The Director is one of my favorite Antagonists of all time honestly... he wasn't this huge ultimate evil, just a broken man trying to get back something he wanted more than anything in the world, only for the attempt to fail and watching as the consequences tear it apart completely. it's almost jarring, after all that happened to the freelnacers and the blood gulch crew, it was no great alien artifact, super advanced AI, or even a soldier, just a sad old man...
I also think - the same way he remembers that allison dies, and so tex was always set to fail at the very end, there's no way for her not to fail her last task, church does too. Since ai is based on a person and alpha was based on the director, he always remembers never getting her in the end. He loses Allison and that is also embedded in church. To always lose tex in the end. He would never get a happy ending either. Which is always why tex would disappear in the chronicles. She always goes away. Which is why her ship blows up in space, she failed and in turn, church loses texas. When epsilon returns and brings texas back, she decides to leave to figure her purpose out but he tags along in fear of losing her as that is embedded in him too. When wash and meta chase church and tex and tex loses to the meta, church loses texas. When he goes into the unit he cant find her and when he does, he finally lets her go. He may have broken the cycle for her, but in the end, He's always destined to lose her. Always. Sure that's maybe not how it was originally set up (at least for the chronicles until they formed a story) but it all worked out exactly and perfectly around the story in the end. Which is such amazing writing and just so heart breaking.
The Director is a tortured man trying to get his mistakes right, no matter the cost. Here, at the end, he realises he's missed the point and has become a monster. So, he decides to off himself in a tragic sense of atonement. Then there's the Chairman. Amoral, greedy, and doesn't even go out gracefully: intends to bring everyone down with him.
This is why I love Red vs Blue. They give you a reason to sympathize with even the worst of villains. Not only did I learn the Director's true intentions with this scene, but I learned why, and on top of that, learned how it would feel if I were in his shoes. Ultimately, he never wanted to hurt anyone. He never wanted anyone to die or to even get in trouble with the law. He just wanted the one he truly loved back. Like a child missing a lost blanket, and that's what made me tear up this entire scene. I don't cry easily, but damn it. I'm tearing up just listening to this track. What if it were you in his shoes? What would you have done if you knew you had a chance to bring a lost loved one back...?
If I were in the Director's shoes. I'd do the same thing. I'd manipulate other people and give them the impression what they're doing is right when it's all actually for my selfish desires. The Director is seriously the coolest Antagonist. Well, him and Locus.
I would just move on even if the director succeeded he wouldn't have allison back it would've just been a copy an ai emulating her like epsilon is doing to look like alpha church
TheValkyrieGamer Well, that's the thing, the Director had Tex, an AI based upon his memory of her. Just look at everything that happened after he did get Tex. You're right, he didn't have her back, he still wasn't satisfied, he never would be.
+xSurvivor7x Honestly the connection I had with him during season 6 just grew and then finally he died here, and I was so upset. I loved his character so much....
+xSurvivor7x Until you realize that he ostracized his own daughter and used like a... freaking lab rat. If it weren't for that one fact, I could empathize with him and say I'd probably go down the same road.
Definitely one of the most heart wrenching moments, not merely in Red vs Blue, but in movies and shows. This scene serves to show that there really weren't any villains in the show up to this point, but rather victims. Whether it was the Meta or Wash or Omega or Sigma or Gamma or Wyoming or even the Director himself. They all did terrible things, but not because they were evil, but rather because they were partially broken. It really goes with the theme of the show: there are no saints or sinners, but instead a mesh of both, red vs. blue.
Kyle Eaton Quoth the wiki, "However, he knows of the crimes the faction was committing and was willing to torture Alpha to create more A.I." Also he kinda suggested blowing up the state of Florida just to provide Agent Florida with a cover story. That's pretty messed up.
Delta: He was brilliant... Theta: And we trusted him! Gamma: But he lied to us. He twisted and... Omega: ...tortured us, and used us! Manipulated us... Sigma: ...for his own purposes, and for what? For this? This... SHADOW!? Epsilon: He needs to pay.
Logic Trust Deciet Rage Ambition Memory That's one of my favorite scenes in the entire series. Well, I mean, the entire Carolina-Director scene was already one of my favorites, but that part especially.
I would say he's completely inoccent at this point. He was extremely depressed and didn't get help for it, So he made bad decisions. There was no project freelancer to begin with. It was all just to save Allison...may God be with him...
Nicholas Abbott Completely innocent? Just because we see him now as a sad, broken husk with nothing left, he is no less culpable for his previous actions, and it's almost entirely his fault he ended up like this.
@@ImRobin07 Washington gave Carolina his pistol in True Colors, and Carolina proceeded to give that pistol to the Director, since it's still the weapon he killed himself with, Hargrove took it.
While everyone else has been pointing out the tragedy of Carolina, the Director's daughter, here's something else to think about. The original Church was Alpha, the remnants of the AI based on the Director himself. But Alpha is gone. The Church we know here is Epsilon, remembering and recreating Alpha. And actually, beyond that, it's all of the remaining AI meshed in with Epsilon. The Church we see by this point in the series is the attempted recreation of a memory of the shadow of a memory of a broken man. And we (rightfully) still see Epsilon as more human than the Director.
Except now there IS no more Epsilon now... he deconstructed and fragmented himself and his memories as well as those of the other AI to save everyone... "Ain't that a bitch?"
All the more painful when you see a father asking his daughter to let him die in front of the memory of his wife. In the end he was... pitiful. No one wants to lose someone. Especially not too early. But all he left behind was a wake of broken lives, fragments of a shattered soul and nothing to show for it but regret.
Having compassion is far from weakness. What Carolina did shows that sometimes you have to rise higher than your hatred and let it go. Had she killed the Director, what would have it really accomplished? A weakened old man's death would not have put an end to her pursuit to vindicate what happened to not only her, but her teammates as well.
shark30005 Probably Sigma would technically fall under that category. He dragged Maine in with him, so yeah, there were some evil characters. The Director's methods also were very questionable also. They weren't purposely evil but borderline evil. He had good intentions, but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. In the end, I wish that the Director could have realized, like Epsilon did, that sometimes you have to let go. It might be painful but sometimes it is the best thing you can do so that you can move on with life.
The Dragonborne I would agree, if not for one problem. He had Carolina. But despite this, he let his grief, his depression, destroy him. He forgot about his own daughter. And when he remembered her, he didn't realize what he still had, but believed he saw opportunity to bring her back. He used her like a lab rat, along with everyone else she has ever been close to. I will agree, some people can't "move on." It's never that simple. Never. But if you let it control you, & drag you down to the point you start hurting others, or affecting their lives, that's not acceptable.
So let's play a drinking game. Take a drink every single time Red vs Blue Season 10 makes you want to cry: Episode 10: Death of Connie Episode 12: Church: *plays logs of York hoping to see Carolina again and never being able to* Carolina: Why did you show me that? Church: Because.........I know what it's like, to spend your life chasing ghosts. Episode 15: "Alison!", and Carolina suffering while the Director does nothing (especially if you've seen the ending and know the twist already) Episode 16: Tex worrying about Carolina, who hasn't woken up, Church being tortured. Episode 17: Carolina pulling out "Tex's" dog tags (again, especially if you know the twist), Church, Wash, and Tex, all being exposed to the horrific truth of PFL at once. Episode 18: "YOU'RE MY PROBLEM, YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN MY PROBLEM! EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU IS JUST A PROBLEM THAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS!!!" Episode 19: "Maybe, but you can't trust me", seeing Church broken, Tex failing to save Carolina Episode 20: Doc: See? In the end, we all worked together, and everyone got what they wanted. Caboose: Not everyone..... Episode 21: "She was right, I can't do this. I can't beat her. I could never beat her." "There's only one Tex. And Church, nobody knows her like you." Church: Goodbye Tex: Weird, I don't know why but I hate goodbyes. Church: I know why.......*sigh*.......goodbye. Episode 22: Literally this entire scene
Jacktheinfinite101 Also episode 19: Maine seeming to show just a little grief after throwing Carolina off the cliff. And knowing Maine that's a enough to make you cry, especially how he and Carolina seemed to care so much for each other
Zealot555 vue It made it a lot more emotional to watch "all" the AIs say that, not just Church/Epsilon. I actually never pictured Delta or Theta in such a saddened rage until this scene.
Xanthos That didn't feel like the others though. I know they appear in later seasons, but here they didn't have the voices or even the right looks, it was just Church using their color and the filtering effect of their voice. So it felt, to me anyway, less like them talking, and more Church taking on their appearances to illustrate how the Director exhibits all of these traits, or how he manipulates these traits in him. And in this way it feels more emotional to me because it's not 8 people raging against him, it's the one person they all were, The Alpha, the director's creation and son who felt destroyed by him, who is raging against him.
He was brilliant.....And we trusted him. But he lied to us. He twisted......And tortured us, and used us! Manipulated us for his own purposes, and for what? For this? This...Shadow?!
No. Cause holding to something would destroy not just me, but to anyone. I would move on and cherish what the folks in my life and that's enough to make one person whole.
Amazing how we knew the Director's story from the very beginning with the song "A Girl Named Tex" ....."I gotta go, but now you know I want a song to live for long. It's fair request." "Don't say goodbye." "Texas made it out I heard, but her one need I did heed. I think of Beth while mocking death. Like a mocking bird." It was like this from the beginning. So sad. :'(
I guess I´m just like Leonard Church when it comes to this, I keep replay this song over and over again. It just......I can´t explain it in words. But it reminds me of someone saying goodbye, like Tex and Church. I feel so bad that the real Church ( A.I. Church) who died back in season 6. Now, there´s just Epsilon. No more Tex, she is dead too. I wish Church just could have said those three words to her. And she would understand. Man....I feel so emotional.....Can´t explain. Jeff Williams know how to create good music that makes me feel so depressed every time. I´m watching Naruto, Soul Eater and other anime and series. But none of them can compare to this...this....this is reality....so fucking reality. Sorry if I doesn´t make any sense, but if this series will end.....I´m probably gonna cry a lot of tears ♥ Church, Tex, The director...everyone ♥ You will be remembered ♥
A family broken by betrayal, jealousy and hate... Failed attempts at love, forever lasting pain and agony that is not to be forgiven... Project freelancer, a story of tragedy that lies behind a beautiful song like this. Only those who watched Red vs Blue would feel the true emotion brought by this song. Truly one of the best on the album!
"I thought we came all this way to KILL him!" "Church...remember what you learned? Inside the Memory Unit? You have to let go. Your past doesn't define who you are; just gives you the starting point for who you're going to be."
Delta: he was brilliant... Theta: ...and we trusted him. Gamma: but he lied to us. he twisted... Omega: ...and tortured us, and used us! Sigma: manipulated us for his own purposes, and for what? for this? this...shadow?!
I noticed each AI Fragment's sentence relates to its attribute. "He was brilliant" A logical statement from Delta, Logic. "And we trusted him!" Theta, Trust, places trust in others. "But he lied to us." Lying, a manner of deceit, said by Gamma, Deceit. "He twisted, and tortured us, and used us!" Pure anger from Omega, Rage. "Manipulated us for his own purposes, and for what?" Manipulation is often used by the ambitious, such as Sigma, Ambition.
*Lie down* *Try not to cry* *Cry a lot* Jeff Williams does such a masterful job at making his songs permanently associated with these heartbreaking scenes, that I often find myself doing this three step process just through the song itself.
"Did you find what you were looking for...?" "No. No, I did not. But I believe I might have come very close. I wish... I wish I knew." Not going to lie; cried at the pure onslaught of emotion here. Holy shit... Especially with Epsilon's speech he gives as he cycles through the other AI's..
"Carolina, would you be so kind..as to leave me your pistol" "yes sir." hits different when you realize hes her dad, snd tex was her mom (or an ai recreation of her)
Epsilon (With memories of the AI): He was brilliant, and we trusted him! But he lied to us! He twisted and tortured us, and used us! Manipulated us for his own purposes! Only for what?! For this?! This...Shadow?!
“He was brilliant! And we trusted him! But he Lied to us! HE TWISTED AND TORTURED US! AND USED US, MANIPULATED US FOR HIS OWN PURPOSES AND FOR WHAT? FOR THIS… SHADOW? He needs to pay.” I always loved this quote and seeing the frustration he felt in that moment when the director had done enough, that and when church yelled at everyone are my favorite monologues because he showed his true anger and frustration, rip Epsilon(Church)
It's because its the falling towards the sky song which was played as an epic action song with the original whole crew of the freelancers working together to acomplish something. But now its slowed down and done in a more sad way (minor key) it is used to show how broken the entirety of the freelancers had become. Such as how Wash doesn't even want to face the dirctor but Carolina wants to. The objectives of the freelancers are now separate and fractured from one another. The notes are only a fractured piece of the song much in the same way epsilon is only a fractured piece of the alpha and that Wash and Carolina were the only remaining fractured pieces of the original freelancers at the time.
"He was brilliant..." "And we trusted him!" "He lied to us-He twisted and" "Tortured us! and used us!" "Manipulated us for his own purposes and for what? This shadow?" "He needs to pay."
This is the most depressing scene I've ever seen. This scene shows me that even a series that is there just to entertain, over time. Can turn into a fleshed out and depressing story. Good work Rooster Teeth, and thanks RT4Copyright for making this video
I... RoosterTeeth, everything you did, up to this point...It literally made my emotions implode on themselves. You made one of the best season-ending shockers of all time. If this show could, it'd be showered in awards. I have shed tears... You have created one of the best series of all time. You made what was once a comedy machinema, and evolved it into something that was not only serious IT WORKED. Don't stop making perfection.
This scene caused me to figure out something about the director. Not so much being the villain, or the blindly devoted to a lost cause, or even the tragic figure. But the fact that he was actually very similar to the very AI he made. Not just for the fact that he was the mind it was based on, but in the fact that he is made even more similar to Alpha in what happens to him. Because, in a way, what he did to the Alpha mirrored what happened to he himself, with the loss of the one he cared most about, the torture of his question "Could he have saved her?" then the thought that he could bring her back, which made himself fragment after a fashion, losing almost everything else except that one fragment (memory), which might have been part of why he couldn't face Epsilon for long... as Epsilon's state mirrored his own, the difference being he knowingly inflicted it on Epsilon...
"You were my greatest creation." The moment I realized that the Director was talking about Carolina and not Epsilon, I think my heart broke in two and sank to the bottom of my chest.
might I also note Jack, that this is the first (and ONLY time) Our Church referred to Tex as a 'Shadow' "For This?...This Shadow?!?" it directly contradicts his line in Season 8. Wash: "She's just a Shadow" Church: "Don't call her that."
The Director is Carolinas father. Thats why he said "you were my greatest creation", and then told Epsilon "I wasn't speaking to you". He was talking about Carolina
"Church, remember what you learned in the memory unit? You need to let go. Your past doesn't define who you are. It just gives you the starting point for who you're going to be." Just thinking about this scene makes me tear up.
I believe all those Tex Robots came from the Director. When he was cloning the A.I. from his own mind, he found a piece of himself devoted entirely to Allison. That's why he could never make a complete unkillable copy as his last memory of her was her dying and failing to return not to mention she was based on how he perceived her, not who she really was. But every copy after than just degraded over time as his memory of her slowly began to fade and his obsession to bring her back consumed him.
Remembrance, Hate, Resent, Pity, Acceptance, Forgiveness...All in thirty seconds....I don't think I've ever seen anyone ever pull that off, ever...Just goes to show how far these guys have come...From making a Web Comedy series, to a web comedy series that can seriously tug at your heart... Thank you guys, may you continue to amaze and evolve...
I'm simply not afraid of sometimes accepting our true inner nature. Rather than trying to run away from it or act like it can be removed, I embrace it when I need to or want to. In a way, you're commanded by your urges too. Your urge to be forgiving is something that drives you to act the way you do. We're all driven by urges, even if they're not ones that are instinct-based.
Well imagine how Carolina felt when she saw the 100 Tex army: She'd been presumed dead for years, and yet the director didn't try to bring her back once, but made over 100 attempts to get Alison back. Knowing that, it makes me sad when I hear her say "She was right, I can't do this, I can't beat her. I could never beat her." And then there's Church, who he gave even less of a damn about. He didn't even look at him once in the confrontation, after all he did to him.
"You were my greatest creation...." "I don't know what I am...But I know this...I'm not just a copy of you...I'm better than you..." "....I wasn't talking...to you..."
I think this season had more closure than season 8. The only closure in that season is they finally stop the Meta, here much bigger issues are closed: the Director is dealt with, Church FINALLY manages to say goodbye to Tex (the answer to his problems all along), Carolina learns to let go of issues that she keeps holding on to and even reminds keeps Church from forgetting that very lesson he taught. Like in Season 8, I didn't think the story could end there, here, it definitely could.
Once she looked her father in the eyes, her hate turned into sadness. She loves him too much to hate him for his actions, but she can't forgive him for them either, she can just forget and let go, like Church taught her to. They did come there to kill him, but after seeing what he became, I think she realized he died a long time ago.
A nice theory, but you misunderstand. She says "This is a sealed facility" before adding that Life Support will go offline. What Phillis means is, if she turns off all systems, the facility's life support will shut down as well, and because the base is "sealed", it has no access to outside air or temperature, hence the need for artificial life support. She's warning him that if the base shuts down, he will die, and he's saying to do it anyway, because he has just given up on everything.
To be fair, Wyoming had the grenade and tossed it to Maine. But I guess you're right, though remember how he just left Carolina there to suffer. That was the hardest part for me to believe about the twist of them being father and daughter. I still can't believe he left her like that.
What's weird is that he gave them ammo, and promoted them on the leader board for it, but when Carolina was about to go up against Tex, he freaked out, which caused everyone with an A.I. to freak out. I mean, I get that Carolina's better than those other agents, but 3 on 1 with two of them armed is still pretty tough odds. Though he did also give her the strongest fragment (Omega) and gave her special equipment on missions (the motorcycle and rocket launcher).
No what I mean is there are only two Church's, the Director and the Alpha. The other fragments, though part of Church, are his other personalities. Normally A.I. fragments are all one person (see Halo 4) just in multiple places at once, but still one mind, Church was specifically tortured to make the other fragments different individuals, but this didn't work on the last one and the final fragment wound up not carrying a new personality, so it remained the Alpha like a normal fragment would.
That's my point, it's easier to follow through with a grudge. It's actually more difficult to let go, as you yourself said, and it's very commendable to those who can. Try learning from Carolina's strength. It's not about whether or not it'll end badly for you, it's about if revenge is the right thing. There's a fine line between justice and vengeance.
keep in mind though she did give him the gun, so while she didnt do it herself, she gave him mercy, the option of living on, to perhaps better himself, or just to end it all, and the way she went about it gave him the choice, making her no longer responsible for what he does behind the closed door of his lonely tomb, the lesson here is simple, you let vengence and greed controll you're every motivation, and you dont let go of the past (be it the good or bad) it has the potential to swallow you
"Think"? I doubt there's any ambiguity about this. It's fact. 1. The eyes. 2. "You were my greatest creation". 3. DIaloguge from Carolina, saying her Mother wasn't around much when she was young, the "never say goodbye" part, and "Had terrible taste in men though." I think the writers wanted to reveal this in a way that it could be subtle, not beating us over the head with it, and they pulled it off nicely.
"It's not who you are underneath, but what you do, that defines you." The director is a monster for what he did, not the person he is underneath. Underneath he's just a broken man who could never get over the death of his love, but he is a monster because of what he did. The director and the A.I. Church are the same underneath, but our Church didn't do the things the director did, hence why he is a better person. The same applies to Carolina.
Did you notice while Epsilon was flashing through the other A.I.'s they corresponded to what he was saying? Delta: Logic "He was brilliant" Theta: Trust "and we trusted him" Gamma: Deceit "but he lied to us" Omega: Anger "he twisted and tortured us" Sigma: Creativity: "and used us, manipulated us for his own purposes, and for what? This shadow?."
As much of a Sociopath that I am, I'd never wish the kind of despair that Dr. Leonard Church went through on ANYONE. That kind of despair is maddening and bottomless. It's the deepest pit of Hell and all that is left are endless rivers of tears. Treasure the small moments, they tend to add up quickly.
I'd do both. "Even with so much bad blood between us, it's funny. Now that I'm actually face to face with him again, the hatred is gone, all I feel is a deep sense of longing, and pity."
This arc was so splendidly written. After rewatching this scene i always realise some new additional information I didnt before, aside from how broken the director is which is a separate topic, i also think - the same way in the show's logic, he remembers that allison dies, tex was always set to fail at the very end, there's no way for her not to fail her last task, church does too. Since ai is based on a person and alpha was based on the director, he always remembers never getting her in the end. He loses Allison and that is also embedded in church. To always lose tex in the end. He would never get a happy ending either. Which is always why tex would disappear in the chronicles. She always goes away. Which is why her ship blows up in space, she fails her last mission... and in turn, church loses texas. When epsilon returns and brings texas back, because he cannot let her go, she decides to leave and figure out her purpose, but he tags along in fear of losing her as that is embedded in him too. When wash and meta chase church and tex and tex loses to the meta, church loses texas, yet again. When he goes into the unit he can't find her and when he does, he finally lets her go. He may have broken the cycle for her, but in the end, He's always destined to lose her. Always. Sure that's maybe not how it was originally set up (at least for the chronicles until they formed a story) but it all worked out exactly and perfectly around the story in the end. Which is such amazing writing and just so heart breaking.
I still can't get over the fact that Carolina was the Director's daughter... It makes so much sense now... The fact that he pushed her the most and the fact that she couldn't defeat Tex... Wow...
It also shows that she's weak. Tex may be cursed to fail in whatever she does, but she had the brass to do dark things when she needed to. Carolina spent the whole season prepared to kill the Director, and then when it comes time to do it, she can't do it. That's like getting ready to face your fears, but then, when you finally face them, instead of overcoming them, you falter. I wish Sarge had been there. He would've taken care of things.
You have to sympathise with the director though. He was a victim of himself. He lost someone who promised she'd be back, but she never came back. She always said, don't say goodbyes, because then it just seems like you're not there right now. It broke him. To the point, he went this far, to try bring her back.
1) He was still in love. We don't know all the memories that Alp. gave Eps. or when Eps. gave Alp. his memories back, if he took any in turn. 2) It was still as emotional depending on how you looked at it; a lot of people didn't distinguish Eps. from Alp. They just saw him as Church. 3) Would still happen because he is channeling Alp.'s being as his own. 4) Kinda don't understand that last bit.
Well at least he figured out one thing in the end: "You were my greatest creation." Better late than never. But yeah, even if this scene made me feel sorry for him, it doesn't change the fact that he's done horrible things, our Church stands as a proof that what he went through does not excuse his actions because our Church lived with the same burden but still figured it out. Hence why he has every right to say "I'm more than just a copy of you, I'm better than you."
Well then, that was one hell of a set up. And usualy a set up is not as good as the real thing, but this was the greatest story ever. Lets all raise our glasses to a nother 10 years of Red vs. Blue.
The director broke several laws: he made a clone of himself (to make our Church), that's illegal. He tortured our Church, I'm fairly certain that's illegal. He abused several pieces of military property for his own gain, and he assaulted military forces repeatedly using the assets loaned t him.
Hey I know we all like to talk about The Director, and Epsilon's speech, but are we really going to ignore the part about Carolina? took off her helmet, looked the man responsible for the BS in her life in his eyes, tried to force herself to hate him, but found she couldn't?
Um, yes Church can control people, he's done it countless times. Hell it's how he took care of the Tex bots (well he talked her down but still), he couldn't take over the director because he wasn't wearing the armor, but he could have easily hijacked a Tex bot in the other room and killed him, he choose not to kill him because of Carolina's words, which were a reminder of the lesson HE learned that made him above his creator to begin with.
Actually, it's more accurate to say Burnie never killed Alpha and only made it look like he did, like with Donut. If you pay VERY careful attention to the hints, you'll notice that Epsilon really is the Alpha. Burnie himself even said in the commentary that he's never identified the true relationship betwen A and E, preferring people to figure it out. Here's a video I made on the subject: watch?v=uMOZJ7JzxiA
So Epsilon is the Director as well as Alpha, but so are the other A.Is. They are pieces of a whole so they could formulate their own unique persona but Epsilon being memories and having no other experiences, would then act exactly as the Alpha did after he lost Epsilon/his memories as his memories were foggy as well when he came too and only had Caboose to tell him who he was. So they are the same, but not in the way you're thinking.
Having a change of heart right when you're about to finish your goal is the worst thing. Why couldn't someone have had the change of heart before they put all that effort into reaching their goal? But Carolina didn't, so now she may as well finish the job. She came all this way for nothing. Killing those guards at the base to get Church back, sneaking around, infiltrating, putting her teammates at risk, all for nothing.
Uh, looking at the comment you responded to, the original point of this debate was whether or not Carolina and Church should have killed him or not. In regards to him being evil or not, he definitely is, even if his circumstances are sympathetic, it doesn't excuse his actions. Our Church has all of the same circumstances as the director and yet he never committed such horrible actions. "It's not who you are underneath, but what you do that defines you."
I want to know more about Caboose to be fair. He's probably the most popular character, and he's totally different from everyone else ... I'm curious, man, he had 17 sisters. I want to know! xD
Try actually watching the video I linked. Church does identify Alpha as someone else in Season 9 saying he's not a copy of the director but a copy of a copy, but in this episode he also claims himself to be a copy of the director. The reason is simple. He didn't realize he was the Alpha until S10E17 when he got his memories back, at that point, all he knew was what Wash, Tex, and the director's journals had told him, but once he got his memories back he realized "oh yeah, I am that dick."
Epsilon: (In Delta form) "He was brilliant, (In Theta form) and we trusted him, (In Gamma form) but he lied to us, he twisted (In Omega form) and tortured, us, and used us! (In Sigma form) Manipulated us for his own purposes over what? for this? This, shadow? " *Turns back to normal Epsilon* "He needs to pay."
