3 Tips for Avoiding Ring Land Failure

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Ring land failure is a serious issue with the EJ257 and EJ255 motors. Today we discuss three different helpful tips in AVOIDING and PREVENTING ring land failure.
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@nickharrison211 8 лет назад

Get a new intake. Tune. Get a new exhaust. Tune. Get a new shift knob. Tune.

@viciousnutritious1925 8 лет назад

You forgot about the air freshener. Gotta get a good tune after that aswell

@nickharrison211 8 лет назад

+Vicious Nutricious lol true.

@evanshanks 8 лет назад

+Vicious Nutricious Yes. Air freshener = tune

@TechAssistant024 8 лет назад

+Nick Harrison Oh you washed your car? Tune.

@nickharrison211 8 лет назад

+Tech Assistant put sticker on car window. Tune.

@iggyc 8 лет назад

Great video. Only thing I would disagree with is the letting your car idle for long periods of time. Most wear occurs during cold starts. The longer your car takes to warm up, the longer you are in that wear zone. Idling your car takes longer for the oil to heat up and properly lubricate. The general rule is let your car warm up for 30 to 60 seconds and then drive. Drive conservatively and don't go into boost until oil temp is up to operational temps. We get temps of -35 degrees celsius here and it would take at least 20 minutes of idling to get it near operating temps. On cold days like that 60 seconds is more than enough to get the oil moving through the motor. 5 minutes of conservative driving and your car is at operating temperatures.

@2ZERO8 5 лет назад

Exactly... at least someone realizes this lol

@ttyyz3731 4 года назад

I agree 5 min on a really cold day is more then enough. 2 min on a normal hot day and just drive low rpm and stay away from boost and ur fine. Synthetic oil heats up quick. 20 min ur just burning gas

@patricknbrooks11 3 года назад

I agree reason to stay out of boost is the theory of the metal of the turbo expanding under heat and giving more room to the rotor correct?

@brother_maleik 2 года назад

Was hoping to see this comment. Letting engine sit when cold starting doesn't help.

@samuelg3586 2 года назад

You got it all wrong.

@apeanutbutterwolf6529 7 лет назад

As a 12 year ASE certified mechanic, I have to say this is an outstanding video! I hope everyone follows the information you gave to a tee. Never buy just anyones racecar, always test them on the way they treat their cars first.

@ehpracing518 8 лет назад

Although Subarus have millions of problems with them, it's just too hard not to love them

@GreatGrandmasterWang 4 года назад

Eric Preciado then what does that make you?

@zachyost8536 4 года назад

And that’s what makes a Subaru, a Subaru.

@kidsythe 3 года назад

They have millions if problems?

@tyree9055 3 года назад

I've owned my '02 WRX since it had 75 miles on it, and I have some complaints... but nothing close to millions. Personally: - Every rock that hit the stock windshield = chip - stock brake rotors had to be turned 2 or 3 times before the warranty ran out (and I replaced them) - clearcoat came off the hood (intercooler) scoop first, then the rest of the car later 😄 - Shop manuals cost $500 - The high and low beams are integrated into 1 headlight assembly (i.e. overdrive issues) - fat, ugly spoiler - body panels so thin and flexible that you dare not sit on them! 😆 - No ability to turn the radio on without turning on the entire electrical system (unlike GM's cars... Hey, they do, do something good! 😅) - tiny foot pedals - catalytic convertor installed in front of the turbocharger (if it fails, it'll blow right into the turbo fans) Other than that, I absolutely love it! I get to go on a roller coaster ride every time I leave the house! 🤣

@evanshanks 8 лет назад

1) MAINTAIN 2) MONITOR 3) MOD Thanks for watching, dudes! Take care of your cars!

@chartervlogs6846 8 лет назад

+Evan Shanks Live, learn and preach brohan

@PickeringCwalk46 8 лет назад

+Evan Shanks fact, using higher octane gas will not doing anything for you engine if it isn't rated for it. If you car takes 87, use 87. It is easy to over octane an engine and cause pre Ignition, doesn't happen often but is possible.

@PickeringCwalk46 8 лет назад

+Evan Shanks Also that was just only a word of advice, you can call me wrong but an I am an auto student in college and a first year apprentice.

@chartervlogs6846 8 лет назад

+240sxAustin pretty sure this video was specifically for the ej motor. I don't think he is arguing that all engines need premium.

@smilepermile888 8 лет назад

+Evan Shanks Thanks for the video. Would FA20s in BRZs also be prone to Ringland Failure when being heavily boosted?

@DoctaM3 8 лет назад

Until you mentioned this, never even know this was an issue. Love the "3M method" Got it. I love these kinds of video because they are really educational. Nice job Evan!

@evanshanks 8 лет назад

💪🏼😎

@JD_JoyrideTV 8 лет назад

Great video and good tips. Ringland failure is such a common problem with subarus that even your guys that keep up and stay on top of everything still have Ringland failure.

@evanshanks 8 лет назад

Thanks for watching, JD! Just trying to help out any way I can. :)

@impreza2010drifty 8 лет назад

+JD JoyrideTV i would imagine that ringland failrue is more on the newer EJ25 motors since everone that ive talked to with baja tubros, forester XT's and Outback Turbos havent had ringland failure

@JD_JoyrideTV 8 лет назад

+Evan Shanks I'm glad you made this video because when I had my STi back in the day no really talked about it...Also one of the reasons I sold it.

@evanshanks 8 лет назад

+JD JoyrideTV Really a huge reason why I did. It's not talked about or researched until it's too late!

@Dragunov302 5 лет назад

What about 2.5i ej253?

@Alvesr2099 8 лет назад

I've literally watched all of your videos since day one, keep up the good work Evan! Was so awesome to hear Touge Tuning in this video, they are the only shop to ever touch my car, very knowledgable and glad to see someone is spreading the word. Thanks Evan

@TougeTuning 8 лет назад

Thanks for the shout out Evan, gotta spread the word so more people can enjoy their Subies.

@christianduverge4644 4 года назад

I just came from your website after reading the article. Now seeing this video it’s literally you article nearly word for word.

@BlakesGarage 8 лет назад

I think I'm about to do a spark plug change. I'm still on the stock ones, great tips.

@hawkeyebootz1695 7 лет назад

All Cars will come with issues. It just comes down to how well you maintain your vehicle

@mopar21 5 лет назад

Woah woah woah too much common sense

@jaredchampagne2752 4 года назад

Not as many as subies

@cam5735 3 года назад

@@jaredchampagne2752 rotary

@TrickyHaze. 3 года назад

@@jaredchampagne2752 BMW 😂

@blakebatchelder2597 8 лет назад

This video had a good refreshing feel to it.

@aidin67 8 лет назад

That bit about mashing the throttle in high gears, good tip. Some people in the Focus ST community don't understand this and get a nice repair bill or at least have to go get warranty work.

@evanshanks 8 лет назад

Thank you! It's one of the biggest points I wanted to make on the video. It hurts much more than people think it does.

@nicb7628 8 лет назад

+Rucifel An issue Mazdaspeeds have been having since '06. It's amazing lol.

@INumba1Stunna 8 лет назад

+Battle Wagon My friend blew his turbo on his MS6. Pretty sure that was why lol ..

@wyattoutlaw2370 5 лет назад

Imho best preventative mod is parallel fuel rails ....you don't even have to buy new ...you can just source a second factory fuel regulator and some fuel hose... then you can just add 2 y-splits one pre / one post fuel rails. To complement this - Id recommend Catch Can Walbro fuel pump bigger injectors Bosch coils (Obviously Get 3 inch turbo back / CA intake - but forget the equal length headers... ive been there , waste of money) Add some boost and get it tuned. Excedy HD clutch & lightened flywheel. Short shift kit. Big ass brembos then you can look at intercoolers and a bigger turbo Then you start throwing money into suspension Then your wife gets really pissed off. Then you buy a motorbike instead.

@redline350zHR 4 года назад

Fuji Wags would i need a catch can for a stock 2011 wrx? Is it fine just how it is? Thanks for any response in advance!

@ghosttape4064 4 года назад

Everything except the motorbike part, unless she really wants you gone, then maybe she would be happier

@Subaruby34 8 лет назад

Hey man, wanna let you know, a major cause of cylinder four ring land failure is due to an improper tune. The fuel delivery to cylinder four was running lean the closer you get to fuel cut, a ECM update from Subaru helped eliminate that, but that didnt always trickle down to Tune shops, not in all cases but it was pretty common, -your friendly neighbourhood Subaru Technician! But good video, explains alot to people!

@antonio0112 7 лет назад

Subaruby hey can I just go to a Subaru and ask them to do the ecm update, or do you recommend just getting a Cobb ap?

@anarcy13 5 лет назад

is there a TSB or Special coverage to get that update done free to the user of the car. Just wondering as ill be picking up a 15-17 sti in the next few weeks

@rockingdrifter17 8 лет назад

Awesome video as always. Great info for anyone who cares about their car, regardless of make and model.

@AlexanderjRei 8 лет назад

Amazing video Evan, this in addition to the Touge Tuning article will really help minimize the likelihood of ringland failure!

@SundayFunday2295 8 лет назад

definitely keeping all these tips in mind. Thanks Evan!

@daveprobert2168 6 лет назад

This was actually a lot more informative than I was expecting, well done!

@timmyzhou1 5 лет назад

Thanks for the tips mate. It's really helpful.

@samiral-said1653 8 лет назад

This is the most useful video u have ever done, please do more of these

@joelbanzhaf2213 8 лет назад

Love this style of video, Evan!

@octurbojoe 8 лет назад

Great vid Evan!! Some of things you explained also prevents bearing failure so it helps twofold.

@8thstpanda 8 лет назад

this was just what I was looking for thanks man!!

@Dc5_jay 8 лет назад

99% of you won't Read this. But the 1% That do. I wanna Wish you A Good Day/Night 😉

@theapplewizard 8 лет назад

+Justin Ruiz you too good sir :P

@ethangee96 8 лет назад

+Justin Ruiz Good day/night to you as well!

@TheGreypay 8 лет назад

thank you. you too

@Dc5_jay 8 лет назад

+Wesley Smith No Prob Man 👍

@Dc5_jay 8 лет назад

+Ethan Gee Thanks!

@rodp1146 4 года назад

Very good, detailed video. Thanks a lot bro

@Red05200 8 лет назад

thanx for the tips bro for real a learn a lot with this 8 min video!

@the1legoguy 8 лет назад

I really like this video, good information Thanks!!

@JesseCarmichaelAutos 8 лет назад

Togue Tuning is located right near me! Awesome video, learned some stuff!

@wolvesonfire1 8 лет назад

wow awesome video! very helpful! I have similar mods and was wondering if you could make a video on the access port and what are good gauges to have and what to look for! love the videos!

@tjlambaes 7 лет назад

Very helpful vid thanks

@naddz12345 3 года назад

You can keep unequal length headers and get a cylinder 4 coolant mod.

@SACO32 7 лет назад

I will now watch this video religiously as I build and tune my WRX!

@sleeper.simulant7327 7 лет назад

Truth with EL headers and downpipe! No one ever believed me about that finally someone who understands lol

@ontariocb5770 4 года назад

So awesome just wacthinh your subaru vlogs now look at you growing more power evan

@johnconstantine635 5 лет назад

Great advice!!!

@realtalk4689 8 лет назад

Very helpful. The car and those wheels look proper with a mean stance. nice.

@evanshanks 8 лет назад

Thank you!

@86T66T123 8 лет назад

Definitely agree with not flooring it at low rpms because I was wide open in fourth then shifted to 5th and it was at about 2500 and I ended up getting rid knock and ended up getting a new motor

@jacobgenesis 8 лет назад

really good information fam, !!

@tysoncoleman3285 8 лет назад

Hey even I own a 2011 WRX and i have a Cobb V3 access port and I want to have oil temp gauge but I can't find the monitor for it and I was wondering if it was listed under another name?

@boomer0475 6 лет назад

cheers.. for this info mate that down shift part answer my question ...

@shawnprickett4099 8 лет назад

Sweet information video Evan very helpful to new Subie owners

@CyberPun 4 года назад

No equal length headers for Subaru. I have always loved the rumble sound. Btw, I have the same hatchback STI as you do Evan. I love it!

@mikeschafer2474 5 лет назад

Great tips!

@SwagKen 8 лет назад

Favorite!! Thanks evan shanks!

@calebjames7314 6 лет назад

I learned my lesson, I have to buy a engine rebuild kit for my legacy gt now. I was a total noob and used mostly 87 for gas and I didn't have a good enough job to afford the good stuff most the time and thought it wouldn't make a difference:( thank God for this video honestly

@jaimecarrasco515 8 лет назад

great info thanks

@MoimoiMCC 8 лет назад

Video so well done I subscribed

@porterobrandon14 8 лет назад

Your My Hero Bro!

@diabeticon87 8 лет назад

Very good tips.

@Itsdjsigi 8 лет назад

Ring land failure was the reason I didn't buy a wrx... Now I want a wrx lol. Good video!

@redline350zHR 4 года назад

Michael get one. I just did (2011 wrx all stock) and fuckin love it

@604parkour 8 лет назад

use shell v power and blend about 5% e85 ethanol to every tank. The ethanol is great to prevent knock while not requiring a new tune.

@htvlogs80 7 лет назад

What if I put a Nameless axle back as my only mod? Should I still be worried about ringlands?

@seewhaatisee 3 года назад

still watching this in 2020 :) just bought a 09 wrx Hatchback sti

@IgOrEcK24 8 лет назад

Got my 06 wrx with 129k on it, its been a year since i own her, still going strong. Thanks for the vid and info. If you will ever be in NYC area let us know. Will make a good cruise lol.

@redline350zHR 4 года назад

Igor Subarist Vlogs any car meets around? Im right outside NYC and just bought a 2011 wrx all stock and would love to talk to someone who knows a lot about these cars!

@guestandsons 6 лет назад

Agreed. I only run V power Shell 99 or in an emergency Tesco 99 petrol in my Forester Sti.

@TWRX_Chuck 8 лет назад

Great tips man! Excellent things to keep the blub blub blub blub alive.

@illwill311 8 лет назад

Great tips for pretty much any turbo car.

@Brandenburg008 8 лет назад

great vid, great info :)

@wrxnate2450 8 лет назад

Intro to EJ motors, brought to you by Evan Shanks. Great advise all around.

@jamesk2299 8 лет назад

@evan shanks this can be said for most turbo cars as well. Focus STs also suffer from this issue.

@ts-vu3dd 4 года назад

The coolant mod is also Important. Make sure you get the oil separator. And if u really love the subi rumble get aftermarket headers that flow more freely on the drivers side head (cyl 2&4)

@joshuathomas4934 Год назад

Maybe if you are running high boost and running the car hard. If you just drive it around normally and get on it every now and then. No need for either of those thing.

@Mr1ZAP1 8 лет назад

Great video! more like it would be sweet

@tougeruzbay 7 лет назад

It is only common in EJ 25 motors not EJ 20s

@ERVINTORKO 8 лет назад

thanks :) are there more videos on how to maintain your subaru sti?

@power12wagon 5 лет назад

Hey do you think its necessary tune just for a down pipe with the stock engine ? Or I can just install the down pipe and no tune couse I know its exhaust not intake that's my question a lot of people say yes some others no

@daveprobert2168 6 лет назад

EJ255 and 257 engines are like the old mazda rotary engines of the past. Can make a heap of power, but somewhat sensitive and fragile.

@thatsmybit 8 лет назад

good video dude. i had a 2005 legacy gt. notorious for blown motors. i went through 2 motors i hated it. i had a access port on it and i found that it added to the oil consumption. after running the motor too lean, intake install, clearly my fault it gave out. i bought another legacy 175k no mods no problem. simple keep it stock it will last forever.

@crusoebower3391 5 лет назад

Thanks bro

@shawnlazureth 4 года назад

What’s the best way to build the ej to get rid of the ring land failure?

@LorenzoLopezConductor 8 лет назад

What air oil separator do you recommend Evan/ anyone reading?

@legendarysixsamurai-shien402 7 лет назад

My life was so simple when I was just driving my automatic naturally aspirated 2.5rs. Luckily I keep it as my daily.

@titleguy1 8 лет назад

(This is me, here.) >Has never owned a Subaru. >Likely will not own one. >Still watches full video because Evan is awesome.

@evanshanks 8 лет назад

*sheds tear*

@clayduval1255 8 лет назад

+titleguy1 Haha same here!!

@chrisolson4988 8 лет назад

(This is me, here.) > dreams of owning a Subaru > will someday hopefully own one > obviously watches entire video because Evan is a G....... Also would not like my motor to blow up in my face if I were to purchase such a vehicle

@sleeper.simulant7327 7 лет назад

This is me> owned 2 subarus> blew up ej255 in first one due to ringland failure plus my headgaskets leaking> Sold the other one> won't buy another one unless fa20t powered

@baktru 7 лет назад

Meh. I'm getting my 3rd Sooby in a few days but mine has an EG33...

@EJL2004 3 года назад

Hey man, good video. I know its a little late in the game, but any chance you can post that article link to Togue Tuning you mentioned?

@anthonycoffey4699 5 лет назад

Buddy of mine had a manual neon, I swear he never shifted above 2,000 rpm & would lug the hell out of it. No wonder it blew up.

@InfinityWax 3 года назад

Great video

@ThePrudence23 4 года назад

what he says and talks about is very important for subaru sti's

@taco6701 7 лет назад

I saw a quick screen shot of an engine when you mentioned catch cans and saw a grimmspeed AOS. Just wondering if you've had any problems with it? I've had me for about 8 months. I'm just curious seeing I've read very mixed reviews

@joshw604 5 лет назад

I drive a '10 WRX, wondering if 1500rpm on 5th gear is too low? I don't floor it by any means but just wondering if that would means its lugging at that rpm

@Flat4CrewCT 8 лет назад

Catch cans and an accessport should be the the first two mods you do IMO. Its amazing how much junk catch cans can stop from going into your motor. EL headers FTW! Subie rumble = death haha

@skibike01 8 лет назад

can you do a video on air to oil separators

@ltsTimmy 8 лет назад

Thanks.

@INumba1Stunna 8 лет назад

I like how easily you explain things. Someone could've easily got all that information, and made a video for only rocket scientists to comprehend. :)

@evanshanks 8 лет назад

Thanks :) I enjoy being able to teach!

@slowassmiata 7 лет назад

Nice vid to get me to know about ring land , I got a question , I got a 12 wrx stage 1 93ot, I do maintain my car but I track my car once a week ,like I drive it real hard, all the mod I got is an aem intake and a Cobb AP, am I gonna get failure ? Or it only happens on sti most of the time ?

@mrfine67 8 лет назад

Are you planning to review the dash cam? or quickly talk about if you like it?

@frogchaser 8 лет назад

Been there, it's kind of a bummer. I planned on running the stock motor in my '11 wrx for a lot longer than I did. I planned on building the motor anyway but it happened sooner than I thought.

@frogchaser 8 лет назад

***** around 20k

@jacksonshelton8055 6 лет назад

With the highway acceleration tip, does this also apply to automatic cars Also is an intake upgrade worth it If I get my dads subaru I just want it to last really long and give okay performance, maybe off-road, but not much racing or whatever. It’s a daily driver so that’s why

@EJL2004 6 лет назад

I can't find the article in the description that he was talking about, just a hell of a lot of social media crap. Good video though! thanks for the sound advice.

@DaneFerolin 8 лет назад

I have the same grimmspeed AOS, how's it performance with a built motor?

@freshkicks8515 8 лет назад

wat air to oil seperator would u recemond. and would it be a good idea to upgrade to forged pistons?

@impreza2010drifty 8 лет назад

i wish i could get an access port for my baja turbo. and also i wish i had simple bolt on stuff that i could do to my car. thankfully haven't had to get my motor rebuilt yet and im at 174k. i have had to get head gaskets done to my car and also a new tubro but those where above 160K.

@ruehlr8985 8 лет назад

Great Info Man~ How much is a typical tune going to cost ? I am planning on tuning mine after I get my ELH and Intake. thanks for the help~

@evanshanks 8 лет назад

Protunes usually run $400-600 if you get them done by a proper tuner!

@MrScooterboy53 8 лет назад

I drive a forester s which still has the 2.5 EJ in it but are the mods still something I can do to my car? Minus the turbo because N/A life :/

@talham709 8 лет назад

Thanks!

@evanshanks 8 лет назад

You're welcome!

@freshkicks8515 8 лет назад

hi I have a 06 hawkeye sti wat kind of air to oil seperator would u recemond. and would it be a good idea to upgrade to forged pistons ?

@luizmakesvideos 6 лет назад

what are some signs that you should change the spark plugs?

@julio26842 8 лет назад

What kinda of places do tunes for Subarus and do u have to go to an actual place or can u do it ur self ?

@thatgtguy6729 8 лет назад

so much like for this video!

@dannysi8919 5 лет назад

Good tips I already knew about warming my car up I never try to drive it cold in weather in 35° and below I’ll let my car warm up about 20 minutes or more. I’m thinking about getting a sti later on this year I hear alot of people being scared of these cars I never hurt any of my cars and I’m not scared to drive a subi everyone has there opinions