2019 CRF1000L Africa Twin DCT | Our First Ride and Review

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The time has come! Mark has waited ages and ages to get his hands on one of these beauties! Did he like it? Will it replace his GSA?
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@zukib 5 лет назад

Nice video. It took me 21 years of riding before I got my first Honda, a 2017 NC750S DCT. It is now in the shop being traded for an adventure sports DCT. Like your friend illuded to, I'll never not have a DCT again. The adaptive response on throttle input, the automatic downshift on downhill when slowing, for engine braking, the constant forward drive on gravel when upshifting and the effortless city stop and go stuff. It is just amazing.

@RiderCamTV 5 лет назад

great stuff, enjoy and ride safe :)

@haydentaylor66 5 лет назад

I watch so many motovlogs/ reviews but it seem strange to be watching one that's on roads I drive every day and that in this one you go right past my farm. Great video

@brettfisher6758 5 лет назад

Great video as always. I took a test ride on that bike, a couple of weeks ago. Have ordered one in that colour from Damerells. Great bike, great deal, can't wait to pick it up.😁

@quesadilla79 3 года назад

just got one, thanx for the great breakdown of the bike and its features.

@JohnCarr43 5 лет назад

Great video guys, worth mentioning that you can fully override the DCT in manual mode so you stay in a chosen gear, or drop down the gears to increase engine braking. Combining this with the engine braking settings this offers really good control if you want to a more manual feel to yor riding.

@marklloyd4153 5 лет назад

Fantastic review u guys ,& such fun with the two of you. DCT u mentioned automatic. It’s more in common with a manual that is shifted via a computer. It excels at shifting quick up the gears like u mentioned because the bike is running in one gear being held by one arm . The other Arm has the next gear ready to shift up . That’s y upsshifts occur so quick. A week point is when riding and suddenly excelling with the throttle the second arm has to displace the higher gear that’s waiting to come into play & switch down to the appropriate lower gear . That takes a second or two. Great review again love the laughs . Nothing says my day is starting of great like waking up to another fun rider cam video . Can’t wait to experience your company’s tours with u guys .i can c how absolutely fun your tours r .

@RiderCamTV 5 лет назад

Hey Mark, thanks so much for the kind words, we try to keep them light hearted and love having fun and laughing too..... thanks also for the info on the DCT function, every day is a learning day :)

@LookattheBiggerPic 5 лет назад

Oops, wrong specs listed in the beginning... Good review and ride footage - thanks so much!

@peterj9064 5 лет назад

I agree with some previous comments. Had the crosstourer dct, loved it but it’s heavy when the engine isn’t helping. Changed to the AT AS dct a year ago and absolutely love it. Use the accelerator a bit more aggressively and the dct drops down accordingly. You can even ride quite hard in “drive”. I will take some persuading to change from dct.

@digger8180 5 лет назад

Nice review gents, I must try one of these✌

@micahjohnson5675 5 лет назад

Brilliant Fellas keep up the great work. :)

@marktaylor148 5 лет назад

I bought the NON DCT adventure sport, best bike I have had. And I have had many. Great fun to ride, great off road. Do wish I just tried the DCT first. Maybe next time...

@exeterrider 5 лет назад

Great review again. I love the twin. More than the GS. Not tried the Dct though. I had a suzuki burgman 650 years ago that had a simular set up. Thanks

@MrKdr500 5 лет назад

Burgman is CVT not DCT.....totally different.

@mickvincent7357 5 лет назад

Just add fuel to your fire, I have my second AT DCT, this time the Adventure Sports, I fitted McCruise for touring, works like an OEM part. FYI the DCT also responds to your riding style, ie faster throttle inputs = holds onto gears longer, gentle = early up changes, lots of fun. The perfect quick shifter!

@Rayk76 4 года назад

Mind if I ask u if it wheelies in dct mode !

@russcoaus2043 4 года назад

Nice bike great review thank you 🤠🇦🇺👍

@svendusmcveteraner 4 года назад

Thank You for a nice Review On short maneuvers on a DCT bike with lean mixture injection it is god and often necessary to put a finger on the brake to get full control! in Drive mode you can kick down one or two gears and you are automatically in a sort of sport mode and the engine stay longer in the lower gears the handbrake are a must on a DCT but it is very easy to forget to switch it off 😜 Motor braking downhill you switch to manual mode and the gearbox stay in low gear braking pressing one time with the right thumb and you are back to normal automatic again

@IanTed 4 года назад

Love my GSA but I wish it had DCT, interesting to see what the new 1100 AT will have, hopefully cruise control and tubeless tyres, a few GS owners might be tempted?

@RiderCamTV 5 лет назад

Sorry about the mistake in the panel at the beginning. Its 1000cc not 649... Big fingers a a small keyboard sorry! Ride safe.

@domster200 5 лет назад

Better than that! A version with HFT, shaft and tubeless rims. All existing Honda designs.

@SBKPete 5 лет назад

Tip for the DCT: If you’re about to overtake a vehicle, try popping it into manual, drop down a couple of gears, accelerate past the vehicle whilst using your forefinger to change up; and once past the vehicle, pop it back into auto. Job done. Great review guys as always 👏🏻

@stevebolton8471 5 лет назад

SBKPETE you don’t need to pop it into manual to do that. Punch it down a couple of gears which is one gear change for each clutch and open the throttle. That’s it. After a few seconds of normal throttle the bike will resume normal operation and change up. If you snap the throttle wide the bike will do it all anyway, just takes a couple of seconds longer. (Based on my NC750X)

@SBKPete 5 лет назад

Steve Bolton: Hi Steve, I find that if I’m in drive mode, changing down a couple of gears whilst in auto and then accelerating past a car, the bike will change up once again too soon. Putting it in full manual mode for a few seconds, puts you in complete control of when you want to change gear. It may be different in one of the three Sport modes, but I tend to ride the bike in D mode for the fuel economy.

@stevebolton8471 5 лет назад

SBKPETE Yes I always ride in D mode too but I don’t find it changes up to soon for me, interesting that it’s too soon for you.

@lynsmith1096 5 лет назад

Good review again guys. I don't know if I could handle clutch less bike. Mark you said you did the off road course you must have been in my area of Wales

@RiderCamTV 5 лет назад

Lyn Smith yes I did. Its an amazing course.

@seanpurcell9056 5 лет назад

Iv got honda 1200 crosstourer dct and fitted foot shift as well got best of both worlds surely they have the same on Africa twin they should make a touring version of the africa twin with shaft if they stop making the honda 1200 crosstourer be a good idea for honda p.s try a honda 1200 v4 crosstourer dct

@vuelco1 5 лет назад

All my time since 1964 had a 50 yamaha enduro 4 gear, than road trial, cross, enduro, 1972 cb 750 hoda hamber color up to right now, love to take this bike and just fly down 15 meter stairs just to see how the body structure manufacture is. after flying and landing 8 meter than the rest of the stairs than I just stop and hear the bike motor, body, wheel , tires everything you know that if u are a 50 year experience bike rider the first thing you want to here is the all bike sound.........

@MrKdr500 5 лет назад

"don't have time to mess around with a chain" i did 30,000km's on my first Africa twin DCT & the chain never needed adjusting...it's not hard to carry a small can of chain lube and lube it every couple of days....DCT is very gentle on the chain and sprockets. My second africa twin is the 30th anniversary adventure sport and i've already put 18,000km's on it touring, my daily ride is a 790 duke which has 21,000km's on it so far.

@cliveevans5755 5 лет назад

Hi Mark, Toby, really enjoyed the review. I am so tempted to have this or the adventure sports as my next bike especially as I want to do some longer tours both uk & abroad. However would be really interested on your views (especially being tour guides) on the fly in the ointment for me...tubed tyres? Quite happy to adjust a chain but don't think I would want to be changing a tube at the side of the road after a nail/screw in tyre . Is it a case of hope some tyre weld can temporary fix it or a call to Honda roadside assistance (if indeed punctures are covered)? Atb Safe riding Clive

@RiderCamTV 5 лет назад

clive evans hiya! I’m not sure riding with tubeless tyres is an issue abroad in Europe. There is possibly more chance of a repair with a tubeless than without. Ride safe.

@roadglide 5 лет назад

Scooter this! DCT is here to stay. Build it they will come.

@RiderCamTV 5 лет назад

they will and its fabulous too :)

@Ravan_Caw 5 лет назад

Fantastic review as always. Will you be introducing your new camera person ? and will you be going for a sound man / woman and an outside broadcasting van with Laura Kuenssberg in the back. As always great fun it rally makes my Sunday.

@RiderCamTV 5 лет назад

Ravan Caw , Ha! Possibly not on both counts. Ride safe.

@plymouthjanner8940 5 лет назад

I've had the Crosstourer DCT for 12 months now and absolutely love it, V4 1200 and a shaft drive. Try it you won't be disappointed.

@grayjohn1906 5 лет назад

How do you get on with the weight when stopped, or slow speed manoeuvres and u turns? I was considering a crosstourer but have been put off a bit, after hearing of people dropping the bike at petrol stations etc.

@plymouthjanner8940 5 лет назад

I'm 6'2 so not a problem. When I purchased the bike it had a low seat fitted on it, my shorter friends had no trouble at all when they tried it and said it was very easy to manoeuvre for it's size.

@JustForFun-zh7cy 4 года назад

Great vid - thank u. BUT. The sound! Watching on a Macbook Pro on full volume and its a struggle

@gcprost 4 года назад

I understand your reservations about chains. I spent the last 10 years on a HD Road King. I'm loving my AT, I'll put up with the chain.

@raul-qi6xp 2 года назад

I'm curious what the issue with the chain is? I didn't understand what they were saying. Thanks!

@gcprost 2 года назад

@@raul-qi6xpThere is nothing wrong with chains but they do require regular cleaning, lubrication, and adjustment. You will aso have to replace the chain and at somepoint. With belts and shaft drive you virtually have no maintenace and no expenses until you have logged rediculous mileage.

@raul-qi6xp 2 года назад

@@gcprost oh it is just a concern with chains in general. I didn't even know shaft drives existed. Anyway thanks for the info

@craigt001 5 лет назад

After having DCT Crosstourers for the last four years, (which I love), I've ordered A trI-colour Africa Twin Adventure Sport DCT after having a 400mile demonstration ride. An amazing bike, so much fun. (But its got a chain!!) See you on Tour in September Toby!

@wilshirewarrior2783 5 лет назад

That cross traffic gives me the willies.

@kendavidson9954 4 года назад

watch the video and thought that is for me had nc750 dct and loved it but like the afriscan even more did 1k miles in 3weeks

@stevebolton8471 5 лет назад

I never waste fuel with sport modes on the NC750X, I just use the paddles when I need to tell the DCT I am going to overtake if room is restricted. Or if there is time I snap the throttle open and wait a second longer for the bike to pick up. 84mpg over 8k+ miles.

@RiderCamTV 5 лет назад

Steve Bolton thats pretty cool mpg. Ride safe.

@MrJojo2go 5 лет назад

I want one but for now I have the CTX DTC 700 2019 I should went for the Africa 🇨🇦🇵🇭🇺🇸😶🙃👍👍👍 it was weird for me to see you driving on the wrong side because I am in the USA

@JakeStrada 5 лет назад

I have the 2015 NC750X DCT the issue I found with the dct model i have is that the 6th gear can be quite clunky, but no doubt will have been sorted and smoothed out by now. I love the dct, took a bit of getting used too, but now i wouldn't go back to a manual bike. I don't ride in D mode at all, always the S mode which i alot more responsive. I did hear that the 2017 africa there was an issue with the dct where it kept stalling in 1st gear, but haven't heard anything more on it

@MrKdr500 5 лет назад

i had a 17' model and it would stall if you "blipped" the throttle too quick but it would also do it in neutral...it was a fueling issue nothing to do with DCT, easily solved by rolling the throttle on smoothly.

@TheJmebe 5 лет назад

It does sound nice.. I tried the first AT DCT and was also impressed with the smoothness of the changes - although I too struggled to adapt to using an auto gearbox. Marvelous and disconcerting at different times. My main concern with the AT is the use of tubed tyres - I know some people tape up the spokes to get around this, but feel tubed is too off-road orientated (i.e. stays inflated if rim gets bucked) for most people's needs. I'd rather have the BMW spoked design wheel that doesn't need tubes / just have normal cast/forged wheels from Honda. I don't understand your issue with chains for a touring bike - judging by smoothness and use of acceleration, you'd probably cover at least 1000 miles in-between adjustments (a brand new chain after first 500 miles and then 1000 thereafter *probably*).

@stevebolton8471 5 лет назад

Jme Be My NC750X DCT is going in for it’s 8000 mile service next week. I have checked the chain occasionally and it has never needed to be adjusted. Cleaned it once and use wax lube occasionally. I had a belt on the previous bike and shaft drives for many years before but actually modern chains aren’t really an issue and they are more efficient.

@vincentlehmann646 5 лет назад

Honda DCT is great in my opinion.

@normandegeorge6526 4 года назад

Thinking of getting the 2020 model in dct do you ride one? How is it?

@brobertson536 5 лет назад

I had a test ride on an Advernture Sport one and agree about the smoothness and disconcerting feel of not having a clutch - I really liked it. As this is the non-AS, what was the seat height like for you/how tall are you, and how did you find the wind flow on the screen? I am thinking of getting one, but not sure on the screen/wind deflection.

@markholroyd5365 5 лет назад

B Robertson I found the seat height on this bike fine Im 1.80m tall. However the Adventure version I felt was too high for me. Check out our video for the specifications. Ride safe.

@raycollington4310 5 лет назад

As I only have 30' inside the leg, the ATAS is too tall for me, the standard AT is fine .You do need the legs for the taller version.

@Null-zp3or 3 года назад

Love the bike, unsure about DCT.

@RiderCamTV 3 года назад

its really smooth and the DCT works so well. we were sceptical too, but it works well

@sandysteve97 5 лет назад

Love mine brilliant all around bike just started doing some vids on her

@SP-xd8gs 4 года назад

can you link me to where i can get those vests you are wearing please

@calin7017 5 лет назад

I believe the new AT looks more like the Honda XLV 750 from 85-88, rather than the former AT XRV 750. If you don't believe, google it.

@richedwards4651 5 лет назад

Liked the commentary ' oh a bit of a jerk' not sure if you were referring to the transmission or the rider 😆 Good review guys.

@kaningrat 5 лет назад

my dream bike

@roland7270 5 лет назад

I have africa DCT and done more than 10k km on it... I tried many other bikes and must say for my riding style there is no better bike than this one!

@docgreen4934 5 лет назад

Hi guys - this is the first time I’ve watched your channel. I’m starting to look at touring bikes and a DCT model might be a way forward - so thanks for this in depth review. You both seem to have great bike clothing - could you provide a listing please. Now subscribed. Yours aye, Alan

@markholroyd5365 5 лет назад

docgreen 49 hiya my suits is a Rukka and Toby wears. Klim. The vests are Helite Turtle Backs. Ride safe.

@RiderCamTV 5 лет назад

hey buddy, thanks for the kind words. As Mark says he wears Rukka and Toby wears Klim. Helite vests, thigh bags, boots. Reviews on the channel :)

@TheRealDasluft 5 лет назад

I have the 2018 AT DCT, had the NC750x DCT before, and both used for daily commute of 60 plus Kim’s, reason why I upgraded to the AT... never going back to manual bikes same as not going back to a manual gearbox car :) the only gripe I have is that one has to use the brake at low speed in lieu of feathering the clutch and it is not as smooth. Still once over 5 or 10 km/h it stops being an issue. Also agree with the need to have tubeless, cruise control and shaft in that order but only an issue if on a very long ride like a few thousand kms

@mikedignum1868 5 лет назад

Is it just me or are bikes getting more complicated? I'm just getting my head around my new GS1250 and I think that's complicated enough. If this is version 1 of the DCT on the Africa Twin I think I would wait for V2 to see what changes they will/might make. Nice video and the big smile on Marks' face seems to indicate he might be buying one.

@FoolishMuleProds 5 лет назад

This is version 3 or 4, I believe.

@gcprost 4 года назад

I have a DCT but I'd still like an up down shift lever on the left foot.

@Handsolowe 4 года назад

I’ve had one fitted to my ATAS. It’s awesome. It was around £300 from Honda.

@gcprost 4 года назад

Handsolowe Thanks for the tip.

@zukib 5 лет назад

What are those yellow vests you guys are wearing? Looks handy.

@markholroyd5365 5 лет назад

Gisle the vests are Helite Turtle back jackets which inflate when you fall off. We have made a video about them.

@jfro5867 5 лет назад

I recently test rode the AT Adventure and it was a very nice bike but it was just too tall for me to feel comfortable on. Also chain drive. I have bought a new 1200 Crosstourer manual and its lovely. It has lots of qualities similar to the AT and some differences of course. Shaft drive 👌 for a start. The suspension is not as plush as the AT but the positive trade off (for me) is that on the road the Crosstourer is much more taut and less 'boingy'. Think of the Crosstourer as a newer and funkier Pan and thats about right. I have owned a number of Pan's and loved them.

@6thwatergateplumber 5 лет назад

I like the bike, but I'm not a DCT fan. I need to feel like I'm riding a motorcycle. Clutch, shift, brake, up, down, in, out. I kind of enjoy it.

@Mateusz19860 3 года назад

Super moto 👍

@peterlewis968 5 лет назад

So if you had the choice DCT standard Africa Twin, or DCT Africa Twin Adventure Sport?

@RiderCamTV 5 лет назад

Peter Lewis . I think the Africa Twin Adventure would be my choice as it has a better tank range although the seat felt much harder and its taller than the standard Africa Twin so would need to get used to it. Ride safe.

@peterlewis968 5 лет назад

@@RiderCamTV The Africa twin Adventure Sport is high on my list as my next bike, I really can't see me going back to the big GSA, just can't justify the cost!! I can't get my head around the DCT system, I have ridden maxi scooters with a similar system and found them fine, but it doesn't seem right on a conventional motorcycle. One of my ridding buddies has the Africa Twin with DCT and he loves it. I guess I will have to get a test ride on one and approach it with an open mind. Keep up the good work on the reviews.

@Coltgov191145 5 лет назад

Your numbers are a little off on the sidebar at the beginning... it says its 649cc and I'm sure because I own one that it's not a 650....

@lalchandrupreja5828 5 лет назад

How comfortable Africa twin is when compared with versys1000...planning to buy..but not able to decide ...currently riding a ninja 1000 2018 module.im 47 not comfortable on ninja.what would b the right choice

@markholroyd5365 5 лет назад

LALCHAND RUPREJA mmmmm! Difficult question as they are both so different. I would buy either but would lean towards the Honda, although..... doh! I can’t make my mind up!

@lalchandrupreja5828 5 лет назад

😄😄same with me.cant decide.thanks for replying.will update you..as I decide to what should I b buying.thanks .

@lalchandrupreja5828 5 лет назад

Mark Holroyd ....hello...me finally made up my mind.its Africa twin.just today made initial payment n booked it.ur review definitely played a major part in making the decision of buying it.thanks.will get back when I actually drive it home.thanks

@gwrider4329 5 лет назад

Try the dct goldwing, you'll buy it just like I did.

@roadglide 5 лет назад

GW Rider Absolutely correct.

@stevepest3184 2 года назад

Hoping it’s my next bike .did u ever go twin Africa

@RiderCamTV 2 года назад

Mark hasn't got one yet! you never know though

@stevepest3184 2 года назад

@@RiderCamTV I'm not buy off buying 1 😁😁😁😁😁

@p.santos6644 4 года назад

Someone could tell me why the sports adventure has different fuel consumption then 1000L ???

@jeffloucks2120 2 года назад

Heavier and more surface area to have to punch through the air using the same engine as the standard AT.

@TheDervMan 5 лет назад

I’ve had a DCT Honda for just over a year. Absolutely love the DCT gearbox, however mine has started sticking in gear. Back for a service in a few weeks but the dealer I bought it from is very uninterested in helping. Such a shame. Once I’ve lost trust in a vehicle it has to go, and as much as I like DCT I doubt I’ll get another given my experience (with the dealer). I’m fully aware things break but it’s the dealers attitude that saddens me especially as I bought it from them and is still under warranty.

@grayjohn1906 5 лет назад

If its honda warranty? Bypass you dealer and contact honda UK, best of luck

@dantenel8705 5 лет назад

It is a shame Dervman. Normally the DCT gearbox is less troublesome. On the NC700 forum there are a number of couriers in London that has put more than a 100 000miles on their DCT bikes without any issues. Chances are you get the gearbox fixed and never experience any issues again. Standard gear boxes will on occasion also give issues. It's just mechanics I guess.

@TheDervMan 5 лет назад

Dante Nel I performed the DCT reset yesterday and it’s been fine since. Hopefully get more info when it’s serviced in a few weeks.

@gezginendurocu 4 года назад

Can ı ask a question about dct? Sometimes we need half clutch in the city and off road how they solve this problem with dct any idea

@Rayk76 4 года назад

U mean feathering the clutch !

@RiderCamTV 4 года назад

its all in the gadgetry of the machine and the speed and revs.... very non technical answer i know, but it does work very well

@russellbarrett9913 3 года назад

Why is the CRF1000L only 649CC??

@terryboyle 5 лет назад

649CC ??

@giedriusliubertas8227 5 лет назад

0.37 min - 649cc - are you sure Mr. ?

@LennyFence 5 лет назад

I am currently between the Africa Twin and the KTM 790 Adventure ... what would you prefer?

@markholroyd5365 5 лет назад

Lenny Fence Africa Twin...

@LennyFence 5 лет назад

Mark Holroyd can you explain why?

@markholroyd5365 5 лет назад

HI Lenny Fence, I think Honda have a better reputation for finish. I have seen KTM’s looking pretty rough after only a few months.

@EinkOLED 5 лет назад

I hate maintaining and cleaning the chain.

@MrKdr500 5 лет назад

There are motorcycle riders and people that ride motorcycles....you sound like the later.

@Tec2Nut Месяц назад

Plus your boot won't get gear scuff

@GGK_1021 4 года назад

0:41 649cc (X) 998cc (O)

@40mosher 5 лет назад

649cc?

@RiderCamTV 5 лет назад

typo

@raimondssteinbergs4316 5 лет назад

649cc !?!

@midtown4853 4 года назад

Ciao a tutti la mia scelta per usare il mio cellulare sulla mia moto africa twin 2019 come navigatore é ricaduta nei tre pezzi della ram mount ram-b-408-37-62u supporto telaietto parabrezza, ram-b-201u-a prolunga da 6cm e a seconda della grandezza dei cellulari e di dove sono posizionati i pulsanti volume ed accensione in queste due soluzioni ram-hol-un7bu oppure ram-hol--un10bu. La ritengo la soluzione più valida per l'africa Twin 2018, 2019 vista la palpebra e in più non rischiate con prodotti tutti chiusi ed impermeabili che il cellulare vada in crash per il surriscaldamento.

@7316bobe 4 года назад

Must be Britain with those horrid little skinny roads. Looks as dangerous as hell.

@freelife9512 5 лет назад

Tube tire...-.-;;

@everythinggaming7938 5 лет назад

Not the 2019 one

@RiderCamTV 5 лет назад

it is

@vuelco1 5 лет назад

Shit I+m going to buy me that bike and take it to my home town Venezuela to Boa Vista motorcylce festival in Brazil we are 10 biker counting my 26 year old sun and a great but a great mecahnic. All he ask us... ok fuckers I´m a great mechanics because I can fix your bike with a street leeve but you all have to care my clothing because my bike suitcase are full of tool and othe spare parts for all of yours differents bikes..... lol I love driving bike every where but Brazil the amazon shit that is great speacially thaking few Riflles and eat wild animal. don´t worry it won´t be no Bamby killing......

@swerve2850 4 года назад

When will people realise that the sound quality stinks when you try to do a review with your helmet on, it would be much better if your did a sound over describing your thoughts.

@matsrekdal3065 5 лет назад

Chain drive: No thanks No el. adjustable suspension: No thanks No cruise control: No thanks And that's a touring bike?...😮 Think i'll stick to my 2019 1250 GSA 😁😍

@MrKdr500 5 лет назад

suspension is fully adjustable! cruise control on a bike is for wankers who belong on 4 wheels and you GSA might never need chain maintenance but when you electronics fuck up you'll wish you had Honda reliability then..and believe me they will fuck up, just out of warranty.

@brianharrigan8821 5 лет назад

Whiners ! No Thanks !!!

@matsrekdal3065 5 лет назад

@@brianharrigan8821 Sorry, didn't mean to hurt your feelings. 😅

@yan-jk1ti 5 лет назад

Buy a yamaha super tenere,cruise control,no chain,more power..

@matsrekdal3065 5 лет назад

@@MrKdr500 I wrote electronically adjustable suspension, and no, the AT does not have that. I can ride all day long, changing between different surfaces and road quality all the time, and to have different suspension settings available with just the click of a button, makes all the difference in the world. Cruise control for wankers... Wow, that's deep. Guess you don't go touring much, or maybe just can't afford a bike with CC. 😅 Anyway, guess i'm just not a hardcore, badass biker like you, cause i love my CC. I have had 5 GS's, all of them within warranty. I can afford it, so your argument regards to el. problems doesn't bother me. 😄 Oh, btw: The AT will eventually be available with el.suspension , cruise control or maybe both. Just wait and see. Then what?... 😉