2020 Harley-Davidson M8 Oil Pump Updates 'Cause S$#! CHANGED! | Shop Talk Episode 35 

"Shane, doesn't he look like he shouldn't be within 100yds of a school?"😂 That had me rollin!

2019 Road Glide Ultra, 2 weeks ago early Feb, 2020, I went with a S&S cam chest & oil pump and Woods 22X cam, adjustable push rods and new cam bearing. D&D 2 into 1 pipes. Vance and Hines FP3. Started project with 2300 miles on bike. Took me 3 days. 1day tear down, 1day rebuild, 1day pipes and then a week later got bold and went for 16"apes. YIKES, Every trick in the book but did it. 2 days to pull wires through Factory 47 16" bars with new heated grips. 4 hours total so far at highway speeds 65 to 100 mph no issues no squeals or knocks and no leaks. Have not told the wife yet. Maybe next month. Your videos helped choosing which route to go. Runs great, sounds great, feels great. Thank for you for your efforts on videos. Now if it will quit snowing and raining. sigh near St Louis area in Illinois

This info is what we need. Big appreciation

really appreciate these comparison videos you guys put out!

Interesting. Good info for all M8 owners! Keep up the good work guys.

The comedy is great and the info is also spot on. 😂😂😂😂

Thanks so much Moonshine your technical info is much appreciated.Will definitely be taking all points mentioned when building my m8

Thanks guys....Glad I found your channel...you're funny, very informative and easy to follow. Enjoying how you explain everything in good detail along with the reasons, especially regarding important issues. Very cool...sub'd.

Great video when you finally got to the details.

always top notch ... great stuff , guys !

I have a 2018 road glide ultra. I did as u recommended going with the 2020 HD oil pump. After, my bike had oil sumping problems. Then I installed s&s cam plate and pump. Life is good now

Another great and informative video really enjoy the info you guys provide

Love these comparison and tech videos, keep it up!

May 2020 rode my 19 Electra glide standard up to Moonshine HD from Jax Florida. They put the S&S Cam chest kit 465G in the bike. This was an Awsome change in bike performance! Harley wants your bike to last 2 Years. I want it to last way past that. My advice and Moonshine will tell you......if u open up that cam chest, get rid of All that oem trash, not just the oil pump because the cam plate is just as bad as their oil pumps

Excellent info thanks for all your efforts... much appreciated

You guys are so badass. I am in the Army and currently live in Virginia. I am moving to tx In June. I need to set something up so I can stop by and have you all install a cam!

I binge watch your videos like my wife binge watches the bachelor . I’m a nerd for this stuff .

NYC Shouting Tennessee Moonshine Harley out with love!Keep it up.EXCEPTIONAL VIDEO!I gotta pass through there one day.

Digging that paint job

Great video guys and information, always like how objective and honest you guys are in your videos👍 Best m8 tech videos on you tube 👍👍

Great video,Very informative well spoken

Knowing is half the battle

Schweet paint job on that RG 🤘

Thanks for the informative video. Great video.

Hey guys this is great, thanks.. I understand that some/most late model 2019s have the upgrade... I can't tell when my motor was built, but the build date on my bike is 5/13/2019... I haven't noticed any issues.. and I'm running a California Stage III... hope you can help. Thanks again!

Great vid!

So I just replaced my stock 2017 oil pump that was working just fine. I was doing a Stage 2 so was advised to do the pump. Mild Stage 2 107 so went with brand new HD pump. The pump had two vanes let go during the dyno tune. Now Im going with what my builder recommended from the get go, a Fueling at $700 over the HD.

Good shit guys, pity our local (Australia) Harley people are not so forth comimg with oil pump info

Thanks men!

Nice job !!

In the process of putting my 124 together right now in my 2017 and noticed my pump has the groove for that seal, called the dealer today to get one. Wasn’t sure if it was really necessary but had heard about the seal fixing the cavitation issue. Glad to see it was a good idea to get the seal.

Thanks for the explanation. Had my oil pump replaced last month under warranty. Actually didn’t know I had an issue, took bike in for clutch recall, tech called a few days later and asked to keep the bike for another couple of days to replace the oil pump. I am very happy he caught and corrected the issue.

Great info. Thanks.

Awesome video guys. What is the shop time to replace the oil pump in the 2017 fltrx? Thanks

Why didn’t HD fix these bikes as they being sold. I have 19 SGS with 4400 miles 9 months old with bike in pieces. . Needs pistons cylinders pump oil pan and valve seals from dealer under warranty after motor almost ruined from failing pump. Pump did not scavenge oil back to pump. Not happy with HD at this point. Bike was built may 2019 and people should know this issues and new oil pumps should be installed. It will save a lot of $ for everyone in the long run.

Gentlemen thank you for this very informative video I have a 21 roadglide ready to upgrade one question what is your preference fueling or S&S thanks

great video ur guys are awesome!!!

I want Moonshine HD to handle all my performance upgrades. 2019 SGS. Stage 1 done already.

You guys are so deep in the smallest of details that I’m not sure to let no one do a big build on my bike but you guys unfortunately I live in Miami not Tennessee.

i just got a 2020 street bob , not wanting to much more so stock oil pump will be fine for stage 2 with cam and tune TBR and air filter .be fast enough for me for a while ,

Thank my lucky stars I waited til 11/2020 to buy my RGS!

Great video guys, thanks for sharing. i don't know whether to go from my evo to a twin cam or a m8 with all these things with the m8's

Probably too early to tell but do you think the 2020’s will suffer from the previous years problems? I own a 2020 Street Glide and am debating between buying the extended service plan or upgrading to fueling or S&S parts. Not concerned with building a monster engine. Only concerned with long term reliability.

I can't, I just can't. At least they didn't make you wait another 3 years to get the M8 close to okay.

i have 2019 rgs with stage2 torque cam do i need to up grade oil pump and are cam plate.TI is all stock hd parts i love sound and power just wish had money to go bigger on bike.thanks for info you all shows us out here.keep rubber side down.

I f#*kin love you guys, wish I would’ve known about you guys along time ago. “Cause shit changes@!!!!

Do you know the earliest build date that HD started using the newer backing plate with the seal??? I have heard that the latest oil pump starting going in the 5/19 and later builds, but did the backing plate with seal go in earlier builds??? Thanks guys!

Thanks you guys I have a question I have a 2020 road glide I did a cam upgrade I would like to put the fuelling Cam played in will my 2020 oil pump work with that I would think so thanks for all your great experience that you’re sharing with us makes such a difference very much appreciated from Don Schlegel in Vancouver Canada

Are you guys coming across a lot of newer bikes that the run out is out of spec? I have a '19 RGS with only 2100 miles on it so far and was looking at the S&S pump and plate. I would think it would still be fine at this point but then again.... Great work as always guys. I'm just outside Chicago but would love to have you guys do some work on my ride. The attention to detail is key....and Mike's a bada$$. 🤟

Nice VDO, i have 2018 RG and Im looking to upgrade the Oil pump, What is a part Number for M8 2020 Oil pump kit ? Thank you.

You guys should just have your own brand of bikes and take the HD name off of it! Great shop!

Ok excellent video for M8 owners. How about some info for folks like me looking to purchase a 2017 ultra limited low. Should I stay away from the early models and save enough $ to purchase a 2020. And if I do purchase a 2017 what can I expect to pay to have it upgraded to the 2020 oil pump.

Do you check the pressure on the pump before install? My TC3 plate was set to 35psi which was great for stock. The 08 Zippers 117 needed 57psi

Kinda explains why the Harley dyi and independent shops like crying and hating on Harley’s products. Looks like Harley’s on-point when it comes to finding out what’s wrong and how to fix it. It also shows how some are trying to force power through a part not designed to handle it as in this case. A stage upgrade with standard stock parts.

What is the part # for the 2020 oil pump, cam chest? My runout is to much for S&S or Feuling

Great Video guys!! Good info!! Poor Sasquatch lol 😂

Have a 2018 slim just ordered a new 2021 oil pump bike only done 7800km. Was looking at putting in S&S adjustable push rods an lifters..S&S valve cuffs..an a zappers 468cam...or cyclerama 480..which cam would u use??

good info thanks

What are the tolerances for the S&S oil pump set up. How much pinion shaft runout is too much?

Can you run the oil cooled pump on a twin cooled bike ? Looking to put the 22xe or the 468 in my 17 RGU and debating on the SS oil pump or save some money and get the oe upgrade. Thanks in advance

What is the part number on the newest HD oil pump? It is proving to be difficult to find the part number online, and with so many revisions, I want to make sure my dealer gets me the RIGHT oil pump.

Anything better than stock.

So since runout is so important, what is the life expectancy of the of the Fueling and S&S products vs OEM. Looking at it in another perspective. How long is it before I’m going to have to change the S&S brass bronze bushing or the Fueling parts before they are worn out - or how often should I /we check the runout???? Thanks Blackfeather

Thanks for the info. I was looking to get the feuling RACE series for when I went stage 2 on at 114 Fat Boy. Didnt know about the run out requirement. Was gonna go with a Woods 222 Cam, Feuling RACE pump and camplate, HP+Lifters, FuelMoto Pushrods. So if my crank is above 1/5000th I gotta ditch the feuling pump. What about swapping to Gear driven, does that help increase longevity? Or just helps with timing? Whats the runout limit on gear drive over chain?

What's the part number for the newest harley oil pump?

I’ve got the 2018 117 breakout stage 3 never ever has an issue at all with anything!! Done 30,000km so far ridden in 2 degree weather and pissing down with rain and ridden in 52 degree weather...not a single issue

Just installed the S&S 475C cam, oil pump, oil pump plate, etc...so im good not having installed the oem o-ring behind the pump? Great content subscribed.

Good luck getting one from S & S. I’ve been waiting 5 months just to hear something. Horrible customer relations.

what is the part number for the new oil pump set up

You guys Rock

Is the oil pump pressure from 2020 M8 enough to run with the s&s 475c without changing to the s&s oil pump? btw i’m runing the FXLR 107 M8.

My 2017 ultra m8 need all your updates and your oil pump cam plate fueling bearing adjustable pushrods and roller bearing holders gasket tuning pleas

3 years ago And Both specs where marked "in writhing " as 'Fueling'... 11:54 ...

So what if you buy the S&S and your pinion shaft is over .005? Whats the fix?

What about the oil pump for the water cooled Ultra.Its a different part number to the oil cooled pump ??

Maybe I'm confused however you stated that when you upgrade to a larger cam you get more heat. My understanding from all info I have heard is 1st you will ave done a stage 1 before a cam upgrade which the stage 1 is suppose to help run cooler because of it running less lean from factory. Then with a cam upgrade it would be logical to add even more fuel which if more fuel equals cooler running then how can a cam upgrade produce more heat. Also if your crank pinion is not within tolerance for the new cam plate then wouldn't it be out of tolerance from the factory there by chewing up your factory cam plate?Just trying to learn . Thanks.

I just updated my chest with OE+ fueling plate, lifters, pump and S&S 510c cams on my 02' 95 build. I was a little taken back that they don't feel the need for a seal between the pump and plate. I get around 12-15 at idle and around 42-45 when cruising. It also hasn't really been warmer than 50 degrees here in Massachusetts and I think I hit oil temps of 200 once this late winter while sitting in traffic but switched to dino 20w 50 VR1 oil since the upgrade and the engine has been quieter than i've ever heard it with 36k. Using my automotive stethoscope, all areas sound nice and squishy as if oil is flowing nicely, fingers crossed. I'll probably get maybe 10k miles if I'm lucky through the summer and fall then open her up and check to see any abnormal wear. Should there be any extra fine materials after my first oil change with the new set up? I probably have around 300 miles on the new plate and extras. I didn't go with the race version only because I don't think I'm pushing much more than 100/100. Great video guys and thanks for the info.

What if the pinion shaft runout is more than the what the spec is what needs to be done?

I have a 21 ultra bout to get a cam swap installed should s high pressure pump be installed

Shit is rad. Keep it comin. I'm not even in the market for this shit and it's still fascinating. Can you do something on the crate 131 and it's competitors?

Nice beard!👍🏻 good video

I have a 2022 Street glide special putting a S&S 465 cam with a D&D exhaust and keeping the stock oil pump. I believe I am okay doing this what's you all opinion with that?

So which one is better ? S&S or fueling

How does the S&S or Fueling pump compare to the SE upgrade?

Hi can you tell me the part number on the newest Harley oil pump for oil cooled M8 harley

Great information, thanks. I have a 2017 RGS. For a Stage II with cam, would the new 2020 oil pump be sufficient? Also, can I use my stock cam plate or is there a 2020 cam plate I need to buy? Appreciate the help.

So in short WHATS the best s&s or fueling

Hi I have Harley-Davidson street glide special 114cc built December 21/2018 do you know if Harley-Davidson put back plate seal in all 2019? Trash told me I need this up grade before putting there crank case vent kit please let me know if you have this information cheers 🍻.

Thanks Great video! How about the H-D SE pump are they need good?? #TwinCam #2016 #FLSS

Could you review the new screaming eagle cam plate for M8?

I have a street Bob 19, with stage 1 and does not feel comforting when there so much talk about the oil pump, should i change pump as a preventive measure?

Is newer Harley engines with increased ci getting harder to increase power? 114 can get to 131 ci, what about the new 117? Is it supposed to be cheaper for owners to upgrade? Or?

Mike, are these pumps the same in the softail line, or does this video pertain to touring only?

Wondering if anyone has added elec. oil pump for cold start up?

Soo I have a 2018 road king with a stage one kit. You guys are making it sound like there is something wrong with my engine. Is there ? I'm happy with the way it runs and pulls through the gears. Will something happen to my engine? Because its doesn't have these up grades? Help me out here guys. Is there something wrong with the harley design? WOW

The S&S and the fueling that's crazy on the oil pressure difference but on the S&S you guys did not mention that it has a brass bushing on the cam side in the fueling does not if I'm saying that right I would love to have the more oil pressure but what does the fueling idle at

Have you guys found a lot of M8 crank shafts that were over 5 thousands run out ? I am running the fueling pump and never asked if the builder checked the run out. I am sure he did.

Would it be advantageous putting a new cam chest and pump on stock motor I’m not really sure I want more than stock. 117’s will get to the speed limit in a hurry.

How do the new Screaming Eagle pumps stack up in comparison?

did you use chain drive once run out was 4000th? great videos, ty