22 Bantam VS Metanium VS Zillion!!! WTF The Zillion BEAT THE METANIUM!?!?!? 

Those old Tatulas are decent bombers

Agreed

Tranx…

@@alexfishing47 Tranx is missing the infinitydrive, that alone is the biggest difference I felt after switching to the Bantam from the SLX and Curado.

I fish the same water as you and I got rid of my metaniums and bantam. The metaniums especially, I found them too finicky if trying to get the best cast out of them. Very smooth bringing in a fish though. I honestly find the curadp 150 mgl a better reel for our waters over the metanium. My zillion sitting on top of a Laguna Trident is the ticket though. Casts a mile, smooth retrieve, light enough, and all around great. I also love using the Alderberan and custom lite. Both are great for our coast.

as soon as that Japanese magazine releases the article lol

I am from the same era. These new low profiles are incredible. Worth the investment. The lack of weight is what i appreciate most.

I'm a Big Shimano guy but I recently picked up a Daiwa Zillion and although they may not cast as far as most of my Shimano's, they're very user friendly and are great for anyone from a novice to a pro to throw without backlash. Mine only took 5 minutes to set up and I was casting a very good functional distance without problem.

That's one thing the video definitely showed, which is easier to brake adjust. The Zillion can long cast and quickly adjust the brakes for skipping. While the Bantam and Met can be a bit bothersome. Then there's the possibility of dropping the side plate which is going to happen.

The Metanium pitches better than the Zillion. Much flatter trajectory and distance with less effort

@@findingthetrackway4875 Adjusting the Bantams is not bothersome at all. Once you have picked out how many brake arms you want to use, external dial is all you need.

@@THEREELTEST riiight.. lol

But,zillion gear still aluminium,not so good for a heavy game..but its ok la,for 3-5 KG fish..use your rod power,not your gear power..

With some magforce Z with certain lures yes, more spool tension with less brake can gain you a few more feet. But with SV you need the spool tension as loose as possible

That's exactly what I did with my Zillion. I increased spool tension and run the break at 4 and have plenty of functional casting distance and haven't had one blowup.

40LB is not for the fish but for the heavy cover. A lot of times it's a 5LB fish with a 20LB hydrilla mess you will be fighting.

@@goryglory729 Ahh… god point 😀👍

@@goryglory729 exactly, then theres rock and sticks. Better to bent the hook than lose the bait.

I have nothing against Daiwa, they make some great reels, and Ive never once said any specific Daiwa reel was garbage. I do however love butt triggering their fanboys with truth lol

@@THEREELTEST I know, and it surely is very funny even though I am a Daiwa fanboy.

Yes I have the JDM model with the 70 spool. I forgot to mention the US 150 Metanium

This guy is such a bias clown lol. He’s the fanboy 🤣

does this make you mad? lol

Thanks for the knowledge brother! I guess its the price I pay for getting cheap braid in bulk lol

I have the same reels as well and distance wise the bantam blows my zillion out of the water and does it with much less force in the cast. Control wise they are close when casting short distances but when you get past 50 feet or so, the zillion becomes a handful and my bantam just does it so effortlessly. The problem I have with my zillion is similar to his problem. When I try to cast with any real distance with my zillion, I'm constantly going between blow ups every other cast or going another step down on the brake setting and getting a controlled cast with considerable less distance. So I've stuck to just pitching and flipping only with my zillion and maybe some intermediate casting here and there. But the bantam is just an all around great performer. And the infinity drive for me is absolutely a difference maker. But I did not notice it until I was reeling in decent fish. When it's under heavy load, you can really tell the ease and smoothness of the infinity drive vs my 2018 bantam that does not have it.

And just a side note, I use 14 lb sunline fluorocarbon on both my bantam and my zillion

@@caseydangar4414 🤷🏾‍♂️

@@caseydangar4414 I don't know What to say there partner. I'm not a fanboy of either company. I own more shimano's then any other reel. But for some reason those are just my results pairing these two together. What are your break settings. Maybe that's the difference maybe it's just a fisherman

@@caseydangar4414 I’ve never had a blow up using my zillion. Not one time. And that’s bomb casting it into the wind. Lined with 30lb braid

daiwa have new steez already and should come zillion hlc 23 after zillion hd 22. hope shimano will make new cardiff dc bfs reel )))

@@oslo7457 Steez A 2 is such an old frame to be using in 2023. It is essentially a Steez A with the new Zillion's gears and cosmetic changes. Everyone hoped they would build an aluminum Steez CT frame, for a Steez A CT. Would love to see a new Conquest BFS.

hopefully a chronarch refresh that would be nice

New Met DC is definitely coming.

That aldebaran your speaking of is the one I'm waiting for. Almost went for the slx dc70 it's just not being enough. Lol

Here in the USA this is considered light braid LOL

@@THEREELTEST no. Sorry, that's not light. Inshore on casting reels we use 20-30lb. Bass, only time there's something over 30lb is when frogging or doing something really close where aren't casting for distance.

Send them to me and Ill battle them! lol

ebay or amazon

After handling all three I believe the metamians definitely the smallest palms the smallest anyway the Bantam is next then the zillion they all come pretty comfortably but the phantom in my opinion palms better it's just a heavier reel is all

I think I compare them size wise in this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VohwwAa3Y6o.html The metanium feels slightly longer due to the bigger top front section of the frame

No wonder the line was so cheap in cost lol

Dodgeball was awesome

Im sure that braid costs much more than mine lol

I purchased the 23' Met. 100 and although it's a really sweet reel, the spool is a little deeper than the 2020 JDM Met. but not as deep as the U.S. 150 Met.

I had the MGL 150 out today to do battle with several other $200 reels and It would be the perfect reel if the color scheme wasnt so dull! So I was contemplating the Tranx 150 lol. So who knows, I may get it

@@THEREELTEST yeah the MGL casts awesome and is a great reel, just wonder if the 150 tranx compares in casting distance, the tranx is better looking and also saltwater approved

good info. I may use 20lb for future battles

I thought the Metanium was 150 also

The meta out 20 from the jdm is a 100 size but the US model is a 150. The 150 outcasts the 100 by a noticeable distance too.

@@morganyoder4277 ok that's why. I have the us version. I recently got the 22 Metanium shallow spool for it though

Send all 3 to me and Ill gladly test them

@@THEREELTEST just buy a 150 size spool, it’s 75 from shimano and fits in the jdm metanium. The only difference between the 2 is the spool depth.

You won’t find much better than those in my opinion . Sure the new reels have fancy features but those green Curados are bomb proof !

@@OsamaBinDarrel Yea, anything even comparable to them nowadays ?

@@OsamaBinDarrel so am I better off finding more of them or getting a newer reel like a curado dc or diawa zillion?

Can't go wrong with the curado k, I have 6 of em. Lol 👌

This channel is 100% all about distance

You’ll be surprised. It’s not just cast ability your paying for. You get lightweight #1 #2 you get LINE CONTROL 3# plus an excellent drag = equals less downtime and more fish time=More fish.

And I’ll tell you why the Daiwa will lose. Every time. Because of their service dept. they are liars and thieves. And will gladly steal from your grandma

Superior tolerance is most important to me. Shimano and Daiwa are normally king here.

Casting control on far distant. Besides, Durability and smoothness.

Yeah... I wasnt trying to spend alot of money on braid for this battle lol.

@@THEREELTEST yea I completely understand mate braid can get crazy expensive but worth it on your favorite combo. Majorcraft dangan and momoi lure cast are both excellent but I now lean towards the majorcraft as it’s cheaper.

so would you say using 20lb braid would be enough for a 3/4 oz lure? Im always afraid of line snaps

We mostly talk about diameter here, not about lb but in general for bfs we use braid 0,10mm and under, for 1/2 oz to 1oz lures something between 0,12 and 0,15 and braid like you have used in the video we use typically for heavy pike fishing with lures around 3 - 4 oz. Regarding line break i never had issues with that. But i have to say that super heavy cover would be an exception to this of course. Cheers!

Also, would be very interesting to see how much the casting distance will improve with the thinner braid

according to Shimano Japan its a 70 size spool

I love my Metanium!

how the hell do you get 65lb on the Metanium? Even the 150?

@@THEREELTEST power pro maxquatro, it's 25% thinner than other braid. I can send you a picture of the reel with it on there.

He has the JDM one and it’s a 100 capacity spool. The US Metanium and both Bantams are 150s

@Hunter Bull then they should at least both hold the same amount of line... maybe he did empty the spool with the Metanium 🤷‍♂️

Sorry, clearly he did empty the spool... what I meant to say is that possibly the Metanium does cast a fair amount further than the others.

Remember that when brands say it holds 105 yards, that's when you put wet braid in it and with a really nice amount of tension. After changing braid/mono on more than 50 different reels since I work in a tackle store I can definitely say he probably had 80-90 yards in the reel if he spooled it dry and with fair tension, and not 105 yards.

@Eliseo Caporale but did the line really have a .32 mm diameter???

I believe them to be gimmicks. I picked up the new pro ti and does nothing new or better than any tournament pro I own. I fish inshore, not bass. I use tournament pros, custom pros and custom lites. Lews palms great but I'm going back to using my Diawas and shimanos. Lews has been a disappointment lately.

I measured them form the cast control knob to the side plate and the difference between the two is negligable. Height is negligable as well. The outer casing of the Bantam looks thicker. The two palm very similar as well. The Bantam feels similar to the metanium 2020 and no where near as bad as the giant silver brick aka the 2021 Antares DC

Yeah the zillion is the biggest the Bantam would be next and I considered the matanium to Palm the smallest but in all honesty the Bantam is the most comfortable to Palm the only downsides to that real is how heavy it is how heavy it is

So how does the zillion palm I have a small hand, how big is it compare to 2016 scorpion 70?

@@jimt5683 in my opinion, the rod plays a big part of the equation. I have a rod that neither my Met B or Zillion feels all that great on. However, put a Curado DC on and it's like hearing Angels sing. I was wondering if the Bantam sat differently, or was a little shorter before buying for this particular setup.

Well I haven't had the scorpion 70 but I'm assuming that is the same frame as the curado BFS and nothing palms as small as that real but the zillion definitely is comfortable to Palm but does still feel a touch on the big side compared to these small reels the metanium is probably the closest to the corrado BFS but in my opinion The phantom palms slightly bigger than the metamian but it's a more comfortable call me feel overall it kind of like has a spot for your thumb to set instead of your thumb just up being on top of the real

Why should you have to worry about that in a $350 reel?

I can say, that when spooling the reels up, this line left some sticky substance on the top guide of the rod that I had to pick off

I fully agree. I usually have pe1.5 on my reels, sometimes even #1.2.

not even close

Think it is going to be the bantam, as my zillion outcasts the scorpion DC (not by much but definetly noticeable. Maybe around 3-5m with 1/2oz Spinnerbaits on a MH rod). As the bantam at least here casts further than the zillion it should definetly cast further than the scorpion as well.

I can attest to the bantam casting further than the 21 scorpion dc. The 21 scorpion dc has a really heavy braking profile compared to other earlier versions of the scorpion dc so it's not a monster caster distance wise in my opinion. But its a very controlled caster. Its a dream to fish with when extreme distance isn't needed

Thank you for the feedback! Much appreciated!

If distance and a smaller form is your highest need, the Bantam is your choice. If it’s the ability to throw various lure weights with little to no adjustments and a more haste free experience in windy conditions, choose the scorpion DC.

@@ArmyofOne-14x thanks!

Thanks for the information!

I mean... for a Shimano MGL it may not be on par with some of the others, but against any Daiwa, Id give the advantage to the 18 Bantam. If I didnt take the extra effort to extract the extra distance on the Zillion I would have gotten beat by about 15 feet

you need to actually fish a Zillion in the 1st place..😂

@@jimbo0411 I’ve had plenty of fishing time with the zillion, there is nothing better in my opinion about it than the scorpion dc I replaced it with.

14 gram

Its an American thing LOL

@@THEREELTEST went fishing at night to try out for snake head with the bantam mgl. -.- was getting confused how to set it... had 3 brake on ... max dial using lure 15g-28g , line still blow up hahaha.... Line was ygk Xbraid x8 25lb ............. think it like 0.18mm ...............kinda thin........... it bloom out each time.. maybe i need thickerlines haha

unfortunately Im on a Hercules budget lol

and way more $$$ lol Im not trying to spend $100 on fishing line for a cast battle

new Metanium DC may be coming out this weekend!

@@THEREELTEST🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽

Yeah, you can buy a spare 150 spool and it will still be cheaper than a USDM Metanium.

150 and 100 respectively

you mad bro?

stay mad "ryan" LOL

Thank you i feel the same, he was different 4-5 years ago

I mean, what does bias have to do with one reel clearly outcasting another and proving it on video? And yes I prefer Shimanos over Daiwa for many reasons but one is that they cast farther

@@andys.1316 Im still the same as when I stared the channel. If anything Ive taken it easy on the fanboys

He is right though, shimano's usually cast further.

@@THEREELTEST okay to say “fanboys” is a stretch dude first of all there is a lot more people that either know of shimano or are fans of shimano lol you’re like talking shit without blatantly saying it. And on top of that a lot more people probably know of shimano, people that aren’t even really into fishing even know about shimano dude if anything shimano and Daiwa would be like direct comparison of Apple and Samsung as rivals (apple=shimano. Daiwa=Samsung) but regardless they both catch fish and both do their job really fucking well. I love both company’s equally and there are alot of Daiwa reels that are better than some shimano reels just as there is alot of shimanos better than Daiwas but I will give shimano one thing their $300-500 dollar range reels usually tend to be better in my opinion and also Diawas braking system is a lot more friendly as the mag force is more heavy on braking than the SVS infinity but the SVS infinity system is more of a free spool experience as you only tighten tension knobs to minimize side to side play both have advantages and usually the magforce allows for more consistent casting but the SVS does allow for more distance which is really good for bottom working baits when you really need that long cast but, I prefer daiwas for power fishing as I feel like mostly i almost never backlash working a square bill or chatterbait working docks or shell beds power fishing. But my point is just as you have different rods for different techniques and reels, different company’s do different techniques better than the other where the other doesn’t excel as well.

are you mad "ryan"? lol

Who is "we"? Setting brakes on Daiwas isnt hard, its made for simpletons. I can tell that YOU dont know how to set up Shimanos. I promise you that I dont care about your claims about your zillion casting farther than Metaniums, I PROVE that to be false.

Not alot of review info on that reel. I know its braid tuned and the spool is super shallow

That about sums it up. SV air brakes are a beginners braking system that Daiwa put on their most expensive reels

@@THEREELTEST You're such a nice guy.. lol.. sarcasm on alert. Snob comment.

Says the guy that doesn't fish.. 😂