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5 seconds gain in 25 years or so in technology. I loved my 96 CR . Thanks for comparison I never got to ride a 450 I’m sure I would have liked it. Nothing like a screaming 2 stroke
@@Davido50 I’m sure I would. I keep up with all the racing it’s been great. J7 said he’s riding Reeds riding an going to race. Good time to be in the middle of the best sport in the world.
2 strokes 4 life. I'd like to have a crf 250 for trail riding. I don't do tracks anymore, I kinda like taking it easy now. Great vid and that 250 ROCKS!
Maybe use a Decent Cr 500 or KTM 300sx for the comparison, just can't undersand all these four stroke comparison matchups against 2 strokes with half the engine capacity, thank you
@@smittysmith4828 which was right for them when they first came out and were making hp in the upper 30s exactly where 250 2 strokes are. Now days pretty much all 450s are knocking on 60hps door and they arent very comparable.
@@smittysmith4828 they're not in the same class anymore. The races at my local park they put 250fs and 250 2 strokes in the same class. Horsepower rating is about the same with the 2 stroke having the edge on slightly more torque.
2t = funner 4t = winner I am almost age 50 an grew up on 2t but now slower reaction an lazier wich makes me faster on my 450. # I am still fast and I beat my sons half the time and they race MX/GNCC.
@@motoblast3574 I agree I had an 05 CR250R, had the top end ported and head work done by PC . Put a PWK 38 on it and it still wouldn’t hit as hard as my 96 did.. sold it and my 08 CRF450R found a beat 96 and built the ultimate CR250R.. Miss my 08, it hauled the mail but the 96 is so much more fun 👍🏻 . Love the video man . Thanks.
Have to love a 2 stroke!! 26 years old and still keeps up. You won’t be testing a 26 year old 4 stroke!! I love them both, the 4 stroke is so much easier to ride lazy!
30 years later people are still scared. You are an amazing rider and the power in the 4 stroke will be there but playing that clutch and gears is beautiful. I know a 500 would smoke anything if you ride it right. No hate at all. Racing and hill climbs I want a 2 stroke. 500 vs 450 they won’t do it.
Thanks Moto Blast for the video. That 1996 CR250 sure looks awesome. Ever think of doing test with a CRF250 vs. your CR250? The CRF would still have a 26 year advantage and I think that even the fight some. Said the 2 stroke lover.
Well this is what I get a kick out of everybody says that the four strokes smooth like a 125 two-stroke was 250s could be smooth with a little work People have gotten too soft today depending on computers settings fancy work to the front forks all the veterans in the 90s early 2000 didn’t have those luxuries and they were fast
Well the time has come and I felt this might be a place to start. I just looked up 2 strokes for sale and I actually couldn’t find but two meanwhile there were an abundant of 4 strokes for sale. People just don’t want them and the time is now for the switch back to the true racing machines. I also watched a pro motocross race today and the stands were empty. No one is going to the races. I big factor is the lugging 4 stroke but there are some other issues I won’t get into right now. If Honda and the others are listening it is time to bring back the CR250. Brand new on the showroom floor and with the new style body yet with the best CR250 motor made. You don’t even have to over do it and the bikes will sell. I am saddened at what has happened to the sport. Motocross has a strong blue collar background with young men that were proud to be tough but those kids can’t even come close to buying s bike now at these prices. It’s destroying the sport. If I was Honda which made the best racing 250 ever I would make sure the people get what they want. The news would spread far and wide and Honda would not even be able to keep up with the sales and parts. Honda, give us the finest machine ever made back to us. We won’t let you down
Both both bikes are sweet. I'm a 2 stroke guy but just a free rider and don't race organized races. That was a sick track though. I'm not used to seeing quads air it out like that. You usually don't see jumps that high on those tracks. What state is that in? I'm not asking you to give up your spot just asking the state. NJ here.
There u have it... almost 30 years of technology and 200 cc of displacement advantage. The results are not a surprise. Of course your going to be shifting and clutching more on the 2 stroke and be on the throttle more on the 4 stroke. Usually 2 stroke always beats it out on fun factor though.
I have a 97 cr250 and 05 450. I am absolutely faster on the 05, but have more fun, and get more tired, on the 250. I grew up racing 2t except for my first and last bikes, an xr100 and the 05
Great video man! Great comparison, but from someone who also have a CR250 96, from the sound of of it looks like it's choked of something and that might impact the lap time!
@@motoblast3574 Its not uncommon at all, Honda had several problems with reliability, power and frame structure during their 2T era, Kawi and Yamaha out built them in everyway during this time, which is ironics since on the road racing side of things, Honda at this time was insanely dominant. They became great at dirt in the 4T era, even the cr500 everyone raves about was vastly behind the times and underwhelming when compared to kawi's kx500 2t of that era. Edit: Yamaha is still improving their 2T's as is KTM and they both make arguably the best 2Ts of modern times. Kawi has recently become a contender in supermini's with the kx112, but it is sad to see no 125 from them.
Considering its from 1996, that is pretty good. If you would compare a race snowmobile from 2022 and 1996 the difference would probably be like 30 seconds......motocross was way ahead.
Hey! I have a custom 280mm front rotor and everything else is stock. Still doesn’t stop as good as a newer bike though. I recommend brand new pads and rotors and bleed the systems
You can tell he grew up in the four stroke generation he favors his 4 stroke ,but if you think about it the 250 is giving up 200cc , so I'd say for only losing out on a couple seconds is pretty awesome not to mention the age difference in the 2 bikes
Yes it's Inherent in the 2stroke engine design is why. 2 revolutions per firing etc. Once 4-stroke tech caught up the factories saw the writing on the wall. You work twice as hard to achieve a lower lap time on a 2stroke. Grew up racing 2strokes! I'm 49yrs old. Moved on many yrs ago. Still have 2 - RM 2-strokes (mid '00s).. but 2 - newer Yamaha 4-strokes .
@@andrewstanfill9305 2 Strokes have more torque and low end grunt, wayyyy more stall resistant, has that pop to be able to double blip and hop onto rocks and stuff, and also a big reason is 2 strokes run cooler than 4 strokes... 4 strokes overheat in scenarios where you do very slow riding... So this basically sums up why 2 strokes are a decent bit better than 4 strokes for hard enduro... more on the stall resistance... I've had myself in a few scenarios where I really thought, for a millisecond, my bike stalled, and I pulled the clutch quickly, and the bike magically just kept crawling uphill. It's sometimes just surprises you how it kept running even at some load... Also a very minor thing, and this I'm not very sure about, but I've heard 4 stroke engines can't run at very very steep angles, otherwise the oil doesn't reach the engine as it should, like for long continuous wheelies, or steep mountain climbs. Where the 2 stroke has it's oil in it's fuel obviously. Not sure if this last thing is really true though. Something to think about I guess.
@@johansmitphotography two strokes are just more fun and all the points you made certainly apply. Both require maintenance, it's easier on two strokes and costs less too. Good grief at the cost of four stroke engine bolt on goodies.
this is a really cool comparison but i think comparing bikes of the same years could be more accurate. i feel like a '22 yz250 would perform better than a '96 cr250. just opinions tho
Good ride and always try different things on my bikes and when I was racing KTM tried a high seat and it worked so well used the combo on my two strokes and then 4 strokes.
liked vid. I have 40 years of riding and still cant understand why do 4 stroke people compare a 250 2 stroke to a 450 4 stroke? and think their king. People need to compare cc to cc like 450r vrs 500 2t , 250 2t vrs 250 4t.
You look way more comfortable on the 450, definitely a really good looking track i wish i had something like that i could ride on. Really good job though
I had an 86 YZ 250 that I had much fun on. I learned to ride on a CR125 if am remembering correctly it was a 1981 Elsinore. Graduated HS in 85 so I was definitely a 2 stroke guy most my buddies were. I did have one friend that rode an Honda XR which for a four stroke in those days was a sweet ride. I am 56 now and with having back surgeries I And age my 2 stroke days are over😞but I sure live to watch
I rode a 2001 kx 250 for four years then got a new 2006 crf250r and it took me one day for me to be faster on track then the kx250 . The crf was easier to ride and I don't mean easy it just was better power across the whole rpm range less shifting and also there isn't a comparison between a kx and a Honda in the suspension and braking dept so that had a lot to do with being better on the Honda. My brother said I was gonna hate it cause it compared to a 125 2 stroke but I loved it to death compared to 2 strokes and yes I was that guy saying no way I'm getting a 4 stroke .
I'm 18 seconds into the 450 lap and I can tell you look considerably faster on it. I could be wrong. I have a 22 crf450 and an 06 yz250 and I'm curious to ride them back to back myself now
Yes, you’re right! I even felt faster while riding. You should do the test! I think the lap time would be closer if it wasn’t sand. The sand just eats up the horsepower
@@motoblast3574 I’ll have to do it. Just did fresh suspension, full engine rebuild w a new lectron billetron 38 and new bearings. Would be a good comparison to my 22 w full Factory connection suspension
Well I still don't get the logic behind comparing a 450 and a 250 two stroke. It's literally comparing two completely different displacements just because of an old ama rule. Literally no different than giving me a handicap in the 100 sprint and comparing me to Usain bolt.
Also a modern four stroke especially shouldn't be compared to a bigger displacement four stroke. I'm sure the ama didn't think that 250cc four strokes would one day come stock with over 50 hp.
@@lakedweller6572 I definitely liked the 96 chassis. My 97 with an fmf pipe pulled forever. I could skip shifts where others were shifting once more before a turn.
Thank you! Honestly depends on the track. I’ll use the 450 for more fun in the sand just because It’s easier to get speed. On some good dirt, the 2 stroke is more fun
Nice CR! I'm building my own that is also a 96. How or where can I get a PC pipe like yours? I'm not from the US so I only checked Pro Circuit page and they are out of stock :(
That’s awesome! Funny story about that pipe. I ordered from pc while they were out of stock. They said it would be up to 8 months. They called the next day and said they made a batch and it was ready to ship out. Just get on their waiting list.
@@motoblast3574 I ordered a new PC Platinum pipe for my 99 CR250R in Dec 2021, and I actually just called them yesterday 8/1/22, and still no ETA. He said they only make them in batches of 30, and they are currently up to 23 orders. I said cool, almost there! He said no, just because it reaches 30 orders, it doesn't mean they will immediately start making them since they produce the parts that have the highest demand. I would think they would go by what was ordered first, and I ordered mine Dec '21......come on, Pro Circuit. It looks like the FMF Fatty pipe has now become available, so I may just need to cancel the PC order and go with the FMF instead. Errr!
It's FACT the 4-strokes are faster around a race track! Hence why the sport has moved fwd. The 2-stroke holdouts should too! *Don't sell your Ole 2-strokes.. but do join the 4-stroke evolution w/all new bike purchases* .
