2023 Honda Civic Type R (FL5) vs VW Golf R (Mk8) | PistonHeads 

John Howell, and I agree, he's a very good reviewer. His written articles on PH are pretty damn good too :)

Similar voice too.

Funny you say that, he loves this car but CH said don't bother just get the mk7. I enjoyed watching this all the same.

looks like david cameron.

In the opening narration I thought it was Chris Harris.

Get in contact with the Honda dealership that your cousin used 😂👍

@@SilverScarletSpider Well out of my price range 😅

You'd be surprised how the MK8 R especially in DSG would feel 100000 light years ahead of your MK6 and the DSG MK8 absolutely thrashes the type R in every metric

@@stevegaspar Fun isn’t a metric 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@stevegaspar YOu should watch the video again. This one and others.

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It looks stupid

it looks soo bad at night.

It’s tacky AF…😂😂😂

Thank you.The type R is great on a dry track, but that’s it

Were you dropped on your head son? FWD cars have no problrm handling snow, rain, or anything else. Just throw a proper set of All-Seasons on there and you're good to go for any UK weather. If anything it'll be even quicker than that Golf R with it's twitchy rear end upsetting the car everytime you plant your foot down in a corner. That's why the Type-R still blows it away on track. As for daily driving, with the auto-rev match system in comfort this thing is extremely easy to drive around town or in traffic...I'm from NYC and it ain't an issue at all.

@@BigBear-- Let's be honest how many of us change our tyre's for the winter. Then that comment that Golf R's are twitchy planting power mid corner is laughable, you clearly don't own one. And my final point is when running big power, 4 wheel drive is the better option. Just look at what BMW has done, the rear wheel hero's now make there top M car's 4 wheel drive. Also Mercedes and Audi. Anyone can drive a performance car if they are gentle on the pedal in the winter. And who mentioned anything about track, i'm talking about a daily driven all year round family hatch.

@@BigBear-- okay now i got it. you are the definiton of keyboard warrior. in every single post u made you are fanboying so strong its disgusting. I hope u really dont own the car . Any prove do so.

absolute stonks. Some are selling it used marked up too

Same for the mk8r. Even the 7r is selling for more.

2025/26 Golf R & relatives will likely be the last petrol Golf generation

I don't know the name in other countries but in America that is called "Boost Blue Pearl" :) (And I love it as well!)

I'm very tempted to do the same... The GR Yaris is a hard act to follow.

yaris is a weapon, way better than new gr carolla

what i would do for that gr yaris to be sold in US ;(

The gr yaris will hold value over the years. You may regret it.

@@chenheadsmith5998 or certainly will.lose value if I daily it or if I pay the 1.5k insurance every year

No its not. Each has advantages and disadvantages. For example, the Golf R from a stop or in wet weather.

47k for a FWD car though..

@@astradala1845 Well, yes but believe you me, a Honda are masters of FWD, I wouldn't pay £47k for a FWD, but I would for a Honda with FWD 😂 I have seen some people drifting the Type R :o (Obviously not big sustained drifts like on an M3 right 😂 but this is the only FWD car I have seen drifting :o)

Problem is with the extra pack its more 52k and great as it is and probably best in class as the fk8 was, you can get a 1 year old M4 comp for 56k and that is a completely different level of car imo.

@@Bmontepeque11 Very true to be fair. Tyre R even the FK8 are monsters both on and off the track definitely the meanest FWD car you can buy

Made from unobtainium unfortunately.

@Gary So you're saying that the GR Yaris and the GR Corolla are not hot hatches because they are awd. That's completely false of course they're hot hatches. I could give a shit what Chris Harris says. Man what have you been smoking lately. I would easily take the GR Yaris over the Civic type-r Golf R anything, it's an amazing performance machine.

It’s always about the tires in snow and inclement weather regardless of what car sits on top of them.

Maintenance reliability and service cost to keep it in the road.

just take the clubsport for the track no need for an honda lol

@@lilmoesieable and vice versa.

Poor you. I’ve to wait 10 years before I can afford one 😢

Mine in 2nd half of april , can't wait either 😅 where are you from?

@@nicolasdujardin5691 based in the U.K. what about you?

@@jamsxr belgium.. What are they listing for in the UK?

@@nicolasdujardin5691 £47k, although from April they’re going up to £49k.

@@jamsxr so about the same as here , i paid 54.750€ Enjoy your's mate!

where u at i got mine its insane!!!!!! And i also own a 2022 porsche 911 C4s.... type R thrills are different and honestly more fun at the moment even though porsche is porsche the type R is mind Blowing!! MUST GET!!!

Got your Type R yet? What’s the verdict?

@@saucey99 you’re one lucky man! Please do a comparison video for us! 😊

Price aint it though

I like the Honda as well, but we both know the Golfs pretty reliable it's the same engine as the mk7, and they are good for at least 150k miles.

BS - have owned both Hondas and VWs in the past - both last just fine with good maintenance. I'll happily take the Golf R over any Honda.

@@smcgmail8238 replying to washout or redline?

Maybe but with a rotten chassis that doesn’t matter

@@redline589 I’ve never heard of anyone calling vw “reliable” except people that either just recently got one and wants to feel good about owning it, or they’ve never owned one. Everyone I’ve met with a golf says they’re a pain in the ass once the warranty expires.

Emm.. I don’t think that’s how it works man

That would change if you ever got a chance to drive the FL5.

Or actually look at one and see how the golf R (or anything else)looks very very dull. I have a championship white fl5 and it’s beautiful.

Pay now or pay later at the shop. I own several Hondas…some nearly 20 years old…still not a drop of oil underneath them in the garage. This is why as fast as the Golf R or the RS3 are I still don’t trust their long term reliability. I would drive any of my high mileage(200-over 300k) Hondas across the country with zero worries. Volkswagen/Audi with the same mileage…not so much.

I’m a Honda fanboy, but I agree with you 100%, like how often are we on these type of roads rallying our car.

That's not what the Type R (or a hothatch) is for though. The Type Rs have excelled in driving dynamics and passable interiors (although this one is better than the golf in that regard too). The Golf is just another German boat, of which there are many to choose from, as it has no distinct identity. The only gap is in 0-60 times, which is for children at this point. Pinning an accelerator pedal means very little.

That's not what a hatchback is for? What the hell is it for then? Journalist reviews or occasional track session? What world do you live in where one can drop $45,000 on such a vehicle? The rest of us have to save up our pennies to have a privilege to even afford a vehicle of this caliber. The GolfR is far an away a better daily driver and it's not even close. For most of us superior 99% of the time usability is far more important than the little bit of extra added performance/fun for that 1% of occasions. German boats with no distinct identity? I'll take my BMW/VAG/MERC any day of the week, as so would most sane people.

@@loxlover1714 I said 'hothatch', perhaps you misconstrued on purpose, or do you have no comprehension skills? This car's focus isn't comfort, practicality and luxury (which it does better than the Golf R anyway). It's an enthusiast car with a focus on driving pleasure unlike the German rivals.

@@alsayedfakhri4597 I didn't misconstrue anything on purpose. My comprehension skills are on par with a college educated person. Never claimed to be the smartest person in the room. Your argument is misguided. There is no definition of a hothatch that states that the only purpose of a hothatch is to go as fast as possible around a circuit, or be the most engaging, especially in sacrifice of every other aspects of what makes hatchbacks great. You're literally making this up. You can easily be the second/third/fourth most performant/engaging and STILL be an excellent hothatch. The idiocy of your statement is further exemplified by implying that German rivals elicit no driving pleasure. That's objectively false, you can look at the sales numbers to prove that. It might not be fun to YOU. You might be one of those Ricky Bobby people that lives by "if you ain't first, you're last". Which is fine. That's why we have choices. The world many of us live in you absolutely CAN demand all of practicality, comfort, luxury, and performance from ANY vehicle. I've own everything from modified Integras to modified M3s throughout my 25 years of driving. And I'm a huge fan of the Golf R in my 40s because it strikes such a wonderful balance of what I want to live with at this point in my life. My answer would have certainly been different 20 years ago.

And still shite.

You buerk

With a manual gearbox. Dreamy

Wasn’t that what they wanted too do with the MK8 but Audi said no.

@@danielainger8666 So Audi can borrow VW engine but won't let it go other way 🤣

Both these cars would gap the GR bro

@@astradala1845 only on smooth dry roads… but the type R is more enjoyable to drive.

Type r is a fair bit faster than the standard golf r on the track tests I've seen.

4WD is the way to go with US Winters.

@@fredbrackelysurely only in a limited number of states??

I agree the German cars are so boring. Apart from been really fast in a straight line, there's literally no character to them.

@@lukefawbert3808 I am german and i fully agree with you.