This Just In: The 2020 Honda Civic Si Coupe Is The Most Fun You Can Have For Under $30K! 

You will be floored ,its best bang for the buck , I got the sedan si in black

Nah, just wait for the next gen Toyota 86, Si or type R. This gen Si rides well but is a cheaply built piece of trash

@@BobO-zo2bi When will the new generation be coming out?

Ride is nych stiffer

Why not just get a retune on the Hatch? Same engine. You get to keep the Hatch too.

@Troy Kessinger I paid about 22k for the non-certified Si from a local Ford dealer. I've had I checked out by my local Honda dealer (while in for its first oil change) and was told everything is as it should be. I'm averaging about 32 now but I have a lot of short trips I make with it. I'm sure the mileage will increase as the motor gets broken in.

I paid 23k new for my si coupe

Do you still have it? If so hows it going so far? I'm looking into buying an si

@@koolskater30 Yup, still got it. I'll probably keep it until they bring out the '22 Si's and trade it in. The only thing I've done is tire rotation and oil changes. Highly recommend the Si!!!

@@kobear66 Sweet thanks for the quick reply! Its hard to find long term owner reports so I appreciate hearing from an actual owner. Probably going to get the '20 or 19 early next year

Is this issue resulting in shorter engine life-span? Can this be offset by changing the oil more frequently?

SpringMtn Hiker Essentially, thats the solution for now, quality oil, oil change often. But later in 2020, “GF6-B” will be released from testing and be available in all the major brands. They say that’s the fix..

Kenley Carlton Honda fixed this “problem” over a year ago.. They use the same powertrain- 1.5 Turbo in their flagship CR V, Accord and Civic Touring. Thanks for coming out

The oil dilution is related to the L15's warm up procedure, not the oil. Specifically the cold start procedure runs rich as normal in an attempt to enhance catalytic converter efficiency (trying to get a high EGT faster). But this particular engine has a much longer warm up time, and the cold cylinder walls condenses the unburnt vapor (as it is running rich) where it seeps past the rings. The key indicator that this is the problem is that people only started noticing issues in cold weather conditions and taking short drives that don't let the engine get to operating. If it were strictly a blow by issue, then it would happen regardless of outside temperatures. As for me, I own an Si that did get noticeable oil dilution. I got all the symptoms and did notice how it got worse when I took frequent short trips vs driving it a little longer to warm it up and vaporize any gas in the crank case....More importantly the software update that Honda issued was effective in fixing it. From my observation, it seems the software update simply throws out the old warm up trim..It runs much leaner on cold start, and "warm up mode" is MUCH shorter (typically 1-2min at -15C). I haven't been able to detect oil dilution since even after reverting to my shorter commute. As for LSPI...the problem is in its name. If don't you put your engine at high load while at low rpm it won't happen. That's a complicated way of saying: DOWNSHIFT if you want to accelerate (it only comes in a manual anyways, there's no computer that could even induce this problem). To me having LSPI because you are flooring it at 2000rpm, seems more like driver error than an actual mechanical issue...Yes marketing may say "you get peak torque at 2100rpm", but no person in their right mind would lug their engine that badly.

I have an 18 and I was the same way. I was shopping used gt Mustangs and used audi s8's and someone talked me into giving one a chance. It's obviously stock not super fast but it handles great and makes me laugh every time I drive it. It's worth the test drive. I definitely caught similar design cues when I drove it after having driven the NSX a few times.

People dont realise this but if your trying the civic si there are two cars that are better....soon to be three. The Elantra GT N line is an amazing car, its faster than the civic si, and it has incredible handling i mean incredible. Its almost on the veloster N level. I can get one with the manual in canada starting at 28 k. The Si starts at 30999. Thats 3 grand difference. The 1.6T is a much better motor than the 1.5T. The Veloster R spec in the USA or just the 1.6T its called in canada can hit 60 in 5.9-6 secomds flat. Thise start here at 27 grand and 500 bucks for the lightweight 18 inch wheels with pilot sport 4 tires. Also the new 2021 elantra gt and elantra are coming out both with N line treatment. Might get the 2.0T base engine from the USA at 250 hp. The full veloster N is either getting a 2.0T with a bunp in power or getting the 2.5T with 304 PS and 311 ft lbs. The new elantra N sedan is coming too. Civic better up their game because the koreans are coming

I own a 2001 prelude and shit just re make the original with the new type r engine in it lol I would dish out that money soooooo quick XD

Did ya get the manual

@@twinkiparadise7682 I think they forgot to throw it in the glove box

But it’s a Hyundai. I mean maybe for a winter shit beater

@@BobO-zo2bi Comes with summer tires. No way you're driving that in the winter. Unless you're like me.

@@BobO-zo2bi you might want to reevaluate your opinion on Hyundai's. Their not the same cars from 10years ago(which were shit) hell even 5years ago. They stole(hired) the guy who made all of BMW's "M" Performance line cars. They had him make up all the "N" line Hyundai cars like the Veloster and i30. They also hired the same guy who designed all the Audi cars (notice a resemblance in the two car companies front bumpers much?). Hyundai has the *best* warranty in America period. 10yr/100k powertrain, 7yr UNLIMITED miles anti perforation, 5yr UNLIMITED miles Roadside Assistance(big plus here), and 5yr/60k mile new car warranty. No other car company does this Period. Why would a company that supposedly is a "beater" and falls apart have such a unbelievable warranty on It. I'm sorry to come off rude but you sound like a Honda fan boy who doesn't actually know any factual information and just says what he feels. Hondas have fell off in reliability over the years trust me, they are not what they used to be. Don't believe me right? Do yourself a favor and Google "Top 10 most reliable car brands" and tell me what you see. Oh what's that's? Hyundai and Kia are 2nd and 3rd meanwhile wheres Honda? Not beating them two that's for sure. Honestly I thought the same as you about Hyundai's until I was inside a new one and let me tell you they have made huge strides. Ive seen some comments in here that got it right. "Most fun car to have under 30k" should be the Hyundai Veloster "N". I guarantee you if he test drove one back to back he would be singing another tune.

@@2010ngojo bc it's so hard to get winter tires? Lol

Just go w a type r lol useless having a hatchback w a small ass space

I think the engineers designed it to have rev hang for emissions purposes. That said, they haven’t “fixed” the rev hang in the 2020 model either. Edit: also it seems people have gotten around the rev hang issue with a tune

Honda has built a name for itself. Sure some people might pick a hyundai over a Honda but not people that value their money or don't have as much to waste

@@eagle25311 Have as much to waste? You must not realize Honda has been having problems left and right and not what they used to be bud. Honestly I'd bet a paycheck you own an Si and trying to justify your purchase. If you enjoy it that's all that matters, but putting down another car company to justify your decision is wrong. Do yourself a favor and Google "top 10 most reliable car brands". Ohhh wheres Honda? Not at the top anymore that's for sure. And would ya look at that who is but Hyundai, Genesis,and Kia. All 3 of these car brand have stepped up in strides lately. I can go on and on how Honda is truly shit now man. Oil dilution problems, small turbo engines that eventually will blow, crv having to have timing replaced at 40k, gas in the oil creating a nasty smell in Cabin? Shall I go on? If you haven't noticed Honda isn't what they used to be your either a fan boy or just Never do any actually homework and reading. ln gonna go with a little of both. Hyundai, Kia and Genesis are both doing really well, better than Honda. Go to a Hyundai dealership and test a drive a Veloster N and tell me it's not an incredible car for the money and much better car in every way than an Si(it's not even on it's level and compared to a type r actually that's 10k more lol). Go sit in and test drive a g70 or 80 and tell me the interior isn't leaps better than any Honda "luxury" sedan. Seeing what Hondas response was if they fixed known issues like Rev hang and Oil dilution for 2020 alone was utter ridiculous. "No we did not fix rev hang". "We release a software upgrade that helps but doesn't cure the Oil problem". Lol like what? And don't sit there and tell me "well I haven't ran into any problems". Understand this issue *still* has not been fixed and their currently trying a special type of oil for it to work correctly. So your slowly killing that engine. Lol if that isn't enough to steer clear Idk what is. Idk why I even try this prob goes in one ear and out the other. However if you've done some actually investigating and factual reading, other than spewing out shit other people say or catches on. You would have known it was Hyundai's agenda and plan all along to at first sell us shitty cheap beater cars. See they new they didn't have a following here In America. So when they started offering their cars here in the early 80s, they were made cheap and just to get people from point a to b. They did this for decades while Americans bought Alot of them(look on the road there are tons of Hyundai's out there) bc they were so cheap. Until they made enough money to make much higher quality and luxury care at an affordable price. Which is the current time were in. Bet you didn't know this either. New Hyundai's have more German roots and feel to them than anything really. Why? They brought over and hired the guy who created all the BMW "M" performance cars to create Hyundai's "N" line of cars. They also hired the guy who designed all the Audi cars to design their Hyundai cars. On top of that they have a factory down the road from the Nurburgring track in Germany. Where they test and tune their cars before final production is rolled out. So they have more a German look and feel to them more than anything. Take the front badge off any new Hyundai, looks like an Audi front grill right? I can keep going but hopefully I provided enough information for you to realize how ignorant that comment was of yours about Hyundai, I'm sorry. Next time do your homework before looking like a fool please. I'm not trying to be rude here. I work construction (Union Local 40 Manhattan Ironworker) and drive a commute around 90mi a day. I'd take a Hyundai over Honda at this given current time. This is just my opinion but the new Civics I don't like the look of one bit. HDMI exhaust, ugly vents that serve no purpose and shitty infotainment system. Take me back to the older naturally asperated Si's. Yea to me Hondas been dead for quite sometime since getting rid of prelude, s2000 and the Acuras as well. Sad. However this is simply my opinion and everyone likes what they like, that's all that should matter.

Billy Hughes totally agree. that or make an economy version of the Type R I can afford!!

Anonymous i don't think you understood. The SI comes in a coupe and sedan but we want it also in a hatchback. The SI has active suspension, limited slip diff and other features and is in my price range but it is not avail in a hatch.

I think the hatchback is a little too ricey for me. The coupe too but much less so.

4 days in i love mine so much fun to drive..

how much ya’ll pay for your? i got a 2020 as well im in socal

I have a 2018 focus st and sold my 2014 mustang for it. The ST is way more fun. Better to drive a slow car fast then a fast car slow.

@@hoodman420 I agree but the Focus and Fiesta ST are no longer for sale and the Miata and BRZ are not fast cars by any measure.

My thoughts exactly. And what about the 2.0T Accord Sport? Faster and has a lot more utility. I may be getting into left field here, but how about the new Escapes? The 2.0EB with AWD does 0-60 in < 6sec and is *faster* than the SI in the 1/4th mile. Can pick up new SELs equipped with that powertrain for around $27k. Even if you don't like that particular example, there's just no way the Civic SI is the most fun for sub-$30k.

Being fast in a straight line is great and all. But handling is where it's at. Is it the most fun under 30k? Nah, not even close. But it's one of the best all-rounders for under 30k. Decent handle and acceleration. Decent fuel economy and it's fairly practical.

smith jones Accord 2.0T costs 25% more than the Si, weighs more, and doesn’t come with an LSD. Though the power to weight ratio on the Accord is better, from a driving perspective that’s all it has going for it.

bobs jeep: how was it swapping out the interior and break/turns to LED? Could you just swap bulbs or did you have to do the whole tail light assembly?

JogBird LOL

😆 That’s an ugly hot mess like my ecoboost F150 engine bay

The clutch inconsistencies is annoying, but pretty understandable. First off, it's a typical Honda hydro clutch, and in the cold the fluid tends to get thicker. I've heard that taking off the CDV may help with this as a side effect, but I just learned to deal with it. The AC clutch feel is actually just because it's a small engine. Had the same issues with a B16 Honda a few years ago. Honda small displacement engines just don't have ANY torque at low rpm, so even the compressor is putting noticeable load on the engine.

skifree I changed out my Honda gear fluid and like it better

@@skifree0 What is a CDV?

@@t.k.morris clutch delay valve

@@skifree0 Have you removed it or know if that fixes the problem?

Dave Kaylor RIP Neal Peart

Any trouble with oil dilusion?

@@hillbillysportsman5818 none, everything going great.

@@hillbillysportsman5818 I don't know if it makes a difference, but I only feed it premium fuel.

Not with the stock controls. They can be turned off, but will re-enable when the car is re-started.

The turbo gives more power from about 2000 rpm and beyond. It's more of a torque adder, but also allows the engine to be a 1.5L.

It makes 200hp to the wheels. Look up Dyno. Underated. Engine makes 230-245hp.

Noah Lara or over inflated dyno. Trap speed = average power through the quarter mile. The new Si has virtually the same trap speed as older Si with similar power numbers.

Suicidal!

sadly, no.

Yes, all 2019 and newer models have a software fix implemented at the factory that improves this issue. It does not completely eliminate the possibility of oil dilution if the owner continuously ignores general advice for GDI engines.

Yes they did, not only software but a part replacement next to the ac was changed

@@kcav1255 What is the general advice to fix the problem?

@@t.k.morris Get the engine up to temp as soon as possible. Which means no cabin heaters on. No excessive idling on start up. Etc.

K. Steele for under $30k the veloster N... that thing is awesome

Jason W If yours the Golf R or GTI? I do like the interior and ride/handling of the Corolla. its very luxurious similar to Lexus because they made the frame very solid. Also I wanted a Golf myself but two people beat me to the two local 2015 TDI Golf's at my VW dealer. The one year GTI also sold quickly. i wound up with Sport Hatchback and it had too much road noise before I fixed it. $20,800

@@jamesmedina2062 I had leased a 2016 GTI. An amazing car, but it was in the shop often. I really wanted my wife to buy a Sport Hatchback, but it didn't resonate with her. I am very happy that Honda and Toyota are bringing back hatches, now if they'd bring back 2 door hatches that'd be even better!

Jason W You can't go wrong to daily drive either one and the Toyota will be more breezy to maintain. I'm a little envious. I was not a fan of the audio but overall love the interior. On the Civic with 17 inch wheels and low profile 40 series tires, the Sport Hb is crazier and fun on freeway driving but the engine has less grunt from a stop than others. I built my exhaust and it now breathes well above 3k to redline but this is not needed usually. If my car is often overkill powerwise can you imagine the Type R? That is serious racehorse overkill! Btw we had two Integras and three Legends, then later the lettered cars: MDX, CL, TL, newer TL, TLX. Around town the Legends were king because of the easy torque of the V6. The Integras handled like a dream but were pretty rough over bumps. Its funny you and I both went VW as well. I owned 3 Passats, never my dream car: GTI. I fear timing issues and carbon, but I wish I had the comfort. In Civics only the Type R has great seats rivaling Golf

Probably have to take it off yourself or bring it to a shop

I looked on Honda's website and could not find a factory option for removing the wing. You would have to go to a shop. I also would get rid of the exhaust that looks like a HDMI port.

@@dillonh321 that's next a factory delete option for more money 🤣

@@tonychau1983 Lol. It needs it tho. Great driving car but the wing and exhaust need to go! I may purchase one but before it even touches my driveway those need fixed. I had a 2001 Civic EX coupe. It was a fun car but the first thing I did was remove the wing.

@@dillonh321 I'm looking for a 09 si. I like the older ones. Just want it to.drive stick and beat it up a bit.

The base coupe with 158 horsepower actually has VTEC and is still really fun, but everyone talks about the turbo because it makes more power

Having a turbo negates the need for vtec. Yea it sucks but it's not needed.

Yes true , but it does have a nice little turbo

@@Tool0GT92 I'd rather have more displacement and VTEC to work with than a turbo. You can always add a turbo later.

Carter Davis And No oil dilusion🙄

Thanks for the heads up lmao

Indeed Marc. First time I see somebody else mention that. If the rear of the sedan version had the rear of the coupe, I'd definitely get the sedan. Agreed about the HDMI exhaust too. But people have been replacing that with regular tips. Look around on youtube; some installed quad exhaust tips, hahaha!

Hi also in the GTA, picking up my 2020 2.0 6 speed next week. What kind of gas consumption you getting in litres?

@@garykang1948 Morning rush traffic going away from core (dundas ramp to steels on dvp) which is +8min delay I can get 6.0L/100km. However, it requires hyper-milling...using the engine to slow down and giving yourself space. Easy to do, just down shift by the 10th. While coasting, if 40km/hr down-shift to 4th gear, once you get down to 30km/hr downshift into 3rd gear...etc (coasting means your in gear without using gas). At below 20km/hr it's too slow to take advantage of engine deactivation..so when going that slow, do whats comfortable. The car will pull on it's own 15km/hr in 3rd gear, 10km/hr in 2nd gear, 6km/hr in 1st gear without any need for gas. So in really heavy traffic, i'm driving only with my left feet..since you can control your speed depending on which gear you're in (need to shift slow to make it smooth)... btw, I only use shell premium, I find the car pulls better at ultra low rpm (below 1000rpm) with that blend.

The Type-R uses that engine with a better tune and makes 306hp.

Doesn't have an LSD, way more body roll, more 10th gen aftermarket support and community,

It's called the Type R. It has the 2.0T from the Accord with a bigger turbo and stronger pistons I think. Makes round about 306 Horsepower. Has LSD and all the other Honda sport stuff.

they don't blow up.

@@brianmahlstedt6794 Which one?

@@mohamedalkaboom Not only have I read the pertinent reviews, I've driven them. I don't dispute that the SI might be more fun on a tight track. What percentage of new SI buyers track their cars? Is it even 1%? Seriously doubt it. Darting from stoplight to stoplight is the overwhelmingly typical use case, and for that particular use case, Accord Sport 2.0T > Civic SI. And when you're not darting around city streets, the Accord is much more useful. Don't have to ask other people to help you move certain bulky items like large TVs. Disclaimer; The 4-door SI would probably split the difference in terms of utility.

I like to mow accords down around corners but really the si is fun handling even daily driving lol. Utility? That's what my truck is for. The si is just for my 80 mile per day commute to work

Luke Said SEDAN

Coupe

Depends on your needs. I only have it for daily commuting so I got the coupe cause I like the looks better. If you carry people all the time then obviously get the 4 door

Coupe

What problems does it have.

@@jponz85 10th gens with the earthdreams 1.5L turbo engines (also CR-Vs) have had oil dilution issues. I don't think 2020s have been out long enough to determine if it really has been fixed. As long as you don't drive very short distances all the time, you should be ok.

five40kix I’ve seen the CRV needing timing chains and guides with around 47K not what I’d expect from Honda

Douglas Tong Exactly! Any civic in its current body style still makes you look like “a 20 year old wannabe”. I’d say they need to back to back this si against the gti and I bet the dialog would be different.

@@johnbcardin Yes, and the GTI is about as stealthy as you can get, too. I don't mind not being stared at. I just like that it goes, turns, and stops pretty flawlessly (with a nice exhaust note, too.)

I owned a '15 GTI (no LSD), now in a 2020 Si. GTI felt like it had more grunt from a standstill, but from a roll the power is basically the same. Much "sportier" seating position in the SI, shift pattern is tighter and throws are shorter, and the close ratio transmission in the SI is way more fun. Top of 2nd in the GTI was 70mph, in the SI 2nd tops out around 55. If I had both available and I was heading for so e Twisties, I would take the Si. If I already owned one or the other, the difference would not be enough to make me switch. But major mechanical issues with the GTI out of warranty was enough to make me switch 👍

@@st4xor Thanks for the comparison. I'll really have to take a drive and see. I, too, had a weird whine develop in the transmission. Luckily, I only had 36k miles on the car, and it was fixed under warranty.. Everything still worked fine with the noise, but it get louder with speed. The dealer took over a month to try to figure it out. Actually, they said it was VW that tried to diagnose the problem, even sending in an engineer from the factory. Ultimately, I got a new 6 speed. Everything else had been great. (I noticed VW dropped the warranty from 5/60 to 4/48 for 2020.) Have fun in your Si!

@@douglastong3208 So would you say that the GTI is reliable now? The 2019 model?

@@mohamedalkaboom Are the 2019 GTI models unreliable?

For under 30k? There's a few. Brz/86 comes to mind.

It's not probably because the st is only 2600lbs the si is closer to 3k

It has a turbo.

Ryan McFarland - then turn up the wick

I see them everywhere in my city

Wake up