My son has 20 years experience with these frameless dumps. He has never tipped one but on a few rare occasions he has refused to dump in certain spots because they would have been a risk. He is also aware of this danger with loads frozen in the bed and is mindful of that as well.
@ you are absolutely correct and a good driver is smart enough to recognize potential problems. I know my son on occasion has refused to haul a load or dump one unless he could do it in a safer way. Didnt happen often but did happen. Some drivers buckle to the pressure and thats when accidents happen.
@ thanks my son has been doing it alot of years now. He is currently driving with Penske trucking out of a depot here in WV. His main loads have been aluminum coils and plate out of Kaiser as his company has a contract with them. But for years he worked for R&J Trucking and a independent operator Chris Drayer those were all mostly all frameless buckets.
I watched a real veteran truck driver roll one of those rigs over in Cheyenne, WY in 1993... dumping snow! Sad, sad day, the truck had 19 hours on it, the trailer was brand new and the driver retired right after. Beautiful blue W900 right here.
People in the comment section acting like they designed the truck and are experts when not one of them has been in a 2018 model dump, just like any tool it has it’s pros and cons. Great truck & dump system though, good shot of the truck while it’s still nice and shiny new
I wished all the dump sites I've dumped at were this level. I've had to dump in high winds, on sand, and soft spongy soil. They will tip, I never laid mine down, several close calls though. I pulled a box, not a barrel like the one in this video. The company I pulled for had a couple barrel beds. They're lighter weight and allows you to haul more material. Most of the time your paid by the weight, so you want a light weight trailer. My trailer had a 10' spread axle, which allowed us to scale more.
WHAT?? NO BODY HAS AN APPRECIATION FOR A SHINY 2 DOOR COUPE AND THE BIG BOY DUMP WAGGON, THOSE ARE BUILT FOR US BIG HIGHWAY LONG HAUL PROS , GLAD TO SEE A LOCAL PRO GETTING HIS ROCKS OFF ON THE WEEKEND. GOOD JOB CHRIS SHOW MORE KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK.
4 года назад
Randy Whelan I can believe how many People that Commented on how bad this setup is are uneducated on it. This setup meets Federal Bridge Law Formula/System Nationwide and isn’t Limited to a Few Local States that May Recognize it. It Can also Be Cheaper than a 5,6, or 7 Axle Setup If Done Right. It Is also more Versatile than a Dump Truck as it can Hook & Unhook to Different Trailers un Like a Dump Truck which is Limited to one Application and for Only Part of the Year.
I'm guessing by the lack of any type of narration that this truck has rendered you completely and utterly speechless !!!!! Haha. That is a sexy rig !!!
I knew a dirt contractor in South Ms that ran a lot of short frameless Palmer dump trailers. They used a single point suspension. They dumped pretty fast and were good off-road.
@ Yes, you got to be careful and evaluate your surroundings.For frameless I see four rear axle wheels teader tottering and during a dump, and only a third of the tires, contacting the ground vs eight or more wheels on the ground during dumping.Its a big difference .
4 года назад
William Brewer Funny thing is My Buddies Dad I Mentioned that always Griped about those damn Frameless(and how he would never own one) being unstable Rolled his 35' Ravens Frame Type Tri-Axle, and 1/4 Down the Road(their Farms are less than 1/4 apart) his Brothers Driver Rolled his 39' Mac Frameless Half Round like this one, Same Wrecker Company/Operator Came Out and Did Both Jobs in One Trip. The Frame Type Tri-Axle was on Better Ground than the Frameless was.
We run East Genesis frame dumps. Great trailers, but last week the sun reflected off the front of a trailer and melted the dash of the day cab tractor.
If the pay lift are enough to paid your bills. Why overload then? But we truckers indonesian in the opposite. Carrying more than 15tons wet sand in light truck :( Here if you want to watch. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qz7UMhcAVK4.html
@@criztaliz3413 In your country you can shit on the rules because there is no one who will hand demand that they be complied with, therefore it is that you are a developing country forever.
Ive been called out around 40 times to take care of lay overs.. flat ground and don't drive away while the bed is coming down.. almost every time the cylinder is destroyed.. at least he's being careful..
Thats a lot of weight on one axle when it tips. It looks nice and shiny new, but i wouldn't want to be next to it on a 5 degree grade or strong wind. To my mind it's a whole lot of problems waiting for an opportunity to show you.
This guy wouldn't dump on a 5 degree grade or in a strong wind.. To run a truck like that obviously you can't be just anyone that drives a truck you have to know what you're doing..
@@alastor5275 Well that would be the problem with it then wouldn't it? Whats the point of having a trailer that you may not be able to use when you get to a site. What if there was a soft spot under just one of those rear wheels, the whole thing would tip right over.
@@General_Confusion that's what I'm saying he probably picks and chooses his jobs and is more than willing to show of his shiny truck on nice level solid packed ground for the video!!!
In Virginia, don't know about NC, that trailer will haul 24.5 tons, compared to 18 - 20 tons for the quad. That's 20 percent per load, save a trip every 5 loads. Don't need to remove the tarp while dumping, the load is far below the top.
At 9:40 you can see how little the pile of gravel is and how big the trailer is. Does the driver keep the tarp covering the load so you can't see how little the trailer hauls? Otherwise, nice rig.
I see a lot of comments about these end dumps tipping over a lot. It's true they do but if you know what you are doing you won't have any problems with tipping. Been doing it for years and my father-in-law many more years neither one of us have laid a trailer over yet (knocking on wood lol)
4 года назад
So many comments on This Guys Truck & Trailer Setup. That setup is Universal & Meets Federal Bridge Law Formula/System (He Can Haul The Same Amount Coast to Coast, UnLike Those Dump Trucks) he is not Limited to one State's Bridge Law as he would be with a Tandem, Tri-Axle or Quad Axle Dump Truck. I'm sure he is hauling the same amount (25-26 Ton) as a Quad Axle Dump Truck, maybe a little more. As far as that Trailer Being Unstable, a 40' Frameless Trailers can be Less Stable, but I have seen 35' Tri-Axle Frame Type Trailers Tip Over To. Anytime you have 35-40' in the air you risk them rolling over whether it be a Frameless or a Frame Type Trailer. The ground you are dumping on & the weather outside is a Bigger Factor than the Trailer Type. I have experience with both types of Trailers.
Better call and alert the FAA when that thing dumps, a plane might fly into it ! But seriously, is there a benefit to this thing ? Load looks very small ? Thumbs up !
From what I can find it seems these types of frameless dump trailers are great for specific jobs with big loads on stable surfaces. Everyone here is saying they're unstable but the fact is any dump trailer can flip easy enough if you aren't on top of things. It doesn't take a genius to realize that that style of dump trailer doesn't replace smaller & more stable trucks. It's definitely not something you want to let a new guy run, that's for sure!
@@erikthered4929 But it will be used for the wrong purposes anyway because it's there and not being used elsewhere for it's intended purpose. You gotta allow for stupidity because it's gonna happen.
ErikTheRed any time you put an end dump up in the air you are at risk of tipping over. I have 40 yrs in the business and have only had one go over. The pin on the bottom of the scope broke and she was on her side in seconds
Man that is one nice setup also i would put a stainless steel double hinge for those mud flaps so they well never break or crack from all the lifting i have always done custom mud flaps with back up led lights in them they last and last. Great video SIR !
Guess he didn't have a lot of deliveries scheduled that day. How does he stay awake? He was pulling forward slow enough to think he was delivering eggs. Chris could've put his camera on pause for a while. Well, if he's the owner, guess he knows what he's doing w/ newer equipment like he has. Sweet KW.
Hobby trucking ? Nice idea sketched on the bar coaster, not so good in practice . Any hangup in the head generally results in a layover and you need a firm level surface to dump onto . Still, a pretty rig ! Keep'em comin' Chris !
By the time he gets the trailer all the way up your quad would have dumped and be back on the road going for another load. Probably doesnt haul much more then quad.
A lot of folks on here running their mouth without any experience pulling one of these trailers. I pull one identical to it every day and they have their place. I wouldn’t hesitate to unload where the ground is packed like in this video but I refuse to go anywhere slightly uneven or wet. And as far as payload, he’s probably got 25-30t on. Big upside to frameless aluminum dumps is they’re very lightweight. His tare weight is most likely around 28k. So he’s making more money than the guys pulling frame trailers. And the comments about it being a waste having that big of a trailer for such a small load is bs because in trucking you don’t go by cubic capacity you go by weight. He’s hauling the same as anybody else it just looks like a small pile because of density of product. Reason for this long of a trailer is he can then go load corn, beans etc and still get a load on.
I'll take bottom dumps every time. They keep moving while dumping hence twice as many loads as an end dump trailer. In situations where there isn't room dumps are fine. But it was a nice ride.
Brian Gardiner I get where you’re coming from but it’s so common for the drivers to not put in the pin and have the thing dump 30 tons of dirt on a highway. We don’t hire anything but tri-axles anymore because of it, just not worth the headache.
Brian Gardiner I misspoke, sorry, I meant the safety chains to keep the gate shut. Haven’t seen the things in a long time. Malfunctions in the gate and operator error caused enough of our brokered trucks to accidentally dump that we stopped running them. We don’t run our own trucks so we just stopped hiring them since the mess was still attributable to our jobs. With good drivers I can see them being great but good truck drivers are in short supply in my area.
damn little payload for such a big trailer. In Europe, we have four-axle trucks which are only half as long and take away a similar sized pile. This bling bling thing has a turning radius like a jumbo jet with this wheelbase. Totally impractical
Pretty truck, but if you want to move material try a Michigan train or a Quad dump with a 6 axle wiggle wagon. If you have the right stuff you can straight dump the wagon and pull thru the front dump on a grade jub like this one
great configuration for a perfectly prepped landing zone. Not sure I would try a dump on an unstable work site in the middle of nowhere. that could go so wrong in a heartbeat.
I can see the mudflaps being ripped off the trailer in the back while hauling stone. Make a note of the size of the hydraulic hose that goes to the lift cylinder for the trailer can you imagine how many gallons of fluid must go through that relatively small hose to extend that cylinder and then back through the hose back into the tank.
Frameless is for light materials typically dumped at established unloading points that are gravel/concrete/asphalt. For dirt and rock use a 26 foot framed rock trailer.
That is aNice Looking Ride, I new this Guy who had a 1976 model with a 30/36 frame dump Triaxle , 425 Cat,5X4 all Prettyed up Paid for !! and Whamo Whamo had to give it up !!!
Didn't look like much of a pile for such a big long trailer! I guess they are long for the bridge law. That's some nice looking rigs. Big jobsite. Keep diggin😎
its shiney... but is it worth it? slow to turn around, slow to dump, slower to lower, sketchy as frig when dumping, and can really only carry a little more then a quad axle, and likely less then a truck and trailer, legally out this way it would be limited to 74,500# because axle spacing where a t+t with enough axles could go to 105,500, and be safer... its shiney though.
Looks nice just seems as its the wrong application for that rig. That 5 axle dump you have filmed can probably make circles around him. Now for mulch bring that rig on.
