270 Win vs 30-06: Ending Grandpa’s Debate 

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Come on, lets get the man with the deepest voice on RU-vid 100k subs. Looking forward to that helium. 😂😂

Anyone remember Craig Boddington’s article back in the 90’s ? He pretty much summed it up as anything a .30 can do, a .27 or .28 can also do, just with a lot less recoil and a flatter trajectory.

Good test. I am a fan of 30-06 and 30-06 owner. Rem 700 ADL. Even had it not penetrated that last steel plate. I would still be a fan of 30-06. thanks for the show it was a good one Professor.

Love my 270 bergara

It would be nice to see a comparison between the 150 grain and the 220 grain bullets in the 30-06. The nice thing about the 30-06 is its ability to launch a large variety of bullet weights, anything from a 100-grain Plinker to the 220-grain in a standard twist bore. Some tighter twists can stabilize up to a 250-grain bullet.

Both great cartridges that can take down anything on this continent if needed.

30-06 - Will take any game in North America. Where it shines is Moose andd big bear. It shoots heavier bullets too and has very good energy with 180 grain bullets. You can also shoot 220 grains. Bullet selection is great as well. I preferred going down in grain for your average white tail, say 150 or 165. 270 win - It can still take any game in North America. Shot placement is a slightly more critical with the 270 as opposed to the 30-06 and type of bullet is also more important. Advantages of the 270 include less recoil, flatter trajectory of the bullets. Both are legendary rounds & I have both. For white tails I prefer a 25-06 for its low recoil. In factory loads I believe the 270 shoots flatter but with more recoil. Then, there's the argument that if you see a 10 point buck, you'll never feel any recoil. Speaking of recoil, you should never shoot a round that makes you flinch a lot. Great debabtes in hunting camps go on.....243, 7mm08, 25-06, 270, 30-06, 7mm all serve a purpose. Each one is like art work imho.

I wish you would do these tests with different bullet types and also tell us what bullet you are using. Soft tip bullets are not engineered to go through the objects you are shooting, but other bullets are.

You should do a drawing and give away those projectiles that you find as a souvenir to your commenters

Love watching all events you do. Now if you could do the 22 Hornet or 22 K Hornet you might be happy with the actions of the 22's on your events. They out do 22 mag or 17 her, the 17 Hornet is outstanding itself. Please give them a try.

My seven rem mag with 168 grain berger solid went straight through a 6 in.² box full of play sand. We also got a 220 swift to go right through, but I don’t know the grains on those bullets they were older than the hills.

This is the channel whereby you MUST have the sub woofer switched ON! Not going to lie....looking forward to hearing that Helium dose!

Not sure what you have planned with helium, but Banana Ballistics vs 6x6 box of sand using calibers more likely to be found on Kentucky Ballistics channel would be fun. It would be nice to see the sandbox lose... severely.

Would have liked a 3rd round with the 270 pm the1/2" plate

You can also mix n match those Woox stocks. I got the Furiosa forend and the Exactus buttstock together.

You also must understand the availability argument. You can go into any mom and pop gas station in anywhere usa with hunting grounds near by and find a box of 06 on the shelf. 270 is gonna be a hit or miss kinda thing.

Hitting and killing quickly at long range are 2 different things . From what i have seen most people spray and pray at long range .

A 30-30 will go thru that sand box, I've tried it. 👍

Cool, finally pounded that sand hard

A little surprising, given that both bullets were of similar construction, and the 270 was going faster, and had a higher sectional density.

Any chance you could try out reverse k bullets vs regular same load data?

What were the respective bullet weights, types, and makers?

You’re not giving bullet weights, a 30.06 does not really start coming into its own until you hit 180 grains, mine, even though ballistic drop was heavy, always performed best with 220 grain rounds. If you understand how to shoot, and know the drop of your round, the heavier bullets perform better further out, they simply have the best available energy.

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I wonder what Jack O'Conner would think about this kind of ' test' ? Jack who ???

The 30-06 Springfield and the 270 Winchester are nearly identical when using bullets of 150 grains or lighter. The difference is very apparent with heavier bullets and hand loaded rounds. The 30-06 Springfield comes into its own when using 165 grain projectiles and larger, 180 grain, 200 grain, or even 220 grain.

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.30-06, likely the greatest hunting cartridge for both two-legged and four-legged creatures in modern history. Succeeded by its little brother the 308win. 270 is also an incredible hunting cartridge for anything that walks the earth. Love this matchup!

after watching dozens and dozens of your videos I`ve gain alot of respect for sand bags.

Awesome channel. I love my 30-06 because that's all I got, LOL. And an old Remington 12 gauge shotgun. They both put a lot of meat in the freezer over the years. Cheers from Canada 🍻

.270 and 30-06, the gold standards that all the newbies are compared to. History has been trying to repeat itself with newer .277 and 30 caliber cartridges ever since.

30-06 is my favorite rifle cartridge

For hunting, I've dropped most everything in North America with the 270 Win topped with the ancient 130gr Speer Grand Slam. Shoots flat. Penetrates deep. I still want Grandpa's old hunting rifle, a Winchester Model 54 in 30-06. I'll never talk my uncle out of it. I used it to hunt my senior year in high school with ammo he hand loaded in the 1950s.

Decades ago when 270 and 30-06 were the typical choice for deer. The deciding factor was the environment. The 30-06 was, along with many other 30 calibers, was considered a "Bush Buster" because small branches and twigs wouldn't have much effect on the flight path. The 270 was preferred for open field caliber because of it's flat long distance projectory.

The 270 shoots flatter and, I would choose it any day over a 30-06, less things to think about.

I wish my grandpa was still around so we could debate. Unfortunately he never hunted for 6x6 blocks, steel plates, or boxes of sand.

Sand exploding makes my brain tingle

Regardless I prefer the 270 because it has a bit lighter recoil, works fine (1moa from a $300 dollar rifle from Wally) at my limits of 300 yards. Cant complain. Weatherby Vanguard/Howa from 28 years ago, black nylon stock.

There’s a reason the military uses sand bags…. 6” stops most projectiles. Maybe a 4” box would be more useful as a testing metric?

Over long distances, the 270w will take the cake.

I have seen a 30-06 go THROUGH a 12" tree when being hit dead center. I cannot speak for the 270.

I was raised in a 30-06 shooting family, so I was bias for the longest time. Around 2005, I was offered a Browning Medallion in 270 in trade for I don't remember what. I figured I'd sell or trade it because it's a 270. I went to a local gun shop for some ammo. The owner put a 30-06 cartridge in one hand and a 270 in the other. He said close your eyes and tell me which is which....... I mounted a nice Leupold scope, and the rifle shot incredibly well. Two so-called friends made insulting low-ball offers on the rifle, so I kept it as a spare or guest rifle for hunts. My 270 reloads have harvested several deer and hogs over the years. Please remember deer are not 1/2" steel plates. My regular 30-06 is a Leupold scoped (1920) Springfield 1903 sporterized rifle.

My 7mag tops both in everything but price per round

30-06 is just classic. great round. I have an old Remington 700 chambered in 270 though. Great gun. Ive never been disappointed in 270. Accurate as hell

My step-grandfather was a WWII vet who fought in the Philippines. He hunted most every big game animal in North America with a .270. I can't say he killed his grizzly with one but most everything else, from black tail to elk and moose. Mountain sheep, bighorn, antelope, cougar, and black bear. His other favorite rifle was a 300 Savage.

Can you test 30-06 vs 8x57?

There's a reason why the 30-06 has been around since 1906 it works

I have a 1994 Remington Model 700 / 270 I wouldn't trade for anything in the world!!

the helium may be funny but sulfur hexafluoride does the opposite and to my knowledge no more dangerous than helium. for a voice deep as yours I don't have any idea what that would sound like. I do know it would be funny.

My old worn out shoulder likes the 270 better. The deer don't really care, they all in the freezer just the same 😊

Classic cartridge shoot out ! Love the good ol venerable .30-06 ! Still reigns the king of cartridges after almost 120 years ! I’ve recently found my way back to it with a new Winchester model 70 Featherweight. Love the 165 grain Nosler Partitions and Accubonds or 165 grain Swift Scirocco II . I’d like to see some comparisons between these bullets on steel etc …

Two great cartridges.

Actually you can't go wrong with either round, both rounds have brought down many deer over the years. Grandpa definitely knew that they were both highly effective rounds.

So the original .270 load was a 130gr bullet at 3160fps. The ammo manufacturers received complaints about meat damage and had to lower it to 3000 fps. In recent years they’ve upped it a tad but it’s still lacking a 100fps or so (this matters a lot because that’s basically the difference between a 308 and a 30-06). The .30-06 in this video is above factory averages and the .270 is right at factory averages (which is still lower than its initial power). IMO I think the .270 is just the better caliber if loaded correctly. Shoots flatter, penetrates just as much if not more due to higher sectional density and has less recoil. Not a bad test just give the 270 a fair shake. The Barnes LRX factory load is close to the original loading as you can get.

When John Garand designed his Rifle he designed it around a .277 caliber bullet. Pershing mandated it be redesigned around the 30.06 as they had millions of rounds. Source: "The Machine Gun" by Col. George M Chinn USMC.

l am in my late 80's and me🇺🇸 and the 30-06 go back long time now.....Thanks

That 100,000 is getting close get the helium ready lol ! I enjoy your videos sir keep going .

Both fantastic cartridges. However; Jack O'Connor hunted Elk with the .270. When he was after Grizzlies, he brought the '06.

Would like to see the same test done using 150 gr projectiles in both cartridges.

Hunting antelope with a with a diehard 30-06 Pennsylvania white tail hunter back in 1992 we had a similar test. Although he had taken more than 50 deer in his life time hunting in McKean county PA he could not hit a antelope with it a the distances we were presented with. On the last day of the hunt he finally got a nice pronghorn, when he borrowed my .270.

Proof you should never question Grandpa, I didn't that's why I have a 30-06

I don't know that 150gr Interlock round seems awfully hot at 2,999 fps. The original military load was 2,700 fps and box velocity for modern factory ammo is usually 2850-2900 fps. I don't think there is any way the .270 is loaded to the same pressure as the 30-06 if the velocity's stated are correct.

I love the look of your 30.06 but the 270 in the Woox chassis! How do you like the chassis. I have one on my Rem 700 in 300RUM

It is funny that I got the exact opposite results from 500 yds on 1/4 inch. The 30-06 would dent it and the 270 looked like I used a drill bit. Both were using Sierra GameKing soft point Spitzer Boat tail bullets.

@ 1:02 ----> PLEASE use new 6x6 blocks for each caliber, wood is (relatively) inexpensive and fresh blocks ensure standardized results. 😉

I could only take 4:00 minutes of the sillines and deep voice. 30-06 is a boring Jack of all trades, master of on none. .270 shoots flatter and kills whitetail more like a 7mag. with 130 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips

I'm a grandpa. I don't debate. I own several of both. And many others. NONE of your tests have anything to do with performance on game. I never hunted wood blocks, concrete slabs or steel plates at ranges where I had to worry about bullets bouncing back. That said...the most useful _hunting rifle/cartridge_ of the many dozens I own is a Savage Model 99/.300 Savage. 🤷‍♂

The sand box test is so highly subjective. Maybe shoot through 6 inches of stacked drywall with 1/4 steel plate behind it. A 4x8 sheet is only $10 and easy to cut with razor knife.

Here’s what’s meaningful, per any bullet weight the .270 will have a higher MOA wind constant and thus the bullet trajectory is ALWAYS less effected by wind and that means better shot placement is assured at mid to long range. Now, since shot placement is the most important thing about everything important to successful hunting, smart hunters will go with the .270 over the 30-06.

My Dad was a Marine and he said those penetrating rounds would punch steel plate like butter and just bounce around inside the tank or vehicle until they got tired. Devastating to anyone in there.

Finally acquired a M1-Garand! Loving the 30-06 so far. Can’t really fire anything greater than 150 grain, but it still flies 2890 FPS.

The 30/06 is the most versatile round on the planet, and is proven on the battleground and the hunting field!

My 270 lost, but I bought it because of a good deal, however, I won’t be hunting for steel plates, though it will kill virtually anything a 30-06 will. I did want a 30-06 though, so I’m defiantly not biased!

Someone said 7.62x54r. Any testing done on old mil surp ammo, with the mild steel core, v new lead core ammo?

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No idea why I wasn't subscribed. Double checked when you offered to partake in clown farts. That'll be hilarious!

The .30-06 is based on the 7mm Mauser and was developed after the Spanish-American War. This was due to the shortcomings of the .30-40 (.30 caliber, 40 grains black powder equilavent [just like the .30-30] based on the "new smokeless powder") Krag-Jorgenson rifle. The first cartridge in 1903 used a round nose bullet which was changed to a spire point in 1906 for better ballistics. The designation .30-06 equates to .30 caliber of 1906 and was developed for the 1903 Springfield rifle. All derivatives of the .30-06 are in truth developed from the 7mm Mauser. I have a "Spanish Mauser" from the late 1800's, a nice historical artifact.

Were you using the same bullet type and grain, and powder load? My 270 with a Nossler 160 grain partition will “hole punch” a 5/8 inch thick piece of mild steel. In doing comparison shots I would consider using the same cartridge specs for each gun.

Hello, im new to your channel, and I'm curious. Have you compared the 7.62×54R to anything?

first time visiting, i'm please by the outcome; i've got my dad's old 760 Rem in 30.06, it's killed elk in the past. it's not likely to kill another, at least not this generation; maybe in the next, 30.06 is a great caliber with a lot of variety available in load options.

The 30-06 has the advantage of being a military round so more, exotic, rounds are available. I’ve never used the 30-06 before but can personally say that the .270 in 130 grain has taken down ANY game that I have gone after. They are both rounds that deserve the respect.

Can you get black tip ammo for a .270?

Cool vid - I was worried .270 would win for some reason. I live in Western Nevada now so .270 makes a bit more sense than .30-06, but I bought my '06 about 30 years ago when I lived in WI. Lots of ways to spend money on guns these days and lots of fun to shoot!

Both of them are top quality classic American cartridges. I would not want to be on the receiving end of either. I think most of the time, whatever you’re hunting can’t tell the difference either. The .30-06 does have a military heritage though. That, and hunting with a M1 Garand and a M1903 Springfield - here’s looking at you, grandpa. .270 is basically a .30-06 with a 7mm bullet on top. .270 Bullet diameter is 90% of the .30-06 diameter. Yes, I know, the .30-03 is the father of both the .30-06 and .270. The 7x57mm Mauser is the father of the .30-03…or the grandfather.

Sure glad I dont have to go thru life with that voice.

Please mark the hits on the backing steel with a sharpie

Both great rounds , the advantage to the 3.06 is you can load heavier lead. The .270 135&150 grain, the 3.06 load down or up to 185 grain . My .270 is my deer and hog rifle , my 3.06 is my larger game rifle , love them both .

I own both 30-06, and .270 win. The .270 win. in my opinion is a better hunting cartridge using a 140 grain bullet. The 30-06 Springfield is superior at 165 grain and higher weight bullets, simply because of available case capacity, for powder. The dividing line between the two cartridges lies at a 150 grain range.

There is a reason the military uses sandbags around parapets.

Love it! You used my little granddaughter’s favorite word, scooch. Not a word I hear often but it’s gotta be cool since my little granddaughter uses it. I both liked and subscribed!! 👍🏼🙂

I love my 30-06. My grandpa told me to get one and I got it.

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Confused. The 270 penetrated on edge, so shot center for NOGO. 3006 goes thru - but then retest 3006? Why not repeat the 270? Also - how close is the 270 to penetrating if it makes a difference if it's hitting on edge or center? Point: I have to think the 270 is VERY close to matching 3006 in this test? Also, not many of us are shooting through steel plates - would be more interesting in ballistic gel? Thanks - still enjoying.

Come on man, Grandpa was never wrong. 😁🙃 30-06 all the way. The 30-06 one can go from 55 gr. accelerators, all the way up to the 220gr power point, taking small game up to big game and better function at long distances.

The first shot from the 270 on the 1/2" should have counted as there was no deformation or bulging on the edge of the plate, the second round could have been loaded short at the factory.

My wife has requested that you have to say "you're a mean one Mr Grinch" but you have to say it with the song tune. 😊 In a video

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I wonder if the Remington 150gr 30-06 Core-lock (lead tip or poly tip) would show the same results. Very interesting video, never thought those results would happen, thank you.

Glad to see you have abetter barrier in front of your shooting table.