Current gen Mazda 6-Speed Autos are not co-developed with Ford. There is nothing from Ford in the current gen transmissions. They are completely Mazda developed and designed. They don’t have anything from the old transmissions. This is kind of a common misconception. See it a lot but it is incorrect. 😊
For sure, Mazda service advisor here. The “Fordzdas” definitely exist, but once the skyactive motors came out around 2013-14, ford and Mazda severed ties
I haven't heard anything about them changing to that platform either however my comments tells me they're trying to move up market and this is a lot of car from the ground up for the money so one of two things either needs to happen they need to be able to manufacture it cheaper and in America or they're going to raise the price either way, as far as the current car market goes it's a relative bargain
The 2017+ CX-5 is a beautiful SUV and still is even 8 years later. It's a great package all around and definitely sells like hotcakes! I am definitely looking forward to it being redesigned to the 3, CX-30, etc. generation of cars. Slightly retooling and shortening the CX-60 and selling it as the CX-5 in the US would be amazing!
I also don't need awd. After 226,000 miles on our 2014 fwd, we've never needed awd. Winter tires are all we've needed. It's been the best car we've ever owned. Wish we could buy another just like it.
WIsh Mazda would bring back a FWD option for the base CX-5, that would drop the price down even further. Many of us don't need 4WD, just a handy hatchwagon.
@@markcoopers1930 the only advantage of fwd is people who live in warm climate typically don’t need it and would rather prefer the better fuel economy.
The reason the cx5 is still selling and the cx-50 is failing to replace it simply because of the multi-link and cheap cost cutting torsion beam found on the Mazda 3, cx-30. It was justifiable on the Mazda 2 and cx-3 but if you're gonna spend a lot of money, no way you're gonna have a more primitive suspension setup, even less sophisticated than the award winning (according to some old reviews) multi-link the 1989 Mazda 323 protege had.
@solderbuff yes, especially in the city with horrible road conditions, mazda is already stiff in nature, and the torsion beam is adding to that discomfort.
That and you literally can't fit in the CX-50 turbo rear seat if you are taller than 6'2". The mandatory moonroof kills about 1-2" of the already smaller headroom :(
Not too mention, the CX50 is a little more expensive and less subsidizing on Mazda's lease programs than on the CX5. The CX5 still feels more refined with the independent rear suspension for sure.
Why? They don't have a hybrid system (at least in the US - PHEV only) and Toyota's is proven and bullet proof. Do you really want to purchase a hybrid system from a manufacturers first attempt?
I contacted them on Twitter about their CX-50 hybrid they announced and I said I would love for them to make a Mazda3 with an hybrid option and to partner with Toyota for it. Their reply basically said that’s their goal.
@@richh7608 Many people don’t know that Toyota and Mazda’s partnership isn’t just limited to their new shared factory in the US where the Corolla Cross and CX-50 are being manufactured. Toyota has had the rights to be able to use Mazda’s Skyactiv technology in exchange for Mazda being able to use Toyota’s hybrid system. Neither company will advertise their cars as using the other manufacturers tech, but Mazda has already developed their own hybrid/PHEV system based off of the bulletproof Toyota one. It’s likely part of the reason the new Grand Highlander is also able to run on an inline 4 as opposed to a V6 or V8. Toyota developed the engine for it but likely using Mazda’s Skyactiv tech.
10:38 Kirk I always love your attention to detail, but it's worth noting that the Skyactiv-Drive (the current 6 speed in the CX-5) and the Skyactiv-MT started development after Ford had divested. It was never co-developed with Ford. For its time, I think it was an amazing transmission and has really stood the test of time. It was also of course, at the time and big middle finger to the rest of the Japanese established brands that had falled in love with CVT's. Their marketing was quite anti-CVT.
Yeah for some reason I thought it was an evolution of the 4/5 speed ford/mazda transmissions. I can't find any literature to back that claim up so it must be 100% mazda
@@KirkKreifels it was a tough time for both Mazda and Ford at that time in history. The CEO of Ford at the time was Alan Mulally. He led the One Ford initiative roughly at the time of the Global Economic Crisis (2008). The aim was to simplify and improve the economic situation at Ford. Part of this was to divest from Mazda and Volvo among other cost saving changes. It really helped Ford. They managed to avoid economic disaster and didn't need the US Federal handouts that the other car makers did. But also it left Mazda in a difficult financial state. They were bleeding red on their balance sheet. They either could go down the road of continuing to use parts from the Ford parts bin they already had access to, or they could complete reinvent themselves with no support from Ford. They chose the latter of course which was the very start of Skyactiv. The first major change that people didn't see was the change of a lot of processes behind the scenes. Something as simple as integrating engineers and designers to have a stronger feedback loop was a revelation. From here Skyactiv was really about clean sheeting and taking a Japanese engineering view on everything. This led to all the Skyactiv things such as new chassis (Skyactiv Body), transmissions, engines (which was primarily based on very high compression for petrol in the G engines and very low compression for diesel in the D engines). But my favourite out of the box thinking they had was to join forces with Sumimoto Metals using samurai sword making techniques and an inspiration for making the worlds strongest tensile steel in the automotiv industry. Their world record would take well over a decade to be beaten. But it's this use of metal that helped them be the only vehicle to pass the mew IIHS side impact tests when they change to a newer heavier mule a few years ago. It also helped them (prior to the new revamp in 2020), take the top 2 highest positions of any vehicle tested in EuroNCAP for frontal collision (the CX-30 was the only car to receive 99%). For record, Mazda had the only 2 cars in front test at the time to beat the Tesla Model 3 when it was tested. A lot of this came down to the fact they were using steel that no other manufacturer was able to. Had it not been for Ford leaving, both companies would have suffered in the long run :) The easiest way to determine if a part had Ford involvement is..... if it was prior to the Ford divest (which was kicked off 2009/2010), the it was likely a joint part. But if it was manufactured after, or uses the Skyactiv word in the part, then Ford didn't touch it.
My 2023 CX5 turbo has iStop. It is not so bad to live with. You can override it most of the year by having the windshield defrost air flow on, this will cause the iStop to not function. Windshield airflow remains on when you next start the car so it’s a set and forget method of disabling the iStop. During months when you want airflow through the other vents you can use your brake pedal pressure to avoid it functioning as it requires firm pressure once at a stop for the engine to stop. I have also hot glued a 1 inch long knob to the iStop off button so I can easily reach down and push it without needing to look at it. It would be good if the iStop off button was on the steering wheel though, or right next to the engine start button as it is in some other makes.
They really need to introduce the next-gen CX-5 in 2025 as a 2026 model bc the interior needs the newer center console desparately & the Signature trim needs more exterior & interior color options from the other models
Mazda needs hybrid options. I don't hate e-cvt's, but it would be preferable if they could put together a more conventional transmission in combination with more hybrids. Generally I love the driving experience of the CX-5 though. All the controls are natural and progressive and while I don't find them fun per se I do find them to be engaging. I just hope that whatever they do with future hybridization they don't lose that driving engagement. Not everything has to be a sports car but it shouldn't put you to sleep either.
Saw the Meridian edition yesterday. Had rooftop rails, surf boards on top and bikes on the back. It looked so good. Ofcoursehe had turbo so I couldn't keep up with the guy. Mazda drivers drive fast man. I can never catch them
@@E_Rice , no, just one less thing to think about while driving (unless there's mist, then you need to turn it off). What I mainly meant is the technology is old, proven, convenient and should be standard on all new vehicles.
Looks like they dropped the Premium and kept the Premium Plus...I bought the Premium in dark blue for my wife back in September and it had Cylinder Deactivation and I-stop. She absolutely loves it. Happy wife, happy life!
Side windows on the Arata look very small, like the CX30. Try sticking your head out and using an ATM in one of those. Put a hybrid in the CX5 and I'm a buyer.
It isn’t reliable on ANY car so far even Honda (arguably the best engine makers on the planet) fucked it up for years on the V6 models. They kind of fixed it with the 2016+ iteration but well see if that lasts when they’re all old
Today I was working not far away of one of toyota dealerships in Santa Monica and decided to check on the only Toyota Prius that was there at the time and the seller told me it's gonna be 5k markup + 4 k for the add ons. Just let that sink in. I hope mazda isn't going that way.
I bought the Mazda CX 30 last year and I bought it used, 1 year old, 9k km. The funny thing was that the price differences between the different versions nearly disappeared. A comparable base model was just about 1000 euro cheaper than my top model. In comparison, if I had bought it new the difference would be around 8k euro. Dunno how it is in the US but it's something to keep in mind.
Nice that some pricing has come down and features added. However, it's not surprising considering the CX-5 is manufactured in Japan and the dollar has been extremely strong vs. the yen. The Premium Plus version is actually cheaper than the 2024 version with more content. I would expect significant rebates (like the CX-50) to move the remaining 2024s (my local dealers' lots have at least as much inventory as pre Covid days).
I remember when starting price use to be around $23/25k not too long ago in this segment 🥲SN: they really need to update that old/dated steering wheel to the cx30/50’s preferably
CX-5 is in a weird position for Mazda, production-wise, considering it's their big seller and they surely won't just drop it and direct people to CX-60 or CX-30/50. They have made two platforms for their small (transverse engine) and large (longitudinal engine) vehicles, but the small platform has a twist beam rear which probably isn't acceptable for the CX-5 market. I guess they could jerry-rig the small platform with a custom rear suspension, but surely this would impact the cost savings of having the platform in the first place. Otherwise, the CX-5 would have to be an even smaller CX-60, which I'm not sure would work out well in terms of packaging and price-competitiveness (to say nothing of whether the large platform can be shrunk further without large cost penalties).
Unfortunately, the price hasn't really gone down, but up. I've been pricing CX-5 Select model. The 2025 version has gone up about $700. And I'm fairly sure that the equipment stays about the same. Who's buying that base version, when you can pay a little more for the Select and get very nice leatherette seats, power seats, heated seats, etc. And you lose 2 speakers... no thanks
Very nice design I’m seeing more of them on the road, but nearly 29 grand for a base one is kinda getting expensive, but they hold there value pretty well, if they had just a front wheel drive option I think it be more better starting closer to 25 grand
Kirk, nothing on a Mazda since 2014 has anything to do with Ford. The CX50 is not manufactured in the USA plant, it is assembled from parts made in Japan.
Mazda for CX5 should stick with current 2.0 and 2.5l petrol engines, NA and turbo in future and just add new hybrid and electric in line up. I would love also to se more HP across all engines, V6 would bi nice maybe sort of performance version like Bmw M, Design wise it certainly deserves more power b/c it looks more powerful than it actually is. They still producing best looking quality cars in market today, and in future it will be consider as valuable collectionable pieces.
I'm always going to be a Mazda fan. I currently have two of them in the driveway and they produce the best handling and most fun vehicles this side of Porsche and Lotus. That said, my 2014 is showing age that it shouldn't given how much I've been baby'ing and rustproofing it. That's what I feel they need to fix. So if they can get an excellent hybrid powertrain in the next generation Mazda3, they have my full attention, but I'm still not 100% sure I'm ready to commit to another Mazda given how they still to this day struggle with corrosion in salty Canadian winters. A Mazda3 wagon would tempt me to a significantly higher degree. I love how the CX5 drives but the CX50 is something else. If they turn the next gen Mazda3 with "CX50 rawness" and the hybrid poewrtrain, I think they'd have a winning formula. I hear the new Civic hybrid is a lot of fun to drive. Maybe Honda does a better job than Mazda? I gotta go and drive more cars.
Mine is ok but it would be good if it was a little softer. I’m experimenting with a tyre pressure of 31 cold to try to gauge if it improves the ride. Technically it should. 31 cold becomes about 33 once tyre has warmed up.
I really hope they're going to add the front & rear parking sensors to the Carbon Turbo & Turbo Premium trims. It would be great if they could add the 360° camera to those trims as well but if they want to keep that as Premium Plus & Signature exclusives, the parking sensors would help for more situations
I thought I saw a CX-5 ad with 1.9% APR for 72 months. Is that the context for your question? I can't find it anymore. I was hoping for that deal to apply to MX-5.
With regards to the possibility of a CX5 Hybrid Kirk, what do you think will be the price differential between a NA unit and the Hybrid? Go on, give it a shot!
The Mazda3 is claustrophobic. The Mazda CX-5 has proven to be a very good vehicle however, do not get the lowest trim level aka base as they sux. The CX-50 had much going for it until things started happening and caused a downward spiral. The CX-5 is better than the CX-50. What Mazda really needs to do is bring back the Mazda6.
I bought a 2018 M6, about two years ago with 7000 miles on it. ITs a phenomenal car.......Puzzling why they would give up on it. I still love it...........perhaps I love it more now than I did when I bought it.....its quiet.....Lexus level of comfort.,......and all of the niceties.....people still compliment me all the time saying they love it. White Touring model. They really struck gold with the 6. I hope they make something like it again for my next car! And its been as reliable as the sun. Not a single problem. Put some Nitto Motivos on it.........so smooth!!
That Arata is blech. For next CX-5 powertrain? I want to see ZOOM ZOOM hybrid. Hell, I am leaning towards the CX-70 Hybrid right now because I fear the new CX-50 Hybrid doesn't have enough headroom, plus down on Zoom. My big problem as a consumer is these idiot car companies have forgotten how to build fun, engaging cars without larding them up with a bunch of overpriced tech that I DO NOT WANT!!!
What this means the redesign of the CX-5 was pushed back to mid 2025 or as a 2026 model now. No hybrid model designed by Mazda yet - I bet that is the reason for the delay. They are probably not ready to launch that yet. Instead they bring back the 2017 slight refresh model in 2025 for an 8th year of production. Not a bad thing as the car is super reliable now after all these years of essentially the same car but it is pretty old by today's auto standards. I bought into it based on the long build cycle buying a 2023 CX-5 Premium Plus at a huge discount since it had 3000 miles on the odometer. We are now happy with our purchase back in January.
CX50 for some reason has the Toyota Hybrid and the next CX5 will have an in-house Mazda Hybrid system, why not be consistent Mazda and use the Toyota Hybrid system as it is a very proven one. I would not want to purchase a NEW CX5 Hybrid until it has proven capability. Using the Toyota Hybrid system is a NO brainer Mazda.
@@peterjordan2738 Actually, Mazda is owned 20 percent by Toyota but they have to pay a lot to get that tech from Toyota. Mazda also knows that hybrid/EV is the future so they have to invest in it themselves to continue to compete. So it makes sense they are building their own hybrid technology like Ford, GM, Stellantis, Mercedes, VW, BMW, and all brands are doing. Not doing this will eventually be the death of the company. Not now. Not in 10 years. But maybe in 50 years. Starting now is a necessity not an option. However, waiting a few years to buy the hybrid from Mazda design would be a smart move.
Im not in the market for a new vehicle I just paid off my 2019Mazda 3GS sport hatchback greetings from southern Ontario Canada I have the 2.5 litre engine with cylinder deactivation
As current and past owner of Mazda's I really wished I liked the looks of both the CX-30 and the CX-5. Both models have too many body panels on the back lift gates which I think make the vehicles look cheaply built which I know is not the case. The CX-5 looks like grandma's SUV and the CX-30 needs to the lose those horrible plastic wheel well coverings. I have sat in both vehicles and love the interior quality but the outside styling just turns me off. The new CX-5 drawings would definitely catch my eye and imagination. Zoom Zoom!
Kirk, you are ignoring the fact that the new proposed design for the Mazda CX-5 has an extremely high beltline. For many of us, that means reduced visibility and a claustrophobic, enclosing interior. The high beltline is what turned me off of the CX-30.
I love my non turbo/non awd 2021 Mazda cx 5 GT.. once it gets going, it goes.. I’ll be driving this till I break my current mileage record in my Chrysler 200 of 234k miles 😂 With turbo and awd, it’d probably go faster… but maybe that will be my next car.
Kirk, why would Mazda have a CX50 Toyota Hybrid in this vehicle but decide with a newly designed CX5 they would have their "own" Hybrid system. I am scratching my head on this one. Plus, it would take approximately 2 years to decide whether the newly built Hybrid in the CX5 would be a viable decision. There goes waiting on a CX5 Hybrid. I just may stick to a 2025 Camry Hybrid.
Mazda has been my favorite brand (with CX-50 being my favorite) but as I’ve gotten older with a growing family, it doesn’t provide me the practicality I’ve needed (i.e. 3 row with large cargo space, plenty of storage space, off-road capability for camping, great fuel economy, etc.). I’m hoping that they release something, maybe an updated CX-9 that can address that. Have you heard anything about a CX-9 refresh?
@@t.k.morrisI didn’t realize the CX-90 was a CX-9 refresh. While I’m sure the CX-90 is the most fun to drive of the 3 row competition (and the best looking), it doesn’t provide the practicality and off road ability that other 3 rows provide (like the Subaru Ascent or the Honda Pilot).
It’s pretty much the same car as last year .expected a refresh for this and also perhaps the mazda3 . Nada. Same car for the 3 as well . Mazda 3 is on its 7th year now
@@carenthusiast4984 Still not getting it? "On its 7th year" is measured in model years. That means when the 25s are released later this year, it will be the SEVENth model year without a full redesign. Learn it.
@@jonwoodworker I bought the CX 5 signature in February and happy enough but I do like the look of the 50 interior better. That being said I miss my Mazda 6, I would have never traded it but needed a AWD for where I live.
@@KirkKreifels I have the fourth generation hybrid drivetrain in my 2023 Lexus ES300h. It is a wonderful vehicle and the drivetrain is amazing. "Powered by a 4th generation Lexus Self-Charging Hybrid drivetrain, the ES 300h offers a dynamic yet refined drive. Thanks to an improved catalyst and new tire supplier, the ES Model Year 2023 delivers even lower emissions starting at 115g CO2/km in the combined WLTP cycle (corresponding to fuel consumption of 5.1 l/100km), remaining the best in class compared to its petrol and diesel competitors."
Non-US subscriber here... can the destination fee be written off under certain circumstances? Reason I ask is can't really think of another country that charges a separate destination fee when buying a new car. Typically the price quoted is what you pay, full stop
In a normal market, you're able to haggle the price down. We're getting back to it being a buyers market this year...but not as beneficial as it was in 2019 for example for the customer...yet
When I bought my 2022 RAV4, that was the case. But when I bought my 2024 RAV4, Toyota NZ has reserved the right to adjust if required. But by and large top you are totally correct. USA operates a bit different to many countries.
I hope they keep the look of the concept for the next generation vehicles. I think it's a good time to do this following BMW's new Klasse design change.
I'm looking forward to your Camry LE review. Now I'm torn between a base CX-5 in Soul Red Metallic or a Camry LE. Being 6'6", head and legroom are important. Which has more Kirk?
Try both for yourself, personally I’ve found many Toyotas cramped on the headroom side and I’m a little shorter than you but everyone has different leg/torso ratio so might be different for you
I’m looking forward to getting the cx5 with turbo akera in a few months, however I’m not interested in the hybrid stuff , if I wanted a hybrid I’d go buy a Toyota
I have the 2023 Akera turbo. It’s good to drive. Check your tyre pressure once you get it as mine was up at almost 50psi. Lower it to 36 and even try it down to 31 for a bit softer ride. See my comment regarding the iStop.
Keeping the CX-5 around with the CX-50 in production is redundant. That's just like if the CX-3, CX-7, and CX-9 still existed with the CX-30, CX-70, and CX-90 alongside each other. I'm not sure why Mazda even thinks keeping the CX-5 in production with the CX-50 being the fresher and new car makes logical sense to them, but whatever I guess.
CX50 is only made as a left hand drive. Countries that are RHD still need the choice of the CX5. It would cost them BIG money to produce a RHD CX50. Besides not everyone wants a CX50 with its off road looking trim style.
12000 cx5 sold vs less than 8000 cx50 sold. Thats why they wont drop cx5. At best it will make them sell more cx5s but at worst, customers may look for some other car brand
Except it cost considerably more and offers less: Canadian MSRP Base CX-50 GS-L: 39.9K, REAR Torsion Beam CX-5 GS: $36.1K, REAR Multi-Link suspension *All information derived from MAZDA specification sheets. Internal Dimension in mm (H - Headroom, L - Legroom, S- Shoulder room, Hi - Hiproom, CV - Cargo Volume) two numbers separated by slash denote [Front / Rear] : CX5: H- 999/991, L - 1041/1007, S - 1451/1392, Hi - 1402/1405, CV - 871 CX50: H -981/952, L - 1058/1012, S - 1361/1323, Hi - 1419/1361, CV - 889 So in comparison while the CX50 is longer and wider it narrowly beats the CX50 interns of legroom while suffering in Shoulder room. Not to mention worse overall ride quality due to rear torsion beam. It's hard to argue for the CX50 when Mazda isn't giving it a competitive edge against it's own CX5. External Dimensions in mm (Wb - Wheel Base, L - overall length, W - overall width, H - overall height): CX5: Wb - 2698, L - 4575, W - 1844 (not mirror to mirror), H - 1679 (17 in wheels & shark fin) CX50: Wb - 2815, L - 4720, W - 1920 (not mirror to mirror), H - 1613 (17 in wheels) It's hard to recommend the CX50 against the CX5 especially when you want a more driver-focused SUV. Unsure why anyone would opt out for CX50 except preference.
Why is their both the CX5 and CX50? Ford has Escape and Bronco Sport but Escape died. So why is their two compact SUV from Mazda. No complaints i love both but its weird.
It would cost Mazda hundreds of millions to tool up and make a RHD CX50. CX50 is only made as a LHD so it’s not sold in the RHD countries. CX5 is made in different plants as both LHD and RHD.
I won't buy anything with Variable Cylinder Management; I haven't seen a band out there that doesn't have increased issues as mileage climbs and keep my cars 15 to 18 years.