LBJ was Respected On He's earlier years, Hated on He's recent Years Especially today. MJ Feared in He's Entire Career, Sought After and still Chased 20+ years after His Career Ended.
Michael Jordan's game was just beautiful to watch. LeBron has never given me an oh-my-god-I-can't-believe-what-I-just-saw moment. Jordan routinely did that.
Right LeBron has one single move. I can't for the life of me understand why people say he has a high basketball i.q.......he crashes the paint and if he gets in trouble he passes. It's not some brainiac mastermind plan lol.
@@brandondrew4914 True he was just brute force. no grace or whatsover. Zero hangtime. Just plain old boring move. LBJ fans are blind as a bat and not see how ugly lebron's plays are.
@JordantheDOGE it's not hard to stop froma coaching perspective either. Super easy actually. Tell your guards to make three steps away from their zone and stand there with your hands up and draw the foul and put your defense at a 3/4 press on their shooters he's going to pass to. I would let him do it every play with joy.
@JordantheDOGE he's a good player, he's not a great player. There's not a single thing that stands about him, he's not a top 10 player today let alone alltime, consecutive 30 win seasons and being 11th in the conference and 23rd in the NBA tell us that. Shooting .200 in the finals tells us that 4/10 or 22/33 in the finals and yet having the chance with 26 all stars tells us that. Curry by far has a better goat argument but that's not being had because he's not the goat either. There's only one player that even has that chance today and that's Luka and it's tougher for him because again as we know this era is soft as gramas bread and just doesn't mean as much.
Look at it this way, if you are Greatest Player Of All Time, then "Flopping" shouldnt be part of your game. Love and Respect for the game of basketball and to the fans watching is what MJ is all about.
Flopping is a product of the tule changes. To be the best means taking advantage of the whole sport. That has little to do with the actual players and more to do with the league trying to prioritize scoring.
Lebron has 4 rings (two with the Miami Heat, one each with the Lakers and Cleveland Cavaliers). MJ has 6 rings with 1 team, the Chicago Bulls. He didn't have to leave his team to win multiple championships.
That’s cause bulls had a hall of fame coach and great front office that drafted and sign players to help them win unlike lebron and the bum ass cavs who for 7 years second best player was 39 year old shaq and mo Williams
@@wavyboytbigbucks2852 But eventually he did win a ring with the Cavs so I guess they had a good coach and front at that point. And instead of building on that success he still left to go get rings in Miami and LA and still came up short to MJ
@@linearrecords12 first of all bruh do you even watch basketball the only reason why the cavs won is because lebron became the front office aka Legm and bro had a rookie head coach taking to the finals and kyire left the cavs klove was old and nothing but bums and he didn’t owe the cavs anything after winning the championship for them
@@wavyboytbigbucks2852 MJ didn't owe the Bulls anything either after he won his first title but still stuck around and won another 5 championships with them because he's loyal unlike LJ
@@linearrecords12 nah cause the bulls was the best team out there by miles even without mj he would be a fool to leave a great organization like the bulls big difference
All of Jordan's highlights could all be in 1 game. He played like that every second of every game so for me growing up watching him, every game was a highlight.
True. MJ got Norwegians sitting up and night to watch live basketball. You will be lucky to find anyone who even heard of LBJ. MJ had that special thing about him that LBJ cant overall stat himself past
Jordan never took a night off. Among the greats, maybe only Kobe could also make that claim. Kobe might have even been more skilled, but MJ is in another league.
Wade says its hard having a conversation about the greatest of all time when a man is still putting on his jersey, but it wasn't hard when Michael was playing. Everyone knew they were watching the greatest to ever do it. That isn't the case with Lebron. The whole world isn't saying "that's the greatest ever right there, no doubt about it!".
jordan came before lebron so that’s not fair because whatever way u rank them they are the top 2 so whoever came before is gonna be seen as the goat because at that time they were #1 by a long shot and the second one is gonna he compared too the standing #1 of lebron came first it would be the other way around idrk which one is better but i will say jordan is greater
@jaspony5983 Lol Lebrons just on the edge of my top 5. Jordan is very clearly #1. Kareem Bird Kobe and Duncan were all better. He HAS to win more rings if he really wants to be apart of it, and if he wants to be the goat he needs an mvp and dpoy in the same year, couple more finals mvp's, a lot more scoring titles, and to be averaging over 35. Scoring has become inflated with the 3pt shot what it is now, so he's gotta get a lot better at that, and I dont even think one of those things I said will happen. Can't remember who said it but theres a HOF career seperating Jordan and James. And James has already played for longer.
@wavyboytbigbucks2852 If you meant Barkley he never was top 10, Kobe is still a ways ahead of Steph, Steph has a good few years left though so we'll see how that pans out
@@phillipscott7198 He was a basketball player and that is where he excelled, why the F would anyone care what he did off the court? He is thought of as the GOAT in the NBA, nothing more...
I will tell U what MJ did off of the court! He made a far more SUPERIOR Space Jam Movie, and He convinced his whole team to give up their summer to bulk up for what became their first championship won!💯💯 He NEVER phoned it in, He ALWAYS left it ALL on the court and if it didn't go his way ( and it didn't A LOT) He never showed poor, sportsmanship, or made excuses. He shook hands and found a way to be better! But it's all documented. If Lefans didn't go so hard or he didn't have Twitter fingers, He would simply fade out like the rest. One never focused on being Goat. The other can't appreciate his company because He is too busy reminding people that He is the Goat! Which frankly is ruining that very argument. U have no busy playing with brooms 20 seasons in, nor holding organizations hostage until your family member is in the league. Until that happens He is playing 9vs.1!💯💯
Scottie is just a bitter old man that Phil Jackson gave Kukoc the last shot over him vs the Knicks game 3 1994 ECSF. Little did Scottie know, he was busy choking the game away for the Bulls bricking shot after shot prior to the last possession. Had he took that last shot, more than likely he would of bricked it, the bulls would went to it vs the Knicks and lost and got swept instead of pushing to 7 games.
Hard to argue with 2 rings, 2 finals MVPs, DPOY, Regular Season MVP, 4 All-Def 1st Teams, 9 Scoring Titles, and 3 Steals Titles. That's basically a HOF caliber career. That's also the difference between MJ's career and LBJ's. +2 Rings +2 Finals MVPs +1 DPOY +1 MVP +4 All-Def 1st Teams +9 Scoring Titles +3 Steals Titles LBJ's career + another potential HOF career = MJ's career. Let that sink in.
@@monke2457 Nah they got the right player for dpoy. If anything, it could be arguable if it could have been Tony Allen. That Memphis team was insane defensively.
"I'll see your HOF career and raise you another HOF career, plus I'll throw in the fact that I did them both in less time to sweeten the pot... " - MJ to LeBron
I would say Labon is the best most psychically gifted player of all time. MJ is the greatest player to ever play. He definitely had his gifts psychically but his mindset and mentality is what makes him the GOAT.
Why is this even a debate? For clicks? DangerProduction on RU-vid already made a video -- "Jordan vs Lebron - The Best GOAT Comparison" ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tl3mR6eoEa8.html ) -- that literally made all the Lebron fans shut up.
Jerry West said that MJ is the best player of all time by far. He’s played against wilt and kareem and Dr. J amongst others. He watched Kobe up close for many years and has watched LeBron’s whole career up close.
Agree. Kobe Bryant is the closest to Michael Jordan we'll ever see! In my humble opinion Kobe is 2nd greatest basketball player of all time. Kareem, Magic, Willt, Bird, Russel, etc... sorry guys!
@@daverubin6031 magic was better than kobe and i feel bird is the best small forward ever but i kobe can at least compete with kareem and russell. if i had to say MJ, magic, bird and wilt are pretty much the untouchable top 4.
See Lebron walk out on his Lakers team when they lost to the Suns this year. Were talking before the buzzer even sounded. Thats not a trait of the greatest ever
@@udithsethu552 lmao are u serious!!!??? Kobe Bryant isnt on Lebron James level!!?? Wow. The Kobe Bryant that won 5 NBA titles (with the same team his entire career btw, which it's sad that actually has to be said because of how it is nowadays with stars jumpin all over the league to form super teams.) Bro lol come on now ! Lol
@@tomkee4479 Yep MJ is the Goat, everyone else is a step below him, Lebron is in the Kareem,Magic tier where they have arguments to be the Goat, Kobe don't get me wrong is a top ten player of all time, I have him at 8 but isn't on the level of MJ and Lebron, And Kobe playing with the same team isn't that big of a deal when that team is the LA Lakers one of the biggest and best markets, Attacting lots of FA and superstars, why the hell would Kobe wanna leave LA? It's not the same as someone playing for a small market team for the rest of their career, Kobe is with Lakers ffs, Only reason Kobe would leave LA is if his team sucked and he played his first 8 seasons with another top ten player Prime Shaq, After Shaq left Lakers sucked for 3 years, And Kobe Bryant himself went on SAS radio and said that he wanted out of LA, But nobody mentions that point when talking about "Kobe's loyalty" Kobe wanted to leave LA in 07 Lakers front office begged him to stay and Lakers FA pulled one of the biggest trade steals of all time with the Gasol trade and then since they are the Lakers great players like Odom,Fisher,Bynaum,Artest all wanted to be in LA. Then after that Dwight,Nash wanted to be in LA, Why would Kobe move to superteam, When LA is a place that attracts talented players great players will come to him being in LA it's not the same as somebody like Duncan who stays in a small market like SA.
Mj played in an era where they could beat up on him to an extent and he still averaged 30 ppg. The rule changes since mj would be at the line 10 times a game. He’s 6-0 in the finals and if he didn’t retire in the middle of his career it’s safe to say he would’ve won 7 straight. Before lebron MJ was the guy everyone wanted to be. Lebron probably grew up watching mj wanting to be like him. The man changed the game.
@@tiktokexposed898 Using the eye test is subjective as clearly everyone in Jordan's camp think he wins that. I don't know why you guys use that as a measure.
@@aliciasplaytime6905 LeBron is healthy you know from what I understand he spends a lot of money on his health and staying healthy but I don’t think he was in the shape that Jordan was in Jordan went nonstop every single game LeBron not so much
I have to say I give a lot more credence to the ones that have actually played against both. The majority, if not all of them said Jordan. I'm thinking, "If they found it more difficult to guard Jordan while they were ALSO in their prime years than to guard Lebron in their not so prime years..that should tell you something right there". This younger generation hasn't had to go up against Jordan (even while he was in his 40's), so I just tell myself "they don't know no better" lol! Kobe Bryant even said “It’s one thing watching him play and it is another thing when you’re playing against him.” Also, with Jordan's work ethic and competitive drive, if you were to time travel him to today's basketball games, he would have STILL dominated. And that's the point that some of those players were making - He would have made 40-50+ points per game nowadays, because the game isn't as rough as it was back then. Whatever the change in the game was, he would rise to the occasion....it's all about 3-pointers now?..you better believe he would take the off season and improve on that where he could dominate in that area too. That's just the kind of player he was. "For the Love of the Game" ❤
Frankly he would still be able to go 40-50 + points in today's game even without shooting a single 3 pointer, since the game is softer and MJ could drive the whole all he wanted and get an and1 to make it a 3 point play, over n over n over n over again 😅
As a kid growing up in the 90s, I hated anytime my team had to play Chicago since I know Jordan was gonna knock them down. Hated the fact that MJ was so good and later on that made me realize he truly was the GOAT
Mj was 30-7 in playoff series...he only got outscored once and that was his first yr as a rookie by one total pt in 4 games 118-117...the next 36 series he outscored everyone.....mj was never outplayed in any of his 37 playoff series...he won 25 out of his 26 playoff series...that is the best 26 series span in nba history...Bill Russell's is 24-2......mj led the postseason and regular season in scoring 10 times apiece...he led in total pts 11 times and 8 more times in the postseason...mj in all 6 of his championships led the regular season...postseason and finals in total pts and pts per game 36 out of all 36 scoring categories if you're counting including all 24 playoff series in the title yrs.......no one has even come close to doing this once OUTSCORING the entire league in EVERY single scoring category in 6 seasons...essentially mj won 6 straight titles...6 straight final mvps....6 straight scoring titles...6 straight first team all nba selections...6 straight first team all defensive selections and 6 straight all star selections when he played the entire yr...only thing he didn't do 6 times in those champion seasons was win 6 mvps as he 'only' won 4 ....he destroyed both barkley and malone in the finals to compensate the blatant robbery of 2 mvps...this complete and thorough domination of the entire league will NEVER be accomplished once and mj did this in 6 straight full seasons that he played
There are some accomplishments that Jordan has multiple of that the entire rest of the NBA combined doesn't have as many. I love how people try to argue that LeBron is the better player because of his complete statline. He gets more boards and assist and involves his teammates better. He plays chess on the court they say. Well you know what... The objective of the game is to score more points than the other team right. So give me the guy that's gonna do that the best and do it consistently anyday over the guy who's trying to set up an offense. King James plays chess while Jordan gets crowned playing checkers. Also Jordan would be the best scorer in the game and be the best defender as well. Another fun fact to your list. People will say Kobe is a better scorer than Mike because of 81 and multiple 60 point games in just 3 quarters. I'm a huge fan of Kobe and believe that LeBron isn't even ahead of him on the goat list as well, but when it mattered most, in the playoffs, who was the better scorer? Kobe's career postseason high was 50 while Jordan has more 50 point games (5) than he had games scoring under 20(4) in the playoffs. He also never scored fewer than 15 in any playoff game! LeBron multiple playoff games in single digits and one of those in a finals game!? Terry Cummings outscored him by one point in his first playoff series and that never happened again in the next 36.
Reading this entire thread of FACTS removes ANY and ALL doubts as to who the better basketball player and GOAT is. Sad part is, some youngin' with posters in his room of LBJ wearing jerseys from 3 different teams is gonna read all these facts and go..... "Yeah, but __"
Jordan accomplished all his nba accolades in just 13teen seasons vs Lebron's 20 seasons. Jerry Stackhouse. "MJ DROPPED 48 POINTS ON ME IN 3 QUARTERS AND WENT TO THE BENCH AND WATCHED THE REST OF THE GAME" is an astonishing statement. Also, what if Jordan played the final 12 minutes of that game and scored 20 or 22 we would be talking about a 68-70 point game from Michael Jordan. Man, people need to knock it off with this fictitious goat debate and comeback to reality. Flight #23, AIR JORDAN IS THE GREATEST NBA BASKETBALL PLAYER, PERIOD.
@@legendarywiimaster no. He’s only played 1 entire season & because u come out of high school & shop around the league for rings. Doesn’t make u the GOAT or best scorer of all time. It just means u needed a longer time to accomplish what other did in a shorter time.
Jordan played 3 years at NC, broke his foot his 2nd year and only played 28 games... "retired" twice (once in his absolute physical prime)...and it's still taken LBJ more games, more minutes to pass him in scoring...and LBJ still tryna catch him in rings... dude recruit players harder than Nick Saban lol
also if you look on average michael got 2468 each season in his career (30.1 x 82) and him missing like 3 seasons or around there he would have 7404 more points which means he would have the most points in nba history know take this with a grain of salt cause really it those not mean anything but it is fun to think about
@@user-hu4gk6sg2h first of all I don’t. Think you know what I was saying and also the reason it cause Lebron for most of his his shots are from 0-3 feet away And most of MJ’s where long distance hard shots form the perimeter and he still shot all most 50% from the field which for a guard is unheard of for the shot he was doing and also lebron cherry pics his shot in so many games and another thing is Michael doesn’t play when it’s a blow out to make his stats look better
@@bastheman991 you're soooo right! he played less years. had he played like kobe did, he'd be number 1. but with, it's more with less. that's how lethal he is.
Just a thought... if you're going to talk about assists, etc., where do you consider John Stockton, who continues to have the most assists AND steals in NBA history???
@@jasonwaznak5825 nah man, stop making excuses for that guy. When you retire you literally quit… then he quit baseball too …. It’s the highest form of professional quitting
@@BrandonSBest he never quit basketball. His contract was up and he opted out to play baseball and golf. But Michael never gave up in play off games like LeBron. Multiple times LeBron gave up during games.
The scoring stats in today's era are less impressive as there is no defense! Longevity is less impressive because players bodies aren't taking abuse because there is no defense! C'mon man.
And for those that DO love the stats (which favors longevity) then they also have to consider Lebron has the MOST turnovers in NBA history. Imagine someone telling you that, "the greatest player of all-time has the most turnovers EVER!" Umm no, not a GOAT.
@@saulnpepa5699 oh wow as many stats as I know for this debate , I did not know that one lol. That's awesome thank u for sharing cause that just gives me one more good one to pile on top of all the other ones I can use to easily prove MJ is the goat by far!
That's what I always say to. Ones a cold blooded killer feening for the ball. To end the game other isn't. It's as simple as that. If u asked me who would u rather have to win the game Jordan or lebron it's not even a question I'm picking Jordan the goat
Well Longevity is a Good Thing. Le Bron is a victim of the Old Saying " "Die Young Being the Hero ( In this Case Short but Sweet Career) or Live long Enough to become the villain (Long Career with Controversy). It Can be Negative or Positive .
@@weynnerguillen9533LeBron's career stats (longevity) doesn't equate to him being better than Jordan. It just means he was in the league longer. Jordan's body of work was done in far less time (13yrs). LBJ is in his 18th year and still going.
LeBron James Dominant?: *Ask Tim Duncan, Dirk and Steph Curry. I believe they think differently Michael Jordan Dominant!!!: Ask everyone who played against JORDAN, specially in the FINALS, he never allowed HIMSELF to be outplayed specially in the Championships 🥇🎖️💍🏆🏅
I would believe in the 2007 title but not in 2013 and 2014 where the SPURS beat themselves in 2013 and came back to not just beat the Heat but embarrassed the Heat by beating them with Record breaking#'s
@@Threezus17 it’s like a girl and a boy racing, the boy will win so it’s a fact, but saying the girl lost Bec his a boy is not an excuses because it’s a fact
•that was the second straight year LeBron just flat out quit on his team •the year before that 2010 Celtics announcers said on tv " does LeBron even know hes in the playoffs? " •add to that 2018 Finals Warriors when LeBron quit before overtime even started and 2021 playoffs against Suns when LeBron quit on his team twice in same playoffs series •Game 5 walks off the court with 5 minutes to go in blowout •Game 6 when LeBron sits himself down in 4th quarter instead of leading his team to a comeback. he just gave up again and displayed poor sportsmanship by not shaking Suns hands. even Jordan shook Pistons hands and congratulated them the three years they eliminated him
All I'm saying is that the longer anyone plays the more stats they will have... and if Jordan played for 20+ years he'd own every single #1 Stat u could have... it took James much longer to get to the stats Jordan put up
The people who say rings don’t mean anything are mostly LBJ fans, it’s funny bc they say that when he’s compared to MJ but they love to bring rings up when LBJ is compared to Curry/KD/Bird/Kawhi etc basically they pick & choose what to acknowledge.
@@LilRick96 I was a professional sports man once, we can all say if this and if that I would have done this or won that so easily. But the truth is "if's" happen and the great ones over come them. If someone stands there and says LeBron would be 1 ring closer to Jordan if he didn't choke, then I could say, if jordan didn't play baseball he would have 8 championships and if Phil was not kicked out then 9 championships.....
I’m a Lebron fan & every argument for Lebron being the goat is pure emotion it’s never any facts that prove he’s the goat. Jordan has more accomplishments with less time played & less talented teammates. Lebron being the 2nd greatest player of all time isn’t a bad thing & as a huge Lebron fan I’m okay with that because most old heads didn’t expect him to even rank at #2.
I appreciate the honesty bro. Much respect. Even as a Jordan fan, I've always given LeBron major respect for being able to live up to pretty much all of the hype that surrounded him starting at the age of 17. He's the most hyped soon-to-be pro athlete I can think of in the last 30 years. The only person that comes close is Tiger Woods.
@@productivecitizen2066 He wasn't favored against the Lakers, and I believe he wasn't favored the 2nd time against the Jazz either. There's a possibility(though I don't know for sure) that the Suns might have been slight favorites as well simply because winning 3 in a row was thought to be insanely difficult. Also assuming he was favored in all 6 championship appearances(which he wasn't, but for the sake of argument we'll pretend he was), winning it all everytime you're expected to is adversity in and of itself due to the insane amount of pressure that mounts with every Finals appearance. Then there's even winning that 3rd to cap off a 3peat which also bring adversity as 100% of the pressure is on you. Against the Suns, Jordan and the Bulls faced adversity because of how good Phoenix was. Jordan carried them with his 41ppg average, and they would've lost that series had he not averaged that much.
Wilt Chamberlain. Only quintuple-double in NBA history. March 1968 -- 53 points, 32 rebounds, 14 assists, 24 blocks, 11 steals. His 100-point game. Averaged over 50 pts and 48 mins a game, for a season. 271 40-point games in his career, like a hundred more than the next player, MJ. Wilt's numbers are so ridiculously above anyone that ever played that I think people can't even wrap their heads around it. There are also naturally expected factors like recency bias and the fact that many never saw Wilt play. But the man was ridiculous -- one of the top athletes last century. College track. Harlem Globetrotters. Still owns like 60 or 70 NBA records. Had rule change after rule change to try to diminish his dominance. Hall of fame volleyball player. Wilt was an absolute beast.
@@rusted8157 I think gen z is pro-jordan. They're more cool with their gen x parents, compared to millenials and their 'toxic' relationship with their boomer parents previously lol
Exactly. Being top 5 even possibly top 2 is incredible. The thing that makes mj untouchable is that no matter what happened in the court, no one ever doubted who the best player on that court was regardless of who was on it. You didnt need a stat sheet to see who was the best. I believe that lebron is actually tainting his image because he seems to be playing for a stat sheet. And that isnt always whats best for the team .
bron not 2nd or 3rd not even top 5 OF ALL TIME... idk what type of shit mfs smokin on to even believe bron is anything more then average in this weak era... great players dont move team to team great players dont walk out on their team... bron is average.
People talk about how LeBron is a better passer (that's even debateable), but Jordan didn't need to pass the ball. Something Lebron cant do is take the last shot. He wont do it. He has made a career of passing the ball on the biggest posessions in games just to make the "smart play". If your the goat like he says he is then he shouldn't be passing the ball, he should be taking the last shot. Best player on the floor who has the best oppurtunity to make a basket shoots the ball no questions asked.
@@elsamurai1220 LeBron is a better passer - this is not debatable. Higher total and averages. Check out Thinking Basketball's breakdown of MJs game - they went through the footage and evaluated his playmaking. The best playmakers (e.g. Magic) make about 90% of possible passes for easy scoring opportunities, Jordan was hovering around 60%. I'd wager my left nut LeBron would be much higher than 60%, if not closer to 90%. It's natural to put Jordan ahead when it comes to 'clutchess', but depending on how you define it, LeBron actually comes out on top. The best basketball play on offense is the one that gives the best scoring opportunity. If you think the best scorers should always shoot against a double team, rather than pass to a marksman for an open corner three, then you don't understand basketball.
@@kclim Lebron has the most turnovers in NBA history. Try again. Like I said before. Jordan didn't need to pass. Lebron does. 6-0. Jordan Is the Goat. There's a lot of players in the 90s that are in the HoF but you never hear about them. The only reason you don't hear about them as much as compared to other players from other eras is because they ran into Michael Jordan. Jordan shut them all down and ruled the 90s. Lebron has to keep jumping ship and create superteams just to even have a hope of winning a championship. Maybe if Lebron would take the last shot in crucial games instead of passing the ball he'd have a few more championships. And if you think passing out of a double team for an open three is the smart basketball play everytime then you don't understand basketball. The best 3pt shooters in the NBA can only make that shot 33% of the time. So at best it's a 1 in 3 chance of going in. I'd rather take an open layup or dunk everytime. The smart play is to pass it to whoever has the best chance of making the highest percentage shot.
@@AmargaVida Bird didn't need to. The Bulls couldn't get out of the East until Jordan's eighth year in the league when he got his first title in '91. By then, he had blossomed into the best player the NBA has ever seen despite his foray into MLB. Plus, Bird would've rather died than leave the Celtics. Much less to join the Lakers and Magic, who were the biggest team and personal rivalry for the Celtics and Bird. And what does KD's ring chasing have anything to do with this particular argument? One could argue the same thing when LeBron left the Cavs for the Heat. Lol, Hell I grew up with posters of Dr J, Bird, Magic, Moses Malone, and George Gervin on my wall. I never did like, or root, for the Bulls. Even against the Pistons, where the "Jordan Rules" originated. But, I gotta give Jordan the nod over LeBron simply because he was the more well rounded player...and had to "work" harder for what he got, rather than relying so much on his physical prowess (which was pretty STOOPID in it's own right). Plus, Jordan played at a time when the game was wholly different. I think that's where the Jordan/LeBron thing becomes skewed. Is LeBron a generational talent? Yup. Elite scorer, passer, and defender? Yup (but, that last one is debatable...Jordan never had to be pushed in the back by a teammate to "D" somebody up). Can both put their team on their shoulders and carry em to a win? Yup. Could LeBron have played when the game was different? Absolutely. But, we'll never know because it just didn't work out that way. We all can "what if" ourselves to death over that one. For instance, "what if" Jordan hadn't tried pro baseball and remained in the league at a time when arguably, he was at his peak? A couple more titles, scoring, and defensive players of the year? We'll never know. But, what that DOES say is that Jordan is light years ahead of LeBron in their inner-competitivness. I'm old enough personally to have seen all of these athletes blossom into what they became. Agree or not, we all have our own opinions, and that's ok. Apologies for the ratchet-jawing...(but, I will throw out there that the BADDEST athlete that I've EVER personally laid eyes on is, and always will be, Bo Jackson. If only he hadn't blown his hip out...He had already put the Brian Bozworth check mark under his belt, and was fixin to add a bunch more...But, "what if?") Appreciate your reply and takin the time to do so.
AmargaVida, I never said that LeBron was "inferior." In fact, I said just the opposite. I also never insulted you by using the words "nonsense," or "dumb" in any retort to your commentary. Those are YOUR words. Plus, I thanked you for making a reply, and taking the time to do so. I'm also sorry that your illiteracy prevents you from knowing how to read. Oh well...there's always "Hooked on Phonics." From what I understand, it actually works...even for "nonsensical, inferior, dumb," and incredibly rude individuals such as yourself. I'll own up to using the word "rude." The rest is on you.
People keep bringing up Lebron being higher on the scoring ladder. But not many of these same people mention That Lebron only has one scoring title to Jordan’s 10.
@@dynamic6645 that still doesn`t prove that he was a scorer only lmao bronsexual. MJ averaged 33.3 PPG in the playoffs 5.6 Assists 6.4 rebounds 2.1 steals 0.8 blocks while shooting much better efficently then Pippen In the finals Jordan averaged 33.6 PPG 6.0 assists 6.6 rebounds 1.8 steals again he shot much better then Pippen when u look at their shooting spilts Pippen in the playoffs in his career avergaed 17 PPg 5.2 assists 7.6 rebounds 1.9 steals. him and jordan are close on45/30/70 shooting spilts. I thought u said pippen lead his team in every caterogy other then scoring ? but their averages don`t show that. jordan has had playoff runs where he lead the team in 4/5 and with elite defense
Certainly and since they were winning it twice, the third time they must have got up against rosters that were tailored against the bulls so the third one is always the hardest even more so than being an underdog. Even bad coaches can mold a bad team into that team that can dethrone the elite as they'd have more tape on what's happening.
@@Sf75178 I laugh when LeBron fans try to use the eye test as their penultimate measure. They're so totally clueless and don't even realize that 100% of the people that pick Jordan have him winning the eye test as it's extremely subjective.
Perkins is still talking shit about Lebron with the all-time scoring record , but still doesn't equivocate the fact that Jordan played 8 less seasons with STILL a better PPG average sure, points are important, but MJ was SO much more than that! Jordan led the same team with a few new faces here and there but NEVER left a team to FIND new faces to WIN with
@vStaySheisty yes his stats better because of longevity and a weaker side the east was weak how many rings you think lebron would’ve if he were on the strong 💪 west how many and be honest ? lol 😂
@vStaySheisty yeah but you talking about and weak era and a weak east not the wild Wild West with Duncan and Kobe them and all those dirt and I can keep naming that don’t prove nothing but u in a weak division like nfc east a prime example
@vStaySheisty if lebron was on the west he would had to go through to many heavy hitters that’s facts the east had old players who bout to retire when lebron hit his peak
Can you add MVP level players to Giannis Antetokounmpo - Leonard, Westbrook, Luka, Tatum, Jokic, Embiid and let's see if they can easily win a championship just like the Heat+Lebron and GSW+KD
Imagine for one minute, you are about to play a basketball game "for your life"... You lose, you die. Who do you want on your team? A guy who is 6-0 in the Finals, or a a guy who may pass it to you (when you are scared for your life) or a guy who will choke in the last few minutes of the game? This gives you a clear answer on who is the G.O.A.T., and it is not LeBron (if you haven't figured it out by now...).
If I Were in a life and Death Game, I'd Pick MJ Definitely. Why ? Simple ,As Pat Riley Once Said : MJ Never Took a Game Lazily, He Played Like Every Game Mattered and Because His Legacy was Always on the Line.
If I had to chose a guy to take the shot to win the game I’d pick mj, if I had to chose a guy to take the shot to save my life I’d pick Bird- Pat Riley
What make Jordan great, was his defensive style and ability to score with a killer mind set. He will break careers best players and teams. What Jordan did in 13 yes and left the NBA game about 2 years. And reclaim the best of the best players in the NBA. The goat was written for Jordan before he played in the NBA. I like LeBron, he been in the NBA almost 20 years. But ask yourself the question LeBron played with many stars players and teams. Mike stayed with one team and star player Scottie Pipen.
Yes Lebron won't stand a beat like Jordan did .Lebron gets touch or bumps and he creates a theatrical move all over the floor and always demanding from the officials to protect him.when he purposely hit that one player 2weeks ago and busted his eyebrow and got suspended one game . Way to much with The king .self proclaimed The greatest when Jordan says his not the Goat the ones before him are the Goats
when Jordan played it was basketbrawl. The game tolerated a lot more physical play. If it was played the same way today Lebron would fold like a house of cards. He would be taken out of his game mentally and emotionally and be whining to the refs. Jordan elevated his game and attacked the rim, not the refs.
MJ had handchecks and rim protectors in his way in a WAYYYY more physical league. We can end it with the fact MJ won DPOY, MVP, Finals MVP, and NBA Champ in the same year.
@@gboyz7968 lebron is having a losing record against the west with three different teams he lost to and get swept twice and half of the times he won. It was in shortened seasons.
@@cudackedees3327 Bro he's been carrying his damn team with an average of 30 points per game its not are fault we got Westbrick and these other guys that can't really shoot
Jordan has played with less help (2 HOF) in has career in a more difficult era (actually played defense) with a better resume in 13 years than bron. Bron has or will have played with Wade, Bosh, Allen, Davis. Irving, Love (6 HOF) not including Rondo, Howard, O'Neal
Lebron fans will come up with a million excuses to try to justify Lebron’s shortcomings. They always try to discredit MJ by saying “he had Pippen and Rodman,” “he was on a super team,” etc. Lebron has had numerous different all star teammates throughout his career, and yet he still choked and underperforms on several occasions. The 2011 finals is a perfect example, lol
@@izuokoko1896 LOL how..pippen and Rodman thats it...he only had one other teammate that made Allstar in his career (Horace Grant) ..lebron has had more Allstars on one team lol...Go back to summer camp kid 😆
@@izuokoko1896 Yeah just Pippen on the first 3 rings then Pippen, Kukoc & rodman on the 2nd 3 peat that's about it. LBJ Superteam on more than 1 occasion. More Help Seriously?
Mj got better in the big games at 29 in the finals he averaged 41.0 PPG it was his peak no one has done that Against Portland he became a 3 point shooter in a finals game to take over the series Against Utah he played with 104 temp dominated Took over at the end of a finals again against Utah to win again Did it all against the Lakers in his first nba finals He was the best on both sides and on big game. he got better I have not seen A player like him with that consistency If you ate not consistently great in the big games you are not great just a good player mj was consistently great in big games
Aside from stats, the difference between LeBron and MJ is that MJ has charisma, there's something special almost godly about MJ, LeBron doesn't have that
I'm gonna bring up something I never heard anyone talk about. Sharing it here and you can pass it along with you. Jordan always did the impossible, Lebron just had physical advantage.
In a league dominated by small ball 🏀. He bigger stronger and more agile. Not to many big men clogging up the lane. So he just lays it up all day🤷🏾♂️ he big as Karl Malone
Go watch Jordan's official NBA mixtape. Pay attention to the paint and how centers contest every shot. Not afraid to get dunked on. Then go watch LeBron highlights and watch the centers part like the red sea.
@@John6-40 exactly, which is why Lebron has physical advantage over MJ vs Jordan actually doing contested layups on 3 defenders. Lebron is good at what he does but Jordan did things that seemed impossible to do. It was like watching a magician on the court.
@@travisstrickland7270 the difference between Lebron's career is that he developed certain aspects in his game thru time like his shooting meanwhile other things like being dominant in the paint left. Mj developed a decent 3 point shot meanwhile having non of his in game aspects leave. Jordan developed his 3 pointer and kept his dunking and middie
its more indicative how _dominant_ a Finals player is with how many wins/loss has. the bigger the win/loss differential the more effective they are TOTAL FINALS GAMES WON/LOSS CAREER Jordan : *24-11* Kobe : *22-15* Duncan : *23-12* LeBron : *20-35*
@@panookalofyris6648 no but to be fair their squads were already stacked...magic came into the league with Kareem, worthy and the rest of the showtime lakers...bird had his Dom squad as well...jordan ain’t have nobody when they were beating him
@@MrSPIDEY21 Worthy came in 2 years after Magic got there, but yeah they were pretty stacked when he got there. Bird was drafted by a team that only won 21 games then lead them to 60 wins his rookie year, and without McHale and Parrish.
What MJ has delivered and the Bulls was 2 3peats delivering under pressure with less superstars help required when basketball was more physical compared to todays game. Also, never saw MJ and Kobe flopped or melt.
Why is this even a debate? For clicks? DangerProduction on RU-vid already made a video -- "Jordan vs Lebron - The Best GOAT Comparison" ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tl3mR6eoEa8.html ) -- that literally made all the Lebron fans shut up.
Jordan had a better supporting cast year in and year out, and he had one of the greatest coaches he's ever. Pippen, Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman, half a dozen guys that could hit a 3 at any time,etc. If other older fans were truly objective, Lebron would be everyone's pick for the best of all time.
