Best in-depth review of the Z4 I've seen. Great work. I own a Z4 m40i (black car with tan leather interior and optional 19" 2 tone mat grey wheels) and I love the car. I get people checking it out as I drive, people asking me questions about when filling up fuel... also, those pops and crackles in Sport Plus mode!
If I wanted to spend Boxter money or Z4 M40i money on a roadster I would not buy either one. I would buy a Corvette C8 convertible with the Z51 package. Hands down. Without a second thought. That said, my wife and I have decided we will be buying the Z4 30i M Sport with Executive package this year as our mutual Christmas gift to replace our getting long in the tooth current roadster. Why? Because we will never ever Track the car. We could care less about 3.9 secs 0-60. We just want open-air fun with modern tech and a level of luxury with enough power to bring a smile to our faces. And, the Z4 30i M Sport Executive gives every bit of all of that. Also, the 18" M wheels/tires give that extra bit of comfort in the ride while not taking away from the fun of some spirited back road driving.
It is obvious that the people complaining have never heard of the concept of Symbiosis. As for me, I have never been a fan of any BMW or Toyota. But, I have been a roadster guy for most of my life and the wife has as well. We have both been looking to replace our current roadster at the end of this year and the decision to buy the Z4 M Sport with Executive package was unanimous.
Personal preference. 718 boxster is gorgeous top down but loses the beautiful roof line like cayman when top up.That’s a shame! Z4 looks good both ways . Owning a Cayman gts for 2 years I’m considering getting a Z4 for a more relaxed ride.
In the market for a completely impractical car, and drove the C5, 6 and 7 corvettes, boxster S, M4, 911 and probably others. If you really want a sports car, an actual sports car, to drive every day and make you feel like you are in control and feel the thunder, the C6 corvette is the best choice and the 996 and 997 Porsche are great too. Just depends what kind of experience you're looking for. Corvettes are easy to maintain, easy to sell, and there's plenty of parts to spice things up. And the acceleration and handling are brutal but you must respect the power or it will take you for a ride.
I had a 2008 C6 z51 convertible 4lt. I was an amazing car. Im going to try the Z4 M40i. this time. It has similar 0-60 time but with more luxury. Seems a bit smaller too which I found my vet to be a very big car.
I, also, do not understand the flummox that so many folks have with the BMW/Toyota collaboration. As far as I'm concerned, it's a win-win for both companies. I love this Z4 and am equally impressed with the Supra.
Damilola Akanni each manufacturer has their own ethos. Mercedes is luxury. Porsche is luxury sport. Bmw used to be sports but now is luxury. Toyota and Lexus are focused on reliability and dependability
My issue with the Z4 Supra combo is that it just seems like an excuse for both companies not to invest in a vehicle. Toyota is the number one car company in the world (they trade #2 with Volkswagen) yet they couldn't bother to create the vehicle themselves? Heck GM is like 4th and they put more effort into the C8 Corvette by themselves.
Toyota doesn't have a i6 in any of their current cars nor a chassis to support it either nor factories to build it. Chevy still uses their LT plus they have the factories already ready fir them to build the car so GM already had a bigger advantage over toyota making the mk5 themselves. Plus Toyota went to BMW since they were already in a partnership anyway right before the BMW mk5 thing even happened plus BMW isn't looking like they don't have anything to to with the Z4 vs toyota having all of these plans to do thus and that with the mk5.
Hi Alex I’m so torn on the new supra one part of me is glad that it’s back the other part of me is sad that it’s platform sharing because what made the supra so special to me was you had an every day car company that made every day driving appliances design this really cool 90s sports car and at the time I remember everybody telling me who wants $48,000 Toyota? At that time my father worked for the forklift division of Toyota he could order any Lexus and Toyota product… Substantial discount I kept begging him in the mid 90s to order one telling him that it will be worth some money one day.... I never did about a couple years ago he came to me and told me we should’ve ordered that supra🤷🏼♂️
You say the Supra couldn’t exist without the Z4 but that’s not true. While Toyota may have opted to partner with BMW for various reasons they certainly have the resources, being a much larger company than BMW, to produce their own Supra in house just as Honda did with the new NSX which will sell in far fewer numbers than the new Supra. So I think you’re dead wrong. You said you don’t understand why Toyota fans are upset, but the essence of the old Supra, and even a Japanese sports car in general, have been lost with this merger. And, perhaps most legitimate of all, the new Supra is going to have BMW reliability and that’s a huge blow. And Toyota dealers are going to struggle with all the warranty work the new Supras will undoubtedly need. They might as well be from another planet with an entirely different approach to many things especially BMWs famously over complicated and unreliable electronics. And while resale of high-end Japanese cars tends to remain quite strong for a long time, resale of BMWs drops dramatically when they’re out of warranty because the modern ones are so expensive to keep on the road. So all those upset have some very valid concerns contributing to much lower Supra sales than what they could have been.
The mk4 had low sales and it was made by Toyota. They don't have a single car nor chassis that can support a i6 nor do they have the factories to make/build them either plus they can barely see any car they have currently thats over 70k because they are either heavy or overpriced and if Toyota built the supra themselves I'll guarantee that it wouldn't be anywhere near on how the mk5 is today since they can barely make a rwd chassis without it weighting well near 4k nor does it's community actually try to push any of their current platforms to actually see if they'd have a good reason/chance to make it themselves especially when they don't have a big aftermarket that's into their current line up of cars(other than the 86) like BMW does.
Carboy good points but I come back to the NSX and other low volume cars coming out of Japan and Korea that are partly justified by improving brand credibility even if they’re not profitable. As I said in my reply I’m sure Toyota had their reasons but they ARE capable of still making 2 door sports cars. The joint effort with Subaru and the 86 makes more sense even if it’s not a Mk 3 MR2. At least they’re two Japanese companies with similar followings. Toyota does have RWD platforms, and AFAIK you’re correct about none being able to accommodate an inline 6. But I think many would rather have a V6 real Toyota vs something that’s 95% a re-badged BMW. They could base it on a Lexus platform. And it wouldn’t throw errors on the dash on a regular basis, the infotainment system would actually work right, and it would spend much less time at the dealer than a rebadged BMW.
I got to drive one of these and really, really love it, but it's hard to justify spending so much money for a car like this when you could almost get two Miatas for the same price.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 I agree, but they have different tunes, and the owners may or may not treat them differently. Also, Toyota techs are going to be less familiar overall with BMW parts and engineering choices. The fixed roof also makes the Supra more likely to be tracked, raced and modified. ...and many other variables.
@@naarealy BMW is planning on axing the Z4 soon anyway meaning Toyota will have more time learning how to fix/use the BMW stuff like they did with the gt86 with the Subaru parts. Plus the B58 has been proving to be way more reliable than the N series and is getting compared to the M50(one of the moat reliable BMW engines produced)for being reliable and tuner friendly. Only thing to really worry about is electronic since normally 40i cars have annoying errors(noting serious just very annoying)that come up at random.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 It is unlikely that BMW will stop production of the Z4 soon. If BMW does stop production, the Supra would also disappear, as it is being assembled from BMW provided parts by a third party manufacturer Magna. Toyota doesn't even build the Supra in its own factory.
@@naarealy BMW isn't looking at any interest to do anything with the Z4 better yet giving it anymore options rather than a possible manuel 4 banger version. We're as Toyota already announced yearly power bumps,a track version,a GRMN,and that it'll be in production for some time.
Alex - ski pass though? why? my 2020 Z4 can't even drive in one inch snow with the performance tires.....it comes with performance tires, I have to spend $1500 for a set of winter tires and they don't make it......so why ski pass though?
Whether you ski or not...if it gets 40 F or below where you live, you'll want to swap out your summer performance O.E. tires. I've found the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 performance tires a good high performing, all season capable tire here in the Midwest U.S.
A little sports car only comes with an automatic? What's the point? test drove that very model.. It was very fast, and you can program the engine management for lots of muffler burble... the whole thing felt unearned. And it's more expensive than a Z51 C8 2020 Corvette! Around $66,000.
The people that complain about the BMW/Toyota partnership are total idiots who know absolutely nothing about cars. I’m sick of hearing these fanboy tuners who drive cars with “soupcan” mufflers that sound like complete garbage. I like this car, so I’m getting it. Just wish it had manual, but you can’t have everything.
Yeah, you Californians can go topless with no regrets. Here in the Pacific Northwest you face a major penalty for that choice. Of the choices you laid out, it would be the Audi TT for me. But I'd be just as happy with a Golf R with room for my wife, daughter, and big dog. :)
Hey Alex, I've been led to believe that Toyota supplied more than just cash to BMW, but provided direct input on how the vehicles should be designed including the wheelbase to track ratio, suspension tuning and various other drivetrain elements that were essential to be there in order to provide the underpinnings essential for the Supra. In other words, it was truly a joint platform develop effort with Toyota tuning of BMW parts and components. Can you find out if this is true?
BMW gave them the drivetrain,engine,chassis to start out with then went their separate ways with the tuning,exterior looks,and how they both handled. BMW doesn't look like they want to do really anything with the Z4 other than Toyota trying to use the chassis as much as they currently can since they already have a gt500 i4 powered mk5,they have a gt300 V8 powered mk5 in testing still,they have a future track version coming,they are planning yearly power bumps,and have a performance version named the GRMN coming in the following years(but no one's knows if Toyota is just going to make a suped up B58 or use BMW's S58)
how is leg room in the new Z4? It's hard to tell your overall height in the video or side shot of you in the car. Is this a car that would easily accomodate a broad- shouldered 6ft man? thanks in advance
Supposedly Toyota audited and inspected the engine, and made BMW revise its fit, finish, and clearances, so that it would be up to snuff for Toyota's reliability standards.
I love that there is a new Z4, and also a very interesting Toyota Supra, but to be honest, I would have liked it more that BMW perfected and continued the previous Z4 a few years longer (the E89), because that one is far superior in look over this new one. It simply is sooo sexy.
Carboy Dorifuto party Me ? I’m waiting for a bargain on one of these great Supra’s . This is what happened to lady one . Too expensive and they sat on lots .
@@BrogeKilrain duh. Look at what dealers are doing with new RCF's and LC500s. It's no different for this. When it's cars like this it's no guarantee that any of them are escaping mark up price or 20-40k over sticker for any first year model car is never going to be cheap even for the supras. I can remember the days when the type r came out and people were pissed with the ridiculous prices dealers were throwing them up for. It's no different for this thing anyway. As soon as a year go by the 2021 models will already be out and the current mk5s might be in the 30k range by then.
No and yes. There are a few differences in parts wise with the mk5s B58 vs Z4s B58. Plus the B58s already to be way more reliable than the N54/55 and even the S55 and is being compared to the M50(one of the strongest and most reliable BMW i6s ever made)but it was mainly made to not have any relation to the problems the N series suffered from.
People can’t help but Cry, and complain. When I was told why the marriage of Toyota and BMW I understood and figured we are lucky because the day is coming that Roadsters will be only a RICH PERSONS thing as there is such a tiny market and don’t make financial sense. Grab your MX-5 Miatas now while you can!
Alex, your videos are very informative and you are very knowledgable, no doubt. But listening to you is like drinking water out of the fire hydrant. Why not filter the amount of info given, slow down in delivery and cut the over all video length to 15-20 minutes? Just sayin'.
Crayfish Moonshine yeah, but this car can go around corners and isn’t made out of plastic. It also doesn’t have a wall between the driver and the passenger, which is kind of the point of a sports car. If you don’t have a pretty woman in the passenger seat you’re doing it wrong
Your BMW/Toyota story is utterly stupid and wrong. BM and Toyota partnered up to develop and test a sports car platform together and both cars are built by Steyr in Austria. Man.
718 boxster for me, dunno why the hardtops were in the comparison segment, the supra should be a GTA and march larger and comfortable. the z4 lacks preciseness besides the headlights being on top of each other. the audi TT RS convertibale would be nice but sincei its the TT why buy that over a civic type r? c43 is not a convertible and i would go with bmw over that. the artist fromably known as the clk is stil in need of an update.
bird718 c43 can be a convertible. TT RS over a civic because more power, the turbo 5 cylinder obviously sounds better and more luxurious (Audi and Honda).
I don't speak for all Toyota/ Supra fans. But I personally would rather we didn't have either of them.. A badge engineered FLAGSHIP car?? Absolutely disgraceful. Toyota should be ashamed.... And we don't need the hairdresser's BMW either. let it go.
I've driven Z cars daily for the last 20 years, starting with Z3, then graduating to Z3M, Z4 3.0, and Z4M. After waiting 14 years for a new Z4M, I bought jaguar F-Type. This new Z4 is a hideous beast. The Boxster proportions totally betray the identity of the Z. The interior angles look like the designer had vertigo. The wheels all look like Wal-Mart aftermarket, and the non-functional exterior scoops reek of a broke high school boy trying to look cool. Just terrible.
