2022 Kia Telluride | The 3 Row Argument 

Yes but at 50k, the Telluride gives you everything. At that price the MDX doesn’t have ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, pano roof etc. I’d probably still prefer the MDX but it’s important to note.

Levels of 3 row SUV sadness: "See honey, we don't need a minivan!" "Hey, at least it's not a minivan." "Look, it was this or a minivan." "Should've just gotten the minivan."

No one should be paying over sticker for any vehicle,let the damn things rot on the lots for a while and then this ridiculous practice will end.It is the idiots willing to pay over sticker that are screwing the people that don't have the fund to pay over sticker.Wake up people and stop buying from dealers that are screwing customers.Good review guy's

“Hey what’s the markup on that?” “You can’t afford it pal. KIA.”

Seeing Mark drop the sun visor for Jack is just a daily dose of wholesome.

Bought my telluride loaded in June at MSRP. Love it without a doubt, coming from a Hellcat Grand Cherokee

The dealer mark up alone would remove any consideration for this vehicle. It is the coolest looking minivan I've ever seen though -- Kia did a good job.

I absolutely love these guys. I respect the hustle and grind and I love that they're having success. Quality stuff, man.

"mechanical impressions" might be my favorite car review segment. watching a bunch of your videos today and really enjoying that segment the most. good work, guys

A friend of mine bought one of these for his wife when they first came out. A loaded up model with all the bells and whistles and they love it, great value for dollar compared to competitors. He lives in a very rural part of western Canada quite a few miles from paved roads and it's been proven to be quite durable/reliable.

The guys summed it up perfectly, it's an all-round winner in the non-luxury 3 row category. Not perfect but ticks most of the boxes people care about. Such as front and foremost it's looks. The fact that it looks "Range Rovery" stately with commanding road presence is a huge win for Kia. You buy with your eyes first and in my opinion, this looks so much better than the current Highlander, Pilot, Accent, Atlas, even the new Pathfinder. The CX-9 looks good in a sporty MDX way but again doesn't have the commanding road presence of the Kia. I'm interested to see where Honda go with their next gen Pilot and Mazda with the all new CX-90.

I love that you guys show the underneath of vehicles on a car lift. Please continue offering great reviews 👍

They say that Kia refers to it as the Selluride because they can’t make enough of them.

Kia Telluride: for single moms with ONE child. Actual huge families are driving actual shortbusses and 90s land yachts now.

Thanks again for the high-quality content!

Great review and "coaching" moments for someone considering this segment and this product. Looking forward to the next review.

I think the exterior looks incredible.

I just went with a loaded 2021 Pacifica Hybrid, $2K under MSRP sticker, $7500 back from Uncle Sam next year, and 6 adults are very comfortable riding. Plus, haven’t been to the gas station in over 30 days and still have half a tank by plugging in each night. When the Goose, Jack, and Alex agree that a minivan is just more practical than most 3 row mid sized suv, it’s definitely pointing to a winner.

Thanks for "going back in time" to re-check this car. Its important to learn from the past, and your review covers the important details for a new purchase and for the used car buyer.

love your frank and pertinent comparisons and commentary. Thanks!!!

Bought a 2020 Stinger GT2. It's a well put together car and we love it. When the wife wanted an SUV we took a look at the Telluride. It is not the same build quality as the Stinger. It's not terrible but it's not ras good as the Stinger. The dealership had a $10K markup. Wouldn't let us take it for a test ride. Tried to hose me on the trade in. Ended up with a 2022 MDX Advanced for less, got a great trade-in value, was in and out in about 2 hours time. The SH-AWD and double wishbone suspension is no joke. The only thing that Kia does much better is the infotainment has a touch screen. The MDX stereo is better. I'm still a fan of what Kia is doing, but the dealerships are really aggravating...at least in our area. If you can get one fo r MSRP it's probably decent value, but for what they are going for it misses the mark for me. I love the exterior....the wife is not a fan.

The Telluride wasn't made for hustling through back roads! It is meant to be a versatile transportation conveyance that just happens to look cool, holds lots of cargo and has easy to use tech that works. This Telluride makes long road trips easy and that is why it can't be kept in stock

As always, great video!

A family friend went to buy a Telluride and the dealership marked it up 15k. So she went and got a Highlander. She loves it. We're looking at a Highlander also. We won't pay any markup.

Dealer pricing chased us away from the Telluride and availability meant no Palisade. We wanted a usable third-row for adults and considered a minivan again, but went with the Atlas. It checked all of our boxes. I know these guys focus on performance but we wanted a soft and quiet ride. We don't stop and stomp on the pedal EVER.

So it's built on a minivan platform with less kid space and a higher cost. Soccer mom's love it. They look so much cooler driving one of these versus a van.

I really liked the short segment/Segway of Mark and Jack talking about like "their perfect car" - interesting to hear their highlights from the different competitors - transmission, engine, etc

Boy that last sentence says it all. My local KIA dealer wanted about 9% markup and treated me like I was lucky they had one in stock and I'd be stupid not to buy it. NOOooope!

If you have more than 2 kids, get a second row bench, put the car seats 3 across and keep the 3rd row down. Then you will have plenty of room in the back for stroller, bags, groceries, etc. Thats the big mistake we made when we got captains chairs in the 2nd row.

I think it speaks volumes on how far the Korean brands have come how in both your reviews on the Honda Pilot and Toyota Highlander, you compare them to each other and other non-premium products such as the Atlas and Explorer. But your Hyundai Palisade and this Telluride review you guys compare them multiple times to the Grand Cherokee, Acura MDX, Audi Q7, BMW X7, Volvo XC90, etc... All cars that are premium brands and/or have a starting MSRP of $5,000 - $50,000 (X7) more than the Palisade/Telluride.

I’m 6’ tall and found the third row to be quite comfortable. When you compare it to the competition (mdx, Toyota, grand Cherokee L) , the telluride is even better.

If Kia can fix their dealership over charging issue, then this is absolutely close perfect SUV you can buy for true value

What's funny is Everyday Driver just bought a blue GR86, just like Jack did. Time for a joint video GR86 mashup!!!

A real minivan still completely blows things like this away in terms of cargo capacity. This thing has 87 CF? Big whoop. Kia's own Carnival has 145 CF. Just saying.

Last spring my buddy and his family bought a 2021 Pacifica Touring S AWD after watching your review on the Pacifica AWD. They only lost $3k from the original purchase of their 2018 Pacifica which had 36K miles on it when they traded it. Their new Touring S is completely loaded with the tech package, heated second row buckets. No air ride, and I am not a fan of minivans but it is a very nice ride.

I had a good nap when Jack Singapore started listing all the 3 row SUVs. Clicked the like button in my sleep and woke up to to a ultra premium CUV that my wife purchased without consulting me. I was upset, so we compromised. I am now paying $800/month for a Kona while "Pizza Hut" texts her at 1 AM.

My wife and I ordered a 2022 EX Premium in Dark Moss Green with the Nightfall package in January. Hopefully it will be here before August cause we are stoked to get it. It might be boring but its hella practical and will be an excellent people hauler for the next 10-15 years. Also because we ordered and waited and made a deal with out dealership for no ADM.

Got a CX-9 for a family car, I only drive on pavement, don’t go to the snow, and it hauls my kids just fine. Guess I’m a soccer mom, but it’s okay, I’ll get a daddy wagon once the RS6 Avant decreases in the used market. I would have looked at the Telluride, but the dealer markups and network didn’t do it for me. I like my local Mazda dealer.

I like how you touched the info screen three times as you were saying “ it’s fast to react “.

I want the 30 minute DOCUMENTARY LIKE videos, that is why a I subscribed in the first place.

Good, enjoyable, honest review. I’ve gotta say though, I think the Telluride/MDX is an apples/oranges comparison UNLESS you’re paying over MSRP for the Telluride. I’m paying MSRP for the Telluride we have on order. It’s fully loaded at around $52K. A comparably equipped MDX, when I build it on Acura’s website, comes in at over $67K. Also, can’t really be compared to a Q7 or X7. Way more expensive to buy and maintain than a Telluride. Those vehicles better have better handling and interiors!

I have the telluride and i cant wait what kia will come up with for the redesign. Before the telluride came out, i told myself that i would never get a kia. But when it did and i saw one on the road, i fell in love with it that i decided to get it. Im happy with it. Im close to 30k miles and have not come across any issues with it

I took the 3rd row out; now it has real room. Our mountain bikes can be carried upright on a custom rack inside. I just wish the Telluride would muscle up to where it could pull our 8000 lb sailboat . Some day our 1996 Isuzu Trooper might retire from that job.

In my opinion the Telluride is an nice SUV, but fell short in overall ride and performance. This was a very informative and honest review! Thanks 👍👍

The official car of "middle class fancy." Boy if you live in the 'burbs and own one of these, you are the bee's knees.

Cross-shopped Honda Pilot Elite and Telluride SX in the summer of 2019. Liked the Telluride better, but it was selling above MSRP and the Pilot was $6500 below MSRP. 2 1/2 years later, the differences between them that were important at the time are meaningless now. The Pilot does everything that I need, comfortably and reliably.

I test drove the 2020 Telluride and the Honda Passport two years ago. My reactions were the same: they did not feel like $40k+ vehicles. I saved a few grand and went with the 4runner which is far less luxurious, but is an absolute pleasure to drive. It feels like I am in control rather than the electronics.

Excellent review. It will be good to see Mark and Jack review the 2022 Subaru Ascent.

Could you guys do a review on the new stinger gt2?? I'd love to see your thoughts VS the tlx type s!

I paid $51,010 for my telluride last July. Carvana will buy it today for $58,000.

i like the way the teleride looks and the turn signals etc... its different, the auto industry has changed so much the past 5 years, 4 years, 3 years, 2 years and last year.

Anymore, I just watch these videos to see what music SG chooses for the intro video... (best intros in the biz...)

We are picking up our Telluride tomorrow. 22 SX with the prestige and nightfall package. I am a German car guy at heart but honestly I am super impressed from what I've seen with the KIA. Building other cars the Acura seems the closest in terms of price but even then 10k+ more with options. Feel like if you are stepping up to the next level with similar size and features you are spending at least $70k. Even maxed out around $52k I will deal with the 'faux' luxury and spend my money elsewhere.

Funny you mention the MDX...we cross-shopped the new MDX and the Telluride (we replaced a 2016 MDX last year). The MDX handles a bit better...but we liked the Telluride for pretty much everything else. Utilization of space, overall ride comfort, dashboard design (don't care for the dash layout in the new MDX), a third row you can actually put humans with legs in...and the materials in the Telluride SX are pretty nice. Not quite up to the MDX, but it's also like $10-$12k less comparably equipped. The Telluride is just really good at what it's trying to be, and I think it's a good value too even decked out at $50k.

I own a Telluride and tested an MDX, low 50s range MDXs do not have the same quality of interior materials and features. If you want a better interior than a Telluride you're looking at an A-spec at about 59k at least if not an Advanced at 64k. I'll confess MDX was a more engaging drive. For me it was the Tellurides greater interior room and predicted reliability that clinched it for me.

That sharp left hander killed me 😅

1:31 Certified dejavu moment: 'When it comes to the rest of the interior space'

@1:37…how’s the rest of the interior space?

Looked at a 2023 Telluride at the San Diego Auto Show today. The dashboard has been completely redesigned and is much better than the previous year. Unfortunately, none were available for a test drive.

Did they ditch the halogen lights with the LED running lights?

Why no mention of the Kia-Hyundai engine fires on my local news once a week? Cannot help resale demand.

You guys are the first reviewers that I’ve seen say anything negative about this bus. Everyone else acts like it is built by the hand of God himself (queue the thunder and lightning). I will come back to you again and again for real, honest reviews. Thank you!

"you brought up the exploder"...... cracked me up :-)

It's a compromised car, but in Canada it's priced very competitively, and it legally can not be marked up in most parts here. They definitely fly off the shelves in Canada. I recommend it to anyone i know who just wants a big car, but doesn't care about handling characteristics.

The Telluride has the styling that draws you in at first. And yes, it has its shortcomings. But every single wish that Jack had for this would've added to the cost, which is why almost every other SUV mentioned on that list costs more than the Telluride SX (assuming no markups). And this is where I believe the MDX falls as the next best alternative. It won't be as fully-equipped but most of your complaints will be addressed. But when it comes to packaging, the Telluride does it best. You're not going to find anything else out there unless you get a minivan. There's a new Telluride coming with design updates for 2023. Whether the ride (no pun) and underpinnings will be addressed is unknown.

13:24 - I love how you call the Ford product "exploder"

Interesting review. Kia/Hyundai have obviously figured something out in this segment with looks and performance because dealers cannot keep these in stock and I see these everywhere. It seems like the 3 row SUV to have. I like the more boxy rugged look of this SUV versus say the Honda Pilot which looks more like a mini-van. If it were me, I would spec the second row as a bench seat versus the captains chairs.

A podcast disguised as a review, sounds good !!

The biggest pitfall with this is what it's compared to in reviews. Every single reviewer (not just you guys) makes awful comparisons to the telluride/palisade twins which is why reviews always seem out of place when comparing this to other vehicles. The only competitors to the the telluride/palisade twins are the Traverse/Enclave twins and the Atlas. These are minivan replacements. Everything else falls into a different category. The issue is is that most people don't want to cross shop this with the traverse/enclave or the atlas, which makes it either stand out for its size or look like shit for not being luxurious enough. The only other segment this can legitimately be cross shopped with are literal minivans. Kia's biggest competitor to the telluride is the carnival, and no one wants to buy a minivan so the telluride wins by default The Durango, Grand Cherokee L and Explorer trade interior space for rwd, fat tires and big hoods with tons of room for big engines. They are incredibly compromised and their third rows are a joke, their cargo area's suck, and their load floors are super high. The Highlander, Pilot, Pathfinder, and Acadia all compete in a size class below these, like the old 3 row santa fe. They are shorter, the third row is compromised in size, the cargo area behind the second row is smaller, they are literally just a smaller class of vehicle. It's like saying a ford edge and a ford escape are the same thing because they're 2 row crossovers. Luxury offerings from any company just simply don't stack up, either they're near the same price and are significantly smaller, or are the same size class and are 30k more. The MDX for example, not only starts at around 50k, but is closer to the smaller 3 row's (like the pilot and highlander) in size with 20 less cubic feet of cargo space.

MDX seems like a perfect car, i think the design of the car is something you can get to like, but the way the car drives, feels and the audio system is just a knock out, also their reliability is a plus. I have been hearing bad things about Kia and Hyundai recently, but who knows if that is true.

Very well described ! How does it compare to the Atlas ?

I paid over MSRP for EX model. I drive it for Uber XL, I my passengers love it.

No more mark ups on any vehicle. Why reward a stealership that their order came in? They are taking advantage of people in a bad situation. Imagine having bad luck with an accident and you have to replace it and have to downsize or get a lesser vehicle because stealerships are marking up stuff because "fuck you that's why."

I waited 4 mo for my Wolf Gray Telly and I'm so happy with it. I luckily didn't pay any markup and for a new growing family, this is just what we needed. I agree with the handling statement but the space and comfort PLUS looks and features is what sold me on the Telly

I live in Atlanta and I see A TON of these on the road on a daily basis

What would you guys get this Vs a Tahoe Rst or GMC Yukon SLT?

Damn Girl, is you name Kia, 'cus I can Telluride!

Greedy dealers kept me from buying one.So I bought a Lexus.

Let’s be honest, who else has a small man crush on Jack? I didn’t expect that at all lol I was pissed when Mark bright someone else on board. And I told mark I was bummed that I only wanted him! Hahaha a year in and I’m saying I was wrong! Mark was right. Love the Mark & Jack car show. Sincerely it’s a good match! Love you too Mister Mark! You guys have a little magic in a bottle.

I have the same one as in the vid same color as well same trim.. i paid 60 grand for it.. 10 k above msrp.. i really wanted these when they came out and got one.. love the car and still worth the same amount as when i got it.. no regret at all i and the family love it.. i was looking for sumthing in the 60-70 tho mark so paying 60 wasnt a big deal to me at all

Buyers are cross shopping Telluride and Palisade against full-sized American SUVs, not against smaller Japanese SUVs like Highlander or MDX. GM needs to be very worried. I'm seeing Tellurides and Palisades everywhere but very few of the new Tahoe, Suburban, and GMC/Cadillac versions. You guys complain about $50K, but that's still below the stripped-out base model price of full-sized American SUVs. In that regard, Telluride and Palisade are a bargain.

Thanks for this video and comparing this with luxury cars. It has to be compared with MDX because the EX telluride MSRP is close to MDX base and SX prestige plus all package MSRP is very close to MDX tech package. Telluride is marked up like hell but I am able to get quotes from Acura dealers with very minimal or no markup. If telluride has markup and MDX has no markup then hands down it’s MDX. If both has markup then Telly. I personally like Telluride and it’s smoothness whereas MDX tries to be sporty with great handling but a underpowered engine. It’s confusing to the hell. Maybe buy MDX at sticker price and prebook a telluride. With new 2023 Telly we can get usb c and wireless CarPlay.

Impressive, very nice.

My dad just got this over a Genesis GV90 because he wanted 3rd row seats, even though he has no kids at home anymore. I hope he enjoys it.

This is actually the first sort of negative review that I’ve seen. I just bought one and didn’t pay mark up price. I ordered mine in December and went with the EX Premium Nightfall Edition and stayed under 50,000. And have drove several and for me you are wrong I went with the AWD and it’s great. And in sport mode this thing flys

Another great review but should give us the options they think are good. An X7 at $80,000 is really not a comparison.

One used one popped up at my local Kia dealership and my salesman friend told me there were people arguing over who would purchase it. Crazy out there.

We'll will have to see what the upcoming refresh will have in store

We all know Mark would rather buy a Pacific Hi-Bird if offered with AWD.

Editing mistake at 1:33 , send Jack to be serviced at a male strip house immediately.

That dead lookin Mark's eyes at 3:23 when Jack starts listing off all the 3-row crossovers... eff''n priceless..

It's a shame that dealers are getting really greedy with their markups. That, coupled with the 'sit back and take it' arrogance really chaps me. Keeping our paid for 2016 Ford Edge Titanium with a V-6, AWD, and only 23500 miles. Extended warranty for a year that equals one trade-in car monthly payment works for us.

How there’s not a million or 2 million subscribers on this channel is pure criminal 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

My brothers Kia engine on his 2018 failed. Kia fixed it and they immediately got rid of it.

what are premium counters starting at 50k? Similar equipped german premium are 70k+

The answer is usually minivan instead of one of these but unfortunately there aren’t many AWD choices for minivans. We have a new Odyssey and on snow days it stays in the garage because even on snow tires it won’t make it back home.

Calling out the Telluride as a minivan while ignoring the Pilot/MDX connection to the Odyssey. 🤨

I cross-shopped the Q7 3.0T, the SQ8, the GLE53 AMG (LOVED this but shoulder room was lacking), the new MDX and the Highlander. Having had a 2009 Highlander, we were surprised to see the 2021's were smaller and more tall-wagon like. The Telluride was very close to interior size as the 2nd Gen Highlander we had and that's what we went with. I considered another Honda but frankly their SUV's are snooze-fests. Having owned several Mercedes E550's, turbo BMW's, a Tesla....the Telluride SX-Prestige we got was not a step down in any way when it comes to luxury. I traded a 2018 Accord 2.0T Touring in on the SX-P...it was quick, spacious and handled really well so you'd think jumping in the Telluride, it would like driving a brick. Not at all the case. It does understeer slightly at the limit but has very well-controlled body motions and corners very flat. My only regret was not knowing about the Cherokee L when we got the KIA. I would have taken a look at it but it was released a month after we purchased (which was spur of the moment....we gave up looking due to dealer price-gouging and got a call one night about a canceled order and no markup, so drove straight to do the deal).

You guys by any chance planning on doing an updated review on the Explorer (2022)? I test drove one and it didn't have the transmission problems noted in your review, so I'm curious if they've ironed out the shitty things about the 2020 one you reviewed.

LOL, the "exploder" 13:23