357 Sig vs 357 Mag!!! - GIANT CLAY BLOCKS 

Amen, brother!!

No, that would be the 45 acp. 😊

@@SouthernGreyShark Not even close. I own two .45 ACPs and no .357s at present, but for an all-around round the .357 is superior is almost every way, except the length and case design which makes autoloaders challenging. However, from every other aspect the .357 is the winner.

@@LTVoyager Blowing up clay targets, certainly the 357 is more impressive. But IMO, when it comes to self defense & stopping a human being the best, I believe the slower but far larger 45 acp round is better overall than the faster but much smaller 357 round. That's taking everything into account, including (over) penetration and recoil. Honestly, IMO even the 10mm is a better option than the 357 mag when it's self defense as the goal. But if pure ft lbs of energy is the only measure, hell, go with a 44 mag.

@@SouthernGreyShark Thankfully, I’ve never had to shoot a human so I can’t compare the cartridges that way. However, if you look at the video titled 1800 shootings…, the .357 outperforms the .45 nearly across the board. And surprisingly, the .380 and even .22 do surprisingly well. I suspect the issue is shot placement in the case of the latter as most shooters are simply more consistently accurate with lower recoiling rounds. I still carry a .45 as my EDC, but as I move deeper into my 60s, the recoil of the XDs .45 gets more noticeable every year. I am seriously considering a 9mm (also for cheaper ammo) or maybe a .357 Sig. If there was a way to make a compact semiautomatic handgun in .357 Mag, that would be my first choice. Caliber debates are fun, but I think we all know that shot placement almost always trumps cartridge choice.

You wouldn’t be part of an IUWG command would you? I was trained to do the same job but later, ‘77-‘80.

@@dr.froghopper6711 We were one of a group of Destroyer Escort Radar DER picket ships that established Operation Market Time. We did meet up with some folks from IUWG off and on.

Thank you sir. Thank you for your sacrifices and pain for our great nation.

Did you ever shot someone with a .357 mag?

Nice. I went to a cool Tiger Zoo in Subic Bay like 10 years ago

I own several revolvers. Different calibers. But my fav is the 357 mag. Which I have 2 of.

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There's just a Goldilocks effect to a .357 revolver. Its just right.

@@michaelvanbenschoten2165 357 mag and .44 mag 👍

What is the best bullet type in your rifle for hogs?

Any kind of hollow point

@@billellington9754 180 grain buffalo bore hardcast works well or the 158 grain heavy 357 is good too

@@billellington9754 Lever gun---357 JSP 158 gr

I live in Spring Branch, TX and have a Marlin .357 mag/.38 Spcl. Lever gun, never fired it yet but looking forward to it!

I went .357 mag for my first handgun too. A 7 shot Taurus tracker with 4" full lug barrel. I've literally put thousands and thousands of everything from 38's to full house 357 hand loads and it's still ticking. Things a tack driver too. All these years and guns later, I still have a smile every time I dig it out for some shooting.

The day I turned 18 I bought a 303. Enfield Jungle Carbine for 100 bucks even. When I turned 34 rifle hunting became legal in my state. I took my first buck with it. I’ve had people offer me crazy money for it. I’ll never get rid of it. In the dead of winter that rifle is warm when I touch it. She’s my first true crush.

Probably good to see a 9mm too, seeing as it's the closest to the 357 (9mm = .354", 10mm = .394"), just as far as boolat diameter goes.

He actually already did 357 magnum vs 10mm.

@@Steve-sd7wk your math is incorrect.

@@joshb951 uhhhhhhhhh, nope. That's right. 10mm is .394", 9mm is .354".

@@Steve-sd7wk Hahaha........NOPE!!!

Ammunition selection changes all that.

@@user-zv2eu1vj4l while your first point is obviously true, and ribs and bone can challenge the performance of intermediate calibers like 380 and 9mm, there is no reason, based on empirical data, to believe that the same thing would be true for either 357 cartridge. Secondly, the 357 Sig does not do a maximum of 1350fps w 125gr, that's the minimum, some loads like Underwood do 1550fps or more from a 4 inch barrel, and if you check Lucky Gunner Labs, you'll see that round-for-round, the 357 Sig and Mag are basically identical performers from a 4 inch barrel. In fact, 357 Sig has the same standard deviation in velocity among many loads as it does within several shots from the same load. 357 Sig basically duplicates 357 magnum in similar loads from a similar gun, but 357 Mag has some hotter loads and a lot that are made for hunting, which generally means deeper penetration than defense ammo.

@@user-zv2eu1vj4l Sanow and Marshall, while relevant data sets, are also old as hell, especially considering their book was written before 357 Sig was created, was largely the motivation behind 357 Sig, and the defense loads available in 1992 have all been eclipsed by modern loadings. There are obvious issues with Sanow and Marshalls results, for example the fact that, with fewer defense shootings total, the 10mm and 44 Magnum both have lower one shot stop percentages than 40 and 45. You don't have to be a scientist to see the comparative performance of those calibers, with modern defense bullets, totally eclipse the abilities of 40 and 45 ACP both. The problem with only referencing anecdotal data is that you only have the shootings that are available to you to reference, there is no control set, unless you balance it against relevant modern testing of modern bullets. To put it simply, a flesh wound with a 44 magnum is going to be less effective at stopping a person than a 9mm to center mass, and that may be reflected in an anecdotal analysis, but you'd have to be a stupid person to think that a CM shot from 44 magnum would be equally ineffective. Ammunition reliability and performance technology has only gotten better, and with modern ammunition, 357 Sig absolutely mimics 357 Magnum in 125gr ammo from a 4-5 inch barrel. The difference in performance between the two in an actual shooting would be based more on bullet placement than cartridge. Another good reference point is the Paul Harrell meat target. While obviously not a perfect anologue for a human torso, the pork ribs do accurately represent what a bullet does when it hits bone. A much better comparison than the 2 357s would be 357 Mag versus 9mm. In gel, they can have VERY similar penetration and expansion numbers, and many people would consider that to mean they are equally effective. What you and I are recognizing here, that MOST modern analysts don't, is that humans and animals FEEL a gunshot wound, which is not quantified in any study especially a gel test, and that therefor energy matters, and considering Marshall and Sanow and many other studies, energy matters a hell of a lot, all other things being equal. Like I said, among the variety of Sig and Magnum loads, you will have some more effective for defense than others, but overall I think they are close enough to be considered basically equal. Gold Dot in Sig is definitely going to perform better than Hi Shok in Magnum, and vice versa. By the Sanow and Marshall methodology, calibers with more shooting incidents available tend to be rated as having a higher one-shot stop percentage. Edit: I misquoted the release of Handgun Stopping Power as released in 1992, but that was Marshalls first book on the subject. The point stands, even in 2001 ammo tech was far behind what we have today. Also, good cross-reference resources are Greg Ellifritz and Massad Ayoob, they discuss issues with methodology and results in Marshall and Sanows work. 380 ACP does NOT surpass 38 Special for defense, especially not today.

Hunting four legged critters need blood trail?

@@jayveeadvincula2884 it helps, and for something like whitetail deer, its fundamental, because its very hard to anchor them in place reliably with ANY cartridge. Blood trail helps w tracking.

ammo choice will change where the energy is dumped.

I'm pretty sure if the magnum was more centered it would do something similar.

@C.R. Chandler - In video it looked like the magnum had more energy and did far more damage to the block than the Sig. The most powerful 357 Sig vs the most powerful 357 magnum, the magnum is the winner, even in a revolver.

​@@The77Game I was thinking the same thing .

I've always wanted to see a company put 357sig in a carbine. Idk how much the velocity gain would be but it still would be pretty cool. Would probably do good in a longer bbl loaded with something like longshot.

its a whole lot closer to 9mm(.355 caliber), more or less a fat nine

@cwlongshot I said it was a fat 9, meaning it was just a tad bit more than a 9mm. 9mm NATO isn't too far behind that round. Especially out of my 16" barrel.

I get a P220 45 ACP it's a heck of a pistol.

I love my 226 it's 40 with a 357sig barrel which I shoot every once in awhile.

Another "spray and pray" LEO because they generally get away with zero consequences, unlike us pesky citizens.

Those terminate small four legged predators almost instantly with my Ruger GP100 6" stainless.

He also went from a Spear Gold-Dot FMJ to a Winchester JHP so there's gonna be a difference in performance between the two based on bullet construction & of course, the difference in performance grade. Still wouldn't wanna get shot with either one of these! 😬

That's one reason why they're so great for self defense, they dump their energy quickly into the target

@@tonymaquero5823 The speer gold dot is a hollow point, not a FMJ.

Compare the two calibres with the same grain you can't. Use 357 Sig 220 grain and 357 mag 110grain there. Is a huge difference in projectile weight

With that being said as expensive as 357sig is wouldn't they still be cheaper than plus p in 9mm

Might as well lump 357 mag into that group as well. Most commercially available 357 mag ammo is basically right around book starting loads. I keep seeing all these videos trying to compare auto loaders to 357 mag but the fact is that there are very few companies that actually load 357 mag to it's potential. When you compare apples to apples (full power loads out of equal length barrels) the fact remains that you can't get magnum performance out of a semi-auto pistol without stepping up to a Desert Eagle or the like.

Ditto!

I feel the same it’s the only caliber with the right gun that you can own two guns with the price of one. I love the 357 caliber more than anything else.

Three guns actually. You can get 40 S&W to 9mm barrels as well. My P229 shoots 9, 40, and 357.

I was not aware of this. Game changer.

10mm is best mm iv been carrying for 12 years iv shot and killed bear and deer.

Same

I’d love to see 9mm+P vs .357 Sig!

3.57 sig vs 10mm.

@@laskosaturno2736 That would be a good one too!

I bet you'd also like to see a 38 Special vs 357 Magnum, considering that a 9mm to a 357 Sig is pretty much the same comparison, both use the same bullet, just different velocity.

'dumped all it's power' pretty much means 'expanded enough to slow way too quickly'

@@mdd1963 no, the best thing for a handgun round is for it to do is put all its power into the intended target and not over penetrate and cause danger to bystanders.

@@robertgeiger1306 the BHD?! 'Blessed Energy Dump'?

Basically what I said, thanks for agreeing!

i was thinking the same, that "hydrostatic" shock clay received is enormous and don't got through enough to injure somebody else😉

I was able to find some good quality 357sig reman range ammo for a decent price. I paid 189.00 for 250 rounds 2 weeks ago. It was from an NC company called outdoor limited.

Many company's make replacement barrels that fit multi caliber platforms. I run a LoneWolf .357Sig barrel in my G23. I train with the cheaper and plentiful .40, then for CC I put the .357 Sig barrel back int he weapon. The .357Sig ammo fits perfectly in the .40 caliber barrel and holds the same number of rounds as the .40. More than likely you can find a .40 barrel for your G33 to train with.

@@whiplash8277 I do the same with my Sig Pro... I train with tje .40 barrel, but when I carry that pistol (I regularly change my carry pistol depending on what Im wearing, where Im going, and if I want to open or conceal carry) I switch to the 357sig barrel. I have more 357sig defensive ammo than .40 right now.

Get a 40cal barrel :)

@@whiplash8277 you know you can get a 9mm conversion barrel to make it a little cheaper to practice (at least it was pre covid). You would also need a glock 19 mag though.

I'll vouch brother they are whole hearted a good round for close to short medium range white tail. Learned from experimenting with many rounds thru my marlin.

Yes. Its a bonded bullet. Velocity should be around 1700+ fps in a 158 grain bullet out of that Henry. Try to avoid the scapula if you can though. I have 2, 357 rifles and handload for them. 20 inch Henry big boy steel and an older break action 22 inch handi rifle. Mostly with XTP bullets though. 16 inch barrels seem to give you the most bang for your buck. More barrel after 16 depending on your powder will slow your bullet back down.. Personally have no recent experience with 158 Gold dots in the rifles though I did work 6 years at ATK here in Lewiston making them and they are top notch

Yup

@@FoulPet I didnt say I would take it over a G19 per se, just between these 2 selections. In the environment you described, do you think a 17 round magazine is really what will save you? Evasion and escape at that point. I dislike auto-loaders with necked cartridges for several reasons, so in this case .357 magnum in a pocket or ankle backup configuration pistol

@@FoulPet Wall of text and point missed. Between THESE TWO choices I would take a .357 MAG over the SIG. But in reality a G19 is never not with me. Carry on

@@FoulPet cause u the man, man.

Didn't they cut the heat on 357 sig because it was chewing up barrels/chambers too quickly?

@@williamkious5349 No. They wanted to reduce recoil to make it more manageable.

The watered down rounds have been much less accurate for me than my handloads running the 125gr Gold dot at 1440fps with 800x. I love the 357 SIG with a case full of 800x, but am disappointed with the majority of the factory rounds.

@@big10hunter42 what's the starting powder load for 800x?

@@linkbond08 take a look at the “Hodgdon Reloading Data Center”. The only load listed with 800x is 10 grains of 800x with the 125gr Gold Dot projectile. They also have data for other bullets and powders. Please reference their published data for full details. Thanks!

@@big10hunter42 love that 800x. Shame they no longer offer it. What do we, as handloaders, have available that could equal it? I’ve looked into others(Longshot, BlueDot, vv3n38, and slower powders like Enforcer/4100) but am unsure at this point if the even could equal it

I've got about 8 pounds of 800X I managed to grab back when nobody was buying it, and I use it exclusively to load top performing .460 Rowland ammo. It's an old flake powder not meant for modern powder deliver systems, but does meter quite well through my Redding 10X.

I've got a model 57 41 mag that I bought in Alaska on a fishing trip back in like 91. Big signs in all the state parks up there to carry a rifle or big bore hand gun. For the bears ya know lol. Thankfully I never had to use it on that trip but I still love that gun. Bitch finding ammo tho.

I love my 41 mags, I have 5 of them right now.

My neighbor has rheumatoid arthritis and his daughter got him some kind of cbd lotion, so he can shoot and not be in pain (his joints aren't contorted and crippled up yet, just starting to enlarge and cause pain) might be worth checking out.

Try you a Kimber K6 Target it's an very nice revolver !

@@leegreene3059 i appreciate that! I’m already using it for that. I fight a neurological disorder along with the arthritis. The doctor said that, medically, they feel that my nerves need treatment more than my arthritis. So I get a strong anti inflammatory by mouth but nothing more for the creaky joints and injections 3x/wk for the nerves. It’s less than ideal but the CBD does help some. I taught myself blacksmithing about 40 years ago but didn’t realize what it was doing to the joints. I’m paying now.

Dr. when I went into the sheriff''s academy in 1978 they issued us Colt Trooper Mark III's a boat anchor of a gun but handled the .357 very well. I was sorry I had to let it go when the dept went to .40 Glocks in the late 80's, tried to buy the Colt from the dept but they would not sell them.

Buddy, I had a Trooper Mk 111 ina 4", Nickel, that was one accurate pistol! I could hit an 8"plate at 100yards; great, great trigger. Traded on a big single shot pistol for future bear hunting; never used that 2nd pistol; what a waste on my part!

Why not just carry 9mm then

Learn how to aim and you wont need all them shots 🤣

@@sparky_-mf2cs Learn how to aim and you won't need them super powerful rounds either :)

@@davidh9659 🤣 but if i miss i wana make sure i blind them atleast

LOL Okay shoot once, hit the target in a vital place and there is no need for 13 more shots or even 5 more. Now if you are in a war zone, things are different. But I'd say in either case. Practice the one-shot one-kill scenario at the range. Get good at that and it's a moot point to talk about needing 14 rounds. After all, most people that want a handgun, want it for personal/self-defense if they ever need it (and I hope no one would ever need it for that). We are not soldiers out here fighting in Vietnam or the Middle East somewhere. Now that all haveing been typed! Between the two, I'd say the sig on recoil is more manageable, but if you want to make sure the perp doesn't get back up! 357 mag all the way. But then there is the argument of shot placement is everything. In that, then all you'd need would be a single shot 22 cal.

Or get a speed loader?

Awesome

No way!!!! Song is from Brent Saunders on RU-vid