2017 GSX-R1000 S2B: Episode 4 - Exhaust Installation and Theory (Part 1)

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2017 GSX-R1K S2B: Episode 4 - Exhaust Installation and Theory (Part 1) - Brock discusses OEM exhaust systems and their function and analyzes restrictions as well as potential cures. Once again, he gets down and dirty to make the discussion fun.
2017 GSX-R1K S2B: Episode 1 - Parts Introduction & Overview: • 2017 GSX-R1000 S2B: Ep...
2017 GSX-R1K S2B: Episode 2 - Initial Dyno Break-In with Chart: • 2017 GSX-R1000 S2B: Ep...
2017 GSX-R1K S2B: Episode 3 - Throttle Blade Derestriction: • 2017 GSX-R1000 S2B: Ep...
The details (unchanged from Episode 3):
2017 GSX-R 1000L7 Standard model (not the ‘R’ version)
Traction control - Motion Track Traction Control Standard (TC=OFF during testing)
Suzuki Drive Mode Selector (S-DMS) Power Mode=A (max power selected during testing)
Fuel used during test: Shell 89 Octane (choices available at our local Shell = 87, 89, 93 - we selected mid-grade for our tests)
Rear tire: Stock Bridgestone Battlax RS10 190/55/ZR17 - 35 PSI Nitrogen
Motor Oil: As delivered (unknown)
Air Filter: OEM
PAIR: Blocked
Power Commander: On bike with ZERO map installed (equivalent to no Power Commander at all)
ECU: Stock or Brock Flashed with Flash Tune (FTecu) software (ETV Base Maps/Mode A 100%)
5th Gear Pulls
Dynojet Model 250I dyno using DynoWare RT and WinPep 8 dyno control - displaying the SAE scale (unless noted otherwise in video)
Video Introduction - OEM exhaust theory, restrictions, potential solutions.
0:47 How does the OEM exhaust work?
2:00 EXUP valve (Suzuki SET) function during bike operation.
3:45 EXUP and crossover tube valve operation.
5:21 Base runs with completely stock ECU as well as 100% throttle flashed ECU.
7:45 Discussion of today’s base runs.
8:50 Quickly remove OEM muffler and run again (Yeeeee-Ha!)
9:40 Ohhh yeah
11:07 Dyno run results with no muffler.
11:20 OEM muffler inspection.
11:50 Are Gixxer fans doomed?
13:27 Detailed 2017 GSX-R1000 OEM exhaust explanation and comparison with BMW S1000RR and ZX-10R exhausts.
15:40 Slip-on configurations/definitions explained.
16:50 2017 GSX-R1000 OEM secondary configuration.
Conclusion…
2017 GSX-R 1000 Information Page: www.brocksperf...
BMW S 1000 RR Information Page: www.brocksperfo...
ZX-10R (2016) Information Page: blog.brocksperf...
Visit www.BrocksPerfo... for additional information, installation instructions, information forums, and FAQ sections.
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Please watch: "2017 GSX-R1K S2B: Episode 4 - Exhaust Installation and Theory (Part 3): Full Exhaust Systems"
• 2017 GSX-R1000 S2B: Ep...
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@BrockDavidson 7 лет назад

See description for detailed information and video time tags

@apexhunter2k 7 лет назад

Brock Davidson Hey Brock, what's the final results, I feel you are stretching this out. You guys can all this work and testing in a few days. Yes, I am impatient... lol!

@BrockDavidson 7 лет назад

@apexhunter2K, check our Brock's Performance facebook page or @brocksperf instagram for more info.

@Turbo329 7 лет назад

....and just like that, Brock has the BEST channel on RU-vid.

@BizAutomation 7 лет назад

A true craftsman at work. Loves what he does (it shows) so he's extremely detail oriented, knowledgeable, which is why in the end he's going to be so "effective" at reaching his objective (maximizing power on systems he analyzes and modifies) which is what we want in a vendor. As t he owner of BizAutomation I do the same thing but in the world of ERP software, but the process is not too unsimilar. You gotta love what you do, and it no longer becomes work, and you become the best at doing it.

@MrSmurfnanne 2 года назад

I installed a Brock's CT Meg exhaust on my 2021. When I did a pre fit, It was such a tight fit that I thought this thing aint never going to line up easy on the bike! I was wrong! Fit and finish were top shelf! The weld on the megaphone bracket may have gotten a little hot, but still looks superb to me! Also, I did run into a issue with interference between the oil-cooler and #1 header pipe. I initially thought to delete the oil-cooler, but figured a easy fix due to the unique mounting of the cooler. Very pricey pipe, but worth every penny!

@SuperbikeDiscovery 4 года назад

These videos are absolutely great. We are learning so much and enjoying at the same time. God bless!

@AJTalks 7 лет назад

Excellent info, thanks Brock!

@trevorbailey4441 7 лет назад

I'm so so glad I took my tuners advice about not waisting money on a yoshi slip on, he told me it was only worth 2 or 3 bhp just as you showed so well Brock, there's a lot of us in the UK watching your videos with interest, considering the yoshi slip on I was going to buy was £760.00 and the full Arrows system I'm now going to fit is £1,200 it's a bit of a no brainer ☺

@oldschool6268 7 лет назад

Cliffhanger ! LOL ! Brock for us who are experienced riders , it's good to see how you are giving the younger generation a clear understanding. 🖒

@cowsauce9099 7 лет назад

Amazing Video, was gonna buy an Akrapovic system, but now I am 100% going with Brocks. The level of detail in this explanation makes me love your company with all my heart. I hate the normal bullshit marketing. As a mechanic, I want to see all the nitty gritty detail. Sub and Thumbs Up!

@blackyoung8732 7 лет назад

I think this was the most anticipated bike ever.

@jryer1 7 лет назад

Brock: You're such a tease. Great stuff brother. Just bought the 2017 GSX-R1000R today. And yes the quick/blip shifter is first class. I held the throttle steady, both up and down shifts were near seamless, the only time I clutched was from a dead stop or downshifting to first. Even at 165hp, acceleration from a dead stop was impressive, but nothing close to Mr. 7 sec :-) I'll get into the performance suspension and sort through the electronics package next. My only beef from the factory are the cheezy brake lines, noticeably mushy, not something I'd take to a track day or race without an upgrade first.

@jacobhendrickson8935 7 лет назад

I'm a r1 guy but still loving these videos. This baby looks like it's going to respond well with your upgrades

@wildbill2468 6 лет назад

Wow! I love it!like going to school on motorcycles , I learn something new every episode thanks so much for for the time you put into this

@belkins1 7 лет назад

Love this episode you are doing on the gsxr!

@Bass.Player 5 лет назад

Very good and dead on. I'm retired from the industry and spent considerable time studying Volumetric efficiency and I can say that few people understand what is going on here, I'm glad to see that someone actually cares enough to learn what all this flow is all about. Personally I would not delete the X-up system unless it is prone to high maintenance and cost later down the road, though I might add a slip-on but really all that will be saved is weight.

@NeedGravityGfx 7 лет назад

damn just when it was getting juicy lol great video brock!!

@TL1000S97 7 лет назад

Brock will make the 2017 GXSR shine! :D

@MantisRacing 7 лет назад

I am really enjoying these GSXR videos. I know a lot of what is explained, but I enjoy the non salesman approach so far. Excellent informational videos so far!

@peterago1082 7 лет назад

great informative video for a motohead like myself this is a dream come true video

@848evo4 7 лет назад

awesome job Brock

@gaddy8964 7 лет назад

Knowledge is definitely power from watching his informational videos...This bike is gonna put Zook back in the game. We all knew it was coming. Thankfully the aftermarket game has kept the Busa still standing strong. Keep informing us loyal BrockFans..

@dman117zx6 7 лет назад

I've heard a lot of people talk bad about Honda's new fireblade exhaust saying that it's a waste since people just take off the stock exhaust but like Brock said it's probably better than anything you could buy aftermarket without spending thousands

@timjamesvella 7 лет назад

my gosh Brock. your videos are great. very methodical and based on facts. interesting comparison to the zx10r because from what i read that has the world superbike spec headers from factory. hence if u wanted to race. one would only need slip on and cat delete. keep it coming!!!!

@LambChopRides 7 лет назад

Great video extremely interesting!

@rameezkhan3932 7 лет назад

Lamb Chop Rides here we have the holy lamb in his natural habitat preying on the superbikes of today

@browie316 7 лет назад

Loving this series, thanks for taking the time to show all the R & D.

@nigelfisher6896 7 лет назад

Hey Brock, lovin this series on the GSX-R. I'm very interested in to see the tests on the SET valve and if it makes a difference.

@kadien2006 7 лет назад

This is getting interesting Brock hurry the next episode pal 👍👍

@ethanswart1168 7 лет назад

Great videos and extremely informative. Can't wait for the next episode

@Da-wooley18 7 лет назад

Is it sad that I wait all week for the next new video on "brocks tv" lol Really loving these videos dissecting this new gsxr I hope you do this with every new bike worth making a pass on at the strip

@nirsweet7474 7 лет назад

Hi Brock! Love your work. You really got me hypnotized with your videos. Your fan from Israel, Nir

@markullyett 7 лет назад

Fantastic explanations as always. Hi from the UK

@GIGABACHI 7 лет назад

Cliffhangers ! Dang it ! Now we gotta wait 'til the next episode. LOL. GREAT JOB, Mr. Brock ! Keep doing it !

@ryderDoO 7 лет назад

Excellent info brock! thats what i want to see, fully race spec exhaust system with a fully functioning exups integrated in the system.

@kx501 9 месяцев назад

So did a little experiment on my 2023 gxsr1000 1. Opened the rear valve, closed the valve in the crossover tube up in the headers gained 5 hp from 4000 to 10000 2. Opened the rear valve, opened the valve in the crossover tube up in the headers (so everything is open now free flowing) gained 5 to 6 hp from 10000 to 14000, but lost 5hp from 4000 to 10000. So i think for racing no:2 would be the best set up for now until i get a set of your headers.

@BrockDavidson 9 месяцев назад

Your testing is correct! The answer to your question depends on exactly what type of racing you are doing...any partial throttle, #1. WFO...#2. But if your answer is #2, our full exhaust will produce even better results.

@Glen45 7 лет назад

Extremely informative and well presented. Loving this series. Keep them coming. 😁

@freelancerider100 5 лет назад

I took a hole saw and removed only the rear baffle on my mailbox... (muffle)... then i flared the hole outward.... it give the bike a better sound little more db but it has helped the mid range power. I am still waiting for my factory rebated yoshi tri pipe.... on gsxr100r 2018

@stevehash158 7 лет назад

Zx10r bikes comes with full titanium except the mufflers.. so they're much cheaper to Tune..

@ryderDoO 7 лет назад

As always excellent work brock! always get to learn something new from you. Thank you!

@SSmoothS70 7 лет назад

Brock, love these videos! I'm not a GSXR guy but these are great, very informative.

@doraora2 7 лет назад

At 13:50 Brock says that closed crossover pipes give more peak power, but isn't he mistaken? Suzuki website says SET-A butterfly valve "remains closed to enhance mid-range and low-rpm power, then opens at high rpm to add significant top-end power."

@MCA842 6 лет назад

Brock i like your videos! Keep it up! One of the best tuners in the world!

@TheAstraios 7 лет назад

I fucking love this series. :D

@tomasa4440 6 лет назад

3 blades used to cut the cat on 2016 gsxs 1000f.(at a moderate speed) Double tube stainless, plus the honeycomb, some kind of metal.

@russybignuts 7 лет назад

Absolutely loving the insight your going into here Brock - many dyno shops don't want to tell all this they just want to sell you certain products. Please, please, can you show us what the SET valve is actually doing? Is there torque ? Or is it just noise control???

@BrockDavidson 7 лет назад

@Bolton Motorcycle Workshop 01204 811 560 - keep watching :)

@lghazmat 7 лет назад

extremely good video brocks-suzuki best brand period.

@dereklane5231 7 лет назад

Ahhh Brock,,, Now im hooked like a Game of Thrones Junkie!!! Part2-Part 2 Part 2!!!! Awesome Video..

@zardportugal 7 лет назад

What a lesson! Congrats.

@BangAverageRider 7 лет назад

I put a cheap slip on exhaust, went to the track last Fri and Monday and the bike was really struggling on the straights. it revved as normal but I wasn't passing bikes as normal. I'm hoping to get it on the dyno tomorrow to check what's happened. I've heard of someone's cat getting fried and the bike was running 134bhp

@davidtranmedia5112 7 лет назад

We want more we want more lol. Gsxr fanboy but love all your videos. keep them coming.

@apexhunter2k 7 лет назад

Hey @Brock. I feel like you are stretching the results out alittle. You ship can do ask the work and testing in a few days. I want to see results so I can buy the necessary products. Yes I am impatient. Let's go!

@TheDriversPerspective 7 лет назад

Keep up the great work, this is amazing information you're putting out there.

@monteiro5306 7 лет назад

What can I write ? Another great video. Salute from Brazil!

@cosmicsurfer5911 7 лет назад

Dang, these episodes are too short :) GXRers are my first love since I owned the first 750 that was out in 86, landed up buying my wife the K7. That is a great machine. So sorry I sold that one. :( Love all the tech talk, thank you. One question though, how do they sound engineer these pipes?

@MrMigo028 7 лет назад

+Brock Davidson can you explain the diference betwen the shorty and long can exhaust? Great vides, cant wait the next part (y)

@billweiss9514 7 лет назад

excellent.learning is fun!

@windrider3698 7 лет назад

Wow great video!

@terrancesampson6800 7 лет назад

Informed customers are better customers thanks Brocks my 2015 zx-14r has your alien head 2 on it.

@joehooyen725 7 лет назад

Soooo interesting! This guy has real passion for what he does...

@robdefire4747 7 лет назад

Love it, waiting for the next.

@chtpcpo 7 лет назад

When can we expect Part 2 Brock? Desperate to find out the reality of valves and catalysts before paying out for a full system or living with my R11SQ

@kennethengstrom583 7 лет назад

Damn good video👍👍👍I can't wait to the next one.

@Bisse_Elison 7 лет назад

Really, really good stuff! I have waiting for some One to step up and make films about This 😃

@Turbo329 7 лет назад

I'm Turbo329, and I approve this message. :-)

@thunderbirdstsa6013 7 лет назад

That is deep knowledge right there Brock. I would love to see your take both on other brands stock exhaust systems + unbiased analysis of other aftermarker exhausts that are avaliable (therefor what is the advantage of yours over theirs)

@BrockDavidson 7 лет назад

Thanks @Thunderbird Tsa - we will get into some of that also.

@thunderbirdstsa6013 7 лет назад

I also think you should seriously consider going global with your brand! I am in Europe and seriously the market is thirsty for products like yours. I dont mind Akra and Arrow (matter of fact I have them on my motocycles) but we need something fresh, something 'gourmet'..

@elijahinky 7 лет назад

Good stuff keep it up!

@blipco5 7 лет назад

What a tease. Anyways, when are you going to build something for my new z900?

@Nova234432 7 лет назад

Sick video! keep em coming!

@ThePowerman39 7 лет назад

GREAT VIDEOS!!! i have a question though. i seen you took the stock muffler off the bike and it gained a couple hp. but i was wondering what it would do if you took the butterfly/cat off and used the stock exhuast or just the butterfly or cat with the stock exhaust?

@BrockDavidson 7 лет назад

Justin Butts part 2 will be released soon 😎

@mohamedwarsame 7 лет назад

Brock Davidson can you tell me if I ride bike without a muffler will damage the engine?

7 лет назад

I follow this story as it were Twin Peaks season 3, with anxiety

@thereal_FASTA 7 лет назад

Keep it coming Brock love the series.

@arturjacinto4147 7 лет назад

so the thing to do is to replace the OEM for a OEM titanium copy?

@DearMajesty 7 лет назад

Awesome!

@FirstinProductions89 6 лет назад

Fuel to air was not broken down without the stock muffler. I know u wouldnt advise against the design of the oem. I'm just curious as to if the muffler was off would bike run with in safe fuel to air....too lean or too rich or the same as if it was on.

@BrockDavidson 6 лет назад

It's not safe.

@chriscormier6584 7 лет назад

Is the exhaust that 650ib has on his ninja h2 available for purchase? I'd like to get that exhaust with a stage 2 package

@electricsnut 7 лет назад

Shame they ditched titanium headers, remember even my GSXR K6 had titanium headers :)

@sural89 7 лет назад

brock can you tell me what give the best result between a shorty exhaust and a longer pipe ? can't wait for part 2

@BrockDavidson 7 лет назад

That will be addressed in detail (:

@sural89 7 лет назад

ok great

@jarvismckoy3 7 лет назад

When is part 2 episode 4 coming out

@karlknudson9249 5 лет назад

it will not run better with no muffler believe it or not i have a shorty flo mastter on my zx14 and it runs awesome with a flomaster

@BerrieBadslof 5 лет назад

9:41 oh yeah!

@Lucky_Logan 4 года назад

Since that has a quick shifter why are you blipping the gas as you shift, like it doesn’t have one?

@BrockDavidson 4 года назад

This is the standard (not R) model, so it did not have a QS at the time of this video - it gets retrofittedin a later episode. FYI: Most modern bikes will quickly notice the front wheel is stationary and the back wheel is spinning, which will throw trouble codes and not allow certain unnecessary items to function until the ECU is reset. Quick Shifters and Auto blippers fall into this category. Resetting can be easy, or a real PITA... we can reset some in seconds, some take 1/2 hour+ of riding on the street...it depends on the bike. Some bikes won't make it 30 seconds on the dyno, some will allow 3-4 dyno runs - once again, it depends on the bike. And last, QS's are designed for wide-open throttle, high RPM use, so using them anywhere else can lead to much larger problems such as missed gears, stretched chains, and even transmission damage.

@timjamesvella 7 лет назад

hi Brock does this mean, one could run the bike perfectly fine without the muffler, or with any slip on and not have to worry about remapping?

@BrockDavidson 7 лет назад

Not at all. As shown in the video, this bike was on the verge of 'too lean' operation when adding the slip-on - and this was just a 100% throttle test. The bike is desperately lean in some spots under cruising conditions - this is never good, long term.

@apexhunter2k 7 лет назад

Gotcha, it's been awhile since I looked on your Instagram. I just looked on your Facebook page. Exhaust looks bad ass. I noticed most manufacturers are going to the mid pipe connecting the 1 & 4 and 2&3 cylinders instead of the traditional 1&2 and 3&4 cylinders. Does this increase midrange or improve top end gains?

@BrockDavidson 7 лет назад

I wouldn't say most? At least not in our world. It can pick up mid range, but it's usually at the expense of top end gains.

@tonyfrench3862 6 лет назад

do you make a hole exhaust eystem for 03 gsxr 750? im seing mostly newer bikes i would love to have a custom system from you an maybe even go as far as taking a trip an having the bike tuned by you with custom system

@BrockDavidson 6 лет назад

@Tony - the farthest we go back on the GSX-R750's is 06.

@jeremybly 4 года назад

Brock i have a 2017 kawasaki ninja 1000 (1043cc) with full akra system K n N filter 520 chain conversion and a custom dyno tune. 143hp at wheel and 79 torque. What is the difference between my engine and the zx10r? Its almost a 50hp difference. What is it that makes it produce so much more power stock then my fully modified litre bike?

@BrockDavidson 4 года назад

The quick answer: The ZX-10R is a race motor, severely neutered for street use. The Ninja 1000 is a street motor. Once we work our magic on the 10R, it's a bad mofo.

@shaunroberts6025 7 лет назад

can't find the part 2

@favian3380 7 лет назад

Next episode😁

@jryer1 7 лет назад

182 hp and no significant exhaust mods!! It just keeps getting better.

@furapneusvialonga8574 5 месяцев назад

Hello, i'm checking your videos about this mod, and need to ask you a question, because I'm trying to do it on my bike. Did you try to leve the 2 "butterfly" Open a see any lost off Power or some diferences on cruise speed? Thanks for any coments, best regards.

@BrockDavidson 5 месяцев назад

The 2017 is a fly by wire and only has one throttle blade. You might want to watch this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tn88EtR5O9g.html

@furapneusvialonga8574 5 месяцев назад

@@BrockDavidson , sorry, I was refering to the exausth!!! The SET sistem???

@BrockDavidson 5 месяцев назад

The second butterfly is mostly for noise abatement. It's normally open, but if you disconnect it without a flash it will throw codes. To answer your question, yes, slight performance gains in the low and mid range are noticed.

@furapneusvialonga8574 5 месяцев назад

Ok, what about the other ones on the headers? Any looses living it Open ??

@apexhunter2k 7 лет назад

Also, are you still looking for a gsxr1000R to mid and test. If so, I'll bring mine up there. Let me know.

@BrockDavidson 7 лет назад

We have that covered, but thanks!

@adanperez1286 4 года назад

Do you need a Servo Buddy on 2017 Suzuki GSXR1000 if you're only putting a slip on?

@BrockDavidson 4 года назад

Not if you have a proper flash.

@adanperez1286 4 года назад

@@BrockDavidson I dont have a flash or anything, so it looks like I'll be buying one Servo Buddy of your site. I'm not looking for HP or anything. I'm going for looks and sound

@spoonvalleyracing 5 лет назад

Sorry for the late reply but if the valve is after the cat it also works as a heatkeeper, the cat needs heat to work properly. EU4 or what ever. As the PAIR or air inlets to the exhaust, the cat needs oxygen to get hot fast to manage the gases. To make it more f....d up........MotoGP bikes has these valves too and they dont give a shit about emissions or noise.... ;-)

@BrockDavidson 5 лет назад

Moto GP bikes do not use these exhaust valves in the same manner or location - they are more like the Suzuki 'A' valve which allows the use of the addtional cylinder(s) at wide open throttle. This gives the power of a large diameter exhaust at high rev's, but smaller tubing produces more low to mid range power. The best of both worlds - with a proper ability to control the valve (s) for peak performance. Unfortunately, this not the case for store bought streetbikes...

@spoonvalleyracing 5 лет назад

@@BrockDavidson thanks for the respons, usually nobody cares 😔 Different use different rules...

@Nihadkeso 7 лет назад

Do you guys do a mail in service, where I send my eco in and get it flashed? I have a 2016 r1

@BrockDavidson 7 лет назад

www.brocksperformance.com/Brock-Flashed-ECU-YZFR1-2015+I923928+C297.aspx

@Nihadkeso 7 лет назад

what kind of power would I get from your ecu flash? Is the throttle still going to as sensitive? How does it compare to the sbu tune thats a 100 bucks cheaper?

@revolutionmotorsport 7 лет назад

What kind of Afr are you seeing

@mohamedwarsame 7 лет назад

Hey Brock if I removed the big muffler completely will it damage the engine?

@BrockDavidson 7 лет назад

It can, especially if the engine is not properly tuned for it's removal.

@mohamedwarsame 7 лет назад

Brock Davidson thanks

@jeremybly 6 лет назад

Do you make alienhead for 2017 kawasaki ninja 1000?

@BrockDavidson 6 лет назад

jeremybly we do not, sorry!

@wawii1983 7 лет назад

You're pro 👍👍👍👍👍👍

@samjohnson2228 7 лет назад

Yeah the new gixxer is all hype. They tried to say the large baseball bat on the bike was the reason it was being held back. Nah that's so far from the truth that it is not even funny. Gixxer bikes it seem will never really make big power. Not really Suzuki main focus there. They just build good street riding comfort style riding machines, Nothing more. Nothing less. I was thinking it was going to be more powerful than the R1 but the R1 would kill it. VVT still nothing but works nice on a super bike. VVT on the c14 when it first came out helped that large bike out giving it more mid range kick over bikes in its class. I also looked at the video of the gen 4 over this. Couldn't even make more power over a bike that was designed what 6 years ago? Only thing that will happen when you remove the large pipe is just weight savings. On the head pipe area. Larger pipes also bring about bigger hp gains. Even with a bike that has ti headers on it when you install that full cause of the larger headers, it will pick up much more power. This is easy. Also when you just run headers with no pipe on it. You lose back pressure. That does the machine no good.