Though revelutions on spinner target is relative to impact location ! The lower , typically more revolutions . Also, a new target for each comp would be ideal ! Cheers
Thanks much for sharing the data you collected on the cartridges pretty informative. I own a half a dozen .223/5.56 rifles in both AR type and a bull barrel Rem. 700 and it get used a lot for coyote and fox. I also have a Rem. 700 in a .204 Ruger and found the bullet extremely interesting to learn, both rifles are very accurate and depending on the wind conditions I will take the .204 if predicted wind is under 15 mph if greater than that (within reason) I will take the .223. I have found no difference in killing power between the two but in my eyes and experience the wind drift is the single knock I have on the .204 but in my eyes the 204 is an absolute hoot to shoot! As far as deer hunting with either the 204 or the 223 in my eyes the bullets are to small and the ranges I hunt at are to long and in a lot of cases the deer are running, I shoot a .257 Weatherby Mag for deer, elk and antelope. Thanks for sharing your data again and as for the spinner and counting revolutions, it doesnt mean much, I look closely when I am gutting animals for the terminal damage from entry to exit and base my bullet decisions on what I find there. Thanks again
Your data is truly awesome. I believe if you showed your rifles and set up and talk about the guns as much as you talk about the ballistics you'd have a lot more subscribers
Thank you Zach Welch for your kind words and for being generous with your compliments. On the one hand I do tend to agree with your views. On the other hand, if I adopt those views, then the vids would start to become 30 min in length and I am not sure how long the audience would stay engaged. Or, if I tried to keep the vids short in length, and show more of the set up and rifles, then the ballistic data portion would deteriorate. 🤔
@@outdooradventures1696 i understand completely what your saying. Ill give you an example...today I decided to purchase a varmint rifle for fox, groundhog, beaver ect and was looking into the 204. I ran across your video and seeing the ballistics and the speed and knock down power if you will by how many times the spinner spun I ordered the 204. I purchased a CZ 527. I really wanted to see the guns and setup you were running. If you done that it will really pull folks in, in my opinion. There are other channels with millions of subs who give less info than you did. All they do is show the gun and shoot and show groups. Other than reading what the box says there is no ballistics info at all. Thats why think your stats plus a gun view would make your subscriber count shoot way up (made a pun there)
Zach Welch. Nice choice on the CZ 527. I was using the CZ 527 varmint in the vid (as you probably already know.) Will see what we can do to include more footage of the setups. Was definitely considering doing so and your comments have helped. 🙂👍
@@outdooradventures1696 awesome man. Well I hope it all goes well. 100k subscribers by the end of 2021. Lets see it happen. Also ballistics enthusiasts would be an awesome RU-vid channel name 💪
The 204 with 40 v max is an impressive performer. I think making a comparison with the ubiquitous 223 will not get the support it should. The 204 is a superior varmint cartridge. Both will get the job done in most circumstances. Well done!
We have a 22-250 Ackley improved, its pushing 52 grain burgers @ and around 4300 fps, much faster with a 40gr. Nice thing about the Ackley is you can buy factory ammo at sportsman's warehouse
I would think that the extra 6 inches of barrel length on the 204 would have a big effect on speeds and energy. .223 from the same length barrel would be very close to advertised velocities. Also Superformance is a HOT load.
Isn’t that kind of like saying 300 BO would perform better out of a 20 inch barrel ? I thought 223 was designed for a 20 inch barrel? Point being a longer barrel isn’t necessarily a performance enhancing thing depending on the round, the powder etc. with that in mind, the same length barrel is probably irrelevant as long as the barrel on the 223 is long enough to burn all the powder yes ?
@@MrProfchaos71 Maybe the 223 was initially designed to work in 20 inches but it will climb in velocity noticeably as barrel length increases. my Savage BVSS with a 26 inch barrel will get 60 fps over what a 24 inch will get. A 24 inch will be much faster than a 16-20 inch barrel. Some calibers and propellants will actually shoot slower as barrel length increases but 223 up to a point usually isn't one of them.
The 204 really shines out in a prairie dog field after a full day or more of shooting. The lower recoil and fantastic performance make it a clear winner over all other calibers. Less shooter fatigue means more enjoyable and better shooting. I own several 223, 22-250, 220 swift, 25-06 and love them all for specific purposes. I own 5 204s and they rule my prairie dog shoots now. A much respected old friend who has now passed, used to say they were going to outlaw 204svwith Swarovski scopes for prairie dogs. He owned pretty much every factory and Ackley cartridge out there and he was a 204 believer after a couple shoots. The 223 is a super useful and adaptable cartridge that can perform many tasks well and I will never abandon it but for varmints the 204 outshines them all.
Thanks for the data, very useful. Of course part of the reason you are getting a different number of rotations is the target being hit in a different spot. - The miracle or levers. :-)
Barrel length is key for both calibers and there are test lengths that companies use for those. Both I believe are 24” so that’s why velocities are slowed than advertised with the 223. And it’s possible your experiencing parasitic drag on the 204 as speeds are slower.
If your velocity data was indeed from a 16" .223Rem and a 25.6" .204Ruger, you can bet the .224 cal VMAX will be going faster out of the same barrel length. Of course the issue with ballistic coefficients still remains, and the 204Ruger will still be somewhat better trajectory/drift-wise at varminting distances, at the cost of almost everything that makes the 223Rem such a great allrounder.
You’re correct I’ve shot 22-250, 220 swift, 222, 223, a list of hot varmint calibers. The 204 absolutely bucks the wind better than any of those calibers. I use a xr-100 and the target ruger 77. The Xr-100 loved the 35 grain Berger bullets. At 600 yrds the 204 bucked half value winds 8 to 10 inches better than the 22-250 using 55 grain noslers. The 204 is way underrated. I’m working on my first AR build right now in the 204, I’m very excited about this build!!
What people forget that the 204 is a 222 magnum necked down to a 20 caliber lead. Thats why it's a flat shooting round. I do have a 204 in a savage the closest round for comparison is a 45 grain to the 55 grain 223 round.
It's a nice little comparison although with their being a 9-1/2" barrel length difference between the rifles its comparing apples to oranges. If that 223 would have been shot out of the same length barrel the numbers would have definitely been higher than the 204 and would have had different results in the tests
Great video , I had exactly the same question.223 or .204, this video has solved this issue, .204 all the way , thank you for all the time taken to deliver this info , regards from Wagga Wagga Australia
Thank you Mr. Barron for sharing your findings. The video has been out for nearly 15 months now and your comment was the first one that provided this good news. Have you seen the newer 204 vs clay vids?
Very interest video. I use a 204 with 40 grain vmax projectiles. No coyotes in Australia, but it is a devastating round on foxes. Of which we have a lot of.
apples to oranges because of barrel length, secondarily due to ammo. 223 shot hit the edge of jug so energy went out the side, as evidenced by how far to the right it traveled. all things being equal, barrel and ammo, the 204 is faster but carries less energy. if the extra energy isn't needed then the 204 for that purpose would be better. out 250+yds the 223 in a 62-77gr would be far superior
Thanks for sharing! As I was thinking, and others shared your spin comparison needs to factor in hit location. (I’d hate to do the math to figure out how much effect it does have!!!) Of course it is easy to make comments and much more work to provide data. Very hard to create a perfect experiment, and probably not worth the effort. Thanks for providing something we can all learn from.
Great presentation mate. I’ve just come across a second hand CZ 527 Varmint in .204 that I’m seriously thinking about trading my .223 in for. Cheers for the info.
Does your buddy have any photos of pelt damage? Us fur hunters care about that kind of stuff. I believe the whole point of the .204 is to prevent over penetration to reduce pelt damage.
If being able to afford to shoot it is a priority, go with the 223. If you want the extra cost and the extra speed go with a 22-250. The 204 is not that great when 22-250 is an option.
In one of your videos you said your rifle was the CZ 527 .204 with a 25.6" barrel. I've looked and can't find where CZ even makes that barrel length in a 204. Is that info correct?
If the 204 was a lot cheaper to shoot it only then would make sense to have a 204. It really isn't worth spending the money on a rifle, scope and all the other stuff for it. It's not like varmints have thick hides
I’d rather have a 204 but the ammo cost drives me away. I bought a AK47 many years ago and enjoy the ability to buy cheap bulk ammo and shoot it all I want. I can’t shoot 20 rounds and be happy lol. So I’d have to go with 223 for the simple fact I can get cheap bulk ammo and shoot the hell out of it. But I love the 204 ballistics and performance! I just don’t feel I could afford to enjoy it much
Thank you for taking the time to write...your timing could not have been better. Just got done filming more 204, 223, and 22-250. Am literally editing the footage at this very moment.
Thank you for your kind words. The difference in price per round depends on a lot of factors. What is the cost for not having the best ammo for the application? Cheers.
Somehow i have a hard time believing that, considering people are using 30" barrels on things like 308. Even most 9mm ammo will gain velocity up until 18" before very slowly starting to bleed it off, and thats like 3 times the bore area with 1/5 of the powder charge
HVS. Hi. I'm from the uk and considering a 204. Your comment is interesting as I was thinking longer barrel is better? But your comment has stopped me in my tracks. What's your opinion on a 20 inch barrel with the 204 please.
So once again.........the factory inflates velocities, really....use a long barrel under ideal conditions......then these numbers will be closer to factory......... until then.....much ado about nothing............
