2020 Toyota Supra Review | Judgement Day 

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I just want a Mk3 supra turbo, you should review one of those haha

I forgive you. As long as you save some room for me.

This Supra is a BMW 135i N55 that costs 6 times as much. If you get MSRP

I just kept hearing farts in the opening of the video are you sure it doesn't have twin turbo?

Lol, I'm gonna buy whatever I want despite SavageGeese. I'm stubborn and go against his recommendations, probably because I want to experience for myself what my choice brings.

Thomas Tran how are you enjoying it?

Agreed. I have an RCF with carbon/TVD in Molten Pearl and Savage Geese' review was the only honest and properly detailed review that swayed my decision.

qxANGELxp So how is that Ford Ranger treating you?

@@livegoodeathealthy5049 Who Savage Geese? No, he is an enthusiast who races on the track. He has owned E92 M3, S2000 etc. and tracked them. He absolutely hated the ISF. He is not a Toyota fanboi at all. He has very high level of technical knowledge about chassis, suspension, engines etc. He talks objectively rather than subjectively.

Jimmy Camey savagegeese is easily the best car reviewer

@@Arizona9001 He's the only reviewer that I know that lifts the car. My other favorites are RedLine Reviews and Alex on Autos because they pack in so much information in ~20 minutes each episode (even though they don't lift it). I love SavageGeese as well. For example, during SavageGeese's Durango review, he said "if you dick around with the handle a bit, the back seats will fold down" and I died laughing. I love how vulgar he can be. Also his intros are always beautiful, especially this review. He shows the car in 3 or 4 different scenes. So good.

@@chadhaire1711 Prove it.

@@chadhaire1711 says right here that it pipes fake engine noise into the cabin. You must not be so good at your job. See? I can be condescending, too. www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a29829552/2020-toyota-supra-sounds-fantastic-with-this-aftermarket-exhaust/ Also here's a video of a man deactivating the fake engine noise. There's a before and after clip in it as well. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q5di747-WCA.html

It's quite amazing that one guy can make the world's best car reviews while putting to shame Motortrend's videos with a half dozen writers, editors, and camera crew. Good bye legacy media!

"It's just a BMW. It's hard to get in and out. Fake sounds in cabin. It's just a BMW. It's unreliable. IT DOESN'T LOOK like the concept! It's just a Z4" Is all 100% true. So I don't see the issue. Toyota lied to fans and enthusiasts about 'partnering' with BMW to lower costs, and lied how the development was separate, when it really wasn't. Toyota is the second largest automotive company next to the VW group... They could easily afford to make their own car... they could've even sold it at a loss and subsidized the costs across multiple years of sales to break even and into profit without denting their company wallet. They chose not to. They didn't care enough about it. It was a last-ditch attempt at silencing everyone wanting a new Supra, without caring enough to make one, just to make a quick buck. This deserves to be criticized forever, and NEVER forgotten.

@@enigmaPL Sorry to tell you but... your comment clearly dictates why you're not an automotive executive. Your idea really makes no business sense. Why would a company sell a mid level sports car or any product for that matter at a loss? The only time a company would ever sell a product at a loss is a halo product. This product is used as a marketing tool and offers a trickle down effect etc. Also, when did Toyota lie? Proof? There is no mass market for sports cars anymore and partnering with BMW was the ONLY way for Toyota to justify the cost in producing the Supra. Economies of scale allowed BMW and Toyota to make the Supra affordable as well. If developed in house, it would easily have cost around the same price as a Lexus LC500 due to having to spend the R&D on a whole new inline 6, transmission, chassis etc. -- pointless really. At that point, you would cry why it's so expensive. Instead of being happy Toyota is even bringing out a sports car nobody will buy, you complain. Typical internet keyboard warrior. If you really want a next gen Supra a kin to the MKIV developed in house, that's what the LC500 is for. Like the MKIV, it's a big GT that is 100% Toyota.

@@sdlausen1 And yet, there are more sports cars on the market today than there have been in the past decade, all doing well. Manufacturers making the best of the best iconic models, selling well and providing great marketing just by creating a damn good product. How is it everyone else can manage it, but the second largest automotive company in the world, cannot? They took an iconic name, for the flagship model of the company, and put it on another manufacturers mid-tier car, to call their own. It's absolutely pathetic, and just as pathetic is defending that practice of corporate greed and short term profits above all else. As for 'proof of Toyota lying'.... I hope you're joking.... If not... Just look over all the marketing bullshit they spewed, then see for yourself how much of it was true, and convince yourself. Because something that blatant cannot be explained.

@The Norm Macdonald Show I guess you magically want Toyota to make money on a car nobody will buy. You also want to spend $100k on a Supra that nobody would buy. Why don't you just by an LC500? I'm no fan of the BMW/Toyota collaboration on the Supra, but it was the only way Toyota could financially justify producing it.

@The Norm Macdonald Show You make no sense. If you think Toyota made the Supra to make a "profit" out of a low volume 2 door niche sports car, you're smoking crack cocaine. You clearly have no business sense or understanding of it. I guess you just rather not even have a Supra at all. Like I said, want a modern day Supra, BUY A Lexus LC500! It's a big GT car like the MKIV

You can probably remove it like in most cars

@@MaxSpeedMike yeah I was hoping he would say that in the review and show the switch

@@superharold100 i'll be sure to show it when i review the a90 lol. I loved this review regardless. Very different, and honest perspective on the car compares to the other ones.

Yeah and that fake sound is hideous too.

reviewers may not like it, but buyers do.. else they wouldn’t do it

cubicle. . . such a sad life

@@carlosandleon meh, I'm young and have a great work life balance. Can't complain

Wow you busy articulated my feeling and emotions of this car. Tyvm

It's just a stunning car and you can still appreciate the charm of it even though some people have their qualms with it's development

I get this. It’s because the one you want has a manual. Which as of yet, doesn’t exist

I remember one person in a video bent his control arm when this car a few month back.

lol tesla too but even worse than bent, their lower control arm would just crack and dislocate completely off

Never heard of any bent suspension parts on BMWs short of an accident.

@Richard Favreau Or just get a truck. I have similar wheels for yr.s but I have a long time habit of steering around potholes, curbs, landmines and such.

@Richard Favreau My area roads aren't all fine but they are not quite 3rd world either and I have personal vehicle controls in use FULL TIME when driving, I don't text, talk, look at a phone or even play the damn tunes a lot. I DRIVE when I'm driving a sports car especially. That's not your thing tho?....maybe a sporty car is not your style. Hardly an insult just an observation.

If the geese gives consent it's a fair game...lol

What up?

saw the same thing, I was wondering if BMW made these changes in their engines or only the Toyotas got the improved engine.

Lance Richardson Where did you guys read this? I’m super interested to see what changes they made!

@@pascutiame too! Once they become 20k I'll buy one without a doubt

@@lancerichardson8023 Unless the changes were so drastic they essentially make it a whole other engine, it would be cheaper for them to mass produce one design so it's probably for all of them.

Jakob Holgersson this engine is almost identical to the b58 that been in other bmws for years

did you get it??

No, i got a Lexus gsf

Good choice, now that the GS is gone :( However, long live the IS500!

You made the right decision. BMW s are garbage.

@@PatrickHenryLibertyorDeath let me guess your friend of a friend of a friend had a bad experience so they’re all garbage, am I right?

I got mine in September. I LOVE IT. The ladies love it too LOL. It’s such a good car. I’m glad we got ours ! How much you wanna bet that after the production runs out, everyone will want one lol.

@@alexiep2422 When the production runs out everyone will want to sell theres... as a mechanic who despises current AWFUL BMW design. I can safely say it will start falling to pieces in less then 10 years. Don't let the Toyota badge fool you... this is 100% a BMW through and through. No true DRIVERS cars are automatic. Unfortunately, almost all current sports/super cars are made for posers who can't or won't be bothered to actually... you know... drive the car!

@@ejkk9513 You can speak for yourself, but plenty of people enjoy and prefer "Driver's Cars" in automatic. Don't go thinking you are the final word on what an enjoyable car entails. The driving experience is about the whole car, the transmission is only a piece of that.

Very true

Tiffany Chen SavageGeese is one of the best that no one has heard of.

Tiffany Chen, serious question. Are you buying a new Supra? I just can't see myself driving one..

웅이 i don't think i will. i have nissan 370z.

@@HiBunnyGames 370z? Nice. Me neither. I'd rather have a Mustang than this Supra.

masmcg Toyota is run by bean counters and quarterly gross profit margins. Sad really, used to be some real great engineering that came from that company.

Toyota: We meant affordable, reliable AND good. GM: Erm............. can I have my beer back now?

GM has economies of scale on their side and they already make their own sports cars, neither of which are something Toyota is in a position to leverage. The C7 Corvette US sales alone match worldwide sales numbers of the FRS/BRZ/86 combined, despite being significantly more expensive. GM also already has the tooling and space to facilitate the new Corvette by converting the old one where Toyota would have to either massively expand operations (expensive and would push any vehicle with the performance envelope they were looking for beyond a reasonable price point) or axe an existing, profitable product line, to make the tooling and space available for a product that would likely be less profitable. Rather than take risks like that, Toyota chose to leverage existing manufacturers and product branding to make a sports car with the Toyota name a reality.

@@Nemoticon reliable with a BMW engine? We will see about that.

@@lynxis Yet Mazda, which is literally one TENTH the size of Toyota in terms of revenue, can build a dedicated sports car platform all by themselves that isn't shared with any of their other vehicles (Miata). Yes, Fiat gave them a suitcase full of money to borrow it for the 124 Spyder, but even if you make that argument, Mazda and Fiat COMBINED are still MUCH smaller than Toyota. Toyota absolutely COULD have easily afforded to build this car themselves, but they didn't have the nerve. They should be EMBARRASSED that their halo car is designed and built by BMW. It's inexcusable. That said, I'm glad the BMW Supra and Z4 exist. I still won't consider buying one until they've been out long enough to have a proven good reliability record (which I'm VERY skeptical of, because... BMW) and until they put a manual transmission in it. That is the ultimate deal breaker for me - and most true driving enthusiasts.

unplug the speakers, good to go

Small issue, lots of aftermarket for that

Petty

@@Gchang54 Petty? In a world where you can configure every thing from shock damping rates to interior ambient lighting color how can the simple ability to turn off fake engine noises be considered petty?

@@justpassnthru if that's a dealbreaker for you, in my opinion, that's a petty reason. I'm sure there will be a cheap aftermarket solution to solve that "problem"

It's still a low production car that while can be slightly profitable the margin is extremely small. It serves more as a halo car to attack new customers or to make the brand more interesting. The video was misleading on a little detail, the engine was co-developed. We will see for reliability but I'm sure it will pass the toyota mark

@@n.d.4317 Cant use that excuse. It's not at all low production if the average BMW dealership has no less that 5 Z4s sitting out on the lot, getting rained on. The Supra has 100 percent mechanical parts commonality with everything but piston heads, ecu and switchgear. Switchgear is from the old 3 series and looks like garbage. So, no. It's a slightly different BMW. Not at all low production.

yeah they literally invented lean manufacturing.

@@n.d.4317 Saying this engine was "co-developed" is like saying that I co-developed an engine with a manufacturer because I took and engine and modified a few components to suit my taste i.e. I co-developed a new engine with Toyota when I put a new cold air intake on my corolla engine.

@@cduncan5690 You should get more and better information.

almost. nothing is worse.....well there's the rest of the shifts

OnDay 7 *than

My favorite news story of the last few months ☠️

Don’t notice them

@fabaum22 they are functional. There's videos explaining dct farts. Just doesn't sound that great

Thats about my only need as well.

Only way a standard tranny will be offered is customer demand. Toyota's collab with BMW was to cut costs to begin with. I don't think they will risk it. Or maybe they might make special editions with manual.

@@imty8774 there is no demand. 1% of US car sales r manual. Every one is cutting their manuals like audi and bmw

@@Theaverageazn247 This, drivers ed where I live don't even teach manual unless you specifically ask.

@@Theaverageazn247 That's a B.S. statistic. It has to be an option before people can buy it. The option has been eliminated in all but a few vehicles. I'll give you that even when it IS an option, they sell far less than slushboxes, but true driving enthusiasts will prefer a manual in a sports car. The manual take rate is still very high in drivers cars like Miatas.

Corvette C8 : Are you sure about that?

@@Jstn150cc 'ONE OF'

ah yes, the car is made of car...2019 car.

the rAbb1t hole I think... it was a joke lol

Was!

Except when you try to drive with the windows down

@@kamikaziblack $8.99 Amazon fix my guy.

There's a lot of BMW there to go bad besides the engine...

Paul von Helger yeah the B58 is known to be a good engine. But maintenance costs, electronics etc. are what get you

Or, you know, merge two cars at one facility to save money? You shitters still haven't figured out why Toyota/BMW partnership happened and how it brought us a great Convertible and a great Coupé instead of nothing.

@@inspectorchicken who are you? Roberts Blossom, in Christine? getyarn.io/yarn-clip/6d6e07f2-bacc-43b8-880d-70f11768e8c9

@@fuddrucker74 gold

@@inspectorchicken I know you're the head of BMW research and development using a fake RU-vid account.

@@FnVir I am and this is my real account

Well I still see people rolling arond in 240i and 440is still ever since they came out so this may not he as bad.

The electronic one, not the engine Surprisingly BMW engine (espescially most of I6) is so durable, the electronic fall apart before the engine burning oil like a mad

True

Yeah except VANOS and bearings...

Carboy Dorifuto party they came out two years ago

@ Nigel White Interesting to hear you describe your experience as a Japanese car guy. I have been the same for my entire adult life. Now, I am looking for a fun weekend car and I am considering a Mustang GT. I rented one on vacation and was thoroughly impressed by how far American cars have come. Like you said, performance per dollar ratio is through the roof. Additionally, a lot of the American sports cars still offer a manual option as they should. Glad you are enjoying the Camaro. I hope my Stang is just as rewarding.

And you bought one before they uglified the nose! 😁

@@Maelstrom8 "My Stang" people actaully say that?

lmfao

... Yes, it looks good, but the (car's) issue go way deeper than the looks. And that is where it goes all wonky.

Didn't expect to see you here.

@@GT-RTData9 ye

I thought the very same thing. :D I miss the off-color comments in Mr. Geese's reviews.

So, whos driving the manual?

Rowyn Maxwell We both drive manual transmission cars so that's why we would be fighting over a manual Supra. I would win though because I'd be paying for it.

Malik Martin you need to take a deep breath before you start typing. My comment was not meant to be taken seriously. You may need to seek professional help if you get upset when reading RU-vid comments. Now go try to find a life for yourself.

@Malik MartinDid you just go into a Trump rant? OMG GET HELP!

Nailed it

Ok thanks for letting us know.

Good to know, buddy.

You're welcome. Btw, I was responding to our hosts' remark about how Camaro & Mustang fans wouldn't go for the Supra.

So, what's your experience with German coupes? ...because that's what this is.

@@ZZZRaven65 I have yet to own one, but I have friends who own German coupes and I have attended some BMW Drive Events. Still considering...

I feel like the Supra is just a premium af brz/86. I mean that in a good way.

They're not even in the same stratosphere.

The BRZ has better appeal, it's a Subaru version of the 240Z or NA FD RX-7.

@@DarthVader-1701 I can see the appeal in both badges. Car is 98% the same, just a matter of taste imo. so many ppl in the past have asked me if the 86 is a Celica or a Supra though (pre-new supra) When I think Subaru I always think AWD & UEL headers. Toyota I associate more with RWD and Coupes. I love both brands, so I'd be happy rocking either badge :)

If you bought a BRZ it's probably because you couldnt afford a Supra lol

I feel like they are trying to push owners to modding it. This way if that BMW engine starts acting up, Toyota doesn't have to deal with it.

@@FilthyFauci sshut the fuck up

I was thinking Celica

You're focusing on entirely the wrong bit, lol.... the name is irrelevant, what is important is if it is a good car or not.

I wish it was designed and built in Japan by TOYOTA. If I ever want to buy a BMW (I won't), I'll buy a BMW,

@@Nemoticon Yeah that is the most important thing but car names should car some weight with regard to their history. Imagine if Chevrolet had tried to pass off an NSX as the new corvette.

... Wait until the mustang mach-e... Oh, wait...too late

@Charlie Vetsworth And yet Porsche has just offered the 2020 911 Carrera with a 7 speed manual. For chasing lap times a DCT is superior (which this BMW also doesn't have) - for pure driving enjoyment a manual is where it's at. I've owned a ZF equipped performance car - it's good, but it's nowhere near as engaging as driving with a clutch pedal.

Same with the Vette.....

@Charlie Vetsworth wrong to the max

@@carstech2685 dct is the future. Dont be stupid

@@MrColourclassic yes, Porsche had the manual 911 but the car is still much slower than its dct counterpart. Which means manual is of the past and Charlie is right

Most was shot by Jack and assembled by Goose.

savagegeese kudos for that post production work!

Guaranteed: if Toyota is involved, it’ll be boring, bland and uninspired.

*Uniquer

"*Uniquer" -- Kill me now.

This was epic win

"Judgement" - Judgment (It's in the title after all...)

@George Hugh -- Unless it's for UK audience, then "Judgement" would work.

This is the man you're leaving me for? Very well.

I wanna know how to get the Jungle Power!

It's getting hot out there...

You think you're straight?

@@taishou94 I'm cranking it all night

Lol. I guess some people prefers that. 🤣

_I recognize that bulge_

Also, the Supra needs a different kind of *tranny*

xD

Jonesmin Welcome to Chicagoland

Snilsson - Everyone seems to drive that way nowadays. I get it if someone up ahead is really dragging ass, but sorry, I’m not going 50 in a 30.

I'm the kinda guy to do those racing swerves behind your car if you're going too slow.

NPC No.1350 😂🤣

@@Albus_Rex I was wondering who that was. Jerk.

@@ELECTRICEYEMEDIA Too stupid to know what a false equivalency is, eh? Dumbass Gen Z'ers will be the death of humanity.

Nobody makes manuals anymore get over it guess you could buy an STI

@@jasonhudson8336 Nah, shaddup.

lmaoo