentally friendly? No. They just shift and cloak the environmental effects so they are less visible on a day to day basis. I'd need to see a "cradle to grave" analysis of energy usage and environmental effects before I could say if these vehicles have a smaller impact on the environment than traditional vehicles. I'm guessing they do not.

Darin Pearson I drive an electric vehicle and I see it more as an extended arm ready to shake hands. It says to energy producers "I'm ready, are you?". Besides, I think there's reason to believe electric cars are more environmentally friendly. Fossil fuel motors have maximum energy-efficiency around 40%. Usually you get 30%. Electric motors easily score over 80% of the battery energy converted to kinetic energy. Which I think means that even if all of the energy that electric vehicles use came from dirty sources there'd still be less of an environmental impact than there is today. And when you take into account that part of it comes from renewable energy it's already starting to look much more friendly.

All good points Hannu. The point I'm trying to make is, there are a lot of unanswered questions regarding the aggregate environmental impact on a "cradle to grave" basis which, after all, is the only metric that matters. For example, hypothetically, if an electric car takes 1.5 times the resources to build and dispose of at the end of its life cycle than an equivalent combustion based vehicle, then the resource savings during the e-car's life cycle needs to exceed that extra 0.5 or else one could argue that the e-car is less "environmentally friendly" than the traditional vehicle because it consumes more resources. I realize my example is overly-simplistic and not based on actual data but I am simply trying to point out that, unless we actually know the type and total of the resources consumed over the life cycle of each vehicle, we are only assuming that the e-car is more "environmentally friendly". I would like more information about this but I haven't been able to find it. It's good that there are people like you thinking about these types of issues and willing to offer well reasoned responses to my postulations. Perhaps this will eventually lead to more and better information so we can each make better decisions.

Darin Pearson I totally agree with you. Though I really like electric cars and reallyreallyreally want to own one, anybody who says that e-cars are 100% green doesn't think ahead...or backwards, as you mentioned (actually doesn't think at all) A plus for the electric vehicle would be that an internal combustion engine uses only 30% of its energy to make the car go. An electric motor is way more efficient than that, its at around 90/95% efficiency, but thats again not the whole process. Yes, I also would prefer to have numbers that are really honest and are telling the truth and not just showing the tip of the iceberg but there were companies that have calculated the overall CO2 emission for 100km/60miles. AMG for example said (Chris Harris testing the SLS AMG Electric) that the SLS E would produce something like 20g CO2/km and the fossil version would produce about 300g of CO2 (can't remember the numbers correctly, but something about 1/10 I think) Concerning the energy source (nuclear, cole, solar, wind etc...), the average usage etc... therefore driving electric would still make you more efficient...well the mobility. but as you said, I also havent seen one calculation of the whole process of energy production so its still a complicated. When we take for example the i3, and look at the process of the production of the car we notice that almost only BMW and Tesla have developed a process that actually makes a car greener from the very first screw up to the finished product. BMW has invested something about 3 billion euros to achieve this goal (I will say greener not green. green is pretty relative to what you would expect the world should be like. technology doesn't really allow 100% emission free traffic, but since we are at ...I don't know how efficient a cole plant is, surely not 100%/90%...and maybe not even 80%. and then all the other parts of the process where energy is wasted up to the car where we are at 30% which is pretty bad. so greener than that should easily be possible, but to think that we can achieve 90% the first time we try is a little bit over the tops. anyway, "green" isn't something you can put your finger on. what? greener than now? greener than china? greener than germany? greener than solar panels? ) this car, even if it would produce (looking at the whole process) as much CO2 as other cars, it would still be greener because its production process is environmentally friendly. more friendly than any other car that is produced, in china or where ever it is. If you have a look at VW, they only rip out the engine of the car and put some electricity inside...thats not how we should be doing it, they just don't want to invest to much money, but I say they will lose the game if they wait much longer because they won't have the time to catch up concerning technological know how. Then we have tesla and they are producing in the US which is pretty great so they don't have to fly every part of the car around the world, than in the end it wouldn't matter if it was emission free. Right now they are building a huge batterie factory in the US so they can make their 4th car in mind, the tesla something something (not talking about the Model X, the car after that) They say it will cost less (a lot less) and is aimed at the middle-class, so that more people will be able to buy a decent set of wheels that is probably green. then you mentioned the battery and its production/waste. thats the biggest problem right now. The thing is all cars need batteries, not just electric cars. Obivously its not as big as the one in e cars, but its still a battery that is producing waste. So I know that I don't have all the numbers (or hardly any number) and I don't know how the entire process works and where the pros and cons are but if the energy I'm using primarily comes from regenerative energy sources my e-car (lets take the i3) should probably be greener than most other cars.

Darin Pearson You're right to mention the electricity sources aren't green yet.. but to me I think it just proves we need to improve the way to produce more eco-friendly electricity. Not only for cars, but also for the increase of electric products (tvs, computers, smartphones, tablets, etc...). We should get to a point to only have no more than 20% of electricity produced from fossil. Between Solar, Winds, Water, and Geothermal, there's a lot of way to produce greener electricity. It's not impossible at all, it's just not done yet and will be done sooner or later. And then, the electric cars and bikes would make even way more sense. One another thing that needs to be solved, as mentioned above, is the batteries waste. So we can't say yet it's "perfectly green", but at least, it moves in the right direction.

+Obyvvatel 20 years and 20 times the power

It's 25000 USD to replace the battery when it's old. Who wants to pay that much on repairing a 10 year old car??

Marauder252 With the advent of lithium sulfur it would likely only cost around 3k.

Even IF it costs that much to replace this battery now(questioning the price you gave) It definitely won't cost that much in 10 years to replace a bunch of 18650 batteries. I mean I use 18650 batteries in my flashlight and my vaporizer and they are only about 7 bucks a piece.

HeavyMetal The actual number for the full price of the 90kwh hour battery is 50k. Or 50,000 USD about half the price of the car. The issue is the batteries use rare materials, that and they lack energy density. But what you said is very true with newer batteries the cost can fall dramatically.

you can now drive it from LA to NY to Miami. More Supercharging stations are coming on line in the next 2 years.

thooke222 the newest model s has the fastest 0-60 of any super car out now

#SubaruWave - I too drive a WRX but once I'm finished with my house I am going to try and work on obtaining one of these. Which is not that far away.

+T1000AX hahahah!

+T1000AX Challenge accepted.

😂 haha

Activate Bioweapon defense mode.

dudududu. Ahh. Others: what was that. Nothing...

Yes those cars are absolute beasts! I cant believe they generated 1000+ft/lbs or torque!

And jeremy's P45

+Lajcsi Vagyok thats funny also cause the name on the care display is also jeremy

+Demon50 over 1000ft-lb torque ? Where did you read that? www.Teslamotors.com claims 713 ft-lb torque on the P90D

+Ray Walker The engine maximum(without software impediments) that doesn't make the car fly is ~1000. The real maximum is Infinite.

Your statement was true until the Tesla electric car hit the road. My dream car is the Tesla but it is too expensive now; I dream of no other car in the entire planet. The price of Electric cars will come down where a big market will gladly invest in them, as well as improving battery technology and range. You wait and see, the ultra conservative dinosaurs are now fighting renewable technologies and trying to bash electric cars in the States, but the new technologies like Tesla will leave them in the dust by pure economics. Many Americans like myself can't afford a Tesla, yet, but we really cheer them on for a better future. Tesla battery technology will give us the energy storage to make American homes independent with renewable but intermittent solar and wind energy harvesting too, so we can buy sell and store electric power on a smart grid network, a power internet, instead of receiving electric power from an old utility with old power plants and be at their mercy. A lot of us do realize what you fear we don't, the time is closer than you think and it will come for us 21th century thinking Americans.

americans are too slow to realize that we could be the forefront of something. and we would probably waste even more time making an unnecessary political conflict over it. and by the time we realize we have something good, it is when other countries are already marketing it in our faces.

Amen to that, my friend. (no religions hurt here!)

rpf276 I heard they are designing a Tesla that will cost around 30 grand or so in a few years. Don't worry, you may have your Tesla yet!

But when there is no choice because you petrolhead have burnt it all trying to impress folk; then what happens?

Then why doesn't the Tesla sell enough to be profitable? Tesla is just an exercise in liberalism--it will be finished (failed) soon.

jmshaw357 They are selling, there are more than 25,000 Tesla Model-S cars on the road, exceeding their target figure. Why do you hate American ingenuity and entrepreneurship? People working hard to deliver a superior product to make it rich, employing thousands along the way. A car which does not pollute the air, does not contribute to America's dependency on middle eastern oil and delivers on everything a car should do in terms of performance and aesthetics while being made in the USA. Whats not to like?.

jmshaw357 i dont think you understand this company is very new and will i repeat will be a huge success your gas cars are failed and always have been they are complete garbage every single one i love too see all gas cars dumped into a shredder

MY "gas" cars are a failure?? You're an idiot. Look around you, fool--ICE cars are used daily by billions of people. That's hardly a failure. You are a worthless dope.

yes they are a failure just look at the planet full of smog and pollution

im with you, id much rather buy the fastest sedan in the world than a fast but noisy sedan

+Srečko Lavrič Tesla Model 3, being revealed on the 31st of March. Its at 8:30 pm PST on tesla's website. Starting price of the model 3 will be $35,000 before tax credits... however the tax credit stops when tesla produces its 200,000th car. Hope this helped.

+Kurt Foster Thanks for your info. It's very interesting price, to say the least... Unfortunately (in this case) I'm from the EU - Slovenia so I guess it doesn't apply to me. Thank you again and - I will have it one time :)

I’ll take a e92 m3

Srečko Lavrič

Crazy how much better the plaid is now for $40k less!

The first rule of car sales is that test-drives sell cars, and that's never been more true than it is with Tesla. If you drive one, prepare to be impressed.

I'm sure he'll review the Model 3, in like 5 years when it finally ships lol

iHitchiti I think they would make an exception for Jay

They should do a review of the Chevy Volt since Jay drives one

danwat1234 I think he has

Agreed. Or a review of the Model X

+Maarten van Rossem Lezingen Fronk

+Dave M "frunk" :)

***** actually the first automobile was powered by steam ;) inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aacarssteama.htm

Thats what i thought...steam

xxcrysiscgx _ Same

Jose Ledesma ME

That wouldn't be exciting though. 88 mph would be reached in just a few seconds!

Eloderung haha!

Eloderung yeah, rather then the like 15 seconds it took marty, it would only take like 5 or 6 seconds in this, especially in the P85D

Eloderung , in about 5-6 seconds flat

***** and it would never not work!

BashMonkeyRC - see Tesla Roadster 2020.

WackoKillerDan or autopilot

+Pepe Autopilot wasn't "invented" yet

The torque is real and immediate but your behavior is being recorded for the various dot state agencies so you can determine your fate by the driving style

AND the safest car on the road !

TheAegisClaw Would have been awesome! But he was probably busy, as always. CEO of both Tesla AND SpaceX, plus still involved with Solar City... he must be working 100 hour weeks, I don't know how he does it.

TheAegisClaw Elon too busy in North Korea with Schmidt

Jay Leno could've went to him.

Rob W the futur will be very boring and an Electronic car isnt the future for me but hydrogene you can power a v8 with it

@@tobiaszistler Nothing says boring like 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds amarite

njdevil281 german cars have are more quality with better quality materials not like the hard plastic in FORD.

Harris Anwar But German cars cost more to buy and a lot more to run than domestic brands. You pays your money and you takes your choice!

but american car are not reliable AT ALL my dad used to drive a ford then one month later it had a oil leak and many more problems but now since we buy japeneze cars we had no problems and we know german car are even better but like you are saying german cars are pretty expensive unless its volkswagen

Yeah RENTS not buys if he buys it it will break in a month or 2

Alex Rodrigues If we charged what Germans charge.. we'd have better quality.. my VW Jetta doesn't stand up to your "quality" standard..

Nah that's Toyota

Yes that would be cool. I want an import fart can sound..

It is possible with aftermarket fittings

This fake engine sound will sound really FAKE and pathetic on interior speakers (silent electric motor whine is much more cool than fake motor sounds in some bmw - compare it). You will need whole extremely complicated subwoofer system located in exhaust pipe dummy to really mimic the experience, i think. And this will waste a lot of energy (yes, loud and nice exhaust means a huge loss of energy), cost a lot and complicate the whole construction. And it will somewhow send a message like ,,Electric cars are not true cars, thus they must imitate classic cars, etc"....

The247th - I call Chevy VOLT a trash car.

you clearly don't know anything about Tesla Model S, and I suggest you refrain from ever talking about it again until you know basic facts, such as the fact it can do 300 miles on a charge. Such as the fact it works just fine in the cold of Norway and it's a best selling car there. Such as the fact it can charge at a rate of 300-400 miles range in an hour. Such as the fact at highway speeds with the AC on full it can still do nearly 200 miles.

Will Davis Teslas can get 300 miles on a charge on the freeway, assuming 50-70 temperature with climate control, 60mph speeds. If you want to go faster than 60mph, 70mph cuts your range by 50 miles. If you have the 85kWh battery, you should be getting over 200mph even with AC full and highway speeds. It can't charge at a rate of 300-400 miles range in an hour at all though.

Enzo Piacitelli my dad has a p85 model s and my brother has a leaf. The s is better than any real or fictional car I have seen. The leaf like you said is good for what it is a commuter but nissan's battery tech and placement leave much to be desired(pun intended). Making the floor of the car the battery pack is the only smart way to do it, that would require a manufacturing change for most car companies though, which is why the first car I buy will be the 3. Honda, bmw, Toyota among others have all announced they are attacking the ev market mostly because of California regulations and chevy has the volt but I think elon put it best "the volt is a not very good electric car and a not very good gas car combined to make a ok car" not verbatim.

whats the use??? electricity is still produced with fossil fuels!

If you use a home gasoline generator, it's about twice as efficient as an engine in a car. Roughly. So, this car, if gasoline, would get, what? 20-24 mpg? If you charged it with a home gasoline generator, it would get about 40-50 mpg. Again, that's the rough idea. It's the same reason a Prius gets better gas mileage, but this thing isn't lugging around the gas tank and engine. But a big utility grade electric generator is much more efficient than a home generator. So the point is, less fossil fuel per mile with the potential for zero fossil fuel.

Well Tesla model 3 will be out soon at 35000$ so yaaay!! I can't wait. I'm scratching my head and thinking why none of the big auto makers haven't done this yet. Tesla did it with 0.000001% of the big car companies budget. There is not really any excuse. If they don't act fast company's like Tesla will start to take over. It's silly that we still use fossil fuel.

+sasajungic89 Right! Stupidity, hope there will come more cars like that

If you have solar panels at home or use wind turbines, you basically have free "gas" for your Tesla.

This lineup is more expensive, but they are planning on scaling up production to bring down prices.

TheCrazyFinn the best thing is that they compensate for the expensiveness of an electric car by making it comparable to high end cars like bmws and audis. so you would be paying this much for a car as nice as this anyway

+ Nate whitelaw very true! Which is why I optioned out of my 2015 x5 35d for a tesla yesterday! It doesn't make sense for someone driving an economy car to upgrade to a tesla on the premise of saving money. For luxury car buyers, the tesla will pay for itself(5 series, e class, 50k plus etc)

C'mon Ted, you can extract electricity from potatoes if you really wanted to. Let's not kid ourselves, electricity can be generated from multiple sources. The point I'm getting at is that the post production or post contribution to the environment is minimal. I would safely kneel behind an EV and breath in its zero emissions, but i wouldn't wish anyone to kneel behind a gasoline car and breath in the emissions it produces. Again let me stress that I'm a fan of all automobiles so this is definitely a non-biased opinion.

@Ted D Mielke yeh 100 years after tesla discovered zero point energy. in which there is enough energy in a coffee cup to boil away the worlds oceans, and were driving round on a ½ton slab of batteries. c'mon people, the first electric car was , what? 1876 or thereabouts, this is alredy archaic.

Tesla is working on delivering that with Project Bluestar.

Just wait a few years and get it used :)

eno

They are currently making 1 or maybe 2 gigafactories for battery manufacturing to bring the price down to around $35000 to $40000 for their gen 3 car the TESLA model E

they are currently working on that, then let's buy. yahoo!

+Donald E. “Don” Riley Wouldn't that be a potentiometer since a switch would just be full on or off?

Wouldn`t it be a hoot for Jay to say "Stepping on the potentiometer"!

Old fashioned terms like that are used for plenty of new things that don't match the word.

+Donald E. “Don” Riley accelerator

+Donald E. “Don” Riley throttle

Model S is in a different class and price than for example Leaf. Apples and oranges.

Sony Kroket but its very boring no sound no gearshift just a big lack of driving expirience and emptions its too steril wat is more interesting a mucle car with a v8 roar or a ice train car

bestjunky I'm sorry but I think your gas rates are wrong. My car is a 4 cylinder 14 Fusion. I spend about $60 a month in gas. I drive about 500-650km a week. That's not low but not super high either.

bestjunky Yes the Tesla S is for rich people - not because it's an EV, but because it is a premium, luxury sports sedan. It is still nice to save money on gas though, don't you agree? Compare purchase price, running costs and maintenance costs between the model S, and let's say a Mercedes E-class AMG sports edition. The Tesla S ends up significantly CHEAPER to buy and own, and yet provides a very comparable experience and function (to some people better than the Merc, to some worse maybe),

bestjunky The problem is that people tend to use invalid arguments such as looking at economy cars. A Tesla buyer would have probably bought something in at least the $50K range as an alternative, and if you compare the car to others in its class, it's competitively priced. Ones in its class with respect to luxury and/or performance aren't known for high gas mileage and will typically use premium gasoline. So for a person who spends $75/week on premium gasoline but lives in an area where EV rates for electricity are low, they would probably save less than half of what Adam's neighbor claims to be saving on gas and would probably spend about twice as much on electricity as what she claims to be spending, but after tax credits and incentives, it could be significant. If you look at monthly costs after incentives with a five year car loan, factoring in the cost of a base Model S and electricity vs a $50K car and monthly gasoline costs, they could be about break even. And if the person keeps the car another five years once the loan is paid off, it could be another $15K in savings. For some, that would make more financial sense than buying a $40K car with good performance and poor gas mileage. You can't really compare it to buying something that could never be an either/or comparison for typical buyers. So it's not a stretch to say that cost of operation factors into the purchase decision. It might not come down to buying the car because it comes out cheaper, but it might come down to being able to buy an $85K to $90K configuration of the car and justify it as being affordable compared to buying a $50K car, even if it will cost more. Without the cost savings, the more expensive car might be out of the question.

Alexander Nevsky Maybe, but you'd have to poll Tesla owners and ask how many of them would go (back) to Mercedes for their next car and how many would buy a Tesla again. Current figures show about 98% would stick with the Tesla. There are Mercedes owners who have never driven a Tesla and Tesla owners who have never driven a Mercedes. And there are those who have driven both or even have at least one of each. Comments I've read from people in the latter category put them firmly in the Tesla camp, but not "anti-Mercedes" per se. People who drive a Tesla most likely wouldn't want to look at a Mercedes because it's not electric and they wouldn't want to deal with all the inconvenience that comes with that.

+bW9taeH4 mercedez already made a fully electric car, it's the sls amg E-cell. It was driven by Jeremy Clarkson on top gear, season 21. Mercedez, bmw, and audi, those companies have made deals with tesla to get part of their tecnology and put it into their cars. In the future, mercedez, audi and BMW will have fully electric cars or hybrids, and they already have some working already, like the i8 and the r8 e-tron. So don't worry, it's going to be normal to choose between electrics and hybrids in the future. There's even a brand called BYD, from china, that has a fully electric car for just a fraction of the tesla's current cost.

Jonathan Collison why?!

why??? enjoy the silence!

lol, just hook up your mp3 and play engine sounds.

tires, breaks, bearings and batteries.

BaberJacks Still much lower maintenance than a regular car, and Tesla said their shops are fast.

BaberJacks The regenerative braking system significantly reduces wear and tear on the brakes by converting the car's momentum back into electricity with a generator instead of converting it to heat via friction. Batteries need replacing once a decade max, and maybe not even that often. And you forgot suspension bushings. Bushings, bearings, and brakes probably need maintenance every 100k miles or so, and the battery will probably go quite a bit longer than that. There's wipers and wiper fluid, but that stuff is so cheap it should hardly count. It may need its water pump replaced occasionally, and the air springs may need occasional maintenance, but those are both also high-mileage maintenance items. It's hard to know how high mileage exactly since Tesla would apparently rather sell you a "maintenance plan" than make a recommended maintenance schedule available online, which is very disappointing. I don't think it's reasonable to expect to be able to sell cars to people without first telling them what will be required to take care of it. In any case, tires are definitely the most frequent maintenance item by far, which is pretty cool.

Oh I do hope so! Good as it undoubtedly is, this car replaces Jags and Mercs. not smaller Fords and Mazdas.

Billy Sino model E coming soon to a tesla store near you.

FPVREVIEWS Model III

Billy Sino Model X will be pretty family friendly, check it out! I wouldn't expect it to be cheap though. For that, you'll have Model III.

Model 3 the affordable telsa is comming

For number 1, the answer is now! :) www.tesla.com/semi/

I think he probably meant pickup, and that is also on the cards though they have no firm timeline. It's a pickup that can carry a pickup: electrek.co/2017/11/17/tesla-pickup-truck-first-image-unveil/ Tesla semi tech repackaged into something you can drive on a normal licence. Seriously though, someone will make an electric pickup, it's just too perfect a drivetrain for that use case, where you may be carrying heavy tools as a tradesman or some such, the equivalent of an F250 for those who actually use it for it's intended purpose. Consider that a P100D Model X can beat an Alfa 4C (a pretty quick car in it's own right) in a drag race - while towing an Alfa 4C on a trailer behind it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ib-02b2ooLY.htmlm17s

Mike - the Tesla Semi is coming in 2020 but the game changer is the Tesla model pickup. Over 300 miles range and Dual Motor standard. So, it’s a Real 4x4. It has both a compressor for air tools and a 240v System to power electric tools, it can haul a F550 in its truckbed.

Still power density of crapiest gas is times greater than of the most advanced power cell that btw tend to explode when fully loaded+ even under very mild usage this car uses more electricity in an hour than your home during entire month. Oh yeah and to load it's batteries you'll need industrial grade power line that alone is as expensive as the car.

Marine475 pretty much all you stated is either wrong or poorly understood (purposely distorted?). efficency of an electric engine is about 80%...any combustion engine has a below 40% efficency...so basically 60% of that power inside gasoline is tronsformed into heat, not motion. An internal combustion engine is about 4 times more likely to catch fire. "Advanced power cell" which isn't even the correct word, (i think you ment hydrogen fuel cell) is not used in the tesla...but your statement isn't even factual anyway. Yes, the tesla uses electricity...which is signifficantly cheaper than the same amount of energy in gasoline. 85kWh power worth of gasoline is 4 times more expensive than 85kWh electricity. And no, you do not need an industrial grade powerline...most countries on this planet have 240V anyway. I could go on and dismantle your other statements, but i will just leave it at that to not embarace you any further.

Raussl Uh dont know even where to start. Charging 85kwh through 240v line requires a lot of time, or very thick cable- how thick- google mr Ohm and ask him :) The thing about electric motor isn't about motor itself but about storage. Gasoline holds 44MJ of energy in 1000g *30% efficiency= 13,2mj/kg Tesls S batter pack holds 85kwh of energy @ 555kg- I actually wasted some time to find that one out. 85kw *3600s = 306mj/ 555kg = 0,5mj/kg. That's what energy density stands for btw. and yes the kind of batteries that can hold more power per kg overheat and catch on fire. Anyway Tesla S drives around with gas tank equivalent of 42l that takes 18 hours- (Mr Ohm) of charging using 240v 20A normal household power line. That's elementary school physics btw. so if I got anything wrong feel free to correct me- in the process you might even learn how electricity works.

Marine475 yes but fact remains, that even though gasoline can store much more energy than a battery, the efficency of any gasoline engine is half of that of an electric engine, period. You can deny that as long as you want, it still remains true.

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Yes and even better, it's going to further the development and manufacturing of the battery packs which will drive down the costs, increase range, etc. All good things.

Dave Rogers Indeed bro :)

***** For sure, I'm in Cold Springs ..

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+Shawn Gates Even if all powerplants used fossil fuels today it would still be a lot more efficient burning it at the plant than in the individual engines. Look it up, Elon Musk particularly mentioned it a lot in his interviews and gives more detail. About 60% efficiency vs ruffly 20% efficiency in a car engine. Now considering that power plants use many different sources of power including nuclear and renewable's being the fastest growing while more and more coal plants shut down...

+Jimmy M the process of making the power train still damages the environment massively, and if the power train dies (like an old ice engine) and not recycled properly it's cause even more harmful effects. Also there may be grammatical errors since its around 2 am for me rip

That is another argument to be had. This is why the BMW M3, I believe, beat out the Toyota Prius as the "Greenest" car of the year. The making and disposing of Toyota batteries did more harm to the environment than the production and running of the M3......

Shawn, that was the old NiMH batteries, current gen lithium are much easier to recycle with no heavy metals. Oh, and the new one does 0-60 in 2.5 seconds...

Solar panels on your roof is all you need. No more giving good, hard earned American dollars to those filthy terrorists in Saudi Arabia.