3 BLOWN RS3 ENGINES! WHY? 

Thank you for the feedback, what do you think of the production quality on our latest video, would be good to get some feedback if we’re heading in the right direction!

​@@InfinitPerformance how much is your full stage 2 package for the rs3 8v pre and post fl mate?

Video is good I agree about loosing the songs thoughh

@@InfinitPerformance video quality is amazing, overal the audio is good but yea the talking isn’t always as clear

@@InfinitPerformanceyou need to get some mics

Thank you for the kind words 💙

A pleasure to see no bullshit people in the business,a rare sight👍👏👏

@@diegodecasasmora2838 it is a rare sight indeed. This industry is all smoke and mirrors!

Im living in Spain,but when i go to UK ill pop round 👍

Seems a competent operator. Good stuff. Does ambient temperature during the tune impact the map? Or does the ECU compensate this?

Correct. The safeties that have been put into place by Audi on the stock ECU are not enough to save the engine when things go wrong on a tuned engine. This is why we inject additional custom code onto the stock ECU for more safeties. We prefer this approach as we are looking for long term reliable solutions opposed to dulling the knock sensors to make power which is common practice on this platform.

Thank you!!

Listen to this man! 👌🏽

This is the biggest thing, some of the these people tuning cars. Do nothing but beat on them and expect a warranty style Life. Logging the car is key, warming it up properly as well. We all Love our tuned fast cars but we don’t have to drive it like a loon 24/7.

You forgot point .6: Replace it with an S58. A BMW, S58.

​@@uslaserguideddemocracyseed1039And have the crank hub spin and grenade the whole engine?!? By the way, did they fix that on the s58 compared to s55?

​@@uslaserguideddemocracyseed1039 BMWTARD DETECTED... Lol you never dissapoint us.

Thank you for the kind words!

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Thank you! 👍

More to come!

Thank you 🙏🏽

Thank you! Stay tuned for more!

Thank you for the kind words! As I said, maintenance is key. If you are choosing to tune your engine you are responsible to stay ontop of it. If you don’t have our safeties, over service your car. Datalog it regularly. Service intervals should be halved. If you are running E85, I would advise injector servicing every 20k miles. E85 is tough on injectors.

Another thing that is also happening in the uk is engine failure due to cars fitted with mileage tampering devices, oil quality degrading far past its lifespan and causing a condition known as LSPI.

thats 100k miles WITH environmental bullshit if u tune out that crap you get more longevity

Spot on, plus you keep your 10 year/100k warranty. In my case not yours.

Don’t be nervous, pick a solid tuner that has safeties or datalog it regularly and stay ontop of the maintenance!

Thank you very much! Sorry about the music, we're new here. What did you think of our latest video? Are we headed in the right direction?

@@InfinitPerformance Yes, you are headed in the right direction because you are giving helpful tech info. I agree with CRZ 13 on the music. It is distracting when in the background, in fact, it's even worse in the other spots due to horror of that type of music. Try some nice Metallica, AC/DC, Ozzy etc 😀🤟!!

Thank you!

Thanks a ton!

We do not alter anybody else’s calibrations. It would be a full new engine and gearbox tune by Infinit Performance to add safety algorithms to your ECU.

The knock control system on the MK2 TTRS is not as weak, nor does the stock turbo make enough power that it overcomes the allowable peak cylinder pressure limits on that engine. What I would do though is have the injectors serviced, they are extremely common for injectors being stuck open/closed which causes the cylinder to go lean!

Thank you very much for the kind words, they are still reliable, in stock form 😁 we are now reaching a time where turbos are far too capable in stock form and they can easily exceed the strength limitations of the engine itself!

Turbo technology has come a long long way, these faster spooling setups are risky business! I bet if this engine was using a turbo that had a slower spool we wouldn’t see half the issues we are seeing with them at the moment due to bad tuning.

​@@InfinitPerformance and this means... a revised engine character or tourqe courve help lot..or solve the issues.

Back in the day it was about 20 plus years

@@commantrosexetlos4700 yeh that's back in the day 😜

Thank you, look forward to making more content!

Thanks! 👍 Our rolling road is electronically linked front to rear so this is why you may see some variations between the two axles.

Yes I agree. Even stock cars have failed however, these are generally cars that haven’t been maintained though.

The problem is pushing the engine to its limits, this is where you start to walk the line

​@@medicineman7461What do you think the limit is on this motor? While I don't drive an Audi with this engine management tech, I've own many 2nd and 3rd Gen 5cyl putting out upwards of 650hp and never had an engine failure.

B58s map so easily and make great power. Plenty are running 6-800 on stock everything except inj, turbo, fp. Its a monster. I had one :)

Stage 1 map on these should be fine ( hate calling them stage but it's what most know) The main issue is intake temps more than anything so popping on a upgraded FMIC is a good shout also though stage 1 doesn't really require hardware mods. Also a TCU tune is a good idea so it's more inline with the uprated torque the engine is producing. But I think beyond that is when you could be pushing the engine and hardware more towards it's limits. I've seen people bolt on turbos and be fine running 600+BHP. So it also comes down to mechanical sympathy. Don't floor the car while it's still not warmed up fully and do regular oil changes and servicing. Audi seem to recommend oil changes every couple years but I rather do once within a year atleast. Depends on the miles done as if i did 7k miles then oil change.

Well, now you know you need a tune which has safeties built into it :)

@@InfinitPerformancewhat are safeties?

Yes they would, if at any time the car is unhappy it will automatically switch to a safe map and flash the EML to notify you :)

Thank you!

Thank you very much!

Exactly! Maintenance on these cars goes a long long way.

Thank you very much. We look forward to welcoming you!

Pre facelift engines don't make anywhere near as as much power in stock form as the facelift engines, the material of the block is not relevant at these power levels. The material of the block only becomes a weakness when you re over 1200hp.

We have rods for this engine manufactured for us to our specifications, Infinit Performance connecting rods. Please drop us an email if this is something you are interested in purchasing.

I think our next video will be about the 8Y 😉

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Glad you enjoyed it. Stay tuned for the new video!

It is a combination of everything to be honest. This engine is not as forgiving as some engines that get away with poor maintenance and bad tuning.

Remember, maintenance is key. That transfer box is a sealed for life unit on RS3’s up till 2020. But on the RS3 8Y and RSQ3 2020+ which use the same transfer boxes they are a service every 20k item.

@@InfinitPerformance absolutely I agree!! I have a 2017 saloon so a sealed case. Maybe it’s been launched too much 😬

Is it possible to know how many times an RS3 has been launched???

@@statementleaver8095if you have vcds or obd11 there is a counter. Not sure how to located it though.

Don’t have any experience with this platform, sorry!

Thats the classic injector dripping overnight which ends up sticking one day and boom.. Sometimes its carbon blocking the tiny holes on the injector or the seal has gone. What i always do in this scenario is just swap that injector for a new one. Good luck

@@davidobutt thanks for the info. Saw a video last night of an S3 completely different engine but the similar symptoms which turned out to be the cam position sensor(s)

@@samspencer922 yea could be that Also sometimes depending on oil quality the vvt oil control valve can stick causing similar issues but that usually happens when close to 100,000 miles. What ive found with almost all vag engines since 2000 is the injectors 95% of the time is the cause. Direct injection is a nightmare lol

@@davidobutt Gonna get it looked at asap because it's bugging me now. It's odd because like I said it doesn't do it all the time. But yeah better safe than sorry, it'd about break me if the engine died lol.

Yes we do! Please get in touch to see what we can do for you.

Thank you!

Hey! Our Stage 1 Engine rebuilds are £6999. We provide a 3 year 40k mile engine warranty on this as long as the car is tuned by us.

Thanks for the tip! What do you think about our newer videos? We have been working on our production quality!

@@InfinitPerformance sure thing, looking good. Very glad to see a shop cover details about the RS3 platform!

RS 3 details indeed! Certainly appreciated here in Virginia USA!

Well, if they need someone solid to work on it you know who to call 😎

Hahah

I am not aware of any tuner on the planet offering additional safety algorithms via custom code for the stock ECU on this platform.

I don’t think so the one in the video was a MRC stage 2

@@daniyalmahmood5463 I wasn’t implying it was I asked if the MRC stage 2 had these safety features

@@geofsti and I’m saying I don’t think they have safety algorithms as the one in the video was done by them and blew up due to bad fuel

Very ballsy. Any e85 tuned rs3 even on stock turbo are damn near the limits on stock motor. Everytime you do a pull roll into it and don’t go WOT until 3500-4000 rpm’s but I definitely recommend building that motor up with that bigger turbo.

If they are maintained, then no :)

Yes we can set your car up remotely, drop me an email aoon@infinitperformance.co.uk

And save yourself a fortune!!

Datalog it, send me the log and I'll give you my honest unbiased opinion about what I think. aoon@infinitperformance.co.uk

@@InfinitPerformance how is best to log the car?

The CZGB engines do not make anywhere near as much power as the DAZA/DNWA engine, so we do not see anywhere near as many failures on that engine. You can get away with bad tuning and poor maintenance on that engine. With the daza/dnwa, room for error is zilch.

We are using a Sony A7 III 😊

Thank you very much. We are based in Glasgow, Scotland!

@@InfinitPerformance dam that's from south London. I haven't come across a lot of rs3 failing but it's interesting to see what the remaps cause

They don’t make anywhere near as much power so that car gets away with poor maintenance and bad tuning. It is very forgiving because it is not as powerful. They will just run 🚀

Glad we could help! As long as you look after the car you will be fine 🤝🏽

We don’t see anywhere near as many issues with the 1.8/2.0 MQB engines.

Cars are capable of producing more power, if done correctly. Many factors get neglected and don’t get taken into consideration when adjusting software, therefore causing failure.

We can sleeve the block to save it!

Thanks 👍

We have never lost an engine going lean in our 4 years of tuning them. Our engine safeties pick up failing injectors months before they actually fail and melt a piston.

@@InfinitPerformance that’s amazing. How does the software alert you of an issue with an injector or coil pack for instance? I’m contemplating switching over to your software.

@@davidrojas9633 we have had safety algorithms in place for 3 years now and we have not had a single engine failure since. When an injector, coil pack or spark plug is getting weak it notifies the driver by flashing the EML as the engine starts making heavy knock corrections. It also simultaneously switches you back to a safe map to protect the engine and will not let you switch out until you have the issue addressed. This is why we are able to offer 3 year warranties on every engine we build. We are also looking into offering warranties with our tunes on stock engines for the 8Y platform.

@@davidrojas9633 I’ve linked to a video on how the safety algorithms work in the description section of the video.

@@InfinitPerformance man I wish US tuners had this

I would advise starting with fresh coil packs and spark plugs from audi directly :)

The b58 engine is not as weak as a DAZA when things go wrong

The blue car in the video is a stage 1 car, software only with no additional modifications.

@@InfinitPerformance damn, was close to pulling the trigger on a stage 1 FL. Will go with plan B and get a slightly older RS6 instead. So happy I came across this video - thank you 👍

@@InfinitPerformancehow does the strap break off on the spark plugs? Would I be better to run strapless racing plugs?

Understandable, nobody cares about something like this until it happens to them and it is happening. Every single day. These three cars were tuned by the same company, some ran for a few months some ran for 2 years. The calibrations are not directly to blame but it is the dynamic environments that the cars are in.

@caneytt. What tune are you running?

@@derrickgarcia303 MRC stage 2 with switchable maps

@Infinit Performance Going to be booking in for MRC for stage 2 on my TTRS. as I currently just have a Elite remaps stage 1 that I am slightly dubious about. Who tuned all these blown engines? How do I get these safety put in place on my TTRS?

@@tdg176I am not aware of anyone other than us offering safeties for this platform at this time. I linked a video on our safeties in the description!

As with all tuners mate it's always so much easier faster and easier to get to the point if u just give em a bell

@@user-uf6gc1nd7e It was pretty much well out of hours when I posted that. At the moment I don't get access to normal phone lines in the type of work I do and currently email/messaging is my only option.

Damn, feel for u bro, as I work nightshifts, emphasise with u

Our website is currently undergoing maintenance, hence why it was clear. We can definitely help you out. The Audi B8 S4 is a platform that we have experience with. Give us a call on 0141 641 1222 or email us on info@infinitperformance.co.uk and we can discuss further details about your enquiry 🤝🏽

@@user-uf6gc1nd7e Thanks mate, it's only for security reasons I can't make normal calls during my shift. Be finishing in that sector soon though, I'll give them a buzz next week when back out on civvy street 😃

It is worse on the DNWA engine. Is is even more sensitive to knock than the DAZA engine, combined with poor tuning as all the copycat tuners are applying DAZA ignition, fueling and boost settings onto the DNWA when it can’t take it as it is using a different exhaust camshaft.

We are based in Cambuslang Glasgow :)

What year is the car?

You can buy a flashing tool online and do it yourself, or get it done at a shop, either way for about $1000. Going further after that itll need supporting hardware

We can look after you. Drop us a message or give us a call and we’ll get you sorted!

Agreed!

Over 1.5bar is not safe at that low of an rpm. Look into something called LSPI too. When these engines knock, peak cylinder pressure goes through the roof and that’s what bends rods. The stock turbocharger on this engine is an animal, it can build a lot of boost very quickly, 2500-3500rpm is a danger zone where boost should not be over 1.5/1.6bar. We often see 2.1 bar from other tuners in this RPM zone. Everyone thinks it’s okay to ramp in the boost as fast as possible but it is just not safe. The stock knock control systems on tuned cars are simply not enough to save this engine when things are not running optimally. This is why we commissioned our safety algorithms.

Is this also dangerous for forged rods?

Yes we do :)

Thank you!

BMW doesn’t burn oil, Audi’s does burn heaps. Few of the people I know have RS3’s they all talk about it because it’s a problem

​@Pawelmps um, wrong..my 2023 RS3 doesn't use *any* oil, the B58 by contrast has a legacy of oil consumption

The reliability of the 8Y RS3 on pump gas is excellent

@@fzr1000981 B58 legacy of oil consumption lol. What are you on about. I was in the scene of tuning the B58 since it came out and I almost never hear of oil issues whatsoever. Its a really well build, power capable monster of an engine.

@sheilamorrison1954 tons of plastic parts, plastic oil pump impeller, throw away engine after 150k

Haha

Not at current but we do offer remote tuning via Android or Windows. Give us a call to see what we can do for you.

probably, and timing. most EU/UK tuners map these on good fuel and run quite a lot of timing down low and also numb the knock sensors by 15-20% >. So when you have a bad batch of fuel, pop goes the engine.

@@VuBeClanI datalogged the software on every engine that failed over the last 4 years, usually it is a boost spike particularly at 2500/3500rpm or running 18/19 degrees of ignition up-top on 99 octane fuel with the knock sensors muted, wastegate pinned and engine showing no knock corrections is what kills the engine.

​@@InfinitPerformance I believe this has happened to me. My rs3 threw a rod on the higway, in a high gear going slowly. I had just filled up so it may have been slightly worse fuel than usual. The car was running a revo stage 2 tune

Their egos are too big to acknowledge or address the problem, denial works better

It was in a bad state.

Yup they switched to MDF after 2015! 💀🤣

The cepa engine is a stronger engine. The daza not so good.

The CEPA/CZGB engines are using an iron block, the material of the block is nothing to do with the strength of the engine, unless you are at a power level where you are cracking the cylinder walls (1200-1500hp) it is not the reason behind majority of the engine failures on this platform. The aluminium block engines are actually better for high horsepower applications as they have 6 bolt mains for crank support, which the iron block engine does not. The turbochargers are different and the facelift turbochargers are capable of a lot more power and spool way faster than the older engine/turbos ever could. This is one of the reason why we are seeing a lot more failures. With the old engine, you could get away with a lot as it didn’t make enough power on stock turbos in the first place and the spool was slower. So everyone could get away with poor tuning as the setup was a lot more forgiving. With the facelift engines, margin for error is extremely low which is why safeguards had to be put in place to monitor the engine management system constantly and notify the driver.

@@InfinitPerformance so you are telling me they 100% switched to MDF 👀🤣

@@sprocket-YT no they recently switched to cardboard

None yet, but they are new and have not been tuned yet. We are building one for a client next month. Will drop a video on that!

@@InfinitPerformance so it’s mainly when they have been modified? They are supposed to be able to withstand mods up to 1000bhp. I have seen many moded and with no issues. I think you information lacks details. they must have been badly modified. I have not seen issues from Engines tuned by reputable tuners. I would love to know and happy to be schooled, I’m. I expert in this but from what I have seen and what people say. They are bulletproof

Am I wrong

@@InfinitPerformancebro i have just seen another video of yours which shows the rebuilt. Love the contents so thank you for the time you put into them. So if you dont mod the engine is it still likely to fail? Do the new rs3 have engine safety to detect this or is this something only you install

There is a reply to this question earlier on in the comments section bro. Just keep on top of your maintenance and you should be fine on a stock engine.

If you keep ontop of maintenance you will not have any issues :)

Thank you very much. Means a lot! I look forward to bringing more content to you.