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3 Obtainable Cluster Swaps for Ek Honda Civics | USDM 96-00 Gauges 

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In today's Civic Vlog, I talk about three POPULAR Gauge Cluster swaps for 96-00 Ek Honda Civic's. These are obtainable swaps that can be modded with LED's, fluorescent paint, and all the rev banging goodness. Now which do I choose?
As a 16 year old kid, all I wanted was a damn tachometer (RPM Gauge) in my 1996 Honda Civic DX. Afterall, it was a manual car with NO tach?! So I figured I would put together a "short" video to explain different Honda Civic Gauge cluster swaps that are obtainable for the USDM 96-00 Honda Civic's. While I'm not installing any of the clusters in this video (don't hate me) this knowledge is still helpful for those wanting a different cluster. I show several examples of LED's installed in the Civic clusters as well as some examples of modified clusters to make the originals look less...90's. Painted gauge needles, carbon overlays, etc.
The Honda CRV Cluster swap into a Civic is by far one of the coolest looking in my opinion for the price. For people with the CX/DX models of Civics, installing a EX model will give you a plug and play RPM gauge. For people in my shoes, the Civic Si cluster, the Civic Type R cluster, or even the S2K swap is much better looking. I give you my thoughts on the look of LED's and the "possibility" of changing mileage on a Honda Civic cluster. Adjusting mileage is something that should only be done to match the chassis of the car and for the most part, is illegal. But anyway.
Just wanted to make this to help the newbies of the Honda world and give out some ideas on mods for different trim levels. I'll be installing the Si cluster soon after I give it my 'alldayanthony touch." As always thanks for watching!
Here are some links below for things I mentioned in this video!
96-00 Gauge Cluster LED T5 Notification Lights: amzn.to/3thyvVx
96-00 Gauge Cluster LED T10 Center Gauge LED's: amzn.to/2Mp6OJQ
For a list of all LED's needed click here: honda-tech.com/forums/honda-c...
96-00 Gauge Cluster LED KIT Ready to go: ebay.us/4REV6O
"Carbon Fiber Gauge Overlay": ebay.us/JuPXRN
Testors Orange Needle Paint (Fluorescent): amzn.to/3j965rZ
Testors Yellow Needle Paint (Fluorescent): amzn.to/3oFsTRw
Micro Brushes: amzn.to/2YH0mjH
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@noahscott9390
@noahscott9390 3 года назад
I personally like the logo idea, since it isn’t an si. You should do it
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
I think so too!
@nyreppin1
@nyreppin1 3 года назад
Pro tip: the 96-00 acura el is a Civic in disguise and it's STEERING WHEEL is exactly the same as an EM1 steering wheel but with an Acura symbol in the middle. So if you want the leather wrap(like I do) but don't want to spend the EM1 prices keep an eye out for the Acura el wheel. They're half as expensive... For now.
@nyreppin1
@nyreppin1 3 года назад
@MaacAtlas in your 96-00?
@YvngQ
@YvngQ 3 года назад
@@nyreppin1 I had an Acura RSX wheel in my 96 Coupe. All plugs right in, only plug that isnt the same is airbag so I just left it disconnected
@nyreppin1
@nyreppin1 3 года назад
@@YvngQ so the cruise control worked?
@notbanksy8294
@notbanksy8294 3 года назад
Lotsa swap parts. Good lookin out tho.
@YvngQ
@YvngQ 3 года назад
@@nyreppin1 mine didnt work before I swapped wheels so irdk but im almost certain the plug was the same
@jasonolguin
@jasonolguin 3 года назад
You are the reason I just bought my civic coupe Anthony
@mikeeyyss2150
@mikeeyyss2150 3 года назад
Same here
@JoseSilva-km6lk
@JoseSilva-km6lk 3 года назад
Just to let you know that I swapped the auto cr- v cluster into my 99 Civic auto and works like factory. Cool mod. Thanks for the tip.
@RaspyStarks
@RaspyStarks 10 месяцев назад
I bought a CRV model Manuel from Europe 👌🏽🔥
@formula.street
@formula.street 3 года назад
🔥🔥🔥Let’s go love the Civic uploads🔥🔥🔥
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Yeah buddy!
@SpencerKyleMarfurt
@SpencerKyleMarfurt 3 года назад
Use red sharpie to color needles. If u use paint the needles get to heavy for steeper motor. And will stick on hot days. Sharprie goes hard!
@06eclipse
@06eclipse 3 года назад
Men, I love your videos... keep working hard they’re amazing... I don’t like to wait but I always wait for your videos with anxious/exciting.
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Thanks man! I try to focus on quality over quantity for the most part
@BarbasLife
@BarbasLife 3 года назад
I found my SI cluster at the junk yard $25 huge score.
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
That is a huge score for sure
@brendon6618
@brendon6618 3 года назад
i got mine for free with my si
@BarbasLife
@BarbasLife 3 года назад
@@brendon6618 that only counts if your SI was free or did you have to pay for it.🤔🤷‍♂️
@spartacussmith7070
@spartacussmith7070 3 года назад
Just snatched a CRV cluster for free
@WillieGT3R
@WillieGT3R 3 года назад
Just got an 99 EK and I love your videos, really helping me out with what mods I want.
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Awesome man congrats. Thanks for watching
@blakehansen1208
@blakehansen1208 3 года назад
God bless your civic uploads. I cant get enough.
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Thanks for always coming to watch!
@JiffyPb23
@JiffyPb23 3 года назад
You’re gonna blow up I know it... just a matter of time and you’ll hit a mil, I’m glad I’m here early to watch you grow :D
@vtec-619
@vtec-619 3 года назад
Nice can't wait to see the custom cluster!!!👌
@SunnyAyyy
@SunnyAyyy 3 года назад
just bought my first car a few months ago and every time I watch your videos it gets me thinking about getting a base model 6th gen civic to clean up and daily. something about the styling and interior of that car just appeals to me so much! clean ones are so hard to find up here in canada, even when i do they're always asking an insane price.
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
You should absolutely do it!
@enthrall.
@enthrall. 3 года назад
Good shit brotha! Love Hondas 🔥
@JasonTylerRicci
@JasonTylerRicci 3 года назад
I agree with you on all fronts. Especially not using the 2 LED's on top of the cluster. I had before and it was simply WAY to bright,to the point of a distraction while driving at night.
@travispalomarez8288
@travispalomarez8288 3 года назад
Bro not gonna lie I love watching your videos an also seeing my company sticker on your garage doors haha sick....
@GDavis49
@GDavis49 3 года назад
On tonight’s episode of Cluster Hoarders......😉
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
It really do be like that G
@nwkrep82
@nwkrep82 3 года назад
This takes me back. I had an Black 99 EK Sedan EX 5spd that I purchased in 2003 and sold in 2013. I had a B20Vtec (High compression B20 block with GSR head, SK2 Stage 1 cam, SK2 Manifold, and a couple other goodies)...Anyway, I had swapped in the 99 Si Cluster in it...Oh the memories...
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Hell yeah man. This is all throwback knowledge haha
@Hihihihihihiheyiiiii
@Hihihihihihiheyiiiii 3 года назад
Nice civic I fallow you’re channel and watch all your videos i love the civic you keep it up can’t wait to finish with my civic
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Thanks for watching them!
@kingcommi3860
@kingcommi3860 3 года назад
This what I’ve been waiting for a CLUSTER SWAP
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Well don’t get too excited lol
@aseancutietv7498
@aseancutietv7498 3 года назад
Watching from Philippines 🇵🇭 Im only a student and I just bought my honda civic with my own money. You inspire and give me motivation on building my EK 🙂
@alicastro6262
@alicastro6262 3 года назад
Sanaol with my own money kahit student pa. :)
@unproductiveworkshop
@unproductiveworkshop 3 года назад
Filipino here as well with a Honda Civic!! Enjoy the car!
@barron1122
@barron1122 3 года назад
The logo idea is great! I'd go for it 👌💯
@fernandoaltamirano387
@fernandoaltamirano387 3 года назад
Perfect video, Ive been thinking about swapping my cluster.
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Do it!
@pbj6571
@pbj6571 3 года назад
Love the civic vlog🎉🎉🎉
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
It loves you!
@sixeight8621
@sixeight8621 3 года назад
Always love that outro
@pityyoutube6324
@pityyoutube6324 3 года назад
Love your videos broo, go oon🔥
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Thanks man!
@miikey.k7x
@miikey.k7x 3 года назад
I went from SI to CRV Cluster and never looked back. Painted the needles yellow and its 🔥🔥🔥
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
I’m sure that looks good!
@JosePerez-cj9tc
@JosePerez-cj9tc 3 года назад
Love the vid bro 🔥💪🏽👍🏽
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Thanks for watching ❤️
@jamespalmer7629
@jamespalmer7629 3 года назад
I have an auto EX and swapped in an auto CRV cluster with no problem. I also wanted to change the color of the light shinning down, so I pulled out the old blue shade and incandescent bulbs, then swapped in some RGB LED strip lights. I hooked them up to a PWM controller so I can change the color.
@civicfanboys2325
@civicfanboys2325 3 года назад
Nice content dude
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Thanks for watching
@JAlexanderYugioh
@JAlexanderYugioh 3 года назад
I’ve never been a civic boy (CB7 Accord here), but your videos make me think just a bit about it.
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Do it!
@jaredmartinez4440
@jaredmartinez4440 3 года назад
the tint looks sooooo gooooood
@chadbrown1958
@chadbrown1958 Год назад
Here 2years late just did a full gsr swap into a 2000 ej8 after blowing the questionable when I bought it d series😂 sick content man
@dakota5041
@dakota5041 Год назад
I liked my crv cluster, the red/orange glow was a nice touch for night drives
@cobhanpittman2966
@cobhanpittman2966 3 года назад
Love the civic!
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Thanks man, it loves you too
@timocallaghan4408
@timocallaghan4408 3 года назад
That Cr-v cluster swap is actually genius
@rjaybruhh
@rjaybruhh Год назад
*_Oh cool! I didn't know you made a cluster video as well! I want to try to do a Type R cluster swap, but I'll have to try to find one first…_*
@stiprus_garsas
@stiprus_garsas 3 года назад
Got JDM Integra SI-R cluster in mine, love it so far
@SansMizu1119
@SansMizu1119 3 года назад
Yoo, didn't even know you were going to post a video! Night just got better with this video
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Sometimes surprises are nice!
@SansMizu1119
@SansMizu1119 3 года назад
@@ALLDAYANTHONY really are
@streetlegacymedia
@streetlegacymedia 3 года назад
I don’t own any Honda’s I own an ‘95 Mitsubishi Eclipse GST & I watch and love your videos bro
@robinhoward7408
@robinhoward7408 3 года назад
Man I just love your civic. Right now I just have an old S-10 as my daily but I'm saving up to get hopefully a prelude in that same color. I don't want to have a project car as my daily so that's why I bought my truck first. But your civic just looks great I like how you mod it but don't make it look ridiculous like something I would have made in need for speed when I was 10.
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Thanks man! Highly recommend getting a civic :)
@joe.b206
@joe.b206 3 года назад
This makes me miss my civic!
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Come back to the Honda game!
@Stadanco
@Stadanco 3 года назад
Found a crv cluster on ebay in the middle of watching this video the other day. Bought it immediately @ $120. Dig your videos man. The explanations, process, production quality. Dead on.
@davidportillo6874
@davidportillo6874 3 года назад
That si cluster is 🔥
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
I think it’s pretty clean!
@notorioussouljur
@notorioussouljur 3 года назад
Love the crv and ek4 clusters
@thesituation1495
@thesituation1495 3 года назад
I did auto crv cluster and out it in my 99 ek sedan auto and works great!
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Hell yeah!
@cnovalles73
@cnovalles73 2 года назад
I prefer the OEM look as well but I do like the simple white overlays that just stick over the black gauge faces.
@MrNorotic
@MrNorotic 3 года назад
I have an auto crv cluster in my 98 ex b16 swapped civic. Works perfectly.
@TheXRaidx
@TheXRaidx 3 года назад
I have a crv cluster in my coupe couldn't be happier. Also you can use a auto cluster I have it in my 5 speed.
@Dreillett
@Dreillett 3 года назад
I think the Logo on the cluster would be cool. You already have a super clean civic so if it is considered a bit "tacky" it just makes it more personal and unique.
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
That’s what I was thinking
@matthew1761
@matthew1761 3 года назад
yyyeeeey, finally my fav civic
@CB-tx3ul
@CB-tx3ul 3 года назад
The VTi Jordan cluster is another. Hard to find, but it's more aggressive than the EX Cluster, looks better than the CR-V or EL stuff, and is still cleaner than the Si/R cluster. I have one sitting in my closet and yet I no longer have an EK to put it in.
@theshooting_guard
@theshooting_guard 3 года назад
I have a 98 DX Hatch and i swapped in an EM1 leather wrapped steering wheel and an RD1 MT Instrument cluster. Both direct swaps.
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Yep the steering wheels are direct. Good for having the leather over here rubber grip
@jamon4203
@jamon4203 3 года назад
I really bought a civic last night bc of yours 😂😂
@jakenothanks307
@jakenothanks307 3 года назад
Glad ive already got an si cluster and s2k wheel lol. Also yea auto crv clusters work i used to have one with a piece of electrical tape over the gear selector lights
@sensei9626
@sensei9626 3 года назад
Civic upload 😍😍😍
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Yeah buddy thanks for watching
@Robby03
@Robby03 3 года назад
Hey bro cool civic is very clean, quick question, whats the lip on top of the spoiler called??? Thanks in advance
@mikeeyyss2150
@mikeeyyss2150 3 года назад
I just bought a 99 EJ8 coupe (EX Coupe) last month. It came with the EX cluster with a carbon fiber overlay, plus the AP1 S2000 steering wheel, which was exactly what I wanted (didn't really have the carbon overlay in mind).
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Sounds like the steering wheel was a big score!
@mikeeyyss2150
@mikeeyyss2150 3 года назад
@@ALLDAYANTHONY Yeah, it was. In fact, im only 13 lol.
@Shreddylife
@Shreddylife 10 месяцев назад
Dang, I just ordered a EX cluster for my DX. Now after watching this video I wish I ordered the CRV one 😆 O well
@jclc4201
@jclc4201 11 месяцев назад
Hey man! Nice vid! New sub here. Can I ask where you got the clusters? Also are you able to educate us on climate controls? Tyvm!
@DJBZRK504
@DJBZRK504 2 года назад
I have a 5spd 97-01 crv. Im trying to find some clusters to change out mine because some bulbs are burned out or the circuts dont power the lights. Any suggestions?
@michaelb5398
@michaelb5398 3 года назад
I have an imported USDM civic dx and I live in europe. I just took a EDM cluster out of a 1.4 and swapped out the speedometer for the USDM one. So i have a tach and all that but still have my original mileage. EDM clusters are plentiful and not very expensive
@calimagic8052
@calimagic8052 3 года назад
I have a D series so I'm going with EX cluster. Cool video. 👍
@calimagic8052
@calimagic8052 3 года назад
@MaacAtlas what would you suggest for a stock look?
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Ex or CRV cluster would be good options
@calimagic8052
@calimagic8052 3 года назад
@MaacAtlas I have a manual..do you know if its compatible with the EK? or do I have to get different connectors.
@calimagic8052
@calimagic8052 3 года назад
@MaacAtlas thanks for your help. The crv does look alot better. I'll start looking.
@calimagic8052
@calimagic8052 3 года назад
@MaacAtlas yea I seen that. Its just that he didn't know if it was a direct plug and play.
@fireinthehole72
@fireinthehole72 Год назад
@alldayanthony auto cluster does work on the civic however they come with an overdrive light which will not light since in my case my EK does not have overdrive and there is a second crv guage cluster that has D4,D3,D2 & 1 and again my stock cluster only has D4,D3 & 2. Is there a crv cluster that has D4,D3 & 2 only?
@notbanksy8294
@notbanksy8294 3 года назад
I own a ej, wonder if that's the same.
@mariopic
@mariopic 2 года назад
u can ajust the civic ex cluster to match the si cluster rpm limit and put an overlay on it to mske it matcg
@bushdog
@bushdog 3 года назад
because of this video i just went through my channels and i fouind a m/t 99/00 siR cluster with 177km on it...will have a shipped quote on it soon.
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
Hell yeah man! Score
@bushdog
@bushdog 3 года назад
@@ALLDAYANTHONY you'd be mad at the prices. cheaper than an dx cluster on ebay. lofl
@hmmidk_
@hmmidk_ 11 месяцев назад
Hey too late but a question, what if i swapped my local cluster with 220 kph speedometer gauge on it with JDM 180 kph would the jdm speedo be accurate?
@isaacsellers4757
@isaacsellers4757 3 года назад
I like the AA logo idea, but i wouldnt cover the si. My opinion i would try to match the font style and put the AA on the lower side between temp anf fuel. Or maybe under the tach?
@DannySystem
@DannySystem 3 года назад
How do I get to the ABS globe? I put a crv cluster in and have the ABS light on. (No ABS in my EK)
@erickabundis7952
@erickabundis7952 3 года назад
Yessir 🔥🔥
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
❤️❤️
@abemartinez7002
@abemartinez7002 2 года назад
What if you plug in the EX cluster into your DX (2000 honda DX) and the rpm gauge doesn't respond
@blakehansen1208
@blakehansen1208 3 года назад
I like the idea of your Logo on the cluster but maybe put it under the Si logo because I love the look of the Si
@corsairk5513
@corsairk5513 3 года назад
Have you possibly ever shoved a crv cluster into one of these? I just picked up a 99 with a. Crv cluster in it and my speedo and tach will not work. Any help is appreciated, gas gauge temp gauge and all my lights work
@bluesrike
@bluesrike Год назад
Does anyone know the diameter of the tach, speedo and auxiliary gauges? Their layouts look almost the same so they should have similar measurements.
@km9643
@km9643 3 года назад
Good stuff, Err' Day. In your next cluster video, maybe talk about cleaning up/polishing the salvaged clusters. Also, if the SI cluster is so sought after... You probably shouldn't be covering it up with a decal? Last thing you want is that sticker just oozin' in the middle of the summer lol
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
The lenses can of course be polished. I like to use a blue alki sprayer to clean the lens obviously. Then polish with hyper polish.
@km9643
@km9643 3 года назад
@@ALLDAYANTHONY Naturally, naturally.
@cesarperez7837
@cesarperez7837 3 года назад
I currently own a 1993 ej1. previous owner swapped in a d16y5 (1996-2000 engine). my cluster has been fully messed up no temp gauge speedo tach or fuel read. i went to the junk yard and grabbed a ej1 cluster and the plugs didnt match and when i checked online, the plugs matched the ek harnesses what do i do???!!!!
@joelfuentes5148
@joelfuentes5148 3 года назад
From an auto cluster to manual is plug and play?
@hondaboi8195
@hondaboi8195 3 года назад
It would be cool if u put ur channel logo over the SI dude cant wait to see it on the civic 👍
@fromdeast
@fromdeast 2 года назад
where can i get the leds for the cluster ?
@yeahflecs7253
@yeahflecs7253 2 года назад
I just want to know where you got them and what are the costs likeee
@SamuraiWarrior-iq2kl
@SamuraiWarrior-iq2kl 2 года назад
When i pulled my D16 swap from the other civic couple months back it had 70k miles only reason im changing my cluster miles is cause i myself know the real miles on the swap. But lowering without knowing the miles on a swap to flex or sell as low miles isnt good to do.
@lordstorm8555
@lordstorm8555 3 года назад
been trying to find a fully digital cluster read out for 99 civic
@sidichendid7237
@sidichendid7237 3 года назад
Does Crv trim matter, or any crv 97-01?
@ajenelewis3392
@ajenelewis3392 2 года назад
Will an Integra cluster work with an EK?
@skatingsam96
@skatingsam96 Год назад
I have a question for anyone who might know the answer. I bought a jdm Ek civic, and the cluster doesn't have an rpm gauge. If I pop out the speedometer, so that it stays in kmh and has the odometer, can I put that into an American cluster? Would that work, or would the speed be off on it?
@crazypsycho1953
@crazypsycho1953 Год назад
are all EK cluster interchangeable to any EK ?
@jeremybertrand7210
@jeremybertrand7210 Год назад
Would you consider selling any of the clusters? I’ve been looking and there just a little pricier then i think one’s worth. Or could you point me in a good direction. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
@MayhemfromAllState
@MayhemfromAllState 10 месяцев назад
Just ordered the all amber one for the EK
@arvinschannel.1786
@arvinschannel.1786 3 года назад
Do you sell one of your Si gauge cluster? I'm interested
@flatwoodzmafia
@flatwoodzmafia 3 года назад
I don't have an ek (i would love a ek coupe) but the crv is definitely my go to cluster honestly.
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
It’s good looking for sure!
@ericxhcurioso3357
@ericxhcurioso3357 3 года назад
Anotha new 1 lezzzgo
@sahielharilall7
@sahielharilall7 2 года назад
Is the S2000 steering a direct fit?
@sandwach
@sandwach 10 месяцев назад
do they have difference for automatic to manual?
@teejen2207
@teejen2207 Год назад
Will a Civic LX cluster work?
@brendans3343
@brendans3343 3 года назад
Badass logo idea!!! Do it
@bradleytappan781
@bradleytappan781 3 года назад
What tint percent do you have on the civic?
@carlcabalo8823
@carlcabalo8823 2 года назад
Good evening Sir, how do I avail same like that, because I have car Honda civic 2000 model
@DumbassTim
@DumbassTim 2 года назад
If you can can lower mileage does that mean you can raise the mileage as well? I have a 99’ civic with a k24 and manual swap the car was wrecked at 26,000 miles but the engine when I bought it was supposed to be around 75,000 miles so I was wondering if I could raise the miles to around the number of miles the engine has on it so I know exactly how many it has No I’m more than likely never going to sell the car mainly because I’ve put a lot of money and effort into it and it’s a rebuilt title anyway
@alicastro6262
@alicastro6262 3 года назад
If you have a friend from the PH going back to the states you can have an SiR cluster from the PHDM model which amber lights, amber needles, 9k rpm, but has still blue meter rings, the better SiR gauge i think is from Canada which has mph kph readings and an actual SiR logo on the bottom part of the speedometer. Btw also the SiR fog lamps would be nice on your coupe.
@ALLDAYANTHONY
@ALLDAYANTHONY 3 года назад
The SiR cluster is good looking as well
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