Also Amy the story writer also said that the ariel that appears is suppose to be the Ariel from the present (SR1 time) that her soul was pulled back across time and space with those of the other balance guardians before her in order to bathe the reaver in spiritual energy
It's true: also because only Ariel from SR1 knows Raziel' name (in SR2 and Defiance she doesn't know his name). This is also the realization of one vision of SR1.
@Matty85uk Your forgetting the paradox. This is an all new timeline created when Kain pulled the reaver out of raziel in the end of soul reaver 2. Everyone's true destinies are being awakened. Now if they would only make a new game to wrap this up god damn Edios!
@@ivandovranic1001 It would be better to leave it to an independent group of fans make a follow-up to Defiance. They could easily make a more authentic LoK experience than EA...
Because that happens after Kain's choice does. When Raziel is still in the Avernus Cathedral, he sees Mortanius giving Kain his 'Come to me my undead son...' line, which happens immediately before he teleports to meet Kain at the pillars, whereupon he is killed, the Unspoken is defeated, and Ariel presents the choice. During that time, Raziel has to travel back to Vorador's mansion, raise Janos, defeat Janos, and find Ariel here.
Well, according to some sources, the Ariel that was imbued in the Reaver here is a future incarnation. She, they argue, had to meet Kain and also Raziel in the events narrated in the previous games for the Forge event to take place. It makes sense, since other incarnations of Kain and Raziel were present in the same period of time, in various occasions in the story, and it didn't seem to contradict or change their respective roles and choices. D.R.
The Ariel that was drawn to the spirit forge was most likely from the Soul Reaver era, otherwise how could she meet Raziel 100 years later or even in the Soul Reaver era? When the timestream reshuffles, it searches for the course of least resistance, yet admits only the slightest alteration. At least she is now free of her imprisonment.
The soul reaver was rebellious against Raziel in SR2, its use in battle detrimental to his health even. In order to clear passages and reach new areas, the blade had to be imbued with elemental properties from various forges created by the ancient vampires throughout the land. However; these forges were only temporary fixes for the sword, since you had to use elemental fonts to continuously switch between the different powers. The forges in Defiance are the crypts of the original Pillar guardians, their souls aligned with the elemental properties in which once the reaver is imbued, it's permanently augmented. The balance guardian is the fulcrum for all of the Pillars, so as opposed to just battling the original balance guardian, its spirit and descendants merged with the ghost of Ariel, the only uncorrupted being in Nosgoth, from the future and called her to that timeline.
with how abruptly those rocks fall at the end, it would have been an interesting way to end the series if Raziel just got crushed then fade to credits XD
He is still dead when he needs to be dead (when Kain has to make his decision), the BO2 events are much later. In the timeline created by Kain's actions at the end of SR2, Kain would revive Vorador after BO1 to make him his army of vampires (Kain being a fledgeling couldn't yet create other vampires), and Vorador would die again some time after that. It doesn't affect the timeline beyond that.
Ariel's final release is a powerful moment. She's been a constant presence in the series, only seen alive for bare seconds in the opening cinematic of Blood Omen before being murdered, and at all other times only appearing as a tormented, half-rotted ghost. Getting to see her restored to her true beauty as she comes to terms with both her fate and Kain's TRUE role as the Scion of Balance, the savior of Nosgoth and not just a sacrificial lamb, is a poignant end for the character as she accepts her destiny to be absorbed into the Reaver. It's also a foreshadowing of what Raziel himself has to do shortly after to fulfill her final words.
@Throrine Presumably because Kain isn't dead - Ariel says the forge summons the spirit of every Balance Guardian for this purpose, but Kain's spirit, theoretically, is still bound to his body.
The elder god wasn't destroyed here - he was just trying to stop Raziel from accessing the spirit forge, and when he realized he could not, he retreated through the floor. Raziel's weapon can't damage the elder god in the spectral realm - there it is just a wraith blade. In the physical realm, it can - Raziel had just never had the opportunity or inclination to try it before, or after.
The way I understood is that Ariel is already united with the other Guardians when she appears (possibly why she no longer has half of her face missing), she speaks for all of them and when Raziel touches her hand they are all drawn to the Reaver at once. But many things in the games, like on a good book, or a good painting, or a good song, are open to interpretation and doesn't necessarily mean it's an inconsistency.
I love how this foreshadowed in Soul Reaver 1 with the chronoplast visions. I remember seeing this and thinking it was a bunch of bullshit and that it would never happen.
oh yes, i found out that there is no inconsistency here. raziel had to fight all of the original vampire guardians in other forges, but in spirit forge, he simply touches ariel and all of the balance guardians are drawn towards the blade. thanks for replying BigUriel!
I'd just like to point out: Raziel just walked face forward into the biggest falling hunk of rock I've ever seen and acted like it was nothing. Mark of the Badass, anyone?
Actually, Matty has a point. Raziel faces Janos/Unspoken after the Reaver is endowed with Spirit, that is, after Ariel and the other Balance Guardians are summoned by the Forge and cleansed. So technically, Ariel shouldn't be at the Pillars to give Kain any choice. That is, I think, one of a few plot holes in this storyline. Anyhow, Kain is not simply a Balance Guardian, but the Scion of Balance. He is, nonetheless, summoned in the end to wield the Reaver. D.R.
kain and ariel are the balance guardians, ariel is old and kain is the new guardian...all old guardians of the pilars(humans) are the ones which souls were needed to purefy the reaver...
Kuzuri Kuroi the originals were the ancients. Jano's comrade's
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@Joudas However, that summoning would explain why Kain felt so 'conveniently' compelled to leave Avernus and fly directly to the Citadel in the instant he returned from the demon realm. And about Ariel, it is presumed that the Forge summoned a future "unveiled" Ariel, from a post SR1 era, since there had to be an Ariel for the rest of encounters with her throught history.
Blood Omen 2 is NOT part of the original timeline, it's part of the altered timeline created in the end of Soul Reaver 2 when Kain saves Raziel ("Behind Kain's eyes I could see new memories blooming and dying as History labored to reshuffle itself around this monumental obstruction").
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@MyselfAgain lol, He was also almost smashed by a giant rock back in SR2, leaving Janos' Aerie. Seems he just happens to like it.
well, one of the real inconsistencies in the game is here. if raziel had imbued the reaver with the souls of eight original vampire guardians before, how come now he is consuming the soul of ariel (she is a human) and not the original vampire balance guardian? she herself says that her soul is to be united with the souls of her predecessors. i mean, it doesn't make sense to consume ariel's soul and not the spectre of the original vampire balance guardian?
If ariel is meant to give kain that choice at the end of blood omen, to sacrifice himself or not. How is she there if she is absorbed into the spirit reaver, along with the souls of the other gaudiance, and thier predecessers, to creat the purified Soul Reaver, to later be joined with the Blood Reaver to creat the (complete) Soul Reaver.
oh, plz don't reply to the question below. i found the answer myself - that this forge summons the souls of ALL the balance guardians before kain, unlike the other forges - which were only guarded by original vampire guardian spectres. wat a fool am i to point out mistakes in this nearly flawless storyline.
Styx Hellmouth Raziel in fact had free will. He was devoured before because Moebius orchestrated it for Raziel. He made Raziel kill Kain and later there was noone to save him after he killed Sarafan Raziel in SR2. Later then, Kain found the reaver, because Sarafan's Raziel's death happened before Blood Omen. But since Raziel didn't kill Kain in this timeline, Kain could save him in the end of SR2. They ruined Elder God's plan. Elder God wanted to make Raziel believe that he has not free will. And, at the end, Raziel truly did become the Soul Reaver, but it was his choice. He cured Kain so Kain could see what Elder God truly was.
I know this is a very long time ago but the answer is that raziel was alaways the sword he was the Soul Reaver in its physical embodiment he was always the sword
@@phylypdecuk7815 actually Mobius plan was that Raziel confronts kain at the beggining of SR2, It was there that Raziel will be fused with the Reaver in order to prevent the reaver to be purified and to prevent that the purified Reaver to be wield by Kain, Soul Reaver 2 and Defiance involves in the reaver and kain been purified to have an opportunity to restore Nosgoth.
In the LoK universe, "Spirit" is an element while "souls" refer to the flying sentient entities that Raziel and the Elder feed on. Souls are made up of Spirit. Apart from that, I don't know much else. We could surely use a sequel to further explain these stuff.
Funny dialogue yet even this few mins of gameplay highlights so utterly why there will never be a sequel. Kain and Raz are exactly the same and every single moment of 'game'play is against their precious outright cheating camera system. The amount of tries this bit always cheated me into needing was like a fuck you from the makers from each and every single moment of the game. And this was when I was 20 or whatever age I was. Not once did I recommend or lend this game to anyone unfamiliar with the series. Of all[I had them all on PS/2] the LoK games I had, this is the one I sold after a few months to one of those market game shops, with an air of good riddance to cheating BS. And the man behind the till? A nice guy who literally said not another one upon seeing which game I was selling...So I guess I'm not the only one. Only got a fiver back as it happens yet better than that POS. And that is the ......"legacy" of kain: ....A completely shit game in every way that we only got enjoyable cutscenes out of. A game we were outright lied about in every way. Not once to this day do I remember anything enjoyable about the so-called 'gameplay'. I only remember their cheating and blinding precious camera system and stupid cheaper than SR2 combat to boot....And as for their precious story it would have been more worth it to buy a CD with the cutscenes for a few quid. No one will ever admit it, yet the time we all decided to go and literally sell the game for an eighth of the purchase price was the end of LoK.
