When it comes to manuals - I often equate it to gaming at 60fps vs 30fps with an automatic. At least among the cars I've driven I can't help but feel that automatic transmission cars are still not as responsive as I want them to be. Add in more control in general and especially when turning (I hate it when an auto transmission car changes gears mid-turn) and I can't help but feel that I'll be a manual guy for life.
I have to disagree. I understand that the drive is the main focus of this vehicle, but that is the problem. The more you want to drive it, the more time you spend in the car. The more time you spend in the car, the more you notice how much is lacking.
I own a 19 Si, it's an absolutely incredible vehicle. The suspension and handling are INSANE. The backseat and trunk are spacious, it's good on gas but peppy. I'm so sick of this vehicle getting poo-pooed because the CTR exists. The Si is $23k after negotiations and the CTR is pushing $40k. Is the CTR nicer? Of course. However, it's 70% more money. Is it 70% better? Not even close. People crapping on the Si because the CTR exists is like people saying Desean Watson stinks because of Tom Brady. Oh, one more little thing, the Si also has the highest residual value of any sedan in America at 68% after 3/36, so when you buy it for $23k, 3 years later with 36k you can sell it for $18k. There is NO vehicle for $23k that does as many things as well as the Si, it's in a league of its own.
I NEED you in my corner during "negotiations". Any dealer I walk into will gladly let me walk out without a sale before going below asking price on ANYTHING.
Want to hear more? At lease end, my residual was $15,500 on the Si. I wrote a check to Honda Motors. Then I went to the local Honda dealership and sold it to them for $29,100. (Made a quick $13,600). They put it on their lot, CPO'd and sold it for $31,XXX Be willing to be flexible. There's deals out there. I just got a 2023 MX-5 for 8% under MSRP, and they had 0.9% financing for 36 months. BRZ/WRX have decent leases. I've seen people get into them for around $400/mo with only $1,500 down. WRX also has 1.9% financing avail.
I have the 2020 Si Coupe. Love the car. It's a blast to drive and it has the perfect amount of power for me. Only thing I don't like about the car is the rev hang. That can make the car pretty jerky and rough in between shifts sometimes. Other than that though, I love it. It's a great car.
I looked at the '19 version and wasn't impressed with the seat cloth. It drove fine, but there were other areas of the interior that killed the deal. The Accord Sport was a nicer place to be. I ultimately ended up in a '19 WRX for very close to the Si's MSRP. Sure, the WRX isn't perfect, but somehow it felt better sitting in it. A few things need improvement, but what car doesn't in the sub $30k sport compact segment.
You guys realize direct injection has kinda ruined the reliability argument right? After 30k both engines intake valves gonna have bad carbon. You know how many people clean them very little. Then many go long oil changes adding to the issue. I think we'll be lucky to see either car lasting 150k miles but time will tell
As of a couple years ago being in the auto industry, only Toyota has figured out DI, at least with their V6, and has stuck with the V6 design for years due to that reliability.
Many new turbo cars have a ridiculous amount of rev hang built into the stock tune. I was not used to this when I got my SI 3 weeks ago because all of the manual cars I’ve had only had mechanical rev hang from the flywheel. I added a Ktuner and cut off the rev hang and she drives perfect now.
Yeah rev hang kinda put it off for me but still went with my gut and got the si added a tune on it and couldn’t be happier my favorite car since the 8th gen Civic
Why. Wheels are one of, if not, the easiest thing to change on a car. Yes, an expensive change, but if not changing size, can be done near $500 (but the skies the limit). Then sell your stock wheels or keep them as winter wheels.
I drove one recently; a 2020 si coupe. I own a 2006 acura rsx type s, so I was comparing it to that-- I was appalled by the horribly obvious fake engine noise that made the car sound like it was broken. Disconnected throttle made me feel like I was in a a video game, not driving a car. I do agree that the transmission shifts were much more joyous than on my car, but still the overall disconnected feeling of the car showed me that once again Honda has forgotten how to make an enthusiast car.
Oh yeah a blue si sedan new ,2 months ago, so far it's been great we just got back from a long trip and steady rolling it got 39mpg but can still be fun on corners and redligts
Too bad about the oil mixing with the gas. Also the rev hang on this is unbearable along with an engine that always sounds like a vaccum. Then there is its anime styling and faux vents everywhere including the rear bumper. Other than that, it's a great car....
Review: I wish I had bought a fast car...I honestly do not get this car. 0-60 in 6.6 seconds and 15.1 quarter mile. I know handling is great. But Jesus it's sooooo slow. My Yukon and Excursion are faster in a straight line...
This'll sound weird coming from Melbourne Australia where we don't get snow or much rain. But cars do occasionally 'Fog Up'. I'm sure that in such weather, you set air/com/climate at 'recycle' and 'dial up' the fan speed directed onto windscreen/windshield so the air gets dryer and dryer until the glass is clear & the old embedded wires on the rear 'take over' It's the old "lower the humidity" thing. As for the Civic. I bought a Hyundai (here we call them 'HI.UN.D.I' said as one quick word) i30SR (also called the Elantra Sport) instead. The plasticy interior & external styling just wasn't to my taste.
It's pretty bad. I have the 2020 Coupe and that's the one thing I hate about the car. I love the car but I wouldn't have bought it had I known it had the rev hang. It affects the way the car drives. I had the 2018 LX Coupe before the Si and the LX had no rev hang and that car drove a lot better than the Si. With no rev hang, I'm sure the Si would drive better but with the rev hang, the LX definitely drives much better.
@@riley1733 thank you! I've been eyeing 2022/23 Si's. Can't find any to test drive, but rev hang would be a deal breaker for me (my wife hates if I can't shift smooth, and she's bouncing in the passenger seat).
@ChrisBrown-pz2gu No problem. Yeah, I hear you. It is annoying. My girlfriend has had whiplash after coming for a drive with me in my car due to how jerky it is and it's the rev hang that does it as my old LX never did that and that car had no rev hang. I warn people in advance when they come in my car about the rev hang and how it affects the way the car drives. It makes me not like having passengers in the car. It drives me bonkers. Don't quote me on this as I've never driven the 2022 or 2023 Si's but I believe the rev hang on those is only after you reach a certain rpm in the high range so maybe those one's would be better if you shift in the lower rpm range. I also heard the 9th generation Si's don't have the rev hang (apparently, my stepsister's cousin doesn't have rev hang on her Si. She has a 2015 Coupe). Just avoid the 10th generation Si's as those are the ones that have the worst rev hang. I do recommend test driving it if you can find one though and see for yourself how bad it is on the car. I could be completely wrong on the newer ones having less rev hang. Hope you find one that has little or no rev hang though. It is a fun car other than that. Good luck and enjoy if you do find one. Have a good day. Stay safe.
