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2023 Beta 300 Race Edition vs 2023 KTM 300XC Back to Back Woods Loop RD 1 

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The GoPro video got a little jumpy on the last minute of this video but audio seems fine and I thought my final comments were important to hear as this was my first Back to Back ride on these (2) bikes so I did not cut out the last minute of video...sorry for the poor quality on the last minute or so of video
Round 1: 2023 Beta 300 Race Edition vs 2023 KTM 300XC back to back on a short woods loop! Back to Back rides are a great way to get a feel for the unique characteristics of different bikes. Comments for each bike....
2023 KTM 300XC: Lap Time 2:40.26
My current favorite overall 2-stroke dirt bike. The all new throttle body fuel injected and electronic power valve engine sets a new bar for quick revving big power with amazingly linear and strong partial throttle torque. The counter balanced engine has almost not vibration at the footpegs and very little at the handlebars. The updated chassis has traded some steering quickness for a more planted weighty feel up front with better stability at speed. The overall firmness of the new frame felt on the 350/450SXF 4-stroke models is gone with the 300 TBI engine in the chassis. This 300XC has WP Cone Valve spring forks which I prefer over the stock AER forks. The stock rear shock works well. The KTM has a bigger overall feel with a taller seat height and taller feel in the corners.
2023 Beta 300 Race Edition: Lap Time 2:39.6
The Beta 300 engine has softer initial throttle response with a smoother build of power...what I call a "full flywheel" feeling to the engine which is a slower RPM build that finds traction. This engine feels made for technical off road riding and runs clean with stock jetting from 45F~72F temperatures I have experienced so far. The Beta 300RE feels a bit more quick turning with a front end that loves to dive into the tight corners on the trail. The KYB suspension is plush and absorbing and moves through the stoke to absorb the bumps. The Beta has an overall smaller feeling to the bike (especially from seat forward) yet does not feel cramps for my 6'2" 190 body. The standing riding position is natural feeling with the footpegs feeling low and back.
Summary:
The lap times are less than a second apart over this short loop so both bikes are very close in terms of overall performance. The KTM is about big power with amazing controllability. The new chassis is more stable at speed with a planted more weighty feel up front. The Beta is about smooth power in a quick handling chassis and amazing KYB suspension that combine to make a very effective off road bike. Both bike are very fun to ride yet have very different characteristics. What do you like in a 2-stroke dirt bike? Let me know in the comments. More of these back to back rides soon!

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23 авг 2024

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Комментарии : 57   
@bcoffroadriding7001
@bcoffroadriding7001 Год назад
Great comparison, Thank you for sharing this one on here. Beta makes a great product that does not get enough credit! You were riding a good pace and very consistent too!!!
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
Thanks Rob! Always fun to ride bikes back to back - really makes the different characteristics of each stand out.
@jor9111
@jor9111 Год назад
You lucky bastard
@johnpaul2336
@johnpaul2336 Год назад
Changing the stock needle on the beta really wakes it up in a big way, smooth as butter all the way through with Suzuki triple taper needles.
@painkiller8383
@painkiller8383 Год назад
Would tell me what you did exactly?
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
Sounds like the Suzuki needle is worth a try! What model and year Beta 300 did you apply this needle to? I've heard the NECW (Suzuki part # 13383-37FD0) or NECJ (Suzuki part # 13383-37FE0) are good choices....what Suzuki needle did you apply?
@zusanlist3623
@zusanlist3623 Год назад
Excellent! Loved the back-to-back test.
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
Thanks! Fun way to get a feel for the different characteristics of different bikes!
@AdamTrew
@AdamTrew Год назад
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to compare the 2 bikes. I found it interesting that you felt like the KTM had more power, but you ended up have a faster time on the beta. I know that power isnt everything and there are other factors that are probably more significant but in my experience, smooth power can sometimes lead to going faster than you realize.
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
Thanks! Controllable power is important! Always interesting to have lap times a second or less apart....I'll load another Back to Back of these bikes soon;)
@davidmoore_723
@davidmoore_723 Год назад
@@mxengineer1 seems the times are really the same given how the last corner in the woods was a bit overrun on the KTM. Both seem like great bikes everyone seems to love the 300 TBI's
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
@@davidmoore_723 Yes I did the back to back again (Round 2) and this time the lap time difference was 0.23 secs with the slightly quicker time going to the KTM....identical laptime performance from each bike yet so different feeling ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fQAj6mYIbL0.html
@mwkaho
@mwkaho Год назад
I enjoyed the back to back. I have no Beta experience but the new 300 appears to be winner. I did some 300 SX crosswind sailing on Wednesday. A beautiful day for sure...
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
Crosswind sailing...must have been riding a moto track in Ohio on Wednesday...it was WINDY!!!!
@coolbreeze7008
@coolbreeze7008 Год назад
The Beta bars are lower than the KTMs, people either love or hate the ergos on the Beta, I had a 22 Beta 300 RR and just moved to a 23 Husqvarna TX 300, The Husky cockpit feels more open, some taller riders have issues adapting to the Betas bar & peg position. The foot peg vibes are annoying, on the Beta, that goes away after a while but gets annoying on longer rides as I have felt it coming back when you start to fatigue. I think the Beta turns better than my Husky, its just an easier bike to throw into a turn and stays complaint, one noticeable thing that you may or may not expierence is the Betas lower ground clearance, in Arizona the lower ground clearance came in to play a lot on my Beta where its not an issue on the Husky. Great video! both are great bikes! if Beta got the counter balancer like the Austrian bikes Id consider getting another one, Im looking hard at a TM 300 enduro at that moment..
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
Thanks for your '22 Beta 300RR and '23 TX300 feedback! I like the feel of the '23 TX300 shrouds and smaller front fender over my '23 KTM 300XC...I really like the TX300 Heritage Edition!
@coolbreeze7008
@coolbreeze7008 Год назад
I was dead set on the Heritage edition, it did nothing for me in person, looks great in pics, must be the lighting..LOL
@davidgrunklee8407
@davidgrunklee8407 Год назад
​@@mxengineer1 me too! Just bought one... super pumped!!
@brianhardy1812
@brianhardy1812 Год назад
Nice comparison. Both machines are excellent bikes for the racing community but are great for the weekend warrior also. It’s great to have options for off roading.
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
Thanks! You are correct - both great bikes and on the opposite ends of the spectrum from basic 2-stroke simple to fuel injected magic!
@brianhardy1812
@brianhardy1812 Год назад
In the 90’s, the KTM dealerships were few and far between. I’m glad to see more dealerships, as well as the Betas, Sherco, etc. These are much better bikes versus converting an MX bike to a cross country motorcycle.
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
@@brianhardy1812 Yes it is interesting companies like Beta and Sherco focus on off road only (though Beta has the 300RX and a MXGP 450 in prototype form that has not reached dealers yet) while KTM builds a platform that is used across motocross and off road.
@brianhardy1812
@brianhardy1812 Год назад
Thanks for the review. With videos like yours it’s a much easier decision (when purchasing), which bike suits a particular rider.
@Mikey97D
@Mikey97D Год назад
Great review as always. Nice consistent laps too. Appeared from the sound that maybe you were clutching the bike a bit more in the turns on the Beta compared to the KTM. Mayb add 1 or 2 teeth to the rear sprocket of the Beta to give it a comparable pull out of the turns? Or is it just my imagination you were clutching (slipping) it a little more?
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
Thanks! The KTM makes a LOT of power - instantly with little need to clutch and requires more throttle control. The Beta is ultra smooth down low - I call it a "full flywheel" feel and the clutch can bring it to life quickly. The Beta is geared a tick taller than the KTM so a 49 or 50T would liven up the initial response. Problem is I really really like the smoothness of the Beta so little desire to change it for now.
@michaelanderson1727
@michaelanderson1727 Год назад
Great video🍻
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
Thank you!
@Bcalhoun4423
@Bcalhoun4423 Год назад
How do you think the Beta carb compares to your 300 Tpi? I'm considering a EC300 and the Beta just curious on your thoughts.
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
The 300 TPI engine has a quicker response to throttle inputs and runs very clean at all temperatures and noticeably less vibration. The 300 TBI engine (like my '23 300XC) has more classic 2-stroke carb like feel with a very strong power and impressive partial throttle response for a 2-stroke. The Beta '23 300RE engine has such smooth power - very easy to control and find traction with a slower more metered response to throttle inputs. Here is a back to back ride with the 300RE and 300XC... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-D4XSo3i54es.html
@fattie2550
@fattie2550 Год назад
Does the Beta have less vibration than a new YZ250X?
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
Great question. I'd give the slight edge to the Beta.
@thomastjg53
@thomastjg53 Год назад
Nice. I’m just wondering that my be the beta seat is harder cause it has a lower seat height,so maybe it does not have as much foam padding ?
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
The Beta chassis is a little lower and the seat foam is a little thinner (and harder) compared to the KTM seat. I tried some Seat Concepts seats today on a Beta 300RX...so much better than the stock Beta Race Edition seat but MSRP is $349(!!!)
@marshallthomas957
@marshallthomas957 Год назад
Is your beta the rr model or the rx model? Not quite sure on the main differences between them.
@mikeschlup5279
@mikeschlup5279 Год назад
That is race edition with KYB suspension...same as Yamaha uses. It is very easily made great...
@coolbreeze7008
@coolbreeze7008 Год назад
RR = Enduro RX = Motocross
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
As others have noted my bike is a '23 300 Race Edition so comes with KYB forks and shock this year. The '23 300RX model also comes with KYB forks and shock with a moto setting
@Steveman61
@Steveman61 Год назад
Now wait till the forks have about 20 hours. They'll even be better. In any case they are better than any OEM WP stuff. Give her a 49 or 50 teeth rear sprocket and you will shave off at least two seconds from your last ride. Cu Steve
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
Thanks for the recommendations Steve! Yes I thought about +1 or +2T on the rear...nice to know you recommend it too!
@PNW_MX222
@PNW_MX222 8 месяцев назад
Not even fair comparing unbroken stock KYB to set up cone valve lol
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 8 месяцев назад
What is not fair is just how good stock KYB suspension works on the '23 Beta 300 Race Edition!
@PNW_MX222
@PNW_MX222 8 месяцев назад
@@mxengineer1 well, it is the gold standard for OEM (even if not SSS variant). I would love some cone valves though too.
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 8 месяцев назад
@@PNW_MX222 I bought this set of WP CV spring forks 4 years ago and they have been on many bikes and still work great today. Expensive but the ability to move them from bike to bike helps justify the initial investment. But then I ride stock KYB's with a good OEM setting (like Beta or say a YZ250F) and they work as well(!!)
@dzugina
@dzugina Год назад
My opinion Ktm must win 10/10 I had beta racing 2020 suspension was totaly trash ....suspension guru in my country have big problem find normally settings very bad shims build... And fuel consumption was horrible 1 hour and i havent gas to came home from track / im hobby rider no pro! Very bad memories about beta sry . Now have ktm exc 300 2022 best bike ever after 350 excf i think❤️
@coolbreeze7008
@coolbreeze7008 Год назад
Re jetting the beta would have fixed your fuel consumption issues, they KYB forks are great, a revalve and springs would have helped? getting rid of the Sachs shock would have transformed the Beta, thats was the issue with that year race edition.
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
Great to hear your KTM 300EXC is working well. I really liked '21 300XCW Erzberg. I rode the 2020 Beta 300 Race Edition and the stock setting was too stiff for me. The KYB forks and shock suspension setting on my '23 Beta 300 Race Edition works much better for me
@martincantwell2557
@martincantwell2557 Год назад
Beta revalved the kyb forks for 2022, there much softer and plusher now than on the old bike
@my-max-media7621
@my-max-media7621 Год назад
​@@martincantwell2557 I just bought a 22 200re and haven't taken delivery of it yet. So you think the KYB forks are good stock? Or need mid valving to be better on rocks and roots? May work the Sachs shock with piston, valving, a new H/L speed adjuster and bladder kit. Unless there's a better complete shock... but the National shock or Ohlins are too spendy
@martincantwell2557
@martincantwell2557 Год назад
@@my-max-media7621 honestly you won't need to touch them. the forks actually take about 15hrs to fully bed in. And even the shock is sweet, I dialed back the compression about 3 clicks from stock on both the forks and shock just for my style of riding. I think you will be pleasantly surprised..
@MR.TOYBOX
@MR.TOYBOX Год назад
Great Video. I might have asked this before not sure. Have you been on the new 2023 KTM 250 XC yet? I just bought one a few days ago!!
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
I've only ridden a '23 250SX around a shop and the engine was very smooth and I liked the green map best!
@MR.TOYBOX
@MR.TOYBOX Год назад
@@mxengineer1 Nice. A couple of RU-vidrs tried them both back to back. 300 xc and 250xc . They both liked the 250xc better then the 300. Hopefully you can get one on the channel to compare and gives us your thoughts. Keep ‘em coming.
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
@@MR.TOYBOX Yes I hope to spin some laps on a 250SX and 250XC this spring
@ralphreynolds4803
@ralphreynolds4803 Год назад
Taller foam than Beta. Taller feel. Plusher seat.
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 Год назад
The Beta seat is very firm! The '23 Husky TX300 seat is a little thinner (I'd say about 10~12mm) than the '23 KTM 300XC seat plus the radiator shrouds are smaller and front fender is skinnier giving the Husky a little different ergonomic feel that is noticeable....very close lap time on the old school GP track...will get them into the woods soon.. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Gt2NPYKwFsc.html
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