40k Legions Tier list 

"ferrus manus is so hideous, they call him the gorgon!" every artwork of ferrus: some dude. he has a sever case of "hollywood ugly"

Putting Blood Angels in D tier is absolute Horus behaviour

The funny thing about the Alpha Legion, is that they are already pretty well defined in some books: Since they never went to the eye of terror and just scattered, now you have a HUGE bunch of fragmented Alpha Legion cells that have cut contact with each other. They still keep the Spy/Secret Agent shenanigans, but every single cell has a different opinion on the matter of loyalty, what to do and what to think. Most of the Heresy era Alpha Legion are dead or missing, so the words of Alpharius and Omegon have been lost to time. One thing the whole Alpha Legion agrees on, is utilitarianism. If you're useful to their cause, the Alpha Legion will make use of you. Doesn't matter if you're a human, a mutant, a daemon or a Xenos, there is a place for you in one cell of the Alpha Legion. So much so that some cells of the Alpha Legion aren't even composed of gene-sons of Alpharius/Omegon, instead having very capable members of other legions that dawn the turquoise armor and the symbol of the hydra. Some of them are Loyalist and are looking for both probing for weaknesses in the Imperium, or finding their Primarch. Others are traitors, and wish to take over the remaining cells and reform the legion under its own banner. Some are just chaos cultists. Others just wish to be left alone and isolated. The Alpha Legion are basically like the Fallen, but way more numerous and with way more connections.

Kharne is the single best representation of the world eaters. From the coolest head in a legion of literal dogs for the emperor, to an utterly broken champion of Khorne, and so beloved to the Blood God that a mountain of skulls purely collected by Kharne is next to him.

Timestamps for Each Legion: 0:56 - Dark Angels | I 3:17 - Emperor's Children | III 5:31 - Iron Warriors | IV 8:08 - White Scars | V 10:58 - Space Wolves | VI 16:25 - Imperial Fists | VII 19:22 - Night Lords | VIII 23:22 - Blood Angels | IX 30:17 - Iron Hands | X 34:54 - World Eaters | XII 40:13 - Ultramarines | XIII 44:56 - Death Guard | XIV 47:27 - Thousand Sons | XV 50:32 - Black Legion (Sons of Horus) | XVI 52:48 - Word Bearers | XVII 54:00 - Salamanders | XVIII 57:44 - Raven Guard | XIX 1:00:46 - Alpha Legion | XX 1:12:10 - Final Rankings

Iron Warriors are below the Imperial fists? that's going in the book.

I feel like Alpha Legion is too mythologised, because there's so little known about them. On the one hand, the mythology is amazing. BUT it could all be bullshit.

I am surprised he gave Iron Hands such a high ranking, usually people do not like the Hands very much.

Man, Bones just keeps getting more and more based with every upload - first he stans the Votann, and now he correctly points out how boiling down Slaneesh to simply "haha, horny" is ruining the whole shtick of them. Cool stuff. With Alpha, I tend to view "main branch" (Omegan (or maybe Alpharius)) as loyal, but that there are also chaos war bands that didn't get the memo and are now lost in the sauce

Iron Warriors better be at A or S Tier

Normally I hate tier list videos. But THIS has been a GENUINELY fun and enjoyable tier list video. I found myself laughing out loud and some of the remarks of your less than favorite legions. Fun times! I wish I would've caught this live now, lol!

As a word bearers fan i have to agree my legion is highly unlikeable. But they do have a teeny bit of depth to them and likeable characters like Argel Tal and Elpihas the Inheritor. Dawn of War and Gothic Fleet Armada certainly contributed to my opinion of them.

Day 4 of asking for a video on your twin primarchs theory

14:33 I guess the space wolves got that dawg in them

I haven't gotten around to reading Salamanders books, but from entirely what you've said about the writing, the writers probably just need to draw from irl people who do insane shit to save others - case in point: Jack Pritchard of the New York City fire department. The nature of sacrifice that the Salamanders seem to have, giving their all to make sure people get out alive seems to be poorly understood by the writers (again, going off only the books' reputation).

As a Salamanders, iron hands , and technically white scars player I am pretty satisfied with this listing. Word bearers at F , based

I enjoyed emperor's children in the Fabius and black legion books. Not my absolute favorites but they've got so many cool concepts going that I'm just waiting to be sold on them by a good book and range refresh

for world eaters you forgot Lorke, master of the legion and his psycher friends that were kinda outcasts in after istvaan 5 among traitor WE. yet they still tried to stop angron from becoming a demon and they almost killed lorgar. they were the only traitor we that actually cared about their legio after istvaan 3

Bones have you read the Word Bearers Omnibus? It was the first 40k series I read start to finish. Was super metal.

From what I've found reading the AL stuff, Syndri being a warp dust huffing might as well be black legion chaos worshiper, and the AL being double agents thing are both true. They WERE the secretly loyalists at the end of the heresy and a lot of them still hold that belief, being agents to cut out weakness in the imperium, but just as many have gotten lost in the lie, or fully fallen willingly. And due to the big battle vs the ultramarines where Alpharius dissappeared the legion is fragmented into these different warbands and cells, The many heads of the hydra are now pulling in every which way.

Iron worrios and imperial fist both in A+ is perfect

Watching this but omitting the idea that there's a chat is so funny, imagining him just talking to himself like he's having a schizophrenic break

Blood Angels encapsulate the duality of the Spirit of mankind unbridled savagery and true Nobility and what generational trauma can do, and despite all of this, they overcome through sheer will and tenacity and its why i love them.

I find it very amusing that your final conundrum was determining if you like Alpha Legion more or less than White Scars, as they are my top two favorite original legions. Alpha Legion with all their schemes are not perfect, and as you pointed out while some may still be loyal double agents, a lot of them are very chaos corrupted, but the fact of that mystery of what they are doing and where their true loyalties lie is what drew me to them. The speculation and theorizing that comes from it is just fun to me (plus I absolutely LOVE their color scheme and their heresy scale plate armors). The White Scars are, while not the nicest marines (that is canonically the salamanders) they are by far one of the most humble. Its so much so the case that they are often forgotten in the lore by those that know of the different legions and chapters because they just don't chase glory and fame in the slightest where most marine legions/chapters would. They fight because it is their duty and because it is their honor. I can understand you disliking Thousand Sons because they aren't in my top five so much because of their lore as space marines and their characters, but because of their ties to Tzeentch (my favorite chaos god!) and their want for arcane knowledge and psychic power. (plus blue and teal are my favorite colors, and their shade of blue is somewhere between both) They are also the models I started collecting with because I felt I'd enjoy playing the mage army in the game! The Blood Angels are probably more so held up by my love of the Lamenters (as they are my favorite successor chapter), but from what I've seen and read I do enjoy them a fair bit on their own too.

Corvus Corax (Birdy McBirdface) I imagine looks and sounds exactly like Nathan Explosion from Metalocalypse. Every book he's in, I can't not see Nathan Explosion every time he talks.

I like the black legion because they embody chaos undivided. They’re also the most versatile warband and I think they look bad ass. When new bikers come out I will make my own chaos version of the raven wing with only bikers and demon engines. There lore will be they’re mercenaries who work for abandon and there paint scheme will be the same but with red and teal/turquoise scales (like the alpha legion kindv)

I like how your favorite and least favorite legion is traitors

Finally, someone puts Blood Angels in their proper place

46:48 "Uhh, that being said, Mortarion sucks. Mortarion sucks; He's the worst primarch." Angron: **exists**

The absolutely best book for lifting the veil of what the modern Alpha Legion is, is Harrowmaster. I don't think it was that great a read, but it's entire reason for being is exactly to de-mythologise them and explain how they work in modern post-Cadia 40k. An Alpha Legion oriented book I like way more is Shadow of Night, which follows a warband of Heresy-era AL legionaries infiltrating a hive city under siege and meeting primaris marines for the first time.

After reading the Black Legion omnibus, seeing the Sons of Horus be represented by the Black Legion feels kinda cursed, tbh.

Magnus did nothing wrong! 😭

Alpha Legion are the best. Hands down. Alpharius was so in love with his subtlety, that he didn't realize when he had to be straightforward. They are loyalists, but so full of themselves that they believe that they can use chaos as a weapon. Never realizing, that they are enslaved by it.

Small nitpick the Sons of Antaeus are from the Cursed Founding not the Ultima Founding, Cawl might had had something to do with them (it wouldn't surprise me if that's the case) but as far I know the Mechanicus might had used traitor gene-seed there without his intervention.

"I'm not gonna skip the books or read excerpts on reddit, I'm actually gonna read the books". Aight you earned a sub my dude. Looking forward to that Siege of Terra video, I'm currently reading it too since the last book just dropped!

Iron Warriors easy S tier because of Barabas Dantioch

It’s very nice seeing the shattered legions side by side as intended 🔥🐦‍⬛⚙️

The Blood Angels and the Salamanders are my favorite loyalist Astartes Legions. Their Primarchs are also my favorite. Magnus is my favorite Traitor Primarch. Fabius Bile is my favorite fantasy atheist second only to the Emperor. Based af lol

There are only 2 Tiers: Flesh and Iron All legions are Flesh except for the Iron Hands, they are Iron.

I came to see imperial fist ranking i am satisfied

Night Lords are the embodiment to 40K's founding crazy-08s energy.

So on the black legion front first time i read about abbadon was in high school in the night lords book and always thought if him as a jobber this shows up in alot of csm books from bile to a buncha others I really didn't change my mind till the black legion books and ironicly chrono's video on saturnine The lunar wolves were a rambunctious working class family who do not know how to help their loving father who got addicted to opiates after a work related accident Also blood angels deserve better dante is the greatest therapist on 40k rafen's book series got me into 40k Also their short stories are incredible and if we want the most bat shit book universe series read the dark coil with the angels resplendent/ penitent

im just glad raven guard are in a good tier

Weirdmank. Spacewolves F Tier. I hate him on par with :Lucious and that's as a devotee of Slaanesh

Thousand son player here. Agreed with thousand son D tier. They are just not warriors and magnus is just a bad leader. A great scholar is not enought. The thousand son needed a proper general. They could have been the most powerfull legion. Period. They just Weren't because of magnus leadership. But i think you are wrong on esthetics and culture. Prospero and egyptian look are great and make sense when you read the books, with psyker glyph, meditation with the pearl necklace and ward saves. The tragedy of the thousand son is even better because of prospero and how kind and great are its people. And how the thousand sons were very humane as a legion compared to how bitter twisted and ambitious they have become in 40k. That is why i play them and also to be annoying and say : all according to plan.

You spoke to my soul about the blood angels.

Mr Bones putting the Space Wolves as high as C Tier is wild from how he has talked about Space Wolves. Then putting Imperial Fists in A Tier. Wild.

"Serbia errrr Siberia" got me so good

In lieu of being said super lore nerd. The fact that he didn't put the white scars in S tier or at the least A tier has deeply offended me and I will now never watch mr bones again. Good day sir.

This stream was a ton of fun im hyped get to see it again!

Now give us a Primarch tier list. DO IT!

Before watching and not having read nearly enough books about 40k to have a valid or accurate opinion. Strength wise: S: Ultramarines - obv #1 with their numbers and Guilliman A: Dark Angels - #1/clear S tier in 30k, now with Lion maybe S tier? Iron Warriors - They seem to be doing very well, they could also be S tier, I just think the Ultramarines are S tier alone, I might be wrong. Sons of Horus / Black Legion - ugh, perhaps should be S tier.. Word Bearers Death Guard - not sure if A or B tier B: Alpha Legion - is Omegon actually dead, are they actually united... World Eaters Emperors Children - I haven't read enough about them Space Wolves C: Blood Angels - alright let me speak, I love the Blood Angels, but after the Devastation of Baal, they are pretty shattered, even with the primaris. D tier? Thousand Sons Night Lords White Scars D: Imperial Fists - post heresy has been tough. Salamanders F: Iron Hands... Perhaps D tier? F tier may be too harsh Raven Guard I really need to read more 40k books, just got done with most of the heresy, have only read 10-15 ish books and a ton of YT videos from 40k timeline.

I'm sure you have a huge list of books to read already, but I can't recommend the ADB Ragnar Blackmane novel enough. It's a brilliant examination of the idea of honor in Astartes culture, with great showings from the Flesh Tearers and Dark Angels as well. Ragnar really epitomizes the best and worst of the Wolves in this one, it's worth checking out.

Your honor, blood is cooler than wolves and has more synonyms, so it's okay to name everything after it

The Alpha Legion wants you to put them in the F tier. That means their cover is intact.

Your favorite characters in the whole setting aren't Guardsmen Sly Marbo and Andre from Armaggeddon? "INQUISITOR I FOUND THE HERETIC!!! " 🔥☠️🤣😂🤣

I don't know if you clarified this as your favourites. I'm reading it that way, this is far to scuffed to talk abouy objectively best legions.

Alpha Legion isn't infallible. If anything they were beaten at their own game by the Cabal, who basically tricked Alpharius into siding with Horus, convincing him that by destroying the imperium they would destroy chaos. Because in his arrogance, thinking he was so shit eatingly smart, Alpharius thought he knew what the emperor intended. I think during the Heresy, Alpharius and Omegon were divided and while Alpharius was committed to helping Horus based on those motivations, Omegon was sabotaging those efforts behind the scenes. Alpha legion's strength became its undoing. Nobody in the legion understood their primarch's intentions and because of this, most of the legion genuinely fell to chaos during the heresy. So after the heresy, even with Alpharius dead and Omegon still nominally loyal, there was no going back. Omegon (if his death at the hands of Gulliman was faked) might be playing puppeteer behind the scenes to prop up the imperium, but he's doing it with a heavily fractured legion that is 90% converted to true Chaos Space Marines. And he's basically a dead man if he shows his face. I think they're an entertaining faction not because they're flawless, but because they're deeply flawed in interesting ways.

All this tier lists are wrong: S for sanguinuis: Blood angels L for the lion, Lupercal and leman: space wolves, Luna wolves and the dark angels V for Vulkan: salamanders A for Alpharius, Angron: alpha legion and world eaters B for Perturbao: iron warriors C for Corax and Conrad: Raven guard and the night lords D for Dorn: imperial fists F for Fulgrim and Ferus: Emperor’s children and iron hands G for Guilliman: ultra marines J for Jaghatai: white scars M for mortarion and magnus: death guard and the thousand sons -L for lorgar and the word bearers because FUCK them.

I know after 5 months nobody reads the coments, but I want ro say thank you. Im searching for a fraction that suits me. I thought about the Imperial Fists you know saving and defending Mankind. But now I'm more White Scars for letting there soldiers being more than just soldiers, giving tham a privat life a hobby etc

Ave Dominus Nox brothers

I'm 4 months late, but Emperor's Children was underrated. I didn't even hear a mention of the Noise Marines.

Can you do a video on the minotaurs their chapter master is a major badass

What's the new night lords book? And what are some lamenter books

Reason why you hate word bearers is why I love them. So respect

Pained by the placements of most of my favourite legions

I feel like the thousand sons are a lot like the star wars prequels; an epic idea that suffered from sub par writing

Night Lords are just that faction that most people universally love

The White Scars are real simple: they're a motorcycle gang. That's all. Space Marines with motorcycles. Oh, and they're loyalist. Now you know everything you need to know about the White Scars.

So the Blood Raven are a saved chapter of the Alpha Legion!? Interesting.

The night lords having “chimp” energy is fucking hilarious 😂

Iron Hands are S tier.

10:35 that was a happy little laugh, I loved it

If 16th isn’t S tier then no one is. Black Legion however is F for being double traitors.

I'm with the Blood Angels dude... putting Thousand Sons in D-tier is the kind of shit that calls magnus through the warp and into your living room. Big E behaviour.

Sigismund was the cornerman in the honour fight in the Rogal Dorn book

That one dudes absolutely right about the blood Angels. They cry so much about the red thirst and black rage the tears should float them to the C spot 💯 😅😅

You should read up on the Revenant Legion. They might be more interesting to you.

1st legion comes first. They are the progenitors, they are the ones trusted with forbidden weaponry and they were the first to be called the angels of death. The Emperor's executioners. However, the traitors that chose not to give into chaos have balls of solid rock! \m/

If the Imperial Fists aren’t S or A tier, I will aggressively fortify my comment in anger. Edit: LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOO

Legions list? Ok. Primarchs list more better!! Lorgar a tool.

Iron Warriors are A or S tier hands down! They are peak traitor while not succumbing to Chaos and being boring. They carried the Siege of Terra, extremely apathetic to the cares of others, tanks and artillery for days, one of the best Primarchs(even though he's almost as whiny and petulant as Lorgar or Fulgrim). They really are a top tier legion of all 18 legions. Night Lords I feel are overrated, but have great lore to them. I completely agree that they have a charm to them with style, tactics, and ideology, but they just don't speak to me. A lot of their named members are cool, they just seem like boring pirates and serial killers and not genuinely interesting as a legion. Cool on their own, just dumb when all together. These guys are better when they're are as few of them in one location as possible.

51:10 The Red Corsairs also and they don't care if you are into chaos

So it seems like you've read a ton of 40k books or at least have a lot of knowledge about them. So far I've only read the Deathwatch books by Steve Parker and the Night Lords trilogy by ADB. The Deathwatch books were pretty fun, I liked the characters and the intrigue but oh man the Night Lords trilogy was just perfection, I'm afraid I'll never read another book or series that can stand up to it. I was wondering what your favorite 40k books were or if you had any good recommendations. The Night Lords are also my favorites (I also really like the Flesh Tearers and Raven Guard), but I'm just looking for a good read, any faction will do.

Very impressive, just how wrong a man can be.

Blood Angels at D is insane level of hating

Are you going to do other sub-factions tier lists (ork clans, guard regiments, etc.)

Night Lords 👌 My favorite crazies

With all due respect, you're the king of terrible taste.

My opinion: World Eaters, Death Guard, and Word Bearers at S Tier. Ultramarines, Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion, Night Lords and White Scars at A tier. Black Legion, Salamanders, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Thousand Suns, Dark Angels, Emperor's Children are C Tier Blood Angels, Imperial Fists, Space Wolves, are D tier and below for me

Iron warriors deserve F for the daemonculaba alone

The Alpha Legion are alreawy on every tier because all the other marines are just Alpharius disguising as other legions

Night lords fuckin suuuuuuuck

What’s the proper way to make a bologna sandwich?

23:22 - 30:17 SACRÉ BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOO

ILL GIVE YOU A LEGION TIER LIST BBY

Everyone hates the Minotaurs, glad to find someone else who likes them

As I expected, I really agree with some of your decisions and REALLY disagree with some of them.

I still think Imperial fists are A tier

Alpha Legion is S+ tier.