Then it was an accurate and true statement, and was a wise tactic to use a defensive assault that prevented the Persian ships to use the fronts of their ships and to attack the Persian ship at the sides ? Yep, real laughable statement.
eh, in reality it was a pretty drawn out, tedious, and unsightly method of warfare.. naval battles only became interesting and entertaining when cannons entered the fold. I mean, think about it, how many scenes of a ship ramming another ship can you string along before it gets repetitive?
Ancient sea battles were plenty violent, but the actual clashes were just part of the months-long games of positioning and maneuvering around bays and islands. Ancient historians often didn't understand what was going on. The Battle of Actium, for example, was seen as Cleopatra deserting Anthony, but it was probably a planned break-out maneuver. There are exciting sea battles in two old movies: The Vikings and Ben-Hur.
Naval warfare was sparce in the middle ages save in the byzantine empire, if im correct some of the first major battles in western europe were between italian trade nations.
300 isn't exactly a bastion of historical accuracy, but I appreciate the use of the javelin in this scene by the Greeks. Bows tend to get all the attention in movies, but javelins were heavily used in ancient warfare. Wish there'd been some use of slings as well.
Slings would have been hard to use in that battle since they would need extra room for the use of weapon. But yes it would be nice if they could show their use in a movie. Cheap to make and ammo is easy to come by.
It's a little bit right, no? The weather was actually bad and the persians lost a lot of their ships in the first 2 days of fighting. Athenian ships are also a lot fewer and smaller than persian ships. The movie was also right about the ambush although i doubt it was the same as in the movie.
It is amazing how everyone of you knows a little bit of greek history!! actually i am crying.. !! i thought we arent so important.. !!! greetings, love and peace froom greece!!
@@general5119 On pitch black nights, we kids would have naval battles out on the lake in canoes. We would listen for the 'enemy' and shoot bottle rockets in their direction. We were influenced by Ben Hur movie of 1959, with Charlton Heston. We often shouted "Ramming Speed". It became a "meme", often meant "pick up the pace".
One thing that they ironically made less badass in the movie is trireme ram spears. Those things were *massive* , the entire ship was basically built around the ram and as they were fast and nimble they could shred bigger ships like paper.
History Chronicler Ramming ships were used by almost all phoenecians and greeks. The romans only managed to defeat the carthaginians at sea by inventing the corvus, a bridge that could be dropped on the enemies ships to let roman melee troops walk across the sea to fight the inferior carthaginian marines in hand to hand combat. Before the invention of the corvus, carthaginian ramming ships tore apart roman fleets.
"Persian ships are strong at the front, but weak at the middle" Bro might as well have just said "if you kill a persian, they die" for all the good that advice does.
No , It’s a good advice. As ramming ships is how naval battles worked in Ancient Greece. Things changed when romans created the corvus and later the byzantines had the “Greek Fire”
LOL what a funny joke, have you read history once, you know in books... Greeks were the nation that relied on slaves like no one else, enslaving people was extremely common.
Yeah probably, but that was l because the Persians did not attempt to change the religions and cultures of the conquered peoples but instead to accommodate all and respect them even though they probably frowned on the slavers
I assume they would, morale is important in battle however I bet each person in command would have to give a speech considering the other ships wouldn't hear 😂
@@Marcus_405 don't get me wrong I LOVE pirate ship battles, Master and Commander was the most hardcore battle ever in my opinion because they actually showed the ships doctor throwing sand on the ground and fixing the other crew mates during the battle as well as the aftermath of the battle with all the ship repair scenes and the MASSIVE battle at the end, absolutely loved it but I'd just like to see more in the way of the changing times like when gun powder was relatively new and Cannon's were near non existent but yeah nah I still love my sea/boat battles O just wished they focused bit more about the time's before we had such things, that's all 👋🙂
Themistocles was a mastermind ancient Greece had exceptional generals that proved that numbers and firepower didn't mean anything Proud and honoured to be a Greek
I would like to see a realistic version of this battle, we know the Greeks won. Junkie XL nailed the soundtrack in this movie, makes it all so much more epic.
Well actually i guess these are Called Monoremes since the Galleys in the movie has a Single set of Oars, Two sets of Oars are Biremes whilst three set of Oars are Triremes.
facken fan of everything greek .i am nerd of history and battles and i seeing ancient greece as the top !!thats why i visiting greece every summer yeahhhh
Athens won battle of Marathon by alone (and 1000 Platean allies) Athens won Salamis naval battle not by themselves only, but they were almost half the fleet and were trained years for this Battle of Platea was won by a combined greek hoplite army but still when Persians retreated to their fort, Spartan asked Athenians to breach it since they were known fort attackers in a time that very few "forts" existed in Ancient Greece Spartans were good hoplites and very very disciplined but they are a little overhyped
WHAAAT? Next you'll say some shit like the Spartans fought with heavy Armour and didn't show their Six-Pack abs while fighting. We all know the Hoplites wore no Armour. That's why they were called Hop-lites and not Hop-heavies.
Artemisia was a real person but she was a queen who fought for her overlord the Persian king. So for those of u who don't know it this war really happend. Only the pesian king didn't want revenge because his father was killed he wanted vengence because Athens helped a rebellion against him so he made Athens feel the burn that he felt when the rebellion happend
True, but you should also mention that it was not just "a rebellion" - it was a rebellion by Greek cities of Ionia (to which Athens owed allegiance and support, as the Ionian metropolis) against their Persian overlords, by whom they had been conquered in the past. Re. Artemisia, I agree - she was also of Greek origin in part and must have been a very interesting character. Herodotus speaks highly of her. And we still use that name for girls in Greece.
yeah its not historical but it conveys the skill and mad bravery of the greeks at salamis you can bet the persians were terrified of them on sea after that, because they only ever lost after this and stopped even trying to fight them
This scene is actually absurd. Another commenter said the scene in Ben Hur is more realistic, so I searched and watched the scene. It is excellent, and captures what it must have been like to be belowdecks and just rowing as chaos and carnage goes on above and outside.
@@bryanhickernell7189 I dunno, man. The main character in this movie gives one prior to like, every battle in the movie. You might be right though. In 300, we get a bunch of speeches about Democracy, and how Sparta leads the way in that department. Which is weird, because the Spartans had a weird caste system where only citizens could vote, and you had to be both Spartan by birth and serve in their military to be a citizen. They also had slaves, which I believe they called 'Helots.' They had no rights whatsoever, and one of a Spartan soldiers final tests before they graduated into the military was to sneak out at night, murder a Helot and not get caught. That's some odd Democracy right there.
@@JohnSmith-mk1rj what makes it even more hilarious is that most of the things said by the Spartans in 300 were actually historically said. When the Persian said our arrows will blot out the sun? The Spartans actually said then we will fight in the shade. It’s real funny. The Spartans were basically action heroes on crack lol
@@bryanhickernell7189 this is true. I know when one enemy of the Spartans sent a letter to them containing wild threats, saying stuff like, 'If we defeat you we will salt your fields,' the Spartan king sent back a one word reply that just read 'If.' 😄 I believe that brevity and humor were things they were actually schooled in, which is pretty crazy. But...everything about the Spartans was pretty crazy, and their whole, 'We never take one step back' attitude actually led to their eventual downfall. They literally ran out of dudes to send to war. When Spartans lost a battle, their army would be destroyed down to the last man, and you can't win them all. Thermopylae was a battle for the ages, however, and I know a statue of Leonidas still stands there; although it was 2 generations of Spartan kings that fought the Persians. Leonidas' dad was the guy who kicked the Persian messenger dude down the well when they came and asked for 'earth and water.' But yeah that really happened. The movie also got Ephialtes (I know I got that wrong) - the dude that betrayed the Spartans - and his goat path flanking maneuver correct, although I doubt he looked like he did in the movie. He did betray the Spartans though. The first and second '300' movies are big fun, and I enjoy them. They may have an only tenuous grasp of actual history, but it's enough to get people like me to go watch history documentaries and read books about the whole thing and whatnot, and that's pretty cool.
@@JohnSmith-mk1rj which is why I think the original 300 is better for the speeches because they were actually made so ya know more epic. The party before the final battle at thermopyalae that actually happened too but it’s one of those things where the truth is actually worse then the movie lol. The Spartans literally got naked and bronzed themselves to get themselves ready for the underworld
since am Ancient Greek armor fan I would like to point out how perfectly those "helmets" these guys wear are desing to help the enemy stub them in the mouth or back of the neck.
+Rick Gauger Greeks defeated the Persians at the end of the day. Yet you want to criticize the movie over obvious jealousy. No movie ever made based on Historical events was made 100% accurate. It's a movie made to entertain, not the fucking history channel. You're only criticizing it because it's Europeans. A less advanced civilization at the time defeated a super advanced super power at the time and you can never take that away.
Except they didn't need that ridiculous shit. The triremes were more maneuvrable than the larger Persian vessels, and the Persians kind of needed to get the Greek fleet out of the way - and thus would've attacked regardless. If these tactics usually worked, they would've been employed all the time.
Note-Athens had the first triremes where it goes 3 times faster. And also had the strongest man hold the biggest one, this is weird because the dont have triremes of course this is a movie but just to note
Τριήρης , triremes , were the superweapon of it's era . Strong frame , designed to RAM bigger but weaker ships , BRONZE RAM , it was a man propelled torpedoe , cutting ships into half . And they had a sale that is not shown here :P I am glad that non greeks like assassintwinat8 actually do know some details about real history and not Hollywood inventions :P Oh and guess what , at Salamis , unlike in the movie , Kicked ASSES , their ships ruined the Persian Fleet !!!!
Giannis Kavala My half Brother is Greek, and he taught me ancient history when i was growing up, he is very proud of it himself. But then again, the whole western world does kind of owe their existence to the Greeks.
Yep especialy Galleys of the Mediterrenian. There is a Reason why Viking ships never Carried any kind of rams, because the last thing you would ever want to See in a Storm as a Captain is a 2 meter long Bronze made ram pushing the Ships bow underwater. And on earth how these soldiers arent falling from the deck made of Angled wood? And where are the Sails anyways?
Ω, παίδες Ελλήνων, ίτε Ελευθερούτε πατρίδ’ ελευθερούτε δε παίδας, γυναίκας, θεών τε πατρώων έδη, θήκας τε προγόνων, νύν υπέρ παντών αγών... This is the glorious oath of the ancient Greeks at the battle of Salamis. Translate Oh,children of the Greeks,Today you fight to free your nation,your children,women,the temples of the Gods and the graves of your ancestors.Now,is the battle for EVERYTHING.
people can say what they want about this movie, this this scene alone was probably the most epic/badass fight/music scene i've ever seen in movie history
Themisticles was real, the Persians attempted to invaded in 490bc but the Athenians repelled them in the battle of Marathon. I could carry on but I think you get the jist historical accuracy depends on how specific you're going to be
+Paulo Xavier Pinheiro Cadavez - De Flexo the greeks or spartan used to wear full armor and werent 300 hundred in the first movie they were more than 11000 in this the second movie were more then that.
+jiN kan yeah spartans and athenians wear full armor, and in the 300 movie those were not the true spartan army those were king Leonidas personal bodyguard cuz the spartan has a occasion or something that their army is forbidden to fight