@@WHOTEEWHO I prefer 357 but bullet choice is everything and of course accuracy so get ya ass to put in range time to become more proficient shot but can I say a bigger clay block to capture slugs see if they performed as they should. Winchester ranger t series hollow point are great rounds be great to see video testing them bad ass rounds in any caliber 👍🇮🇹🦊🐾🇬🇧
I wouldn’t want to get shot by a 45 automatic either slower moving bullet but almost twice as large and weight 100% energy transfer no chance of it passing through you get the full affect
I carried a nickel 19 bull barrel as my first duty gun as a deputy sheriff as well. I later traded it on a 686, which I still have. It was the last wheel gun I carried before my agency went to semi-autos. 31 years later, still on the job and I still have 4 of the duty guns I carried during that time.
@@raybates3119 Never can you go wrong with a S & W 686 !! Thank you for all your years of service. 👍🏻 Please continue to stay safe. All the best from Alabama 🙏
@@markstomberg1384 in the day of Fred Flintstone long before the internet when hard cast and Winchester Silvertip bullets were King, 44 mag didn't beat 41mag by much.
It would be helpful to compare a 158 gr .357 to 155 gr. 100 to get a closer comparison. 125 gr hp has a crazy amount of energy and gets maximum expansion and energy dump. A180 gr 10 mm won’t expand as much and will penetrate more.
there are ported barrel version of 357 mag with 8 shot capacity from Taurus. There are 8 shot version from S&W as well. 357 mag is a good choice of wood defense when you are carrying 8 instead of 5 or 6
The damage is more about velocity. Load a 155 in 10mm, and a 158 in the 357, and youll have a fair comparison. Keep up the videos, good to see the splatter.
100% Comparisons between different guns, different grains, different barrel lengths is like... well, we know what it's like. I was drinking tequila that night so of course I outperformed the guy with the bigger clay block. ;-)
@@Wildwestwrangler The first two rounds in my 10mm are Underwood using Lehigh Defense 115 grain Xtreme Defense bullets. Use them because they are barrier blind and don't deform if I have to shoot though walls, doors or cars. Underwood rates them at 1,700 fps and 738 ft. lbs of energy at the muzzle. They are cooking and create a gigantic temporary shock cavity / hydrostatic shock. I back them up with Underwood using Hornady XTP bullets rated at 1,500 fps and 775ft. lbs. 10mm is the best mm.
That would NOT be a fair comparison. Every bullet has an optimal weight per powder charge. For 10mm, that's 165gr (.40 is better with 155). For .357 that's 125gr. You can deviate from those up or down, but you'll see diminishing gains in actual energy delivered on target.
Yup, you hit both. The 357 appeared to hit in the top third while the 10mm was pretty close to dead center. If they both hit dead center, I think the pattern of destruction would be similar, with the 10mm hole being larger. I can’t say how much larger due to the dynamics of speed vs mass and different bullet sharpe. The energy dump for both is huge and way more than than needed for self defense in most cases. It’s always cool to watch clay blocks being blown away. Another “fun video.”
I was very impressed the other day when you shot the 357 Sig. Something that I never considered, now I do will be adding one to the collection next month.
That sure was fun to watch! I love the feel of firing a .357 mag. Never shot a deer with one. I got a 10mm shot on a young buck once. One round to the neck and he was dead as fried chicken! The hole looked similar to that clay. Left a hole big enough to put a soda can through. Thanks for doing this one and sharing it with us!
I’ve got an ole’ 30-06’, that will set them down, big time! But, much bigger round. I’ve shot just about everything up & including .35 caliber rifles, 30, 31, 32, 33’s, 348, 35 Wheelin, & REM. I had a Taurus Tracker Mod 627 in .357 Mag no scope, open sights. I was setting in my stand and 2 does came trotting by @ 20yrds, shot her in the neck w/Semi-Jacketed HP, 158grains. I’ve never seen a deer drop that fast, (a close 2nd is w/my .260 Rem. cause of insane penetration, I almost decapitated a young ButtonBuck w/139gr Lapua Scenar(not a hunting round)!! I felt awful for what that round did to that little deer, even though death was instantaneous). My oldest son dropped a (dry-146 Net), 150 class buck w/a .260Rem, he weighed at the locker plant 239lbs, gutted! Big ole buck never took a step! Ole buck been on trail cam 4yrs. My middle son shot a killed a doe w/his Taurus Model 809 semi-auto. Same result, dropped dead in her tracks! All I know is that a .357 & calibers in this “sweet spot”, are deadly for some reason. The 9mm is .355 in S.A.E., measurements so don’t dismiss the 9mm! I have 9mm factory ammo (specialty ammo), that generates 515lbs of energy. Your talking .357 territory there. So who knows? Lol
Hi, WTW. All I can say is, I laughed out loud when that 357 blew the clay to smithereens. I had no idea what was going to happen and I got an education. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
@James_wingthwong_ Banks the little girl is probably explaining to her parents what they’re doing with it lol. “Oh, that’s Who_Tee_Who and he’s just making another really fun video”
I'm a .357 guy all the way because of it's versatility. I practice a lot with .38 Special loads in a .357 chambered weapon but when it's show time it's .357 time. I'd love to see an addition to this video and that would be the same .357 cartridge fired out of a 20 inch barreled rifle. The increased velocity makes a big difference. Great video.
From 110gr to 200gr, it's super versatile. 158gr loads in Buffalo Bore run nearly 2200 fps in a 20" barrel. Buffalo Bore 180gr runs 1500 fps from a 6" Ruger.
Wheel Guns are like Mullets, You can Run .38 first three Round in the cylinder to stop the party. .357 Last three chambers when you want to get down to business.
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincessWhy would the use of caliber determine that you are going to jail? With the right loads either one is a great EDC. Round.i personally carry a kimber rapide in 10mm with 165 gr xtp bullets!
With the really hot load underwood ammo the 10mm is becoming the fast favorite for grizzly protection, from what I heard. The lighter gun is easier to carry than the revolvers that the 44 magnums and bigger shoots in. I'm a 357 magnum fan, but I guess the 10mm can work better when the right ammo is used. I would choose the 357 magnum, because I loved shooting the one I had years ago.
@@smolboyi With some hot 10mm loads, you're gonna have more power than a 357 magnum, it sounds crazy, but when 10mm came out it was some really hot stuff. The FBI rejected 10mm because the recoil was too much for their agents
@@connergarlock771 The search for hot 10s begins! Also I need a gun to shoot them haha. I mean whatever he's shooting here though, the 357s are hotter, no?
I love the 357, but I'm a 10mm guy to the end. The stopping power difference between the two seems negligible overall, and either is honestly more than suitable for self-defense, whether it'd be against a person or bear! I simply just prefer the lesser recoil (thus more follow up shots) and the higher 15 round capacity of the 10mm in my Glock 20. Not to mention it's noticebly cheaper than a 357 here in Wisconsin at least. I bought my Glock 20 for about $650, while the price of a 357 Magnum was anywhere from $950 up to $1,300.
Hi Mr Colvill, I thought you would be a good person to pose this thought's legitimacy to: I know 9mm is a faster flying round and gets great penetration. However, if I'm in a gunfight, I would rather make it harder for my opponent to successfully establish a good firing line/aim on me by throwing off his/her aim every time one of my rounds hit the opponent. The 9 does more penetration, but does it go thru too fast as a lighter bullet and thus, does nothing to throw off their aim due to the physics involved? The Cult of Luger, as I call them, loves skilling up till they can shoot 5 rounds off accurately around 1.5 secs. That does a great deal of damage to their opponent, but it requires them spend more time with their aim on that target before moving to the next. I think you could juggle two opponents theoretically putting a shot in each of them while moving to cancel out the "you get one but the other gets you" problem with a big caliber, plus you do more damage per round even if you have fewer rounds. And what about body armor? If I hit armor with a 10mm or .357, it would still impact hard enough the majority of times (depending on the mass and forward motion of the opponent) to force the opponent to regain line of fire. You dont have to throw aim off by much to cause them to miss. So, move more (till you get good cover), shoot less than 5 rounds a second, but hit them well with a big caliber. Therefore, penetration isn't the only thing that's important in a gunfight, but also impact effect to make it hard for the opponent to return fire successfully. Did your duty experience, or what you heard with officers using .357/10mm, match this scenario?
@@doates1670 Hi Mr Oates, I wrote a long but I think very good question to Mr Colvill that I'd appreciate your input on based on your real world experience and that of others you know who use big calibers over 9mm.
@@Amaransudes I've seen peeps shot with 9mm keep firing back but those hit with .357 go down because of speed and weight. I mostly carry .45 cal now due to capacity. The 9mm will work but I'll take weight over speed. Just my humble opinion. Hope this helps.
Well there is a reason why that they say that with all the calibers out there, that 125 grain jacketed hollow point in .357 is still the number one man stopper. I really wouldn't want to get hit with either round though!!!
@@matsgranqvist9928 so what’s your “legendary” round? 9mm? 😆 lol 357 might not be the best but it’s still a hot freakin round that annihilates whatever it hits (like most bullets tend to do)
10mm has become one of the most popular rounds for bear defense unless you're using a wheel gun then usually 44 mag is the minimum used going up to 454 or 500, but not everyone can shoot those large calibers well. 357 mag is more of a hog or deer round. But I get your point, deer are typically much harder to drop than most predators you would ever face on the street so therefore it's very adequate as well. In 10mm the 200 or 220 grain hard cast or FMJ hot loads works very well on bear.
@@duaneadkins1261 that’s right. I hear that a lot of people are using the 500!mag “Bear Edition” as well. It’s a shirt barrel (probably not fun to shoot) in their backpacks. They say it has around 2,700 Foot pounds of pressure (equal to a 12 gauge slug) Which is BONE crushing power. Anyways, good travels my man 👍
I love both the .357 and 10mm. Both have comparable energy. When it comes to Bear Medicine though I'll still pack my .44 loaded with REALLY NASTY HPR rounds!!! A very wicked combo!!! Good video!!!
@@elphi4321 I suspect the range from .38 Special to full strength .357 Mag, which can all be fired in the same revolver, is wider than the 10 mm power span.
I routinely carry both calibers, The 357 Mag. 125 gr. hollow point has long been recognized as the round with the most one shot stops. That said a 180 gr. 10mm at 1200 fps isn't a slouch either. The main difference is in the platform. Although they do make 357 autos, and a 10mm revolver they are not your normal concealed carry weapons. I do believe the 10mm would be a much better round if you were worried about a bear attack.
I've suggested this before but I'd like to throw in a reminder.... In the future would you Please put a stack of paper plates behind the clay (or water jugs, etc) to catch the rounds so we can see how much penetration power the rounds still have after passing through the first target.🙂 That would really increase the awesome\interesting\fun factor of an already great video. Thanks W-T-W!😉👍
I'm not sure how this is a real comparison. Different barrel lengths, and bullet grains. I'd think to be a more accurate test they should be as equal as possible to get the best results. But I myself have several .357 in varying models, makers, barrel lengths, and use a multitude of different ammo as it's readily available. I just love the old wheelguns and love their reliability.
@kirby road. The issue with that (imo) is that no matter how similar you get them it's still not going to matter much. Comparing 357 mag to 10mm even if utilizing the same bullet weights be it high or low grains & same length barrels it's still going to yield much different results because there still different bullets. Don't get me wrong. Shooting things with different bullet calibers is awesome. I like doing it myself. The reality is as long as your using these types of bullets for human defense your going to be fine. When defending yourself against large predator type animals in the woods stick with the big bullets such as 41 or 44 mag or 460 or 454 etc etc when using a handgun which I'd never recommend in the 1st place. I know people will tell me they or someone they know killed a black bear with a 22LR or 9mm due to shot placement etc etc. my problem with that is do you really want to bet your life or worse a family members life on your ability to have outstanding shoot placement. I know everyone on the internet has 1"groups @ 300 yards with a 45 acp & 9&10 mm's & all but when reality strikes & it's just you & that bear do you really want to square off with a 9 or 10 mm when you could be using a 308 or 3006, a 7mm08 a 45/70 or a slew of other more than capable rounds that will allow for a much better margin of error? I'm certain some are ok with that. Then again I've never really been much of a gambling man especially as it pertains to my family. Btw none of this was meant to be condescending. It's just my option.
I own both a .357 snubnose revolver and a 10mm glock 29 semi auto. They're both great and devastating, but the.357 is slightly more powerful however I only get 5 rounds, but the 10mm has 10 or 15 depending on the magazine. I usually carry the. 357 because it is smaller and more concealable, but if I'm on a road trip or in a bad neighborhood I could use the 10mm.
I'm with you. Time and again I see the 357 Magnum outperforming the 10mm. My first handgun in the mid 60s was a Colt Trooper 357 with a 6" barrel. Today I have a Taurus Model 627 Trooper with a 4" barrel, very much like your Model 66. Their hits are devastating.
The 357 doesnt outperform the 10mm though. Use similar rounds and then compare. There is a reason people are starting to use the 10mm for bear defense and not the 357
I've always liked my S&W 686/357. But my neighbor introduced me to "Rock Island 1911-10mm. I really like the feel of 1911 narrow handle fitting my hand better than wider grabbed Glock. (Glock's wide width makes my thumb's knuckle sore on recoils!) should I change calibers from 357 to 10mm because I like accuracy an feel of different gun? I also have a Winchester 357 saddle gun, to stay with 357mag.
I think if you had used a heaver bullet in the .357 the results would have been more similar. The 125 gr. bullet in the 357 exploded and the 10mm passed through for deeper penetration.
@Sooner Longbow if I need anything hotter than my 1300+ fps, 180 gr JHP from my 10mm I'll get my 44 mag out of the safe. I've got hand loads that are pushing 240 JHP's at 1800 fps at a grain or so under maximum load. But I believe the 10mm will handle any reasonable requirement for EDC. The 44 mag is a lot harder to EDC with the long barrel. But now if we're talking hunting only the 44 mag has always got the job done.
@The Darkness Came Since the 500SW had been available some guys in Alaska put their 44mags away, yet a lot of guys, I understand carry the 10mm as well. I suppose you cover all bases in Alaska with the 500SW, 10mm and a 45/70 lever action. Grizzlies and vagrant thugs beware!
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess You can shoot powerful rounds or just reduced recoil loads. Thats versatile. You can't do that in a semi auto. In a firefigt lets say self defend scenario, if you need more than 3 or 4 shoots I guess you'll be better served with an assault rifle.
This is an outstanding demonstration of slo-mo and how much damage can be inflicted with a big caliber handgun. I know this is 9-10 months ago and I just watched it, but it’s still as educational and entertaining as the first day it was posted.
I disagree. Your suggestion would essentially be this same test in reverse. I believe the best comparison of these two hot rounds would be .357 125 grain (same as here) vs 10mm 155 grain. Biggest problem these days would be finding a decent 155 gr loading for the 10mm. It's really a shame but the .40 S&W essentially killed the 10mm because so many people can't handle the longer grip length in the latter caliber. For many years 10mm was my go-to round, but I don't reload and factory ammo choices got fewer and way more expensive to shoot; and if you can't practice you can't hit
Underwood ammo is the shiiiiznit, stupid fast in 9x25 Dillon and doesn't even flatten the primers. Price isn't even crazy high (or wasn't before this recent insanity)
@@marcialdospuforini1197 I think they are referring to the amount of energy generated by each round but in my experiences they are about equal in terms of effectiveness just depends if u rather carry a revolver or an auto loader really
@@VroomNBoom Actually he didn't. Go back and check your facts, the most most common (and original) loading for the .357 magnum is a 158 grain bullet. So he was shooting the "most common" loading for the 10mm (but not the best performing) against the best performing .357 load. The comparable load for a 10mm would use a 155 or 165 grain bullet, that's where you'll see it's best potential for the same type of explosive expansion
The .357 Magnum 125 grain HP is the man stopper that all other defensive rounds are compared to. It was dubbed, “The King Of The Street “ for a reason back in the 1970’s.
I'm a .357 guy. I have a Smith 66-2 that is smooth like buttah. But I'd really like to see what the 10 does without that hat. Pretty good indention from it, and I think that weight on top might've held it together a bit. Dadgum that was fun!
I agree with the comments that the 357 hit the clay high. Obviously they both did considerable, impressive, damage. But, shot placement might explain the different effect on the clay.
I have a 10mm, but this video is a great demo of why my carry gun is a .357 taurus 605 poly protect. This damage plus being able to also scale down to .38+p when I want a lighter load. The magnum I carry when hunting in case of bears or wolves, the +p for around town when 2 legged predators are a concern. One gun, twice the versatility.
@@johnholbrook6042 not universal across all 10mm guns, whereas all 357 revolvers and even lever guns will run 38s. true universal compatibility, not "some 10s run 40 OK most of the time" which is the case with 40 and 10. Don't get me wrong I like 10 and 40, but until it's universal, I will stick to my 357 and 38.
10mm generally has more muzzle energy but 357 mag generally has higher velocity. Personally I prefer 10mm but both are extremely effective pistol calibers.
@@boomerisadog3899 No. The .357 generally has more muzzle energy when they have the same barrel length. When it come to incapacitation, short of a rifle, they do not get more effective.
If I was going with a revolver, I’d go .44 mag. I know that .357 mag can be more powerful than 10mm, but I don’t know if it’s close enough to justify cutting your capacity in half. With .44 mag, there might be some justification when weighing power vs capacity depending on what you plan on doing with the given gun.
Are those the 180 gr. bonded JHP by underwood? I get those and the extreme defenders / pentrators/ hunters. 100gr, 140 gr, and 150 gr respectively for the 'ole glock 20
@@juanpablosaenzcastaneda4643 10mm solids are carried up here in AK for moose and bear protection pretty readily. More so than the .357. Not saying the .357 is weak, but ya get more rounds with a 10mm, and generally a bit better energy.
@@FUW-guy Why not just go for the 500SW at that point...LOL! What a massive jump just the 454 is to the 44mag! Almost twice the energy, 900ft-lbs vs 1,700ft-lbs, never mind 2,300ft-lbs for the 500SW! I have talked to guys online from Alaska that have replaced their 44’s with 500’s though. That along with 10mm’s and 45/70 lever actions. That’s the armed to the teeth Alaska bushman!
I'd love to see the underwood 135 grain 10mm. 1600 fps, and 767 ft lbs. I think this would go radically different. The speed of the 125 gr .357 vs the what was it? 180/185 gr 10mm is pretty profound. Underwood calls their 135 gr their "funky little hand grenade". Seeing that on clay would be a trip.
Shot a groundhog head on with one out of a commander 1911..did not die quickly. Really glad it wasn't a pissed off bear! I'm looking at the 165gr bonded now rated at 1400fps.
The 357 is the most versatile hand gun there . Well I'm not up on all the new polymer guns but for many years it held that title . I got rid of my Taurus model 627 cause it would lock up occasionally between rounds . So I got a rugar GP 100 w/ 6 in barrel . Now I'm happy !
10mm is great because you have more rounds in the magazine, as opposed to six in a revolver. That being said, of you can't solve the problem with six rounds of .357 magnum, then you have bigger issues than any handgun is capable of, and you need a rifle.
I have both .357 S&W 6 inch 7 round and two glock 10mm and I love them both They both have the "ONE BULLET STOPPING POWER" effect and both are very accurate Subbed............Regards, POPS
I'm also an admirer of John Moses Browning and his timeless masterpiece, the 1911...in .45ACP, .38 Super Auto, or converted to 9x19 or .22LR. Versatile weapon, the 1911.
@Edmondson Avenue The factory 45 Colt + P Ammo is well beyond the 357 Magnum and 10MM Auto are in terms of power. The muzzle energy and velocities are very similar to the 44 Remington Magnum.
When I carried my 357 Magnum, I always had 158 grain semi-jacketed hollow points in it. Back then we only had about 3 different ammo makers to choose from, Winchester, Remington, and Federal. I preferred the Winchester Super X and Remington Peters over the Federal ammo. The Super X 158 grain SJHP really packed a wallop when it hit even at a distance.
10mm was a more direct hit. .357 was up high, just a bit, which made it look more powerful. The 357 had a lot of clay left at the base whereas the 10mm had less. I wonder which caliber made the clay block weight less.
Two of my favorites,but in the end I'm a 10mm guy. Versatility is plain awesome in that platform. And it can be loaded up or down depending on the need. What I would love to see is a comparison of 10mm ammunition ex: civil liberty 60grn verses,a middleweight and then a heavy 180 or 200 trainer. Clay blocks ballistic gel etc. Maybe you have done that already?
Ditto, 10mm fan myself said basically the same thing. 357 a great round for almost 90 years probably shot my dad's S&W model 28 Highway Patrolman probably 1000 times. Now I like my Colt Delta Gold Cup 10mm big carry weapon though. Had since 90 wasn't many choices for 10mm then, thankfully larger selection now.
Great video sir-nice work. This was a very interesting test. I have a Ruger SP 100 357 mag and I also have the exact Springfield XDm 10mm you used in the test. True enough the 357 appears to do more damage. BUT….with the 10mm XDm you have 16 shots in the mag and 1 in the pipe. 17 shots with a 10mm in a gun fight is a ton of fire power with hot 10mm Underwood loads. I have been able to exceed (by 50fps) the Underwood 10mm 155gr XTP’s going 1,550 fps at almost 800ft-lbs of energy. 17 shots with that kind of power is amazing. The 10mm gets my vote.
