9mm vs 45acp vs 357sig - CLAY BLOCKS!!! 

Tough call. Those are good rounds

That is why I carry a Smith & Wesson .357 sig. But I do have to say I love my 1911's also. Deer hunt with a 6 inch 10mm, and have 17 different 1911s. Great content and look forward to all your videos. Keep it up.

Any chance you could put a bullet catcher of some sort behind the blocks? Just some wadded up old blankets or clothing would do, I'd really like to see the bullets after passing through.

357 sign 😅😅😅

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DITTO THAT!

Yes, it is. Don't know why it never caught on that much. Any one I ever shot felt like a hot 9mm. Less recoil then a 40S&W. But they sure are loud.

10mm 357 sig right after

10mm is a beast

I currently own 2 after market .357sig stainless barrels for my M&P 2.0, Glock 22 gen 4(used). The ballistics of the .357 is impressive ✅️. The -s are muzzle blast, noise. 💥 .357sig pistols were issued for years by many state agency & federal LE. I've owned 10mm guns in the past & might get a 10mm barrel for my big Glock 41 .45acp model. Glock Store.

Wiseman indeed.

Troof

An English teacher?

Oh come on, the 9mm would probably do less damage than a BB gun .................. it probably wouldn't even break the skin.

My thoughts exactly.

As a Sig fanboy I'm pretty upset that neither of my Sig pistols are offered in .357-S

A 9mm is made for 90 pound girls that can't handle the recoil but it is a nice starter gun for kids to learn with. Myself like the 357 mag Ruger six shooter revolver because it shoots straighter, holds a bigger powder load for that extra knock down and if you know how to do it empties fast then semi autos. The six shooter is slower to load but in home and personal defense if you know how to shoot one shot should do the trick.

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor Quit being a fan boy and get what comes in that caliber. There are many fine brands out there and who knows, you my like it better. I'm a Ruger fan boy but I do have a way over priced Colt I got in a trade so I can say I have a gun with the little pony on the handle six shooters are expected to own but I use a Ruger because Colts won't hold up for fast draw.

@@neganrex5693 My current financial situation means I have to make do with what I've already got for the time being.

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor I hear you good man. I'm getting in the same shape with the way things are going because of that ding dong we have in the white house that can't even find his way off the stage. I wish you the best of luck and God bless fellow gun owner.

I have to agree with you. Yes it is underappreciated. By far. It really is a beast as u put it. Well spoken.

You got it brother. G33 all the way.

I do too.

The problem I see with .357 sig is that the ammo is so darn expensive and hard to find, it's cheaper and easier to find 5.7x28 ammo than .357 sig. ammo. And believe me, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a handgun chambered for .357 sig if the ammo was more readily available.

@@bdr32965 underwood always has it in stock.

Awesome

I currently use Federal HST brand 125gr .357sig but the Big Green bonded GS design looks ✅️.

@@DavidLLambertmobile can’t beat hst performance. That’s what I have for my other carry options. Did a lot of research and saw that the golden sabers were pretty comparable to the hst in how they perform and got really good reviews. Saw a really good deal on the bonded golden sabers that I couldn’t pass on. They are accurate and cycle flawlessly through my pistol.

@freedj27 1 online source had both 125gr Speer Gold Dot .357sig & Federal HST 50rd boxes 📦 around the same price. 1 minor - with factory Federal HST is the cosmetic appearance of the .357sig loads but that's minor. I'd buy either Speer Gold Dot or HST. The Bonded GS .357sig rounds are + too. Remington to their credit has vastly improved the QC in 2021/2022/2023.

Same rounds in my G33..AWESOME weapon.

A hit with a .22 beats a miss with a .44 mag., in my humble opinion. I used to carry a lightweight S&W in .357 mag. for back up. First 3 were Winchester Silver tip 147 gr. and the rest were Federal Hydra Shok heavy recoiling. This was per Maasad Ayoob testing in Combat Handgun magazine years ago. The 147's had a lot less recoil and flash in low light, ( while still .357 mag velocity over .38+p). He tested his loading hunting deer if I remember correctly. It worked well for me. First 3 I could put on target great with quicker follow up shots. If those didn't do it the next ones were barn burners that would wrench your wrist, ( for on top of you scenarios). Again years ago and for backup. For duty it was 9 or 45. Both with Speer Gold Dot.That department allowed your choice of carry and ammo at that time.

They all get it done.

@@kentuckywindage222 I have a Ruger P89 9mm for home and a 3" Python for carry. I am not a big fan of a bunch of plastic in my handguns. I had paper roll pop guns as a kid in the 70's that were all metal. I grew up. Now all my real handguns are metal too. I use PMC 124gr Starfire JHP for the 9mm and Underwood 357 Mag 140gr. Xtreme Penetrator for the Python.

@@ottomatix3397 While that maybe true, back in the day New York, again if I remember correctly, had their officer's carry 9mm full metal jackets. The incidents that happened were used for training. A perp with a knife, (of small stature mentioned) shot several times, still managed to cut up and officer. Still fighting being loaded into an ambulance. Another shot in the teens of times managed to run across a freeway before collapsing. I've saw .22 long rifle deter a would be robber and about a mile later at a stop light fall out of his vehicle on to the pavement. 5' 8" 170 lbs male survived. I survived a shotgun blast at close range. That was in 93. Lot of damage, shrapnel, half liver lost with 5 pellet in what I have, right kidney, some intestine, half the muscle in my right back, 7 section of rib, hole cantaloupe size in back, hole in abdominal wall as well, right lower lob of lung, shards of bone and lead up and down my spine in that area etc. 2 years later I went back to work in a small town as a city officer. It wasn't long until my body wouldn't allow me and retired 100% disabled. Lot's of health problems. Stopped me in my tracks. With pistols and the right ammo stopping a human is still not like in the movie's or so it would seem from my perspective and humble knowledge. On the other hand a long gun is for offense and a shotgun within it's given range......imagine being hit full swing with a sledgehammer and a torch and hornets nest inside you. In the 70's a friend of mine in KSP said .357 mag with Remington 125 gr Semi jacketed hollow points in the K5 zone had a one shot stop rate. This was my Chief whom I trusted my life in situations.

12 gauge hands down is very best for home.

Speer Gold Dot is used more by police than any other round. Can't get much more use than the most.

@Richard T I love Gold Dot but I was mainly talking about the 357sig round

You hunt Kangaroos and Ostrich with it huh 😅

@@gtrfreak kangaroos and ostriches aren't predators

The easiest ammo to find where I live is 9mm. A weapon is worthless without ammo - especially when one SHOULD practice regularly.

All three rounds are sufficiently lethal, but the Sig makes them stop what they are doing that is dangerous to you faster. Look at police shootings. Notice how many suspects have to be riddled to effect a stop.

Great, timeless piece to carry.

Too big....

@@davelowets That's what she said. 😆

@@BoomStuff556 Yep. I hear that all the time.... Not.. 😕

@@davelowets That's why I married a woman with small hands. 😄👍

The entire concept around the .357Sig was to get the velocity of a 357Mag out of a semiautomatic. The Secret Service carries the .357Sig as standard. They ain't dumb and they aren't playing around.🤷‍♂️

Bottleneck rounds are a sonofabitch. The 7.62 Tokarev round is a known killer as well.

No 45 was way on the left it needed another shot

@@awakeforever Yes. The .45 was definitely WAY left. The 9 and 45 were about the same.

In my view. There is 0 wrong with .357sig but I prefer .40S&W or 9mm +P. .357 do have 🔊 & flash but with training you get a lot out of a Glock 32, P229R, M&P, etc.

The 9mm results were pathetic.

Yes 40sw with 165 grain, not too slow and weak 180 grain. The reason is 9 mm perform so poorly is because he used too heavy of a bullet. You have to have velocity and those heavy bullets are only about 1000+ fps.

​@@billblue4710Bad bullet choice is why. Too heavy.

U might consider a 9mm conversion bbl for the G22 also, u just use a G17 mag. In my G31 357sig I use a G22 bbl & 9mm conv. Bbl, I use the 9mm most though (I've got a lot of ammo)😊

.38 Super in 1911 is a pretty potent package. Just something to consider.

@@britskihambone8158 the 10mm is getting popular in 1911s also, it's quite a bit more potent than the 38 super😊 then theirs the 400 corbon I use to.

you can get a Sig P226 or P229 chambered in 357sig. You may even be able to find one in SAO, otherwise, the DA/SA works very nice. Yeah, not a 1911 but it's still a hammer fire and the P226 platform is one of the greatest around, IMO.

Go big or go home?

@@chrissewell1608 The only way to go !! Lol

Based

10s are coming back. People using for bear deterrent but I don't trust it. 44 mag better for bear!

Swap the barrel on your 10mm to a 357sig conversion barrel. This setup really tames the .357sig to true 9mm levels of handling.

Apparently it surprises a lot of people on forums and what have you because even after all these years, all these zillions of tests that have been doing similar things in all manner of gel tests with and without barriers for at least 15 years, people largely say the same thing over and over again; "Bigger bullet equals bigger wound, equals more bleed out." It appears that no matter how many times they see the same thing over, and over, and over, and over again, they still decide to perpetually suffer from suspension of disbelief syndrome, I think because they are emotionally invested in their pet caliber and belief system of cartridge. More than just a smaller bullet and bigger hole, what you'll also find repeatedly is a longer wound track in a lot of the lighter, faster bullets than the heavier, slower bullets if that has any value to a potential consumer. Speed coupled with the correct grain weight of bullet and overall bullet construction of projectile does in fact make a difference in JHP handgun rounds. A huge difference in fact to the discerning and even moderately objective observer. But for those that are married to and have formed a codependent relationship with their defensive handgun caliber round, they have a high hurdle to overcome before they'll be seeing the forest for the trees.

It's a .40 S&W necked down to a 9mm. That gives very high velocity. Actually the .40 really cranks em when you use lighter bullets. All I buy now are 165 grain in .40, I don't even mess with slow and weak 180 anymore.

@@actionjksn actually it’s 10mm neck down. Different case thickness than.40. Not sure why authors still put that out there.

@@sekhemmontu7072 You're right 10mm is listed as the parent case. But 10mm is also listed as the parent case for the .40 S&W. The reason people usually say that it is a necked down .40 is because they also trimmed the SIG length down to almost the same length as the 40 Smith & Wesson case. Sig case is 21.97 mm length .40 S&W case length is 21.6. I could not find any evidence that they make the brass thinner for .40 S&W than 10mm and SIG. I can't even find what would motivate them to do so. 10mm auto is only 2,000 psi more than .40 S&W, so 35,000 vs 37,000 for the 10mm. That just doesn't seem like enough difference for them to want to switch to a thinner metal. It might save 1/100 of a cent for a bullet If it saves anything at all. And for what?

@@actionjksn yes 10mm is the parent case for both. However, the case is cut making it shorter for .40 versus crimping the neck area down to hold a smaller round for .357 sig. Which means saying .357 sig parent case is .40 an incorrect statement. Manufacturers have the casting for all the rounds they produce and by virtue of requiring less metal to prevent case rupture, there is a difference in metal thickness and in large quantities, would make a large savings in production costs. Less metal is less expensive.

I'm guessing if the .45 ACP was in a lighter weight bullet it would have been equal to the .357 Sig, if it had a .185 gr. bullet with a +P charge it would have surpassed the .357Sig.

@@phillhuddleston9445 Younger shooters seem to favor higher capacity, but I think the hot 45acp loads are a great self defense round. I'm old (lol).

@@phillhuddleston9445 Very possible!

I bought a used range Glock 41 gen 4, .45acp in 2022, $325. I added a few parts, midnight Cerakote Elite. TFX Pro orange night sights. I carry Underwood Ammo +P 185gr JHPs or Federal HST 230gr +P. The 41 feeds and cycles .45 with no jams, no problems.

@@phillhuddleston9445 This would be a fun comparison to see

Sig Sauer makes a 1911 in .357Sig

They are badass! All I shoot for defense now.

Same here. The added velocity in my testing with the Underwood Xtreme Defense makes for unreal energy at close range.

It did a poor job because he used 147s which are way too slow. 124s would have looked a lot better.

@@actionjksn 185gr out of the 45 would have been even faster and more explosive.

@@TexanUSMC8089 Even 200s would have hit harder.

Tom..... Experts have been trying to tell "people" about this simple principle of, "The shot seems to have come from the front" for 60yrs!!!( Since the Kennedy assassination) Here, thanks to this simple little demo with some clay, and cute little faces, it is again demonstrated very clearly thanks to Who Tee. However, it is a mind melter visualizing how it works that way.🤔

There are .357 rounds designed to expand more and penetrate less. Hydro shock is one round that is designed this way but there are many more.

To be clear, the .357sig caliber was used by FAMS ✈️ & the US Secret Service for many years. The DE state troopers were the 1st to tote .357sig P229s. Texas DPS troopers had P226s in .357sig for years.

.45acp is big but slow. It will literally bounce off of Cinder Blocks.

Dude the round that has over penetration is the 147 9mm. The sig in 125 blows up and uses its energy effectively and then stop. That is as long as it has a good hollow point that expands as it should. Let me say it again the 9mm in 147 sux!!!

Exactly! My personal experience is 357 sig over-penetrates. 45acp doesn’t carry nearly as far passed target, and doesn’t have rise while firing as 357sig does. Accuracy is key; I carry mostly Glock 23 (40cal). My 40cal performs very well, and is better controlled than 357sig.

Sounds like you need to reevaluate where you go and who you associate with.

@@adamshaw8214 Yeah...I wasn't given much choice at the time.

@@getoffmylawn8986 lam glad you survived your encounter and had the ability to respond! Welcome back!

@@getoffmylawn8986 I am assuming that you served in our military? If so, thank you very much for your service and I’m glad you survived the experience. I’m a big fan of the.45 ACP and particularly in the 1911. But I plan on adding a Smith and Wesson Shield in .45 ACP to my collection in the very near future. 😊

@@lynnvandevander262 I have a 45 Shield, great carry pistol.

You will see something between the 9 and the 45.

Really? That, stopping power and greater capacity is why LE went to 40 Smith.

It was a good choice and definitely has some serious performance upgrades over the 38sp. Most places were stuck with that by politicians and it's cheap mentality. Well that and we look bad if we shoot someone. 9 mm back in 80/90's was less than stellar. The 40 had a great combination with better rounds. Except on door frames. Straight on sure thru steel fire doors easily where 9 mm didn't go thru. But at same time was a hazard for placement became the key. 357 was the game changer so was the 10mm but a lot of weapons were large or unweildly. 357's problem is ammo cost and the snoflaking reiterating peace don't hurt anyone. Sometimes you have to shoot and do you want to keep doing it or stop the problem once. 357 and bean counters simply are loosing to the economy. It's to hard to get runs of ammo for use. Unless custom from underwood but then snowflakes and lawyers complain your out to kill people. Umm no but that big hole stopped them so we could get them to a dr.

What's your life worth ?? With the cost of ammo now it's no more than .40 and most 9mm rounds .. 50 rounds of American eagle for 24$

Shot placement is everything!

@@MichelleObamaIsPackinASack That is a silly argument. 9mm is more than adequate 99% of the time. I am not going to buy into another caliber just because it did well in a clay test. I am not rich and if I can't afford the ammo to practice and get proficient its not a good investment.

@@Aubrey_Yates I wouldn't buy into any caliber over a clay test ... if 9 is your flavor go for it ... never said it's not adequate... just I prefer the .357 ..

@@MichelleObamaIsPackinASack It's all good. I am on a budget so I have to pick what makes the most sense. If I had the money I would have one of every caliber. 🤣

I think if the 9mm was a 124gr. and the .45 ACP was a 185gr the results would have been closer to the .357 Sig.

@@phillhuddleston9445 9mm (9x19) and 357 sig are both 9mm projectiles so a same bullet grain weight loading would be a interesting comparison

@@jimmieburleigh9549 That was my point, had both the 9 and .357 been at their lower end of the weight scale and the .45 been at it's which is 185 gr. it would have been a more fair test.

Yessir 💯 with you on that! 💪

They have pushed the 9mm narrative so much, that it's sickening. Also some of the folks are a little soft, and don't want any recoil. I will carry a 9mm if I have Critical Duty or HST ammo only. Other than that I carry a 357Sig and shoot with my arthritic hands. The 357Sig is a very good round! ( .40 caliber too)

I have a .357 Sig, but the ammo is just too darn expensive.

@kenthomas942 I reload and have been fortunate enough to have the forethought to get the components to reload all of the calibers I own.

Yep and 230 gr. is too heavy for the .45ACP, a 185 gr. would have been a lot better comparison.

9mm sucks ass

I actually prefer the clay so the cavitation showing how much hydraulic shock would occur is more easily visible.

Thanks for watching

I thought the same thing at first too, but then I realized that 9 mm and 147 gr and 45 ACP in a 205 gr are both common for personal defense. I don’t know much about 357 Sig, but I agree it would have been nice to see that in a similar weight as the 9 mm.

I have the same issue and the problem here is only one manufacturer makes a heavy 147gr JHP for .357Sig and that's Hornady's XTP. 9x19, .40 and .45ACP all have three bullet weights i.e. light (115gr/155gr/185gr) medium (124gr/165gr/200gr) and heavy (147gr/180gr/230gr) respectively. Ideally it should have been a 124gr +P GS Bonded (they do exist), against a 200gr +P GS Bonded (don't exist unfortunately) and 125gr .357Sig. That said, I prefer the 147gr Remington GS in 9x19, it just performs better, especially the bonded version. Awesome test overall and please catch them for us next time, so we can see what they look like expanded :)

@@thepatriotsrage661 I think for the .45ACP the 185gr +p and a 124gr.+p for the 9mm would have been a better comparison because the .357Sig is basically a +p already.

Those are standard weights the round was designed around. All of those calibers have lighter and heavier loads both in weight and +P so what's the point? Infinite sliding scale on all of them.

There is no comparison...357sig >40sw....it has greater velocities...greater penetration..greater energy (+100-150ft/lbs) 357sig is closer to 10mm performance

​@@kevinrichardson8859 basically same velocities for similar bullet weights, easier to find downloaded 40 though. Penetration is mostly down to bullet construction.

@@powerbagle and sectional density which 357sig has the advantage at all bullet weights due to the. 355

Antonio, you'll like the P320 full size in that caliber. My favorite weapon.

Exactly what I was thinking bro….. was gonna say but you did first 😂

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Loving my Storm!

9mm works well with good ammo. I carry a Sig 365 in warm weather because it conceals better. Still rather have a 357 Sig. Much more likely to effect a one or two shot stop. That said, placement counts.

no but we did find some in the neighbors cat.

The 9mm results were terrible. I can’t see how you came to any other conclusion.

@@billblue4710 the 9mm load shown hitting the clay was the 147 grain JHP loading. That’s a standard weak loading. Let’s see a 124 grain +p JHP in the 9mm. That’s a much more effective round. That’s also the beauty of the 9mm-the ability to adjust the power level of your load.