I love my home Theatre, but seeing that makes me seriously want to upgrade. Crazy how big that room is. 19 x 30 x 12 that’s like almost 600 square feet. Those high ceilings are amazing.
This is a dream home theater, I work in post-sound for film/TV and I’ve always dreamed of a home theater/mixstage and this is as legit of a build as it can get. Even down to the JBL speaker choices, you’ll hear it exactly as we intended.
I wish we could - "Hear it exactly as we intended". In my opinion, that is only true if the tuning/setup of the home system is nearly identical to the studio it was mixed in. I've been arguing this point for several years now, but no one will listen. Since there isn't a system certification from Dolby or DTS for either mixing studio or home systems the chance of proper reproduction from room to room is impossible. I'd like to know how the mixing engineers calibrate their systems. Do they place the speakers and run the Auto Room Correction in the AVR they use to mix with? I've found that auto room correction is way off and does not provided cohesion and smooth panning throughout the room. Neither of the AVRs I've used set the distances/delays even close to providing a solid center image between speakers other than the front left and right. The best audio in my room has only been achieved by using Channa DeSilva's Atmos audio toolkit files to adjust my system. I'm not sure that his files are 100% correct, but my system sounds better than before I used his files. I can't wait for the day that there is a "set-in-stone" calibration method/requirement from Dolby. For now I guess we just have to except "close enough". Hopefully, the mixing engineer community can/will make demands of Dolby for a set of standards or create their own for everyone to follow.
@@welderfixer there is no system of certification, but they do have fairly detailed guidelines directly from Dolby they follow. Most pro studios should follow a set of parameters which have them being similar enough that if you follow the studio guidelines, you should be able to get as close to the "creators intent" as you can reasonably expect to come. The much larger problem comes from the fact that there are 3.5 competing formats, 3 of which have very different setup guidelines. If you follow the setup guides for a single format perfectly, you effectively heavily compromise the other formats. Which wouldnt be a big deal with Atmos being the dominant format EXCEPT that the Dolby upmixer is the weakest of the three upmixers and the strongest upmixer, Auromatic, is least compatible with a typical Atmos setup. It makes it difficult to determine how best to design your system.
@@FURognar It's a mess isn't it?! I've found, printed and followed both of the Dolby set-up guide for home and studio use. Since they are different I cannot understand how anyone can expect to get the same audio movements around the home system as the studio engineer did. Surely, it's no better from one commercial theater to another. Since the general public is willing to accept everything as it comes like food out of drive thru window I guess I shouldn't be so picky about my cheesy budget HT rig either. Bummer. As you say the different formats doesn't help us get to a "happy medium" with our systems. Since my older AVR has Atmos only because of the firmware upgrade and it doesn't have DTS-X. So, playing movies in the DTS-X format thru the Atmos mixer sounds just about bearable. Often there isn't any height/ceiling audio at all for me. Well, it is just a hobby and entertainment not neurosurgery, I guess I should have a couple drinks before each film and try to be happy. Hahaha. Thanks so much for your reply and insight. All the very best, Kevin
That really is an AMAZING setup! What's also a bit amazing is that they spend that much money, yet have cream walls & ceiling that shows up in the dark and bounce light back onto the screen...
Yeah between the acoustic panels, it is odd not to make these blend into the background. Also light grey seats, all things which reflect back at the screen.
After showing the white sconce lights and pans to the step lights, that first light is mounted crooked, ruins that entire stack of synthesis and Levinsen gear. But of all the builds on this tour, I like this selection of gear most. I’d be talking smack if that was my projector room: If your projector doesn’t run on 220v it’s hot garbage
This theatre is amazing!. I recently was building one of my own and realized I don't like watching movies with a lot of people. Something smaller and more personal is more efficient.
Great video, thanks. This might be a peculiarly English observation - but that room has the look of a village hall. Albeit one with unusually high-end equipment. I do appreciate Youthman's videos like this, although my preference is always to see what people have achieved via their own work & smart problem-solving, and on a more modest budget rather than yet another person who's bought a Trinnov/MadVR/GTZ380 etc via an installer. I do appreciate those as occasional "aspirational" pieces, but far prefer to see rooms that make me think, "Well done mate, good work; I think maybe I could do that..." (I fondly remember old Ike's room, for example. And, of course, the evolution of Youthman's own room.) One thing I enjoy about the high-end rooms like this one - and, I admit, this speaks *very* badly of me - is to be surprised by what I think they've done less well despite throwing vast sums of money at it. In this case, the wall/ceiling colour and the seating colour. I'm sure the owner loves both, but it's definitely not the way I'd have gone - whether on a mega-budget or a much more modest one.
This homeowner was involved in every aspect of the room. Especially in particular, the speaker, layout and implementation of the track system. This was much more than writing, a check and having Audio Advice build it for them.
I buit my own 9.2 with dual 12 subs and Pioneer elite AVR with 2k projector theater room, with mix of Jbl rears and Kplisch fronts, probably a 50k room if done by a AV vendor, watched John wick 4 last night, was blown away with mid volume and Atamos, well worth the effort.
Hey youthman ... Less content is covered on Soundproofing for theaters with multiple 18inch subs. Please include a few insights on Soundproofing as well.... because any great HT should not create issues with sound leakage in and out of the room. Particularly in appartment buildings
All this is true, there are very few people who actually are able to do that. True soundproofing of a room is extremely expensive out of over 50 home theaters that I have toured, and may have seen three that actually soundproofed their room.
Michael, it was awesome to hang out and film this with you. Even though I watched all of this live, I was still glued to the screen during this video. Phenomenal job!
Thank you Harrison. It’s always a pleasure hanging out with you and the crew at Audio Advice. Your professionalism, character and friendship is greatly appreciated.
That is definitely a controversial topic with varied opinions. I do agree that certain subwoofers do sound sloppy, have more distortion, etc. than others. I’m not sure that’s a result of being fast or slow though because if you play any subwoofer at 20 Hz it’s going to move at the same speed as any other Subwoofer, playing 20 Hz or no longer is 20 Hz.
100% agree@@Youthman I just wish folks would stop with the fast/slow descriptor, it just confuses other folks that don't understand the topic that well. Sloppy or distorted sound vs clean/precise sound are better descriptors to most likely describe what they are trying to convey.
When that property is listed for sale the listing may say: "Residencial theater for sale and it comes with attached living quarters". Must be nice to have that kind of income.
Wow. It's amazing. I will be doing a really budget home theater. Free LG speakers I got. Harman Kardon avr 254 for 50 CAD. A free Harman Kardon sub-15. And as a projector, I did some research and found that for the price, the Ultimia Apollo P40 canmot be beated. Can you do a review on that one?
I keep trying to arrange movie nights with extended family to use my room. My kids use it the most honestly. Everyday, they're in their watching educational shows or Fantasia 2000 again and again, haha. I used to do weekly, and the bi-weekly couch gaming nights, but being older, having kids, and working from home really messed that up which is why I such a large focus in movies now.
That's my type of home theater. Although the theater looks nice it is more about having great sound and picture quality than anything else. I think some stripping would look nice to blend in the speaker tracks.
The reality is that the sound would be MUCH better with fewer channels, because these are fairly low budget speakers. Think about this: take the same $$$ budget and rather than spend it on 32 channels, spend it on 8. Now you get way better sound, as you can use much better amps and speakers. That will mean: lower background noise, clearer highs/less distortion, and more natural vocals. People get wrapped up in having many channels, especially with a Trinnov. Wrong. I have a 4.1.2 system with my Altitude 32 system which is nearly $1M - absolutely phenomenal sound. More speakers would also have the negative effects of cancelling out or boosting certain frequencies and messing with the phase. Trinnov does NOT correct multiple speakers at the same time! The correction is applied to one channel at a time.
Maybe but there’s a big gap between 8 and 32 channels. 32 is way too many for a room that’s under ~1000 sq feet. You can have wide dispersion surround speakers and cover a 15 seat room with low single digit # of channels. Who was advising this client?! Remember that as great as the Trinnov is (I have one), it will not adjust phase and freq response when multiple speakers are firing. They are starting to do this with subs with the new Wave tech, but not with the main channels.
I am seriously convinced that the line between Home Theaters and Picture Theaters are now completely blurred. In my opinion, this is NOT a Home theater at all, it is simply some ultra rich millionaires plan to build a Picture Theater in his own home and call it a Home Theater when it's not When your setup is more technically advanced than going to an actual movie theater in your local city, then it's time to call them out for what they are, they are PICTURE THEATERS that only the ultra rich could ever build, this is NOT Home Theater, well not as I understand them
This is a residential home with a dedicated Theater Room. It’s still a home theater regardless of how big it is. Who determined that home theaters have to be small? What’s the maximum seats that you can have in a home theater to consider it a home theater? How big of a screen can you have until it no longer becomes a home theater? What level of projector are you allowed to have for it to be considered a home theater? Do you see where that logic doesn’t hold up?
@Youthman true, but where do we draw the line then? I understand that everyone has got different views on this subject but come on, this is NOT your average Home Theater setup, not by any stretch of the imagination, nor is this affordable for 99% of Home Theater enthusiasts
Why is it necessary to “draw the line” on what can be considered a home theater based on what you or I can afford? I agree. This absolutely is not your average home theater and it’s not going to fit the majority of peoples budgets, but why would that prevent it from being considered a home theater? Again, the logic doesn’t add up.
@Youthman I guess if you look at it from that perspective then yes you are 100% correct. Perhaps my definition of what constitutes "Home Theater" is too narrow and I accept that. Can a Home Theater be considered Home Theater if the majority of HOMES will never be able to afford them? I guess it's all subjective at the end of the day 🤷♂️ But what I won't lose sight of is that you and I both love Home Theater, and I'm a great fan of you and your channel
Yeah, everything in life is about perspective. Sometimes we tend to view the world from our own lens. Another analogy would be to not consider a Ferrari a car just because it’s expensive. At the end of the day it’s still a car, just one I cannot afford. Lol.
Really happy to see a nearly maxed out Atmos system. While a system like this is super expensive (just the Trinnov is over $30k) it can show people the possibilities and hopefully encourage more people to experiment with setups going beyond the 11 channel paradigm so prevalent these days. And its not expensive to do 13 channels. $3k for a Denon X6700 or Sony 7000ES. Or $1500 for a Tonewinner AT300 or Emotiva MC-1 (but those need amps. Around $1500 for low cost 13 channels worth of amplification) so you dont have to be a millionaire to acheive a deluxe experience beyond what is considered "the norm"
using emotiva would be 1/3 the cost of denon. but then it's filled with bugs and a terrible company. lol i stuck with denon even though emotiva is so cheap
@@richardchafe2986 once you buy the amps you need, it ends up costing almost the same. And the Denon and Sony have WAAAAAAY more features than the Emotiva and Tonewinner processors. Just access to Auro3D 13.1 with the Denon and to 360 Spatial Sound Mapping with the Sony is worth the moderate increase in cost.
Excellent video! I've watched you and have watched Audio Advice for years! I love seeing both individuals who are passionate about home theatre and know what they're talking about yet accessible enough for beginners and experts. This is like Iron Man and Captain America working together! I'm usually a sticker for a bit sleeker looking home theatre room with hidden speakers but the this one is still cleanly maintained and with purpose so I don't actually mind the exposed speakers. Kudos!!!
My question has always been, how can you get that much power out of outlets? Like do you need an extra dedicated circuit breaker box? Or how does the actual home electrical power all of this?
I have one dedicated 20 amp circuit running my entire system (except my projector and lights). Larger systems often have multiple dedicated circuits to power all of the equipment.
Reaching from 100K to 125 K subscribers in such a short duration reflects quality of your work! Good work and content. Your videos are feast to home theatre enthusiasts like me!!
It's regular stocked 1 ⅝inch uni strut painted black. Typical stocked item in a plumbing or electrical supply store. With strut clips and ⅜ threaded bolts so you can slide it back and forth. But a smart idea
I wouldn’t have went with those lsr705s. Those are fantastic speakers but they arnt designed for cinema applications. I would have went with the 8320 cinema surround. I currently have the 8340a surrounds. I’m In the process of rebuilding them because they’ve seen better days. And those lsr 705s won’t get verry loud. Not compared to a proper cinema surround.
Hello Youthman. I’m a new subscriber to your channel. I’m from the U.K. I’m in the middle of creating my bedroom into a home theatre, well not the full grand with like 15 seats theatre. It’s more of a with a bed inside and fitted wardrobe, but I’m getting a full surround sound speakers built inside the bedroom. Which Dolby Atmos speakers can you recommend me for unveiling speakers that will give me the upmost superior sound quality. Budget is not a problem. But to me sound quality matters. I would like ti get 4 Dolby Atmos speakers installed to my bedroom ceiling. Kindly if you recommend. Thanking you.
So those JBL speakers seem good for that sized room, but if I had the money I would want bigger speakers probably Eminence, but I don't have the money :p But this made me realise that in home cinema speaker size is related to screen size. You would need some fairly hectic projector to run a cinema that needs 12" mid bass with nextream horns and 24 inch subs.
Good to see a theatre that is not a coffin ⚰️. Yeah lovely to see some lighter walls...lots of acoustic treatment adds balance. The speaker count is insane. It must sound completely mad. Seats look comfy. A good theatre. I think maybe an interior designer could have helped to elevate this to the next level. Nice job though 👍
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@16:32 and thats my most of the systems from people at home are crap. No planned & correct material usage for Acoustic Treatment = no High End sound. What ìm curious about, who choose this ugly looking black mounting pipes on the ceiling and wall for the speakers & cables, would be way more elegant without them. But good choice about Multi Subwoofers, many people (specially audiophiles) think subwoofers are disturb the sound but when you spend the time with the dsp & software, subs are solve many problems in the room
all modern Dolby Atmos cinemas have at least 4 subwoofers! this is necessary not for volume, but for better bass evenness throughout the room! that is why I personally always recommend installing at least 4 subwoofers! especially if your room is not large!
This is an awesome example of why the content source is so important. You can only unleash this theatre’s true potential with lossless Dolby Atmos that Kaleidescape delivers.
Genuine question- is there more than 5-10 minutes of content in a given movie that utilizes all those speakers with objects? I keep coming back to this and while many of us are probably happy to add more speakers, 😂 I'm not so sure that I can see a clear reason. For example, I'm starting to see a justification for me to expand to 9.1.6 from 7.1.4 because there is more content available.
This is a legit question that was a bigger deal a year or two ago. Now the studios and streaming services are adding atmos content at an incredible rate. At the same time, audio engineers are getting better and better at integrating the entire soundfield throughout content. Upshot is that its the real deal now and super fun! It will continue to get better as well as new content roles out.
Why on earth ppl like to use seats as of you travel in a plane in economy. I prefer super relax couches with blankets. The ones you sink in and enjoy. Not coach seats.
Likewise, I personally cannot see why someone would want a couch in a dedicated theater room. Great thing is we can design our theater rooms to meet our needs, not to try and please others.
tastes are tastes I agree. However my comment and reaction is based on what I see and being presented with. So coach economy seats placement is a no no for me :)@@Youthman
Tell the owner it’s technically a 28 channel (17+1+10), so there’s still room for more 4 speakers. The AL1632 model can actually handle 36 outputs but it’s limited to process 32 channels.
Totally cool but overkill on the subs once again, two or three really good ones for any home theater is plenty you don’t get more base with more subs you might even it out a bit but even a room that size 5 is overkill.
Awesome video. I was nodding my head in approval the whole time… except for the part when referencing the idea of ‘fast bass.’ If it’s linear, has good seat to seat response , and is free of distortion, I’m not sure what ‘fast’ means. Thumbs up! 👍🏻
Yes, there are a lot of different opinions on that issue. I do believe that all subwoofers are accurate but I also don’t believe that a large subwoofer equals slow and smaller Subwoofers equal fast.
@@ryankramer Aww man, I thought you were done building. We haven't hung out in a while so I'm out of touch. Gotta get Jon to throw together another Golf With Friends night and catch up.
the only problem in this video is the mention "fast subwoofers" which is of course not really a thing (at least in electroacoustics, as far as I've consulted with engineers), other than that, this theater is absolutely amazing, one of the best I've seen on youtube. in poorly designed ported subwoofers, or poor implementation of ported subwoofer designs, group delay can become an issue, but that is more to do with the implementation and design than the driver size.
Great video again! Love your collabs. I wish I knew how they wired for that TV at the entrance.. I want to do that for my room. Maybe just power and HDMI to a dedicated PC?
I highly doubt this is 17.5.10; That numerical system does not describe how many speakers you have but how many UNIQUE channels you have. If you have 5 unique subwoofer channels it would sound muddy and the clarity would be terrible. It could possibly be 17.1.10 but even that seems unrealistic
Looks uncomfortable and overdone. And I don’t believe the sound is going to be that good. It will be messy and muddy at best. Too many speakers in too places. Which is why they have to keep readjusting it. Imagine you have to go into this overpriced cave to sit down and watch a movie. Just not comfortable. Also not a good looking room at all. Looks more like a teenage technology room rather than a classy theater. Overall not impressed.
Messy and muddy was absolutely not the experience I had. I would like to have had more base, but the homeowner specifically prefers a very flat frequency response. But that’s his taste and nothing wrong with that. Fortunately, he didn’t build it for you, he built it for him to enjoy in his family
