@@mxx996 Turbo threshold is at what minimum RPM you can expect the turbo to reasonably spool up. So take a Fiat Abarth for example, its turbo threshold is about 2.5K rpm, below which the turbo isn't doing much. However, at say 4K rpm, when going on and off the throttle, you'll see the turbo spools pretty much instantly with almost no lag as its not that large a turbo. The result is that it has a relatively high turbo threshold but low turbo lag.
@@mxx996 the RPM range of effective boost is the turbo threshold. Turbo lag is the latency between off to on throttle where the turbo has to get back up to speed to create the boost. For threshold think big turbo supra, they dont make any power until like 4500 rpm where they suddenly gain boost pressure and make a lot of power. This is because the turbo used is calibrated to flow more air than a small turbo and needs higher exhaust flow to get to the boost providing speeds. On the contrary the turbo lag doesnt always rely on the size of a turbo as it relates to system pressure. When off throttle the turbo isnt spinning from exhaust gases and needs to accelerate. During this time no boost is being made. When throttle is applied the pressure in the intake system is quickly used and not replaced with boost from the turbo. This gives the feeling of "lag" from when you press the pedal to when the car is making full power. Lag can be limited with close turbo placement to the engine block, like the BMW M5 and M3 engines where they are in the "V" of the V8 and a part of the i6 exhaust manifold respectively. Or active systems like anti-lag. Long explanation but hope I could help.
I test drove one of these a month ago in the rain and I absolutely loved it! Ik I’d get hate for not choosing the V8 but I thoroughly enjoyed my drive and would very much consider getting one. Not many ppl will be able to realistically use the over 400HP in an SS on roads without getting in trouble so this is a great middle weight option for American muscle cars
Screw the hate, the car looks cool and they have decent mods for it. Fun daily driver, good on gas. I get tons of head turns with mine and the cold air intake and BOV sounds really nice on it. I couldn’t recommend the 4cyl camaro enough its really slept on
400-500 hp is easy useable daily driving accelerating from a light without braking traction, getting on to a highway quicker, changing lanes, those small pulls you do when no one’s around. That power range is probably the sweet spot honestly for a daily or weekend car. Now 600hp+ is where you start to get into trouble without trying. To be fair most people get the v8 for the sound and feeling it gives you.
@@bricklayerlzdp9825 100% agreed the only thing that makes me not want the ecotech is that amazing V8 rumble (especially if you cam it out and throw on a borla 🥵)
@@bricklayerlzdp9825 you definitely don't have a 400-500hp lol. You think a 5.0 gt isn't or a ss isn't fast enough to get you in trouble? And it doesn't break traction when you floor it on the green light huh
Loving these Camaro vids. I bought a 2.0t last September and absolutely LOVE it. I did a test drive in the 4 cyl, v6, and v8 and the 2.0t was a no brainer. Don't get me wrong - the SS was the most fun to drive. The v6 sucked - has less torque than the 2.0t and I felt like my v6 honda accord could run laps around it. I tested the 2.0t last.... I was sold as soon as I put the pedal down. Not only did I save over $10k compared to the price of the SS, I'm continuing to save on gas (34mph avg highway on cruise, 22 avg in city... and that's because I have a heavy foot) and reduced maintenance costs over time. The 2.0t is an excellent daily driver and a hell of a lot of fun when you can let her open up. 0-60 time blows my mind. Even when you reach 100mph she's still begging for more... couldn't be happier with my purchase.
I’ve got that v6 accord coupe now. The 9th Gen, great car, great interior and pretty comfortable. But something in the driving leaves me wanting more. Would you really say the 2.0t Camaro was a solid switch over?
@@bremenclermont3713 The 4 banger Camaro is a legit sports car...in fact it's a full on sports car, front mounted mid engine, with 295 foot pounds of torque...the handling is elite...mine is FBO with a Spec stage 1 clutch and aluminum flywheel....ditch the Honda.
About time someone reviewed this specific model of Camaro. Good job guys. And yes, please do a track battle with this, the BRZ track spec model and the Focus ST. That would be great and would get tone of views. No k e track battled the 1LT 1 LE 2.0 against anything. Cheers and hello from Seattle.
@@josephandreuccetti8043 Most cars will smash a brz lol My ST will and makes me smile more than a BRZ I've driven a couple of em and idk, just not a fan
Car and Driver did a Lightning Lap comparison which included a similarly priced Camaro Turbo 1LE and a BRZ. The Camaro was 10 seconds quicker! 3:04 & 3:14 second lap times.
@@Dolby109 agreed, particularly when relatively cheap cars like the Veloster N and Civic come with adjustable dampers now. However, it is rather amusing that he perceived a difference in ride quality! Lol!
On the 2017 and later manual Camaros, you can do no lift or power shifting, the transmissions have an algorithm supporting that, doing that at WOT will keep the car in boost and greatly improve response and acceleration.
I wish Europe had more cars like these. Muscle-ish car pushing 200+ hp for a decent price? Sign me up. Should not complain about a 4 cyl. There aren´t many RWD ballsy cars around at this pricepoint, we should praise these things.
You know the 4cyl would cost in over 40k. The V6 would cost over 50 thousand dollars if it was sold in Europe. SS 1le almost 100 thousand dollars but probably in the high 80s. And the ZL1 1LE would cost over 100 thousand dollars. If all of those vehicles are brand new.
People complain constantly that cars are too expensive, That manuals are going away, that everyone only makes suvs now... then Chevy and ford give us great handling, stick shift enthusiast cars with iconic name plates and styling... and everyone makes fun of them for not having v8s. It’s sad really. I bet this car would smoke an early 2000s z28 with the “legendary” ls1 on a race track. It’s probably a simple tune away from beating it on the drag strip too. I love v8s they are awesome, I’ve had many! But let’s not bash manufacturers or stigmatize vehicles when they actually give us performance cars... that’s how we end up with a Mitsubishi Eclipse suv.
Great review. I love this car precisely because it will be HATED by Camero fans while being panned/overlooked by those in the hot hatch market. Prime example of an MBA exec making a business case for a car that ultimately nobody will want or buy. I love it! I would have never known about it if it wasn’t for you guys! Thank you! Very honest fair review. I’d consider buying it for the following reasons, ; 1) It’s cheap - only $30K 2) it’s a turbo - gives you that fun extra little pull. 3) It’s a standard/manual transmission. 4) I won’t kill myself by being tempted with 600+ HP of the V8. 5) Great fuel economy. 6) Most importantly however I expect there will be VERY low demand for this vehicle.
My problem as a hot hatch guy is the size. The Camaro is a bit of a boat in comparison. If I was to design my dream Camaro I'd get this same car but with the v6 with a twin turbo (please Chevy). If I'm gonna buy a large car I want large car power but I also don't want 600 horsepower. I want something around like 350-400 horsepower at the very most. Honestly though if anyone put out a twin turbo v6 manual with a sport suspension I'd buy it in a heartbeat. If Ford made a mustang with the SHO engine and the performance package id buy it in a heartbeat. Here's to hoping whatever Nissan is working in the replace the decrepit 370z is a hit because other than looking and feeling like a car from a decade ago and being naturally aspirated it's exactly what I'm looking for.
@@pfitz9346 Get an ATS-V. It's basically a luxury Camaro with a TT V6. The hilarious part is everyone said they should have just thrown the LT1 V8 into it.
@@Dolby109 thanks for the tip man I'll look into it Edit: shit there's 1 only a couple miles from here with a manual transmission. I'm gonna look into it.
Going to be honest, a v4/v6 Camaro is the best bang for your buck if you want a fun sports car. They’re the most affordable Compared to everything else on the market.
I ***LOVE*** your intros. I haven't even watched the rest of the video yet, but I had to say that. They are genius. I just don't even understand how you constantly have such clever, well executed new ideas. How do you not run out of ideas? How??? Incredible job. Okay, now to actually watch the rest of the video :D
Honestly if it were in anything else but a Camaro it would be considered a pretty fast car. Chevy should use that engine in something like a sedan or hatch.
This is actually a really good and honest review. Everybody should consider this low-end Camaro with enthusiasm and respect. I'm impressed of how GM is looking forward to our near future and tries to change it's image for the next/younger following generations. Just keep in mind guys that this car company was founded in 1908.
@@nickhonor9808 Sad 😢 for real as a Chevy car guy ! Perhaps, there’s gonna be a lot of good used ones available for a decent price in a couple of years in my opinion. Peace bro!
I gotta admit, I drove a 4-cylinder 2018 camaro and I honestly love it! It the only thing I can afford. If people can’t afford v8 then you have option with v4 or v6. Also v4 are pretty quick. It not fast but it pretty quick.
You guys should seriously consider the v6 1le for a review. I have been searching for a review of that car but I'm just finding reviews on the 4 cylinder 1le. The v6 sounds a lot better and has 335 bhp. I test drove that cat and it was crazy fun.
I was raised in a world where Camaros and Mustangs haf to have 8 cylinders. But times change. These days, I don't need a roaring beast that guzzled gas and shakes windows as I pass. I've got nothing to prove. A reliable, maneuverable car, with decent trunk space, and enough power to handle mountain roads and passing on the highway are what I need. Add to that decent fuel economy, and this looks like it could be a winner. Could be... Couple issues I'm noticing are driver position and visibility. Those narrow window slits are questionable, and not having a place to rest your arm could be problematic. I'd like to compare it to the Ecoboost Mustang. I know, I know, but it's 2020, and the big three have scaled waaay back on car production. From Chevy, all they offer are the Volt, Malibu, and Camaro. Ford has the Ecosport and the Mustang. Getting a 4cyl in those models is getting to be your only options for an affordable, fuel efficient daily.
... A Malibu SS perhaps. Too bad Chevrolet is trimming down their car platforms plus, Chevy really never had a wrx or Si competitor...the hhr/cobalt SS doesn't count.
They did it was called the 2008 - 2010 Cobalt SS. Included Ecotech Turbo 4 with man trans and 4 piston Brembo in front. Base HP/TQ was 260/260. You could get more via Chevy performance pack (actually added performance unlike Frod PP gimmicks) I believe this was good for 290+ HP/TQ. Came in coupe or sedan. It was the fastest Front Drive car (currently number 211 on C&D list) for several years until the Honda Civic Type R came along. www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15152055/2008-chevrolet-cobalt-ss-first-drive-review/ and www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/
I like it. I like V8 alot, but there are a lot of advantages, it is quiet, has better fuel consumption, easier to maintain, and here where I'm from it will be cheaper to ensure, it is still a Camaro, looks agressive and sporty, and has a 6 speed manual transmission. For me, this is perfect.
There’s a real argument to be had for less powerful cars you can really run out on the street. I’d say sub 400hp, light weight, and it’s a perfect recipe for street driving.
Performance Driver's Society depends on where you live and what you do. In my town there’s a lot of highway racing where it’s easy to use 800hp on the highway at 2am doing roll races starting at 80mph.
I completely agree with you, but most (generally speaking) internet people swear they are pushing the limits of every car on the street even those with 400-700bhp. That's simply not true 99.9% of the time, the road surface isn't good enough for that, traffic, police, ROOM to run, etc etc etc. I think most people would have far more fun in a car with 180-300bhp and reasonable weight (2500-3200lbs) if they were completely honest with themselves.
C&D Lightning Lap results at VIR - Ecoboost = 3:15.6 and Camaro Turbo 1LE = 3:05.6 or ~ 10 seconds difference over 4.2 mile road course. I'd call that a win for Camaro.
The EcoBoost 4cyl was the mid tier engine package back when the v6 Mustang was still around. The camaro goes 4cyl, v6, v8. The mustang goes v6, 4cyl, v8. The EcoBoost would be competing with the v6 1Le, not this model.
I didn't quite understand the segment of the market for this car (not hating on the car AT ALL)......UNTIL you mentioned the BRZ/86 crowd. That's actually an incredibly interesting comparison, and one I'd LOVE to see take place. It's a difficult car to push to people as they usually associate these bodies (including the Mustang) with v8 soundtracks....but that doesn't make the 4cyl cars wrong. Fascinating perspective, I'd have never thought about that comparison. Good on you gents to bring it up!
@@covertpetersen2573 would you like to elaborate? It's not the first time the cars have had 4cyl engines, and it's not like the cars are garbage. What is your disagreement with, just sound? I myself wouldn't buy one with anything other than a V8 but that is because I would ONLY buy one those cars at all to get a V8 engine. Not that they should only come with that engine, but I wouldn't care if the cars had been made before at all if it wasn't for the engine. The 4cyl engine is a good one, the v6 is actually quite good in these cars, but a car like the amazing GT350 is ONLY amazing to me because I can't get that engine in anything else. If it didn't have that then I don't need to know it exists, but MANY other people DO like the car for itself not just for the engine. It's hard to describe what I'm saying, but think of it like this if it helps. A Miata isn't special because of its engine, it's special because of the car itself whereas I don't care at all about these cars because they're huge, heavy as heck, and don't drive the way I love to drive....but I do care about their engine. Other people just love the cars, and to them these engines are great, and I agree with them.
@@Kamukix than go buy a BRZ, 370Z, Stinger, miata, genesis coupe, etc. No car with a muscle car nameplate should be bought with less than 8 cylinders, full stop. They're embarrassing. This also applies to the i4 Mustang, and V6 dodges.
@@covertpetersen2573 I am not buying either a Mustang nor Camaro unless it's a full on track car. They have zero appeal to me, but I think they're cool. They are not muscle cars they're pony cars, and honestly they have been SPORTS cars for quite a while now as they actually handle, stop, and in general do everything well instead of just make a bit of power and noise. GM and Ford are surely aware of this which is why they are as they are now. Either way I mean, the Mustang was a secretary car at the beginning but lots of people forget that haha. I don't mean to sound argumentative so I hope you're not reading my words harshly like an internet kid would be saying them (I'm 39 and very much not a kid haha). I'm simply asking the WHY instead of just the answer, know what I mean? There are cars where I believe they should ABSOLUTELY have only one type of engine in them, but I have reasons why I believe it so (specifically anything that's a Mazda RX-? because the engine is literally the name of the car). I'm curious how you feel about the upcoming Corvette (or the last Ford GT) not having the engine people are used to seeing in them? What happens when a car reaches a point that in order to go faster, they HAVE to change things that people assumed would never change?
@@covertpetersen2573 btw, the v6 Challenger absolutely does suck lol. That is waaaaay too much car for that poor engine, and it's also the ONLY American car left that is a muscle car (in my humble opinion) though if they put the money into a supercharged/turbo'd v6 as a base I guess that'd work...but it'd likely cost more than developing the V8, so...
I'm more of a Ford guy so you'd think it would make me all warm and fuzzy to see the Camaro's design department bomb so hard. It doesn't. I might have cried a little...
@@studio-flash I'm sure it performs well; it's on an amazing platform, and has reduced frontend weight. I just cant get over the front fascia. If all iterations of the Camaro had the ZL1's looks I think they would be golden.
One thing Chevy needs to look at is how it sells them. The packages are so confusing if you are trying to build one on the website every check box you click changes everything. Its so confusing you never know where you are actually at. I just gave up.
OK, for those of us that bought and enjoy our Ecoboost's or 1LT's. How about a performance review of the two together. Or even add the BRZ if you choose not to have a North American car in last place. Keep up the good work. Cheers
@@jamesengelsman9369 I remember my first track day I had a Trans am with a ton of power, and got lapped by a stock Miata. Driver skill is the most important if you want to go fast.
I am looking forward to a track battle! No one had really pushed this version of this car on track yet. Track battle this vs, BRZ, vs, Type r? Oh also Mustang has the PP1 option for its ecoboost!
I was thinking same thing as you. BRZ,TypeR??? Ecoboost Mustang PP1...Hello guyz LOL, frig you can use my car to for it, i'm just down the road from y'all
Type R is not price competitive, and at that higher price you could go V6 or V8 on the Camaro. BRZ would be left in the dust, not really performance competitive. Ecoboost Mustang and Veloster N would be good options.
@@BoopSnoot I more mean the Type R in the way that its the relatively top dog right now. it punches above its weight, and to add it would be to see how it compares to it on track! Yes i could have got a turbo 1le and not the type r and i would have saved about 8 grand, but also the type R resale is amazing! Whatever they do test it will be awesome and i cant wait!
@@MLeeder53 That's actually a misconception, at least in Texas. The Type R's are selling with no manufacturer rebates at full MSRP around here. This is verifiable by doing a TMV search where they put together all the recorded sales for an average, and you see they go for $36,620. No discounts on new means higher resale values on old, but you didn't SAVE any money because you paid full MSRP. GM is the exact opposite, by setting MSRPs that are far above their true sale price in order to make consumers feel like they got a "good deal". A Camaro I4 with the track package by contrast has an average TMV of $26,118 after $1500 in incentives and a selling price not only well below MSRP but well below invoice. This means that used vehicles will sell for cheaper than new ones (duh) but appear to have massive depreciation from MSRP... but nobody pays MSRP. So to compare a $26K version of the Camaro real street price with a $36.5K Civic real street price makes no sense, and would make the Civic seem better than it truly is. After all, the Edmunds TMV for a SS Couple with the track package after incentives is $36,630, almost identical in price to the Type R, and I think we know the Type R would not be able to hang.
The front is definitely a step back. Not a fan. Not a fan of the 4cyl either. I'd look at the V8 against the V8's competitors. But if I was looking at the 4cyl then I'd just get a hot hatch. I genuinely don't like a 4cyl Camaro...
Bro everyone complaining and being negative, cars 10 years ago were nothing compared to what you get out of the box now.. I think Chevy did a solid job with this option.
link nelson 10years? You meant 30yr, in last ten years almost nothing changed, my freaking lexus from 2006 offers more then most modern cars :-) and my 11' camaro still looks better then new ones and drives almost the same... if anything cars got fatter and thats about that.
@@wykydytron no way man, the suspension and chassis from the new Camaros are definitely an upgrade from the previous model.. not comparing to Lexus mainly the American car options. But what I was pointing out for example the 1LE SS puts better lap times down the Z28.. Z28 also had more HP and it was lighter, but the alpha platform is a machine. Comparing apples to apples when it comes to options. Nothing against your 11 man, but this 1LT would probably do a little better on The track. Edit and if you bought your Lexus brand new it probably was the same price if not a little more than the Camaro when it comes to price relativity comparing what 30k is now compared to 2007
Nobody today still knows about this car because it started on production of the pandemic era. And everyone stayed quarantine at home 3 years. Only a few cars produced in USA.
BRZ is too slow to be a contender, Type R is too expensive (might as well compare it to V6 or V8 then), but the Mustang Ecoboost and Veloster N are price competitive.
@@BoopSnoot I mean I know it's "slow" but again, that is not the point of the car lol. No one complains about a Miata being slow. It is the best handling car south of 50k. So you trade smiles for Drag time. Plus I might be far more livable than the Camaro above.
I've been thinking about a 4 cyl camaro a lot, i dont really need 455 horse power for the street or all the cost that come with it, right now i have the turbo cobalt ss and its a blast
Would love to see this compared to some hot hatches or the brz like you mentioned. Also to the eco boost mustang. I see this car as almost a modern 240sx or s15 etc.
I would like to see you do a head to head, with the Mustang ecoboost performance pack. I like this Camaro, and think it would be fun with all the bolt ons, tuned. Even put a bigger turbo, making 400+ whp. The 4 banger Camaro definitely doesn"t get even close to as much hate as the 4 banger Mustang LOL. I wonder why?
Ultimately it’s the car you get when you can’t afford the higher price tag, gas, and insurance that comes with the ss + models. A cool car for younger enthusiast getting there foot in the door but still want the looks.
The ecoboost mustang gets shit but everyone loves this? Gotta love it. It does have 310 horsepower and 350 lb ft of torque Oh shit I actually got people to debate things. V8s are better for the record, I was just surprised how much more power the mustang has
Nobody actually likes this car or the Ecoboost or the sad v6 charger/challenger. Anybody considering one of those 3 cars should look elsewhere or save up for the V8.
@@ELITEViRuZz yea all it has going for itself is a loud V8 engine, but besides that a V6 Camaro or Mustang will out perform it in every way possible. Power to weight ratio is off
These 4 cylinder Camaros could not keep up with the Z28s or the SSs of the 4th gens. It makes the same amount of power as a 93-95 Z28 but not the torque. In 96, the 5.7 went to 285hp 305-310hp(in the SS), and in 99, the Z28 made 305hp standard before the SS treatment.
Clone895 damn here in europe 17' ss goes for around 60k usd...my 2011 v6 rs cost me about 23k usd last year... must be nice to live in country where everything is so cheap :-)
@@wykydytron That's crazy... My car's sticker price with options (mag ride, NPP exhaust, etc) was about $50K... Just did a quick search and found a 2013 2LT Hot Wheels edition for S15.5K with ~40k miles. I didn't realize how expensive American cars were overseas... Then again European cars aren't terribly cheap over here :P
Is it wrong for me to think a small displacement naturally aspirated V8 of 4.0L, or less would be an exciting alternative. It would make 300 hp easy, and it would have usable power for most drivers, and still sound good. Not to say that only a V8 sounds good, but for a muscle car that the Camaro is known to be it NEEDS that rumble.
The V6 offers over 300 hp and has a very raunchy sound even in the stock LT packages. It's an excellent engine and outperforms plenty of the V8s of the last few years.
@@Mario-tl7ff Yeah, no. I disagree. Subaru's have way too many issues under the hood, blowing gaskets and oil issues being two of them. Honda is the way to go here.
@@TheZebadon I was a Honda guy for years before I switched to Subaru. Hondas are great, but just like any car they break if you don't know how to build and tune then correctly. It's the lack of torque and FWD that make Hondas inferior to Subarus.
@@Mario-tl7ff it's not the lack of torque it's fwd for the majority of Honda's cars & I much rather Honda's 2.0T engine vs Subarus 2.0T, however I rather even have the Honda Civic type R over the Subaru WRX STI. Yeah a FWD Honda absolutely destroys your glorified Subie
£23,821 ($30,000) for this Camaro...wow...why have a crappy hot hatch when you can have this. For the exhaust..get an exhaust for it. Looks alone knock hot hatches for six. RS is rallye sport.
Cianski the 6th gen Camaro RS 1LE (V6) makes 335HP which is about 30 more than the Civic, and it also has the track package. Around a track it’s about as fast as an M2. The RS V6 does 0-60 in 5.0 which is about 0.2 seconds faster than the Type R, but the Type R will handle slightly better. So I think it would be a close comparison. Except the Type R costs like $8K more than the Camaro.
Nexus Hexus the Camaro in the video is the I4 Camaro 1LE, the RS 1LE with the V6 makes 335HP and has no turbo lag, and is also built for the track. How is the Civic not in the same world? The Civic is significantly lighter and probably stiffer so that’s about all it has going for it.
The 2018-2019 V6 Camry has 301hp and does 0-60 in 5.7-5.8 seconds. Please don’t let a Camry smoke this Camaro. Still thinking of the cool Red Camaro in the show Simon and Simon.
I bought a turbo 4 for my gf, and then I kept the car after we broke up. I have done 0-60 in 5.1 and 5.2 seconds repeatedly, on level ground of course, plus I outrun a stock 2008 Bullit Mustang and held a car length on him all the way to 140 mph before traffic made us slow down. These cars are not slow, and they corner like a dream. I would take my '16 turbo 4 Camaro any day of the week over the '96 Z28 I had.
