300 Win Mag vs 300 PRC | Ballistics Comparison

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@anonymousdude6493 6 месяцев назад

This dude narrates like the ballistic version of Morgan Freeman. Job well done. I learn so much from Mr. Spomer.

@leeeng478 5 месяцев назад

Morgan Freeman has big hand spoomer has little hands.

@brandonrobertson6327 2 года назад

The great .30cal race to the top. Will somebody just go ahead and neck down a .50BMG case for a .30cal and get this over with 🤯

@bmxriderforlife1234 2 года назад

I saw a joke about a 50bmg necked down to .22 A 30cal or even slightly larger would be a good idea though for something designed specifically for really long range shooting. Could load it lighter. Making it legal in more countries along with not being a 50 anymore. Reduce recoil and use the length of the cartridge to set it up for really really good ballistics coefficient.

@buddyrevelle736 2 года назад

Probably get about 50 shots before your rifle is s smooth bore 😂

@randall3241 Год назад

well they is a wildcat that is just say a short 50 they cut the case down and necked it to a 30 cal

@joseywales8257 5 месяцев назад

@bmxriderforlife1234 It was done in the late 80's or early 90's at a place called Ft Hood. DU was milled down to .30 cal and loaded into sabots into .50 bmg casings. DU requires around 7000 fps to achieve what the mission called for. The Barrett is still on base with 1,200 rounds of the custom ammo

@cheryltysver4819 3 месяца назад

Interesting comment. After numerous conversations with two of the top people that work with both small and medium to large caliber weapons systems for both industry and the DOD... getting to 7,000 fps in small arms or tank guns...is easier said than done. Turning (or machining) DU requires rather special provisions as well. They may have possibly found a way around the hyper velocity gouging that starts to be a problem in the low to mid 6,000 fps range (see: EML IEEE Transactions in Magnetics) but I am not aware of anything being fielded in gun launched weapons systems that has made it into the open (versus possibly classified) literature. In powder driven guns there was a definite threshold reached before 6,500 fps...in my experience with both .30 and .50 caliber variants, and it wasn't hard to find (think close to 95 - 100% of the shots exhibited gouging)! And you better not overlook it when it happens with a follow-on shot! Also, I recommend ADPA/NDIA conferences and publications, along with IEEE... for reliable information in these areas. P.S.:. There was a smooth-bore .50 caliber fletchette rifle and ammunition developed utilizing a DU APFSDS penetrator that was looked at in the 60's to 70's that would have had extremely good external ballistics and was said to be able to defeat 2 feet of concrete...but there might have been some undesirable side effects to carrying around any quantity of unshielded gamma-emitters!d@@bmxriderforlife1234

@hammerheadms 2 года назад

At least I know I can can almost always find 300WM on the store shelves. Can't go wrong with the old reliable Win Mag.

@TexanUSMC8089 2 года назад

Load your own ammo. Problem solved.

@redrock425 2 года назад

If I was a hunter I'd just go 300 Win Mag. Easy to find factory ammunition, no need to worry about reloading as you don't shoot lots of round like target shooters.

@hammerheadms 2 года назад

@@TexanUSMC8089 some of us don't have the time, space, or tools to be able to do that. It's not like it's a cheap hobbie to get into either.

@hammerheadms 2 года назад

@@redrock425 exactly. The majority of hunters don't need more than a 180gr. bullet in .30cal anyway. We have elk and bear here in Michigan, but they tend to run smaller than their western cousins. For me, I rarely use anything more than 165gr. In 300WM. 7mm08 is what I use for everything else. If I were to venture out west for some elk I'd go with heavier bullets.

@redrock425 2 года назад

@@hammerheadms I reload but as you say it's not cheap to get set up for centrefire rifles. I target shoot so it's worth it, but modern factory ammunition for hunting is very good these days.

@Dfour 2 года назад

So in short. A 300prc factory load beats a 300wm hand load Hand load both, 300prc widens the gap because you can use 230g and 250g

@redrock425 2 года назад

If you have a factory chamber on the WM. If it's custom throated the WM may just have the edge.

@duanesamuelson2256 2 года назад

@@redrock425 depth of long heavy bullets in the powder charge for the WM...this causes pressure differences that are the bane of long range target shooters. Unless you are going to be shooting at 1000m regularly there isn't a reason to go with the PRC and if you are then the PRC wins from bullet seating.

@angrysheepdog9744 Год назад

As Paul Harrell would say "not enough difference to make a difference." I would have liked to see ULD ballistics out to 1500 or 1750 yds

@larrysayers1377 2 года назад

Love these cartridge reviews and comparisons. Sure brings things into perspective and some balance on practicality. I have owned dozens of rifles in the last 50yrs and I have found that sometimes it gets hard to sell off a gun if it's not popular caliber. Example, I had a Browning BLR in 7mm WSM that I was trying to sell but people only wanted a 7mm Rem Mag. I ended up trading that gun for another one at a gun show which was a fair deal. However, for the next couple years, I kept seeing that same guy with that same gun on display at several gun shows and I don't know if he ever did sell it. I just kept avoiding eye contact.

@NELLY-jg2rx 2 года назад

Lol I agree but you just need to find the right guy, I would absolutely LOVE a BLR in 7WSM

@ertatta 2 года назад

Those WSM & SAUM chamberings are making quite a comeback in the long range precision world whether for hunting or purely target.

@prone_wolf8871 2 года назад

I'm building a wsm in the short action..... And if I get to a point(I might) that I need more for elr. Then I'll go with a longer action

@ertatta 2 года назад

@@prone_wolf8871 all the 7 SAUM shooters seem very excited about the new Big Horn medium action.

@prone_wolf8871 2 года назад

@@ertattajust built my first custom. Terminus action,Proof barrel in 6.5 cm. Jp enterprises chassis. Nightforce atacr 7x35...thing is a shooter and I'll probably never go for a factory rifle again hahaha. Since it's a hand tight barrel setup... I intend on getting a 300 or a 7 wsm barrel for it when I reach the limits of the Creedmoor... If I need more after that will probably go to a medium action or long.... But I set this gun up to be my elr fun rig. So I have a 70 moa base... I think with the base and scope I should be able to get out to 2700 ish yards hahaha... But the goal for this winter is a mile with the creed. And 750 yards for 22 lr 😆

@The_Draque Год назад

300 PRC for when you want to hit an Elk with the power of Thors Hammer

@ruthlessone3k 2 года назад

Absolutely agree. I've got experience on both the 300 PRC and the 300WM. I'm currently using the 300 PRC and loving it. I also fall into the "unless" category. I've managed to stretch it out to a mile on an 18" round plate so far with great success. However, I often suggest the 300WM to others, because most simply aren't going to use it in a way to appreciate the benefit. Especially if they are strictly hunting with it. At the shorter distances(

@equalleftrights3130 Год назад

And what is the reason the bullet can't be seated the same length for the win mag? I load 225gr elds for my win mag even longer than any 300 PRC. I looked at the 300 PRC, but went for the real deal, 300 Norma Magnum. I haven't seen any factory PRC going at 2960fps with 225gr elds like I send them out of my Bighorn TL3 LA win mag. This BS about the 300 PRC benefits over the 300 win mag have to stop. The only benefits are for those that don't reload and if you dont reload, you should stay out of these discussions.

@qh4007 Год назад

Ok mr you go and know it all

@Sean-pw3yr 2 года назад

I went from 300 WM & Weatherby Mag to 300 PRC just to get away from reloading belted cartridges. 300 PRC is a dream to load, that alone was enough for me.

@tatsuhirosatou5513 Год назад

I've never had an issue with loading belted cartridges or even noticed a difference

@Sean-pw3yr Год назад

@@tatsuhirosatou5513 one less step on non-belted cartridges.

@tiputipu777 Год назад

@@Sean-pw3yr and what step is that? I load 308, 6.5 needmoor and 300 wm and load all of them the same. I set the fl die on the wm in a way that it headspaces from the shoulder.

@z1berzerker Год назад

Nice to know 🙂 for the future reference Thank you for the insight 👍... I reload about 50% of the time

@Sean-pw3yr Год назад

@@tiputipu777 a FL die doesn’t resize down to the belt, if you keep resizing it will develop extra brass above the belt, if you want to circumvent this and get brass life collet belt sizer, it’s an extra step and one I prefer to avoid as it’s time consuming. I can get better performance out of non belted cartridges and to be perfectly honest I don’t believe 300 win needs a belt, it was a marketing ploy for the times when “belted” cartridges were the hot thing.

@BBQDad463 2 года назад

Thank you for another GREAT comparison. 👍 If I were 19 instead of 69, I would probably want a .300 PRC, instead of a .300 Win Mag. However, the .300 Win Mag is what I have. I'm not a long-range target-shooter. 300 to 400 yards is as far as I ever intend to shoot. Thus, I cannot justify the time, effort, and expense of adapting to a whole new cartridge whose performance is almost indistinguishable from my existing rifle. Shucks, I guess I could drag out good ol' Uncle Jimmy's .300 Weatherby Magnum if I truly felt the need for that scosh-teenth more. Again, thanks for this excellent, fascinating comparison! I truly appreciate the ballistic details, which make for a totally B.S.-free presentation. You present opinions and conclusions logically based on facts. I like that. Great work!😎👍👏

@TheGodSchema Год назад

Age is in the head bud. 69 is the new 30.

@patrickferrell8149 2 года назад

Chris Kyle had no long range accuracy issues with the Win Mag ;). Another great comparison. Thank you Ron.

@secretsquirrel1534 2 года назад

Unfortunately the .300 PRC was Not around while Chris was Alive . I am absolutely certain that Chris would of Loved shooing the .300 PRC . I personally miss Chris a lot one hell of good guy !

@Adamu98 2 года назад

@@secretsquirrel1534 no doubt he would love the 300 prc.

@PatriotPaulUSA 2 года назад

@@thorseim7177 I gave up counting all the gun manufacturers making 300PRC , It was quite a few. I have an old 300WBY Mag and let me tell you. I dont miss loading those belted magnum cases which are a PITA. The 300PRc gets rid of all that and is easy to load , can take a 250 grn bullet, I can actually use the mags instead of trying to do all this with a 300wm and loading 1 round at a time , That is if I can find one with a chamber big enough to take it.

@snookmeister55 2 года назад

@@PatriotPaulUSA give me a case that causes no trouble

@actionjksn 2 года назад

@@PatriotPaulUSA So you're saying that to load a 300 WM that performs similarly to the 300 PRC that the 300 WM will not fit in the magazine because it's too long? I hadn't thought of that but it makes sense.

@rangetime6779 2 года назад

Your video was spot on! I've been shooting and reloading the 300 WM for 45 years. It's been the best hunting round taking coyotes, pronghorn, deer, elk and caribou. I can load heavy bullets out to single feed lengths and they work great as long as the SG is 1.5 (spin stability). Neck size belted magnums will increase your case life. If I wasn't so invested in 300 WM I'd definitely get the 300PRC. The faster twist rate and tighter SAMI specs make it the superior cartridge .

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 года назад

Thanks Range. Sounds as if you've gotten your money's worth out of the 300 WM.

@arcticminer32 2 года назад

I agree plus I have taken to the above mentioned game many grouse and turkeys. However, I preface that they were head shots. While deer hunting with another hunter with a .300 mag we encountered a flock of legal turkeys. Immediately, he was bemoaning the fact that his .22 mag was back at ranch house about 5 miles away. I told him that I always used my .300 on everything but migratory water fowl. Without hesitation he blasted that bird. It seemed like it rained feathers for about 15 minutes. I was in shock because it looked like that turkey had went through a wood chipper and reduced it to one to two inch pieces. Also, I guess I did not convey the telepathic message of shot placement. I assumed that everyone aims at a vital non-edible spot. That Remington 180 grain Core Lokt nuked that bird. No wonder the military used the .300 for sniping.

@bobgyetvai9444 2 года назад

When rebarreling or set back Mansons New Optimized Chamber reamer corrects the 300 win mag for outstanding preformance . No need for the PRC in all honesty .

@arborist460 2 года назад

@@arcticminer32 done that with a knight inline as a kid..bird floatin down the river I held a spot he’d cross and wham! looked like old nam footage of a missle strike in the delta….50 cal over 100gr of pyrodex..

@actionjksn 2 года назад

@@bobgyetvai9444 That sounds great but it's not going to help the spin rate needed for stabilizing those longer bullets.

@ericcraver4908 2 года назад

I was just telling my buddy how we needed a 300prc. Of course he asked why. I answered "because".

@404nitro 2 года назад

For efficiency , not to mention pure nostalgia, I stick with my 300 H&H over all of them, and I do own a beautiful 300 Win Mag.

@georgewhitworth9742 2 года назад

.300 H&H's are great! My Remington 721 is awfully smooth and simple, couldn't ask for more. Plus, got for a steal for seven hunderd bucks! Pretty happy about that, considering the cost of other .300 H&H rifles, haha

@404nitro 2 года назад

@@georgewhitworth9742 Mine is one of the 1983run of Rem 700 Classic Limited Edition rifles. I got it for $700 as well about 7 or 8 years back. It came with a nice Burris 3X9 scope and quality rings too. It looks like brand new still, even though it is almost 40 years old. Love the 300 H&H. It'll equal the 300 Win in performance across the board and in some cases it'll beat it a little and it feeds so smoothly. My first one was a custom rifle built on a M-70 action. I wish I still had that one too.

@williammcclelland6789 2 года назад

Very classy indeed!

@talisikid1618 2 года назад

300h&h is great for hunting & appreciation. Never interested in 300win. But the 300prc is great for longer range.

@davidbrock1565 2 года назад

Plus one for the 300 h&h!

@bobgyetvai9444 2 года назад

The whole long range movement truthfully isnt doing hunting in general any favors . Its ruining the scope market for good Useable lower power scopes !!! Guys start equateing paper to hunting directly and thats not so for the majority of it . My 300 WM is quite safe for whats its intended , i.e. a harder smack at more reason able ranges that ethics truthfully require in the field .

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 года назад

Oversized scopes are one of my pet peeves. I understand application for targets, but putting them on a hunting rifle?

@bobgyetvai9444 2 года назад

Ron Spomer outdoors totally agree !!! At 6x the view through a scope is the Same at 400yds as it is standing there looking at a deer 75yds away . Ive never felt the need to pick out exactly which 2 hairs i was gonna put my bullet between with a scope i can see Mars with !!!

@DanielBoone337 2 года назад

I think you hit the nail on the head with this one... As I've said on lots of these 30cal videos I'm not the biggest fan of any of them but if I wanted to get something in it, it would probably be the PRC but that's because I like shooting steel at long range just as much as I like hunting and I tend to gravitate to guns configured so I can do both even if I have to pull the stock for hunting and drop my barreled action in a different stock or even a chassis. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!

@Master...deBater 2 года назад

Hmmm...300WM has been the king at 1000yds for decades. And an even better hunter in the field. LOL...I remember when everybody said the 300WSM would dethrone the WM! And then it was the RUM...LOL! Where are they now???

@alexmills1329 Год назад

@@Master...deBaterthe RUM is a beast of a cartridge, just not a good idea for a hunting rifle.

@garrytalley8009 6 месяцев назад

@@Master...deBaterNew calibers are never going to dethrone a proven cartridge. Like it or not the 300 PRC is a better designed cartridge. Much work went into the design, and it does what it was made to do shoot heavy for caliber bullets with a more efficient case that is more forgiving to even work a load for. It has a market. However, the newer 7mm PRC outperforms it. We will have to see if it in fact has an effect on the 300 PRC's sales. Only time will tell. Personally, any cartridge without a belt is better than any with a belt. When you have a good shoulder belt are unnecessary and often that is a weak spot and they split after multiple reloading if the headspace is even slightly off. BTW records get broken as time goes by with people using better equipment.

@Master...deBater 6 месяцев назад

@@garrytalley8009I do like the PRC...I just think it's a product in search of a market...rather than an answer to an existing demand. It does nothing that the 300wm can't do. With heavy bullets the win mag actually has better velocities. The only real difference is that the PRC houses the bullet outside the case...while the WM houses it inside. Which in the end is 6 of one, half dozen of another. The PRC has less case capacity...but the bullet in the WM takes up some powder space. As far as the belt is concerned...most handloaders simply headspace off the shoulder in both cases...rendering the belt a non-issue. I never Fl resize my brass...I simply bump the shoulder back a couple thou which prevents working the belt area altogether. And keeps my brass fireformed to the chamber for optimum accuracy. I also load my bullets out to max mag length which negates any ogive issues on long, heavy bullets. The 300wm does everything the PRC can do...yet does it in a standard length action rather than having to jump to a mag length action. Which can negatively affect accuracy.

@garrytalley8009 6 месяцев назад

@@Master...deBaterWe all have our opinions. Every new cartridge is made for a reason. The PRC family of cartridges are designed to be more efficient, and they are. They do have a drawback as far a feed ability. But they are easier to make a load for, make a better chamber seal because of the shoulder and they have a shorter burn column. And for general hunting purposes at most usual ranges all the existing hunting cartridges do the job. It is not searching for a market. The market is doing well with the 7mm PRC as well as any. There really isn't a debate on any of these cartridges. Now if you want one that never took off there are a few like the 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum. You will have no debate on that one either. Priority case, no reloading dies, and it's been out for 7 years, and I had not even known that until recently. Looks like it is not bad, but Weatherby wanted to stick with that silly shoulder design and a belted case. Very huge mistake. Have fun debating. No debate here.

@bhcfam 2 года назад

So... if you have a 300 Win Mag keep it even for long range stuff fur or steel but if you are in the market to purchase a 300 Class cartridge look to the 300PRC for the all around weapon.

@PatriotPaulUSA 2 года назад

Yes

@geoffball9547 2 года назад

Excellent video comparing hunting bullet to hunting bullet. The PRC shooter is likely to load 225 gr or 230gr Match bullets with G1 BC .823 where it will outperform by a larger margin at distance. At least on paper the PRC should also shoot some really small groups.

@rkm237 2 года назад

Exactly, Geoff, and loading a 220gr 0.654 BC1 round in a 300WM is going to be over the max OAL... of course many magazines will still work with it - but you're not comparing apples to apples. Looking on Hornady's Match loadings, they offer a 178gr ELD Match with G! 0.547 for the 300WM, but a 225gr with 0.777 G1 for the 300 PRC... that is a HUGE terminal difference in drop and windage.

@ertatta 2 года назад

I guess with custom rifles twist rates aren’t an issue, but you aren’t gonna find a 1:8 in a WM factory rifle. That’s where the PRC really would shine in a factory offering. Being able to stabilize those longer pills.

@geoffball9547 2 года назад

@@rkm237 Kevin, I think Ron is great and love his videos, but if he did some hand loading of long range precision rounds it would open up a window into a world that an increasing number of us enjoy. If you can shoot out you can shoot in, but if you only shoot in then going out is going to be a real problem. But Ron does mention it will make you a better shooter.

@orr89rocz Год назад

Why does any cartridge need to be contained to book spec saami lengths? Idk why ppl seem to think you cant load a long bullet in a 300 win mag lol ive loaded them to 3.52 mag lengths just fine and they work great. A berger 215 hybrid and h1000 in a win mag is the best combo going for both hunting and target

@Grizzly406 Год назад

The hitting power out of the PRC is enough to knock the snot out of a elk/moose. I’ll take the PRC just for the power and accuracy. Idc if I’m slapping targets at 900 yards.

@Dave-cf2ng 2 года назад

I shoot 215 Berger’s and 245 Berger’s in my prc and 215s in the win mag. Pretty much the same thing, whatever floats your boat.

@robcullen9984 2 года назад

Hi Ron, great info as per normal and couldnt agree more I recently looked into winmag and prc and bought a bergara 300prc purely because i would like to get into longer range shooting down the track, have been shooting lithgow 308 out to 1000 and really enjoying it to date. A workmate also bought a Bergara at the same time in 300WM for hunting camel and buffalo , we had both gone out together with new guns for break in and sighting at 100m and it was pretty much apples for apples with no noticeable difference. To date after 9 months i have not fired a factory round through mine as there is none available in west oz, even brass was painful as i had to buy lapua as thats all i could get - very exy. Workmate had no problems getting WM factory ammo up to 220g, The 300prc theory is all great with heavy slugs ,i have been using 220 hdy so far but i started thinking about the whole deal when i loaded up some excess sierra 308tmks 178g and thought that with the smaller projies in 300prc there will be a pretty big jump to the lands, yet to test and more an experiment but i do think it would limit choices of higher velocity lighter hunting rounds compared to WM with shorter throat Hopefully me and workmate can get out to do 1000m comparison between the two in the near future. Anyhow , my 2 cents is if you dont handload and if in Oz , dont buy a PRC, apart from that i luv mine and enjoy wasting lots of money finding the perfect handload for it . PS im finding costs lots more than the 308 handloads lol Thanks Ron Cheers Rob

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 года назад

Thanks Rob. Let us know if you find advantages in the PRC at 1,000.

@actionjksn 2 года назад

What is Oz?

@robcullen9984 2 года назад

@@actionjksn Hey mate, Oz is just short (Slang) for Australia Cheers Rob

@bustabass9025 Год назад

@@robcullen9984 Yeah, I didn't think you were shooting camels in Wyoming. Buffalo maybe.

@TexanUSMC8089 2 года назад

Making a cartridge more accurate doesn't just benefit long range target shooting, it's just as beneficial for hunting. In modern times we have much more complex test equipment and computers. They discovered that seating a bullet so that the boat tail goes down into the shoulder and the rest of the bullet is above that creates a much more consistent and accurate cartridge. Don't seat the bearing surface of a bullet past the neck. Seating a bullet deep into the case below the shoulder isn't a great idea. Most older cartridges were designed that way though. 7 rem mag is one of my favorite cartridges, and all factory ammo is seated deep. I normally load all my ammo though.

@Mtpumpkinsman 2 года назад

Been trying to decide between these for my new rifle, great timing on the video and gives some serious food for thought. Normal hunting ranges, very close between these other then more ammo options woth the 300 win mag.

@mattevans-koch9353 2 года назад

Thank you Ron for the comparison. Love my .300 WM as well as my 7mm RM. If I was still shooting and hand loading I would love to try out the.300 PRC. Always had the most fun working up loads for cartridges and rifles. Take care and have a good weekend.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 года назад

Thanks Matt.

@johnwolfen4243 2 года назад

Thanks Ron: I'll stick with my 300 WM. I have trouble seeing a gray or brown deer or pronghorn at 300 yards. I use good glass and sit behind that glass a lot. Trying to pick out most game animals past 300 yards is very difficult. You are correct if I where to also use my rifle for long range target shooting I could see me going up to the 300 PRC. On a range, I know where the targets are and how far they are. unlike a game animal on the open range.

@WesternReloader 11 месяцев назад

You can load a 300 win mag well passed SAAMI COALand still be more than 20 thou off the lands. 300 win mag is as good as PRC if you hand load, it’s actual a little faster, but if you want factory ammo then yes PRC

@sheepdawg6946 2 года назад

With the ammo and reloading difficulty today, I would stick to the 300 win mag maninly because I have a better chance of finding brass and availble ammo. Those two cartridges are too close to chose one or the other.

@Keifsanderson 2 года назад

Nevermind brass and bullets. I can't find primers and powder.

@pbgd3 2 года назад

@@Keifsanderson right I think this may be backwards. Right now if yoi can find primers and powders the rare bird brass amd rarebird bullets can be located. Ive been shooting more 28 and 16 gauge than 12 and 20 because I load less shot and powder and the cases and wads are available.

@CrackerFL 2 года назад

Thks Ron for ALL your videos. The way you break things down in a simple way is awesome!

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 года назад

Thank you Mr. Railey.

@joracer1 2 года назад

Ron I enjoy you videos. Your commentary is greatly appreciated. I have a challenge for you. It will be a hassle but will challenge all your shooting abilities, your knowledge of your preferred rifle choice while hunting. Here it is, 5 days no matter what conditions, 5 different targets at various unknown ranges from 60 to 500yds only one cold bore shot per day. Only measure the true distances after the shot. You can range with you scope reticle.. Challenge is to keep all 5 shots with in a 5" circle. What do you say?

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 года назад

I'd say that's a great training/testing regimen, but I'm not tackling it under current conditions. Three feet of snow! But maybe next spring! Good idea.

@vernonlarson7016 2 года назад

@@RonSpomerOutdoors hi Ron. I was hoping that u would do another 300 PRC and put it against a 30 Sherman mag. It's a 300 prc Ackley improved round. What's cool about the 30 Sherman mag is that a person can fire 300 prc threw it like a 280 Remington threw a 280 ai. Thanks Ron. I have a 30 Sherman mag on a Batt action with a 30 bartline barrel. My new long range hunting and target rifle.

@logantaylor326 2 года назад

300 prc all the way, should’ve compared it with the weatherby over the win mag, cause its better than the win mag, I mean you made a 777 yard shot with a 6.8 western and a 300 win mag is better than that, so a PRC, is that much better than that, so if you wanna hunt long range get the PRC, it’s makes it a lot easier

@robertlocke7711 2 года назад

Could you please do a video on the 22 grendel. Wild cat

@jetthreat5000 2 года назад

If you’re a hand loader, there’s no real reason to buy/chamber a 300WM over a 300 PRC regardless if you are using it for a target or hunting. Getting away from the belted magnums decreases the chances of case head separation. Unless your loading with Peterson’s Long 300WM cases, you’re gonna stretch the standard 300WM case by .015”+ in the first firing alone.

@PatriotPaulUSA 2 года назад

Exactlty, Well said!

@Longtrailside 2 года назад

For hunting and ammo availability 300wm. For making money/living from shooting matches 300prc. Its a niche caliber because there really is no difference at ethical hunting ranges. Its only better out past any known ethical range of hunting. Paper and steel targets dont move, animals do.

@TexasTrained 2 года назад

300 PRC is my pick...2miles is my lick.lol I started out shooting 270 Win. Then went to 7mm Rem Mag. Then got involving range precision with 6.5 Creedmoor. Later I wanted a little more and changed to 6.5 PRC. Then my buddy got me into a mile plus and I went to 300 PRC. I LOVE IT. GREAT VIDEO RON.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 года назад

Sounds like a natural progression, Trey. I like ringing steel out to about 1,000, but after that the mirage etc. sort of takes the fun out of it for me. But glad you're enjoying it.

@jimmiefarris4218 2 года назад

I love the 300win.mag. It's a go getter.Finding ammo is also easier.

@markofwisconsin Год назад

A large gun dealer in my area said the biggest problem with the 300prc, and many of the other new rounds (i.e. 6.8 Western) is ammo or even brass availability. That's a hard sell for allot of people when you can't even roll your own!

@brydengudbranson2728 2 года назад

Great video Ron, I'm happy I didn't drink the PRC cocktail.

@magnumcipher4971 2 года назад

The venerable ole .300 Winchester Magnum has always had its haters, but it’s proven to be a versatile performer able to change with the times. I have a few rifles chambered in it ranging from a 24” M77 Mark II, a Weatherby stainless Mark V, a pre ‘64 Model 70, and last year I built a 27” 1:9 twist Crown Ridge Barrel Works Remage Model 700 Remington in a MDT chassis that I reload 230 grain A-Tips for and reach out to a mile or a little more. The .300 WM has always proven itself to be a winner despite its so called shortcomings.

@jasonlopez4855 2 года назад

Ruger M77 mark ii SS from the 90's Is my best shooting 300 win mag rifle Never seen one problem with the M77 Rifles.👍🏽

@williambarnes4612 2 года назад

Isn’t the most efficient 300 magnum in terms of velocity gained per grains of powder burned the 300 wsm?

@theoriginalDAL357 2 года назад

Good question; I'd like to know that also.

@rkm237 2 года назад

This is an interesting question for a few reasons - I have never heard of this measure, and I assume it'd only apply to muzzle velocity because bullets / cartridges vary obviously. I'd think you'd want to look at muzzle energy really that way you could compare different bullet weights. I'd also be interested (if such a table exists) of "efficiency per chamber pressure" because a few new calibers are using higher chamber pressures, and maybe that way you could compare older cartridges back from the day when the steel didn't allow such high numbers. But maybe double-base powders might make that hard to compare...

@williammcclelland6789 2 года назад

Very good question indeed. I believe that I would place my money on the .300 H&H.

@jdirt1982 2 года назад

Blumpy??

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 года назад

I don't know the formula for figuring that, Mr. Barnes, but I do know that the more powder you burn, the less efficiently it is converted to MV. This has never concerned me because the cost of a few grains of powder weren't going to prevent me from shooting/hunting. I realized early on that if I wanted to go fast, I'd have to pay the price. With cars, bicycles, and rifles. If you come up with the formula, please share it with us!

@exothermal.sprocket 2 года назад

One consideration was a statement issued to Tactical-Life: “The 300 Precision Rifle Cartridge (PRC), released by Hornady earlier this year, was tested and selected by the Department of Defense for its extended long range sniper program following a rigorous evaluation process that saw the new Hornady 300 PRC outperform the 300 Norma Mag as well as several other cartridges in testing past 2,000 yards.”

@ertatta 2 года назад

Wow, what? Outperformed the Norma, kinda find that hard to believe being that the Norma has a fatter case capacity. Wonder what’s at play here being that the DoD is a mess right now.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 года назад

ertatta, they were testing for more than just MV and reach. Goal is, I believe, to get the highest hit percentage at specific distances. Precision (accuracy) then trumps velocity.

@ertatta 2 года назад

@@RonSpomerOutdoors very true but I’ve never heard anyone state that the Norma had issues making precision hits on target. I could maybe see if they were looking for a maybe more economical alternative to the Norma, but other than that I’m not seeing an advantage for the PRC here.

@exothermal.sprocket 2 года назад

@@ertatta There's many parameters the military has to consider related to ammunition and weapons platform logistics, supply, weight, size and packaging, cost to the military, the needs of tacticians. Some of this might have also come into play between the Norma and PRC.

@gunnaraw 2 года назад

@@exothermal.sprocket But in the end SOCOM and the US Army chose 300 Norma Magnum instead of 300 PRC.

@matthewkyle6939 2 года назад

Just ordered a 300 prc. Bergara wilderness ridge. I mean if you have a 300 win mag already I get it, but if you don't why buy the inferior design. Makes no sense. 300 prc was picked up by the military, of you don't think every ammo company will start making ammo for it, your delusional.

@KingLoopie1 2 года назад

You can always buy a custom barrel with a faster twist and have it chambered in 300 WM and throated for those longer bullets and head-space off of the shoulder... Only saying that because I'm heavily invested in 300 WM. If I feel the need for more, I'll jump to 338 LM.

@jfess1911 2 года назад

The 300 Win Mag, when following SAAMI specs, is limited to bullets with a relatively shorter ogive. The SAAMI specs on the PRC allow much longer, sleeker ogives that give it an advantage at long distances. It is not just a matter of the base of the bullet being in the case. With the Win Mag, the most efficient bullets would have the OGIVE down inside the neck of the cartridge. In addition, the jump to the lands would be huge (causing poor accuracy). This is where things get confusing for some people. Yes, IF the PRC uses the same short-ogived, less aerodynamic bullets as the Win Mag, the performance is fairly close. The PRC, however, is not limited to those bullets and when using long-ogived, high-BC bullets performs better at long range. Factory ammo with these fancy bullets is available. To further confuse things, many 300 Win Mags are modified from the SAAMI specs in order to perform better at long range. They can be put on longer actions (to use longer-ogived bullets), use faster-twist barrels, and have modified chambers. They require custom ammo to perform at their best, so factory ammo is not an option.

@Gunker02 2 года назад

You should check out MarkandSamafterwork on YT. he shoots 250gr out of both of these cartridges at like 3000m(I think) and the 300wm had more impacts.

@jfess1911 2 года назад

@@Gunker02 He is not using a SAAMI spec 300Win Mag cartridge or rifle. At about 20 seconds into the 300PRC v 300Win Mag video, there is text that says he is using a 1:9 twist barrel and a cartridge OAL of 3.780" for the 300Win Mag. The SAAMI spec is 1:10 twist for the barrel and 3.34" OAL. There is an image that shows the loaded cartridge and it is much longer than would fit in the magazine of a typical 300Win Mag rifle. Note that he is single loading. His shooting is still impressive, though!

@Gunker02 2 года назад

@@jfess1911 oh ok. Well that makes sense. In that case maybe I will opt for the 300 prc instead. I'm looking hard at the HMR

@jfess1911 2 года назад

@@Gunker02 Good luck with your project!

@PatriotPaulUSA 2 года назад

Exactly, Well said J Fess

@chrisvonahnen3578 Год назад

Want the best? 300PRC is the top dog! Into ethics in hunting or just a perfectionist... 300PRC get you the best shot! 300 PRC is just better so it's here to stay. So buy a 300 PRC and you support to get the numbers up, & soon more brands will make ammo.

@dustinprenger2632 2 года назад

The Bob Ross of outdoors and hunting!

@DAMMDAUGHTERS 2 года назад

The 300 norma mag is what people think the 300 prc is. Coal on the prc really limits it and doesn't offer much better performance than the wm, let alone a wby mag or 30 nosler or rum. If you want a rifle that'll get true magnum velocities with those high bc bullets, you should be looking at the 300 norma mag. You will not get anything from the prc, that you can't get from wby and above 300 magnums besides better factory barrel twist rates. I say the 300 norma mag because it has a lapua bolt face, so that makes it have a fatter cartridge with really good powder capacity without making the cartridge overall length ridiculous, so you can load those super high bc 210 gr and above bullets and still be able to load them into an internal magazine.

@TexanUSMC8089 2 года назад

It's like the Ford and Chevy thing. Which do you pick and why? They both get the job done. It just comes down to personal preference.

@DAMMDAUGHTERS 2 года назад

@@TexanUSMC8089 exactly, people personify cartridges too much. Looking at cartridge capacity, load data, factory ammo options, and comparing them, really weeds out fake problem solvers like the prc. It's a fantastic option if you don't have a 30 mag yet, but if you have any 30 mag, it's not really answering any new questions for you. But you hit the nail on the head and that's exactly what companies strive for when they release a new cartridge, is a brand and cartridge loyalty that rivals that of the car industry. It's up to us to do our own research and see where these cartridges actually fall.

@kzimmerman311 2 года назад

You mention the 300 NM taking a 338 bolt face, but you did not mention the downside of increased cost across the board moving to that size of action. 300 NM is a good cartridge, it just has its own downsides the same the PRC does. Ron covered why you would pick a 300 PRC over the win mag, and same list goes for wby mag, 30 nosler or RUM. Also, all of these are barrel burners, as you move up the stack it only gets worse. You can go to a CIP length mags to let the PRC have plenty of room if the rifle allows for this.

@DAMMDAUGHTERS 2 года назад

@@kzimmerman311 oh yeah the NM, has many downsides. Ron did a good job explaining the 300 prc. I think people, in general, think of the 300 prc as the answer for shooting heavy-for-caliber 30 cal bullets and I am just expressing my opinion that, I think the idea of the 300 prc is better exemplified in the 300 NM. The 300 NM is a really really good option if you want to shoot 30 cal bullets with bcs higher than .6 and you don't wince at high brass prices and reload. Again, if you don't have a 300 mag, the prc is great option. I'm not anti anything, just saying saying, hey, if you like the idea of the 300 prc, that 300 nm is pretty neat.

@kzimmerman311 2 года назад

@@DAMMDAUGHTERS it is great that we have so many good options to choose from

@masonmcneill3969 2 года назад

I went with 300 PRC because I am a hand loader and I do shoot a lot of long range, when it came to choosing my first 30 cal magnum rifle the PRC had enough small advantages to convince me to try it

@michaelogden5093 Год назад

300 mag is hard to find brass for and finding a good load is not a piece of cake. I'd say you're right about getting away from belted cases.

@bustabass9025 2 года назад

I find that my .300 Weatherby Mark V is all the .308 diameter/caliber, cartridge/rifle I "need". However, like any self avowed "gun-nut" with a safe full of myriad caliber and configured bangers, I base my next firearm purchase solely on want, and never on need; or an in-the-weeds dissection of conjurable ballistics. If need, or the hottest tack driving laser ray-gun on the planet were the determining factors in any decision to buy or not to buy, my father's .30-06 Mauser action rebuild that I inherited would, be more than sufficient to cover the bases I want or "need" to touch.

@Ace-wu4zm 5 часов назад

Question I have which would have more knock down power on game at long hunting distance?

@russrussell4097 Месяц назад

Ron, I would like to purchase a scope for long range shooting. Is there a method to test the magnification to insure you are getting what you pay for otherwise you don’t know for certain?

@kubotamaniac 2 года назад

Same thing for .270 WSM vs 6.8 Western.... I reload my own ammo, and own a few rifles ("A few??" my wife speaking here... ) but I don't have any 6.8 Western... After looking at the numbers, I am not interested in a 6.8 Western (which is a superb caliber) because I don't see enough advantages over the .270 WSM to change or by another rifle...

@ertatta 2 года назад

Kinda same slight advantages you see in the comparison in Ron’s video. The 6.8 has a longer neck for bullet seating & new factory rifles for 6.8 are 1:7.5 twist to take advantage of 175gn projectiles.

@charlespayne1061 2 года назад

This's Ron for the video! For hunting? We all have allshots are taken at around 200 or less lol but as soon as we get back to camp and it turns into 9,000 yards and don't get me started on all the wolves the to kodiaks that I fought off with a knife and that damn honey badger" how they got to Virginia I don't know?

@sterlingwilkey2124 Год назад

6 one way half dozen the other. My opinion is it's what you can afford. I've always been a big fan of the 300win. The 300prc is still very impressive round. Ron I agree with you if your going to a bigger magnum and you dont have one go with the 300prc. Because it will be easier for me to get brass for my 300win HAHAHAHA

@mountainview540 2 года назад

New Ron video? Yes, please and thank you

@slomo1562 2 года назад

Ron touched on it but when you travel it's much easier to find commonly used cartridges. If you travel a few hours to a deer camp and you're the only one shooting a 7mm STW, you had better be sure you have the loads you need. Now make that camp Alaska or Africa. Whoops!

@TexanUSMC8089 2 года назад

I like to put clays or paper plates at different ranges. As far out as I can consistently hit a 5 inch target is my range on a deer. I personally keep it inside 300 yards for deer. I know people that can hit a 3 inch target at 600 yards more often than I can at 300. Once you have an accurate rifle and cartridge load...it's all up to the shooter. A person might find they can shoot a 280 ackley or 6.5 prc more accurately than a 300 win mag.

@jcarry5214 2 года назад

Sheer recoil means it’s harder to make a rifle accurate with the win mag, regardless of the shooter. Add the shooter and it gets even harder. That’s the biggest reason I won’t be jumping up to a big 30 soon. Keep it under 60 grains powder and 180 grains of bullet or under and you will probably never need a custom rifle and Probably not have a flinch. That’s my philosophy anyway.

@csjrogerson2377 2 года назад

@@jcarry5214 I agree entirely. I'm a smallish guy (5'7" & 155Lbs) and a 180 gr 30-06 is all the recoil I need from a rifle that I might fire all day. No need for anything bigger. Hunting steel plate is pretty easy (they dont move much) and when you get one, they're really hard to chew on.

@jcarry5214 2 года назад

@@csjrogerson2377 yeah I just got my first two dental crowns. Steel game and big antler soup are even less appealing than before.

@warriorwarrior6999 2 года назад

Hornady makes hunting bullets for the 300 PRC. And I’m sure other ammo manufacturers will start making hunting ammo too. So with the 300 PRC you get the best of both worlds.

@falba1492 2 года назад

I noticed Browning is chambering the 300 PRC in a magnum action. So here we go full circle right back to the 300 H&H, after half a century.

@whiteyfisk9769 2 года назад

They gotta get people to CONSOOM and sell new rifles somehow. And people fall for it every couple years. Im not talking about competitive shooters, but your average Joe who shoots 3 times a year to sight in and then a elk or deer under 300 yards. Its amazing how gullible people are really.

@cruzingpapa 2 года назад

I don't get all the new cartridges coming out when you can't find a box .30-06 or .270 ammunition on the shelves.

@ericwainwright470 2 года назад

Wonderful job Mr. Spomer as always! Perfect content...currently mulling this over now, probably go with the 300 Win Mag...

@whiteyfisk9769 Год назад

Its 2023, the 300prc is already forgotten

@gregliautaud1474 7 месяцев назад

The Win Mag is essentially a commodity while the PRC is few and far between.

@Kross8761 2 года назад

I like the PRC for what it is, I don't own a win mag, and am much more likely to shoot long range than shoot deer or elk, so the PRC fits my most likely need and can fill the freezer in a pinch.

@Kmecha84 2 года назад

I was mauling over 300 prc or 30 nosler. I went with the 30 nosler and no looking back 😀

@Kross8761 2 года назад

@@Kmecha84 nothing wrong with the nosler offerings, from what I've seen on their specs they're speed demons and don't necessarily do heavy for caliber bullets which is kind of where I was leaning (of course you can always have a fully custom rifle made with your own throat specs and magazine length etc) But my reasoning with the 300PRC was due to the military picking it up (in limited quantities) for long range shooting, and with Hornady being one of the biggest ammo manufacturers in the country and in the world I don't see them letting their own creation die off. I think 300PRC is going to stick around because honestly it's just a "better" 300WM that can push those heavy bullets just a touch faster without moving to a full magnum length action.

@Kmecha84 2 года назад

@@Kross8761 the 300 wm is definitely here to stay for the long haul, alot of followers and for good reason. I understand what you're saying with heavy for caliber bullets but how heavy are you wanting to go? 30 Nosler claims 4196 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle with a 210 gr accubond. with the 1:8 twist that it has, it'll shoot heavier bullets no problem. Also nothing wrong with the 300 prc it's a great offering

@Kross8761 2 года назад

@@Kmecha84 I'm mostly concerned with muzzle velocity with those heavy bullets, the 212gr is the "light" bullet for 300PRC, and it can go up to 250gr with the appropriate twist rate, but 220-230 is what I'm looking for, and the 300PRC is pushing the 225gr ELD-M at about 2950 out of a 26" barrel which is still supersonic at 2000+ yards and will still reliably expand out to 1600. (At extended ranges, "match" bullets expand at velocities that "hunting" bullets won't, I wouldn't use them closer than 500-600 yards, but past that, they usually perform better than hunting bullets) I'm less concerned with muzzle energy numbers and more concerned with the velocity that a round requires to reliably expand. You can have an FMJ that has an excellent muzzle energy on paper, but since it doesn't expand it just pencils through and pokes a small hole, meanwhile a bullet that expands magnificently might have a meager raw muzzle energy, but it performs spectacularly. I agree that the Win Mag is here to stay, and I don't think the PRC is going to "dethrone" it, but I think there are new options that *are* "better", it's just that many people don't need or want or want to PAY for "better"

@redrock425 2 года назад

Easy one, if you're not already invested. 300 PRC for a factory rifle. 300 Win mag for a custom rifle. 300 Win Mag for ammunition availability for hunting. I'm not invested, and target shoot, so 300 PRC it is for me.

@stevemiller6044 2 года назад

The things that make the 300PRC the winner for one willing to play a bit (for the AVERAGE hunter vs the crack shot that never misses with any rifle) is that the precision is built in the chamber already, far too much slop in the 300WM. Next is that you can (hand load) the great BC 220/230 grain hunting bullets WITH also great SD out LONG. 1-9 twist will stabilize them. These are almost four inches when seated to the neck/shoulder junction and are really even LONGER than the quoted spec for 300PRC. My choice is a Savage action --the bottom magazine opening is the limiting factor. After market 338 lapua magazines are still too short to fully seat the bullet as long as it could be but this is pretty much the best that can be done with what is available and the long handload 300PRC rounds feeds just fine in them. So the difference is more bullet=more energy, more BC= more energy and less wind drift, WAY WAY more powder capacity as the bullet is not all in the case=less bullet drop, less bent bullets because of stuffing the bullet in the case instead of to the neck/shoulder junction=better accuracy. Chamber leade/throat may need to be redone by any good gunsmith, this means you can place the bullet close to the lands or jam it, etc, for best accuraccy. An aftermarket longer mag(CDIprecisiongunworksstore)needs to be fitted, or switch to a different stock that accepts 338 lapua length mags(chassis system). The problem that the 300PRC fixes somewhat over the 300WM is limited/fixed magazine length which was made standard before long, high BC bullets came about. 338 lapua suffers from mags that are too short also. A barnes lapua 338 monolith will be all in the case. So to really take advantage of the great bullets out there with a repeating rifle we cannot and should not be limited by magazine length. The 300PRC by Hornady somewhat fixed the limited magazine length problem, but they came out with even better bullets like the A-tips (longer still than edlx), which I think will have a role in some hunting. Long range shooters and alot of hunters spend much $$$$ on custom guns. Don't just spend it on more expensive, but still the same. Get the things that will really make a difference.

@justsumname 2 года назад

300 PRC is def a reloader's gun

@TraditionalToolworks 2 года назад

Ron, I see you haven't done a comparison on the 6.5 PRC vs 300 PRC. I'm most curious how you feel about the 6.5 PRC at 2000, where ELR typically starts. For 2000-3000 yards, the 375 CT Improved seems like the best choice, but it would probably struggle with 3000-2500 as the 6.5 PRC would at 2000. I love to pontificate on this stuff, but we do know the reality is what it is...and the 6.5 PRC is marginally good for 2000. I have a short action chassis I want to use, so that's why I'm thinking to go 6.5 PRC, it will marginally fit in a short mag, as you know.

@rodgerthackeray7978 2 года назад

If you only shoot factory ammo. Choose which ever cartridge you want. For reloading, a beltless cartridge is better. If you full length resize, the belt leads to clambering issues after about 3 reloadings. There is plenty of information on this issue. There is ways to remedy it, but takes an extra step in the reloading process.

@PatriotPaulUSA 2 года назад

Exactly! Well said

@trailertrashtactics Год назад

Well thanks a lot Ron. I'm going to go buy the custom 300 prc off the wall at my local shop now 🤣

@USAACbrat 2 года назад

I've shot both the 30-06, 30-06 Ackley And 308, 7.62 NATO; The recoil with 30-06 seems less than the 308. Which is sharper with more snap than the 30-06 with the same bullet.

@marks5757 2 года назад

my 300 win mag is a 1:8 twist...browning hunter long range xbolt

@sandych33ks1 2 года назад

I have a Browning 300 win mag and it's an absolute tac driver. I have done nothing to it at all. It's a shooter for sure. It shoots factory Federal ammo at well under MOA. When I reload its shooting sub 1/2 inch groups at 100. I shoot regularly from my deck out to 400 yards. I have no complaints here, love that Browning 300 win mag.

@nathanmanley4203 2 года назад

I think the accuracy potential of the prc is awesome

@dalton6786 2 года назад

good luck finding it and if you do paying less than 100bucks a box

@mmorgan227 2 года назад

I hand load 210 Bergers over Vhitavouri N565. My 300 Win Mag will put 5 in a penny at 100, and 5 in a can of Kodiak at 600. The PRC and Creedmoor cartridges are just a bunch of marketing hype.

@Grizzly406 Год назад

@@dalton6786I just picked up Hornady match 300 PRC 225 gr for 51$ a box 250$ later I’m set for a while. There’s quite a bit of PRC here in montana.

@Anthanos89 Год назад

Is the 7mm PRC looking like it'll take over the 300 PRC in the US?

@BuffaloTrace602 2 года назад

Great video Ron! The PRC looks great on paper, but like you said, for hunting will the animal notice 100ft lbs more of energy when it peacefully expires?

@hantus77 2 года назад

bullet construction

@MrMalicious5 2 года назад

What if I told you energy doesn't matter? Impact velocity above 2000fps and how good the projectile is what gives you good terminal performance.

@rhubarbpie2027 2 года назад

Thank you for these excellent comparison videos, sir. I would be interested in a 100m/100yd accuracy test with two *nearly* identical .300 WM/ .300 PRC rifles with SAAMI spec chambers. As you pointed out with the .300 WM chamber throat starting at .315", I think the accuracy/ consistency of the old Win Mag might be slightly less than the .300 PRC due to bullet yaw upon initially contacting the chamber throat. Much like target revolvers, accuracy is all about the "jump" from chamber to rifling and that has a big effect on internal ballistics.

@ronspomer4366 2 года назад

One could certainly make those tests, but they never prove if it was the cartridge or the individual rifle. Or the ammo. Many things from brass consistency and powder load consistency to seating depth to muzzle crown and much more can change precision. All else being equal, however, I suspect the tighter throat of the PRC would have to give it a slight edge. Then again, the average factory hunting rifle in 300 WM doesn't have to shoot 1/4 MOA to hit the vitals of any pronghorn out to 800 yards. Basic MOA will do it.

@hulley5223 2 года назад

According to Sierra data, you can still load their 220 gr. HPBT MatchKings in the 300 WM, giving you all the long-range performance you could ever need out of a long action bolt gun. If you really want a fancy-pants, long-range .30 cal, go with the 300 Norma, which is a significant step up in long-range performance.

@Dfour 2 года назад

As long as your mag will fit it. Unless you only single feed

@hulley5223 2 года назад

@@Dfour It should. Data shows that it has the same C.O.A.L as the 180 gr. bullets, which are often the most popular bullet weight for the 300 WM.

@borkwoof696 2 года назад

@@hulley5223 you‘ll have to seat them deep tho. But I think the military also has a .220gr loading for the win mag

@talisikid1618 2 года назад

No. Not even close to prc.

@hulley5223 2 года назад

@@talisikid1618 300 PRC isn't a long-action cartridge; it's a magnum length. 300 Norma is also a magnum-length cartridge, and it is far superior to 300 PRC.

@sandych33ks1 2 года назад

Good luck finding ammo for the PRC and if you do bend over.. The 300 win mag is expensive but much more available and cheaper. As for reloading good luck again finding powder primers n lead. Much less brass??? I'm sticking with the 300 win mag.

@tolt1776 6 месяцев назад

Its funny people think precision shooting is different than hunting 😅😅

@donmarshall4888 10 месяцев назад

One BIG advantage of the PRC is the elimination of the belted case. I’m discovering the annoying feature of this design.

@vervi1jw1 10 месяцев назад

Agreed, if reloading, it is a big deal.

@niio111 Год назад

I was looking for a cartridge like the 300wm but for long range target. 300wm has tons of factory ammo available and this was a primary concern, but it was all hunting loads. 300prc only really has Hornady but it is target, so that won.

@outyxt800 2 года назад

Haha I’m having a hard time on what custom 300 rifle to build for my first one. Seeing how you just did a review on this is awesome, can’t wait to watch this video. Thanks in advance:).

@ertatta 2 года назад

Go 300Norma to really take advantage of modern ultra high BC projectiles.

@maverickpaladin4155 2 года назад

I love your videos...really enjoy the campfire chat approach. The PRC sounds intriguing, but I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze IF you've got a quality .300 WM. I don't currently own either, but as my plan is to build a custom rifle from a 1917 action, I'm not sure if the .300 PRC would work in the standard magazine...merits some research for sure.

@ericb.4358 2 года назад

The 300PRC was SPECIFiCALLY designed by the US Army and Hornady to overcome the .300 Win mag's head spacing problems of the belt and short neck for loading long, heavy bullets over 200 grains. I've sold my .300 Win.mag rifles for a 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro BUT, if'n I wuz a-hankerin' after a 30 caliber magnum it would definitely be a rifle in 300 PRC.

@ertatta 2 года назад

The Norma chambering would really take advantage of these monster BC 250gn pills that are out there. Go 300Norma

@PatriotPaulUSA 2 года назад

Exactly! No More old belted magnums. And better and flatter faster shooting cartridges like the 300PRC! Flattest-Shooting Cartridges Ever ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Y7Z1MljwbnI.html

@dillonharriger369 2 года назад

I'm starting to really like these videos. Something to note for beginners, but if you're shooting off the bench, you can use your rifle as a single-shot rifle and have the bullet seated out as much as you need. Traditionally, you should seat the bullet to meet up with the lans and grooves of the barrel as close as possible, but seating the bullet out farther than factory loads will generally help improve accuracy. Doing so will eliminate the problem of eating into the powder capacity, and since you're shooting off a bench you shouldn't have feeding problems with loading these one at a time.

@FL1911 2 года назад

I have both, two rifles, 1 in PRC and one in 300 win mag. However, my 300 win mag has a more modern design chamber/reamer that allows for long bullets and less pressure. Note that 300 win mag reamers now-days for custom rifles will allow for factory loads as well as longer bullets. One could argue that the 300 PRC is more efficient, for longer ranges. If I were to use an older 300 win mag rifle with Sammy spec reamer and compare with the 300 PRC, than the 300 PRC gets you further, and harder all day. Also, Hornady now released a new “hunting” load under their Outfiter line using the GMX with 185gr at gazillion feet per second and would kill any animal walking the earth. But if you ask me, what is my favorite round… The 300 win mag… ammo availability is a huge factor.

@PatriotPaulUSA 2 года назад

True right now ammo availibility is a huge concern. I bought a ton of 300PRC brass when it came out thankfully. The 300PRC can take a 250grn bullet and still fit these long cartridges into the factory AICS mags .That is its huge advantage over the 300WM. It has a better chamber as far as bullet jump and is much easier to reload instead of the old belted magnum cases that are not neccessary. The brass lasts longer than the belted brass for just that reason. I own a 300wby belted magnum and I have great memories with it, but the 300PRC has many advantages over it. Look at this guy did a ton of data work on the flattest shooting cartridges on his website and he has videos too. backfire.tv/flat-shooting-cartridges/

@jcarry5214 2 года назад

Ron you liar, you didn’t drag out the 06 to compare lengths, you dragged it out just to grind the gears of all the guys who insist it’s somehow not still a king and is obsolete because of … fill in the blank.

@georgelza 2 года назад

be interesting to hear your thoughts on the new 7mm prc

@RandyMan388 2 года назад

When I wish to use a 300 Mag. I'll stay with my 300 Win Mag. I really like the 7mm RM over those anyway. Take care.

@HoneyBeagle 2 года назад

Just picked up a 300 prc today and I’ll definitely be hunting with it! But I’ll say I’m a huge 300 win mag fan and have done a lot of hunting and target shooting with the winny. This is just a fun new toy. Shoot whatever gets you excited!

@thomasdaniel6495 2 года назад

As always,good job Ron.I do enjoy the 300 Winchester and have used it quiet successfully,but the reason I gravitate to magnums,is not to load light bullets to lightning fast speeds,but instead you can load heavier bullets to better speeds.I am old school in that I believe a long heavy bullet is always better than a shorter,lighter bullet,especially when shooting larger game,or you're on an expensive hunt.With that being said,I would like to,and probably will try a 300PRC.I always wanted to shoot heavier bullets in my win mag,but stayed with 200 gr. Nosler Partition.I really like the idea of having quality 220-250 gr. bullets,and since I am going to be moving to Africa to live,I think this would make a great medium to large game round.Besides,it's always fun to get a new round to play with and experiment with,and yes I do handload,so though it may not be as readily available as the win mag,I can hopefully be able to stockpile enough ammo to the PRC beast.Thanks again,keep up the good work.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 года назад

Thanks Thomas.

@PatriotPaulUSA 2 года назад

Exactly!

@DenverFannin Месяц назад

So pretty much sticking with my 300 wm lol.

@footballknowitall5109 2 года назад

Well there goes my .308

@danielbalder 2 года назад

Thanks for the video! Looks like 300PRC is the one for me. I'll mostly be hunting paper and steel, and only occasionally hunting critters.

@dbeardsley0 2 года назад

Greatly enjoy shooting my 300prc in my HMR with a nomad 30 attached. All day shooter if you can find the ammo or the powder to load it

@FUTSTRADER 2 года назад

How about a 7 prc?

@hantus77 2 года назад

28 Nosler like but less barrel burn

@TexanUSMC8089 2 года назад

There's probably one out there, but you'll probably have to load your own. LOL

@Tokool849 Год назад

Keep your rifles buy better glass!

@williammcclelland6789 4 месяца назад

True. You can't hit what you can't see.

@Henners34 2 года назад

The PRC is less about out performing the good old 300 Win-mag with higher muzzle velocities and impact energy. It's all about tight grouping at distance. Ron you said it right when you said "Precision"... Precise and tight groups to win Gold trophies. OH.... and it works as a hunting rifle to if you like to use expensive hard to find brass! Another great video too Ron

@snookmeister55 2 года назад

I like precision rifles for shooting, including hunting. Animals deserve clean death and hunters should be shooters not merely trigger pullers. My take

@wildernessoutdoors6875 2 года назад

What about putting the 300 wm in a magnum action, making it possible to seat the bullets out further.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 года назад

That should work, although you wouldn’t gain the precision of that .3088” throat unless you altered the reamer, I suppose

@outyxt800 2 года назад

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Hi Ron, love to hear your reply on this. For a hunting round and accuracy out to 800 yards what would you think would be better. 300prc, 300wm or 300wsm?

@redrock425 2 года назад

@@outyxt800 I'd say 300WSM, 300WM if ammo availability is a requirement.

@outyxt800 2 года назад

@@redrock425 hi thanks for the reply. Decided after looking at all availability the 300wm is easiest to find things. Picked up 200 rounds of Lapua brass. Other 2 I can’t find anything. Starting my build

@danielbutler8292 2 года назад

I love how they always show a 300 WM with the bullet crammed down in the case, like you can't pull the bullet out some and maximize the case capacity

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 года назад

Dan, the reason you see it so crammed down is because SAAMI specs limit overall cartridge length to 3.34". Chambers and throats are reamed to best accommodate that and magazines are often/usually just long enough to fit it. Yes, you can seat bullets out farther, but only if your rifle magazine accepts them (unless you want to hand feed single-shot style) and the bullet doesn't jam into the rifling when chambered. Be careful, handloaders.

@rogerramjet7567 2 года назад

Long range target shooting 👍. Shooting big game at long range 👎. Your not a hunter anymore.

@Fivegunner 6 месяцев назад

You're*

@paulweaver6064 2 года назад

The 300 W mag I believe has more platforms to fire the round from meaning more diversity in firearms choices. The old standard bolt action is great but many carbine’s and even pistol carbine’s are available. That’s a pretty big plus it gives it a also a option as a home protection and Zombie Apocalypse flash mob diversity.