I'm constantly trying to optimize things and automate. Work smart, not hard is one of my core goals in life. My favorite saying is one I came up with myself from realization: if I always do my best my best will get constantly better. Because if you don't push yourself to the limits you will never find your limits. We need to hit breaking point to know where it is (not break, just find the point)
Asking oneself if something is "worth their time" is something I've noticed in young xNTJs, that doesn't really appear until waaaaay later in other type's lives
At uni I decided I would get an 8 out of 10 because for some weird reason the professors NEVER give higher than 9/9,5 for great exceptions. So getting those high marks is really time-consuming but they'll throw the 8/B on decent work that takes much less time to study/write. So I aimed for 8/B and spent time accordingly, the rest of the time I was building my CV, board of editors for the uni paper, internal committees etc. My professors quipped that I wasn't serious but I did graduate with that B... 10 years later because I dropped out to take part of the .com boom and made heaps of money. So I think my strategy worked out alright. I'm doing phd research at the moment for fun, not because I need to work.
@@GraceOfTheAtlantic That's a good strategy. Some of the skills learned in school are useful but an A+ really isn't that useful long-term. For me as an ESTJ I always cared about getting good grades because I'm a perfectionist, not because I thought it really mattered.
@@user-vj1ih9cg7xcould mean just enough resources used to get it done at a high enough standard, without using too much or too little. At least that’s how I would think about it and I’m entj
As an INTP, this is nearly a foreign language to me. 😅 ExTJs are honestly fascinating. It’s not so much that I can’t organize (as an adult and mother, this has changed significantly for the better), but my approach is “one day at a time”.
Think about it this way: Days are an illusion. In reality, your life clock is ticking away with every second you waste. So little time and so much to do, since no one else seems to feel like doing it. -an entj
completely foreign, like how do you even speculate so far? I don't even know how my energy levels/productivity is going to be later today, let alone plan so far (and I can't seem to see my plans through, either) I'll just go back to my chill + unorganised day-at-a-time way 'cause it just seems that's how I was wired - intp
I find it fascinating that INTPs naturally gravitate towards least effort, maximum reward in regards to things physical or whatever we must do that we don’t want to do. We do this without thinking… because we just want to be finished with things. If something drags on too long we lose interest and move onto something else. You want the most efficient way to do something, ask a lazy person to do it. We will bend and even break the rules to do it, even if it means using things in unconventional ways.
Thought preceeds Action , love these 3 concepts to me they are common sense.. 1. Sustainability 2. Cause & effect , definitely want to sequence everything ahead , thinking 4th dimensionaly ( tho for me there's too many possibilities so I'm flexible ) 3. ROi. I'm lazy efficient 😂 use least amount of physical effort for biggest pay off These are Gold ✌️ need me Entj friends
Agreed! But there are other ways to focus on ROI, such as combining multiple lessons into one challenge - ie. Deliberately challenging oneself to learn more lessons at once, as opposed to doing more tasks which are less challenging. In other words, deliberately picking harder tasks in order to grow further in the long run - that is also a form of efficiency. Personally, I see greater value in that - but I'm trying to learn that any way can be considered "fine" as long as it gets you to your goal at the end of the day -ENTJ
I'm ENTP and I also think on the longer term... but for things that don't matter like "if I buy this item in my video game, am I actually going to be using it in the long run, or should i save up..." however i don't really plan things out beforehand into a sequence but rather think of possibilities that could happen and decide if I need to go learn how to face them in that moment. when it comes to effort and rewards I don't necessarily care about the highest reward for my effort but that it is at least fair cost and if I won't do more effort just to get more if that's already enough for me...
I'm still annoyed, about two decades later, that I had a boss that thought it was better to under calculate a clients payment to their creditors, thereby making it easier on them until they think they are done paying and then letting them clear up the little messes that come from some interest still being owed; as opposed to doing it the way I was, wherein the full suspected amount of interest was calculated into their payments and, at the end of it all, when we told them they were done they were not only really done but actually getting a small check back from one or more creditors. Of course, that boss was not dealing with the angry letters and form letter responses to the clients that had that "What? But, you told me I was done! Why do I still owe $$$!" shock. Didn't want to listen to me. Constantly upset because I would look them straight in the eye and say "Oh, sorry I forgot. By the way, here's the check from the creditor to give to the client when they come in." Would take credit for it, but would still tell me I was wrong even though it made the client and their creditors happier.
And this keeps me in my head so much. I forget to enjoy the process because I just have to get it done & be satisfied. I think I will work on it my entire life
Sequencing I think about as an ESTJ event planner, it's a good skill to be able to work backwards from an end goal and figure out when things need to be done, that's also useful for cooking. ROI is part of Te so I relate to that too. I don't think about sustainability very much, I'm more focused on whether something works in the short-term, but occasionally I'm keeping in mind what could be changed for next year's event at work, or trying to think whether my lifestyle is sustainable (usually it's not lol)
I just want to point out from the Fi perspective, nothing is "normal." Normal can't be the intrinsic property of anything, cuz normality comes from comparing one object to another. Everyone and everything is unique in and of itself. Defining anything as "normal" only causes more division which has no value in and of itself, cuz we're all one. Therefore, you shouldn't define anything as "normal." Fe people need to be more careful with the wording regarding stuff about F. Causality analysis is great, don't get me wrong, but wording causality to the extent which it becomes some sort of societal standards is inherently problematic.
"Normal" in this context means "I thought everyone does this thing, but It was only me" A thing only only the persons who have the same personality type as me do. If you prefer the title could be : "The things each type thought everyone do, but it is just a thing only this personality type does." Normal can also means : the majority.
#2 feels very estj to me - ENTJ can learn to appreciate process but it’s so low on the priority list - the impact/outcome is the point. We care about the strategy, and we make plans but we want to move to execution and fast - i don’t care about things being done “right” or just being done “one time” - were totally ok to be wrong because we quickly course correct
I think it depends on your interpretation on what sequencing means. If described in the manner you referred to than yes, it does sound like Si. However, I think within this context she is talking about how she "has the end in mind" when starting the task and has the strategy in mind, which sounds more Ni. As such, she notices when people don't have a plan and lack a strategy.
As an entj, I don't like doing stuffs that won't be useful to me. I even skip subjects in school that i don't think r worth LOL... Also I am extreme at time management. Even if im running late, I'll end up doing it in the least amt of time required.
When I wonder if I’m really an ENTJ, I hear things like this and absolutely know I am. For anyone that’s wondering, ROI is Return on Investment. It’s really financial terminology but can easily be used as a concept with anything in life.
an INTJ who's often mistyped as ENTJ here (depending on the questions lol) anw yeah those 3 are relatable. I realised not everyone thinks about those 3 actually, and I come across as intense.
I think the second thing sounds more intj. I never pause. I do the planning as I go along. I often have to do things over. I am still faster than most. But maybe I am not a normal entj?
I think sequence is not as accurate as “scoping”. ENTJs scope and do so quickly and accurately. Then we fill in the blanks as we go along or as data presents itself or if we need to plan next steps. So I think it’s scope then sequence which is also seen as planning stage.
Yes, I'm thinking about the effort/reward of getting out of bed to go get ice cream. I'd have to get up, go downstairs, let the ice cream thaw long enough to dip and give proper mouth texture, and put the dirty dishes in the dishwasher... Never mind, it would take too long and too much effort. Low ROI. Instead, I',ll whine and get my wife to bring me a bowl of ice cream. As ENTJ's, we are superior problem solvers.
