2024 Started off Right. What a crazy week of VR- erhm.. spatial computing news. Felt great to spend some time with family and Blender. I hope you had an amazing new year. Lets make 2024 better than 2023. Come hang out in my discord server: Discord.gg/Thrill
Small nitpick, at 5:58 you said memory when referring to the storage of the headset. Memory is essentially temporary storage for things that aren't saved permanently, I'm sure you'll be spammed with this but at the time of writing it's only about 11 minutes after video launch and I haven't seen any other comments pointing it out. But, yeah, uhhh, it does not come with 256GB of memory base, that'd be insane.
You do an excellent job, Thrill. even for those who are not very used to having a quick conversation in English. Keep up the good ! Can't wait for CES coverage :D
@@knowingbadgerApple have invest a lot more than others in development this, investors of the market needs this to sell well so more investment in the sector is viable.
@@knowingbadger that depends on your definition of doing well I mean the VR market is still pretty small and not at all main stream but I agree if apple fails that wont be the end of VR
In regards to the UEVR mod, I'll say what I did on the Flatscreen 2 VR community discord. This is not something finished. It's not one big finely wrapped package. It's a question looking for answers. We as players and users are the pioneers going through thousands of games never meant for VR, and trying to provide insight for one another. Communicating, coordinating. A lot of time and love went into this project not just by Praydog but also by testers and others on a limited basis especially in comparitive to thousands of games. The last thing this project needs right now is more hate and divisiveness. Temper your expectations, come join the community, connect and learn some things with others. You'll be surprised and wow'd by the passion of everyone as we try to nail different kinds of profiles and overcome technical issues together.
@@gumzster We lose sight a lot of the fact these projects are undertaken by people. People with lives, motivations, perspectives, and area's of focus unique to them. And so it can be easy to have expectations and even complaints when the mod is focused on but the person is not. We can't lose sight of the fact that time, care, and a lot of sacrifice was put into projects like this. The least we can offer is our patience, our understanding, our respect, and our willingness to connect with others in this community so we can learn. If Praydog and others can spend years overcoming code, we can stomach a little time learning and applying ourselves to it rather than dismissing the hard work due to our impatience.
Agreed 100%. I think the single best thing UEVR does for the game development community is let them try so many examples of different genres in VR to see what they’re like and spark ideas. And it gives us the gamers a way of trying multi million dollar games that were never ever going to get proper VR support just for the fact that proper support requires a lot more effort and that’s very costly for what is still a really small market. Personally I’ve absolutely loved playing Spyro in VR, But I get that as an experience it’s one big vomit comet when played in 3rd person. Still fun though
@@ocbaker UEVR also gives the devs of UE4/5 games the easiest ability ever to "VR proof" their game. They don't even need to mess with any VR-specific code or software, just make sure it plays well with UEVR. This tool is the best way to prototype if their existing flat game is even fun in VR before they invest any significant time & money into adding proper VR support.
Gonna be remembered as the decade that AAA games came crashing down after 15 years of "the same game only prettier" as a strategy.. We're in the Marvel Fatigue era of games right now.. Big shallow games with fantastic production value that pretty much play themselves.. Like Spiderman.. You can play that game while half asleep... And it's making gazillions of dollars, so we're going to get more self-playing games until people grow tired.. And then the AAA studios will have little to fall back on. I welcome the downfall of AAA. Stuff needs a shakeup right now. There's been zero innovation in the AAA space since Arkham Asylum, Uncharted 2 and Asscreed came out and showed everyone that gameplay is secondary to graphics and accessibility. We're in an era where quicktime events won over actual gameplay, and it's pretty sad. In 2005 you'd have to actually hit something with your web slinger to sling yourself around.. These days it's just a button press and it all happens automatically.. Games took a turn for the worse around 2008 and we're still on that sad path. Games be real purdy though. We're also going to see 30fps making a huge comeback over the next 4 years until we get new consoles, then we'll get 60fps for two years and right back to 30.
Always thrilled to see Thrill post a video--and this time is no exception, though I'm a bit surprised you didn't say anything about the eye tracking mod for the BigScreen Beyond. Maybe next week? Still a great video, lots of exciting news for those of us who love VR/AR/XR/MR/Spatial Computing (SC?)... 😅
Definitely gonna give it a go, but codemasters did say we'll get official VR "after launch" so not the most impactful UEVR application. Still, stoked to hear it's been a good experience.
I get sick even with good VRs like Half Life Alyx or GT7. Any games where your character moves in VR space but your body stays stationary, I get motion sickness.
@@captainlockes2344Usually, movement doesn't cause trouble, but turning sure can especially if it's set to "smooth" instead of "snap" or "comfort." Yes, I know some people REALLY, REALLY, REALLY hate that for whatever reason. Sure, our heads move smoothly as we look around, but our EYES jump around in "saccades." Smooth rotation is more like how cameras move. I'm not really affected by smooth rotation but I usually use snap turn because it looks/feels more natural to me. Any VR title that doesn't offer both options though is just doing it wrong.
Ghostrunner with injector is the first time I've felt a little off in VR in a long time. Definitely has potential as I've heard there's possibly a blueprint for weapon swing tracking, but probably not a good first VR experience. I'd go so far as to say don't make the injector your first VR experience period. That said it's amazing, not too hard to at least get started with, and it's free, major props to Praydog and anyone else associated with it.
Devs are just afraid it may impact their bottom line and try BSing people. Everyone who owns a VR headset, most probably ( practically a given ) played titles made for VR from ground up first. So, if they don't feel sick playing those games, and then play some jerry rigged injected modded unreal engine vr game, they will know it's because of the conversion. So no, 99.9% of people won't get "turned off". People just have their money pool that they are willing to spend on entertainment. If they have a library of 100 high budget UE games, and auto conversions work decently. It's less likely they will purchase some comparatively low budget game build for VR from ground up. So the market shrinks.
Funny, you really shouldn't have to say "don't make the injector your first VR experience" but apparently you do? Idk, if people go into it expecting perfection and having to do nothing to get it working well, that's on them. I wonder if they "advertising" for lack of a better word for UEVR could make that clearer, that it's intended for more experienced VR users (even though I think that should be obvious... maybe it's not though).
Or, in its current state, probably don't work to well with the injector and gives a bad impression, similar to the early days of emulators. Watching those examples of the worse results doesn't look good. It doesn't mean it will affect the devs bottom line for doing cheap e budget games, it just schewing it a bit. Its more like it will hurt the people that tried it since it doing something the devs were warn about when making vr, and the injection will just show why when not adjusted right. I am sure you need a lot of manual adjustments, updates for most of these games.@@buka9993
@@slothonastick32 I think it's less against the specific phrase and more on the fact that it's Apple doing it. It feels kinda... controlling, honestly.
YAY!!!! IMMA WATCH THIS, BUT I LOVE YOU THRILLSEEKER! IVE BEEN SO EXCITED FOR THE NEXT TUESDAY NEWSDAY. You’ve helped me learn about vr, and next semester (fall 2024) I’ll be taking a vr class and applying for a vr research lab at my university. I love the videos and keep up the good work!!!😊
@@AntOfGodsbruh I’m literally a 4.0 gpa student who’s in computer science. Of course I’m going to sound like a kid. At least I’m doing something with my life, so thank you for recognizing that an immature little shit can achieve his dreams
Thank you so much. I really like what you are doing, and the way you are doing it. And this Newsday is the most exciting thing about "Spatial Computing" I have seen EVER. And I have been in VR since the 90's . And it's just the begining... :)
7:40 - What do you mean no one knows what XR stands for? I was not aware that anyone DIDN’T know what it stands for. XR is simply a catch-all term to refer to AR, VR, and MR collectively. That way you don’t have to list them out individually every time you are referring to them as a group. It’s not a fourth technology on its own; it’s just a convenient term of reference. Rather simple actually. I’ve seen some idiots refer to XR as “eXtended Reality” but that’s a silly backronym trying to make the X stand for a specific word which distorts the purpose and intent of the term. The X is a placeholder for all the variants of (R)eality tech and content. IMO the XR term is quite useful because it specifies the full field without invoking the much larger big picture vision of the Metaverse, which is still too hard for most users to envision/grasp/believe, or Spatial Computing, which is really just Apple trying to differentiate itself.
I knew my vr feee was silent. Hope all is good. Looking forward to your next video and that video game. I'm pushing for my own "vr game" as well looking to break new ground. Maybe you'll cover it off it catches your eye enough. Well anyways, looking forward to your next video
10:22 after many years of VR i have almost no vertigo... and this injector feels like a big moment in vr gaming. I stopped watching this video and jumped in Satisfactory VR... it's so damn good. SO GOOD.
I thought XR was just a shorter form of saying VR/AR and mixed reality is mostly just AR but focusing more on VR while bringing real world objects into the VR space. In other words it's it's kind of reverse AR where instead of imposing virtual objects onto real world objects you're imposing real world objects into the virtual world.
Thrill I know you’re probably busy with life or other adventures and I want you to know if you are dealing with burnout or lack of ideas whatever we don’t judge do what’s best for you and we’ll be here when you upload nothing but love!
Sony needs to come out with a standalone headset where you can basically treat your PS5 like a PC and stream your games to the headset instead of using that damn cord
To VR developers, the only thing I have to say to you is you've had MORE than enough time to release your old games in VR. Let's be real here. The companies are just pissed they can't charge us again for a game we already bought (looking at you Skyrim). So suck it! All hail praydog! Savior of VR!
That Sony set might be perfect for DCS World to hit and flip the many switches on an aircraft’s instrument panel. As all you’d need to do is go through the motions with your finger, and you can push something like the Master Arm or flip a switch for the exterior or interior lights. Either that, if that tracking ring can be used with other headsets, or a third party universal one came out, one could use finger tracking with your preferred headset. As I personally want the BigScreen Beyond VR headset.
Ah shoot that's true I didn't think about that. DCS would really take advantage of the finger dexterity needed to use controls around the cockpit. Especially areas that are crowded with switch rows like Russian aircraft
Today I just wanted to say that I'm both happy for the news and for still having someone like you so passionate here with us, since a lot of RU-vidrs are retiring, just wanted to show appreciation for your work and thank you for everything as usual, I actually got into VR thanks to you, and yesterday got my first Headset ever, a Meta Quest 3 since I'm in Japan for 2 months and it was cheap. I also saw the PICO on display etc, and might work a bit harder to buy sony / apple lol, anyways, keep it up man and we will be here with you watching this unfold for a long timee
Happy new year Thrill!! big things to come for vr would be great, been waiting for that since the DK1 days in 2013. Are your small vr projects also public available, would love to try them, looks fun. Still in unity or trying unreal now? Have a blast at CES!
Like apple changed video calling into facetiming bahahaha. Who uses apple words is just an apple slave proud to use words your master tells you and so other people know you are using apple products and think you are some kind of special species bahahaha
UEVR proves that flat content CAN work in VR, and with a little work, can be compelling VR content. I don't believe it's so much about providing value to the PCVR ecosystem (though it succeeds at this), but it PROVES to developers that they don't need to make ground-up experiences, and with a bit of work, can make their games function in VR. Yes, some ports will work, and some will not, but it's a means to provide MANY more official VR releases to gaming platforms at low developer risk. This benefits everybody by increasing VR users, thus increasing audience for ground-up experiences. The VR community should have embraced hybrids for over 10 years, but bought into the rhetoric that it would never work. That's 10 years worth of games and growth lost.
I think it pokes holes in the argument a lot of studios (especially those published by EA and Actvision, who do NOT like VR disrupting their revenue streams...) make that porting or providing a VR mode is 'too much work'. A single guy made this tool. ONE man. And it works pretty well with over half of all UE 4+ titles. I think they just dislike VR as a threat to their established profit & product model.
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing It's an ultra-cheap path for studios (even indies have done it to their games), certainly less expensive than making a WHOLE GAME (assets, story, levels, sountrack, sound-effects, etc.). For 10 years VR has had severely limited content, and it's growth has been slow and uncertain, precisely because of these unsubstantiated ideas.... And people like me have been SCREAMING about hybrid gaming over its life. The medium could have been swimming in games. It's hyper frustrating..
@@SeanLumly Eeeeexactly. Hells bells, even if nVidia had just updated their 3D Vision Drivers (which are still in every driver update they put out to this day) for those games to work in VR headsets as stereoscopic gaming displays instead of only working on real, obsolete 3D TV's.... that would have been a quick and simple hack to make them the preferred graphics card for PCVR. We could have been doing raids in WoW in 3D in our headsets on virtual giant 180 degree ultrawidescreens.
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing 100%. And stereo 3D is miles better than flat 2D, at a bare minimum. There are ZERO flat 3d games that wouldn't benefit from VR. ZERO.
Great episode. No mention of Valve's next HMD? I think they might shock people with a foveated rendering ability that could triple or more the computer's ability to draw frames. Along with focal layers and wireless pc connection. All the coming stuff looks great.
Nobody really knows what they are doing and hopefully they just drop it one day without a big hype train. I love valve. Unfortunately Half Life alyx ruined vr lol. Such a good game.
Apple, $3500 just to play recroom in vr and mobile/flatscreen games. Sure the hardware is really nice and there might be a lot of games coming to the apple headset soon, but I would definitely wait a few months before thinking about buying. Have fun reviewing this ThrillSeeker :)
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough rec room is available on iOS. Not sure how you’re supposed to play VR games like Rec Room without controllers though. They probably expect people to just use a gamepad….
UEVR is probably for VR what Proton is for Linux gaming. You can play things now, do not expect it to work, the community will find workarounds, after it things are good.
Can we all just do our little part and consistenlty refer to the Apple Vision Pro as a VR headset with passthrough 🥺? As much as I respect Apple in certain regards, and as excited as I am for them to join the VR industry, this 'too good to use the term VR' thing has pissed me off since the moment I watched the live announcement 😕.
I would agree if it actually was a VR headset but I don’t get that impression. I’ve been using VR headsets for years. Handing me something with no controllers and telling me to play Apple Arcade games on a flat screen isn’t it for me.
@@Thezuule1 What about a virtual floating screen doesn't create a virtual reality? And don't forget that the reality pro will also support some 'proper' VR experiences. Just because you can use a ferrari to drive through city streets doesn't mean that it's not a racing car.
A fight that's taken a turn towards even more imperfection with the UEVR mod.. If anything, PCVR people will get a much higher tolerance for bad VR from messing around with that thing. I just hope devs don't go "hmm.. seems we can make a super lazy port of our game for VR and the people will lap it up.. like they're doing with these janky-ass UEVR games... Let's profit off of these starved suckers."
@@JimmyNuisance Might happen, woll probably happen, i trust the community though, as long as this is a niche like gaming as a whole was, we might have some power left.
I'm most interested in the Samsung and Google headsets. Samsung being Samsung (the Apple of the Android market), I expect they will have special integration with their premium phones (and probably earbuds). The question is whether my S22 Ultra would still qualify, as by the time their headset comes out, the S24 lineup would likely have been out for months. The curated list of UEVR games is what I've come to expect from a nerd community, yes. It's exactly what I was thinking was needed to help filter out the...suboptimal options.
I think "spacial computing" is a really good thing. It sounds a bit ridiculous for those who have been here for a while, but it may breathe some fresh air into the public perception of VR which has a mixed reputation to put it mildly. For question of the week: seeing as VR hardware, especially controllers, keep changing in shape and function, do you think we might see some issues in the future when it comes to compatibility of games/apps between different hardware or will the dev community manage and be willing to bridge the gaps between different directions that hardware manufacturers are taking things and how yould you go about solving this problem? Sorry if it's too long or convoluted, but with the industry expanding, cross-compatibility may be a concern.
Spatial computer just feels like the natural evolution like smartphones were. I remember hearing it two years ago and trying the Meta Quest 2 and already could see the potential and shift how we do computing. I think we are about 2-3 more iterations before it has a chance of being mainstream.
I've been watching this series for the better part of a year now, and today was the first time i noticed the knuckles turning on sound effect in the intro music.. HAS IT BEEN THERE THE WHOLE TIME?
Personally, VR as a term has gotten a really bad rep over the decades because we’ve dealt with really under performing, and sometimes lackluster experiences where I think using the term spatial computing signifies an evolution, or VR was to the next evolution of that interface is, and by rebranding, it will bring new life into the space, and then anyways have to growbigger than ever
I highly agree that the term VR as marketing for this highly most advance device as always been a worse reputation. VR sounded extremely too cringe and gimmick that people ended up thinking that it is just an expensive Nintendo Wii 2 kinda gaming console. Instead of marketed it as just a small gaming platform, they need to let people know that it is a true pinacle of device because that's what it truely is.
12:10 I've seen the opposite. In my place I once tried a VR experience in a local mall. It looked promising: Large room scaled, 6-player max in the same space, portable pcvr hardware for each player, expensive gun-shaped controllers... They even developed their own tracking mechanism sorta resembles the PSVR 1st gen style. The whole system cost them around 30 sq meters of playspace and 10 PCs. So I was like, gotta bring my bros and my cousins and let them know how cool VR is. The actual game was PoS. It was some Frankenstein of free assets glued together. The game mechanism was childish level, the scripted animation non-existent, hell, they couldn't even get the parallax right. Half of the guys I brought there experienced motion sickness after the play session and reported negative impressions over the VR industry. Shocked by such low quality game, I did some research. Turned out the company created the system was once a small company running webgames, 8 major stock holders and high-level managers all had economics/financial/marketing backgrounds, yet not a single one was once game dev or even just software engineer. No wonder.
8:00 this makes perfect sense. Bear witness to an official reframing. It means Apple is very serious about making this work. If many start using the term, you know something is going on. Much like reframing of UFOs to UAPs. Life extension/rejuvenation to "extending health span". This reframing is a type of reset, to distance away from all the past stigma attached to "VR" or "AR". If you want another example of the opposite, mention "The Metaverse" to anyone, and watch them basically recoil. It now has a stigma attached to it.
I look forward to testing this injector on a few fave games haha. Something like Star Wars Republic commando would feel awesome in vr to say the least.
I am so happy that VR is coming big. So far even with Quest 3 PCVR, everything feels like it's a amateur mod and not a finished commercial product. Godspeed!!
Goddamn I am loving UEVR. It's the hit of PCVR crack I've been feenin' for Nevermind the boost to VR, older games like Ruiner and retro styled JRPGs like Octopath Traveler just got new life
TUESDAY NEWSDAYYYY to be honest I haven’t been on this channel lately and as soon as I came back and saw the intro, I yelled TUESDAY NEWSDAY in my room. Brought me so much joy, TBH😂
